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Coinbase Ordered To Report 14,355 Users To the IRS (theverge.com)

Nearly a year after the case was initially filed, Coinbase has been ordered to turn over identifying records for all users who have bought, sold, sent, or received more than $20,000 through their accounts in a single year. The digital asset broker estimates that 14,355 users meet the government's requirements. The Verge reports: For each account, the company has been asked to provide the IRS with the user's name, birth date, address, and taxpayer ID, along with records of all account activity and any associated account statements. The result is both a definitive link to the user's identity and a comprehensive record of everything they've done with their Coinbase account, including other accounts to which they've sent money. The order is significantly narrower than the IRS's initial request, which asked for records on every single Coinbase user over the same period. That request would also have required all communications between Coinbase and the user, a measure the judge ultimately found unnecessarily comprehensive. The government made no claim of suspicion against individual users, but instead argued that the order was justified based on the discrepancy between Coinbase users and U.S. citizens reporting Bitcoin gains to the IRS.

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  1. S'all good man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They told me cryptocurrencies were anonymous :^)

  2. And the fatal flaw of Bitcoin becomes visible by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Make ONE association of a transaction to an individual, and then you have ALL transactions that individual has ever made, all recorded. It won't just be a single year that can be checked, it will be all years, from any source. The fatal flaw of blockchain is that all transactions are 100% traceable, and each transaction uses an identifer that is unque - and consistent - to a single user. Crack that association once - and it's cracked for all time, past, present and future. Cash is still anonymous ...

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    1. Re:And the fatal flaw of Bitcoin becomes visible by chispito · · Score: 5, Informative

      The fatal flaw of blockchain is that all transactions are 100% traceable

      The whole point of the blockchain is there is a public, verifiable ledger.

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    2. Re: And the fatal flaw of Bitcoin becomes visible by Time_Ngler · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nope. Whenever you send any money the entire amount gets sent and the change goes to a newly created address. It's impossible to tell which address is the change and which is the actual payment, because the order in the transaction is randomized.

    3. Re:And the fatal flaw of Bitcoin becomes visible by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cash may not be as anonymous as you think.

      Larger cash transactions will most certainly attract greater scrutiny.
      You're likely to be on multiple cameras during or en-route to / from the transaction.
      Your cell phone, when GPS is running, ( your knowledge or not ) is accurate to six digits past the decimal point.
      License plate scanners will know where you were at any given time if you drive.

      This list can go on and on and on.

      Point is, we can minimize it to the best of our ability, but what we do these days is far from anonymous.

      Bitcoin and all the crypto-currencies will skyrocket in value, right up to the point where the governments get serious about it and bring in the regulation hammers. It is at that point those investing in such things will learn what the term " risk " truly means.

    4. Re:And the fatal flaw of Bitcoin becomes visible by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

      Make ONE association of a transaction to an individual, and then you have ALL transactions that individual has ever made

      You can have as many 'wallets' as you want. Some people use a different wallet for every transaction (useful for giving a different address to each customer, and then you can tell which customer paid).

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    5. Re:And the fatal flaw of Bitcoin becomes visible by maztuhblastah · · Score: 4, Informative

      Coinbase user here:

      This should not be surprising to any user for two reasons:

      1) Most of the *coins* are not anonymous. Or rather, they're not private. The ledgers are public, which means that:

      2) You're only anonymous if you *never* do anything that connects to you. And as any Coinbase user knows, you have to supply a bunch of identifying and relatively-hard-to-fake info when you sign up. So as soon as you trade on their platform(s?) you are tying your coins to the info they have on you. If you don't want to give up your privacy in exchange for the services they provide, the time to bring out the pitchforks is during signup. After you give your SSN and/or gov. ID, you can't really feign shock and horror when they supply the info to the IRS just like they warned they might in their ToS. I mean, personally I'm cool with that since I do report my cap. gains to the IRS, but yeah, if you're dodging taxes I can see how this is terrible news. But the answer isn't "hate on Coinbase", it's "pay your damn taxes." Shit, cap. gains are a joke in the US anyways... it's not gonna eat into your mad Bitcoin profits that much to pay them... And if you think it is, read on:

      3) There are anonymous ways to cash out BTC (not so sure about ETH or LTC). You'll pay a fat premium for them though, and honestly I can't think of any reason to do so aside from strict adherence to libertarian philosophies or ill-gotten gains. Personally my cryptocurrency involvement has been strictly speculation and all above-board, so I'm already de-anonymized as soon as I buy the coins. But I'll grant you if you mine them the equation might be different... if you do, I can at least see the argument for keeping your identity anonymous, if only because anonymity is a nice thing to have in general.

      But yeah, no Coinbase user should be surprised by this. They all but come out and warn you that they'll report to your country's tax agency on demand during signup. You can't be pissed when they go and do just that!

  3. Re:The gig is up! by perpenso · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's the IRS, lol. Those miners about to be taxed, hope they didn't spend it all - they might need some of it + penalties.

    Unless they:
    - Recorded the closing bitcoin price on the day they received mining proceeds. (basis)
    - Recorded the sale price of the bitcoins on the day(s) they sold them. (gain/loss)
    - Recorded the power consumed during mining those coins and kept their power bill. (variable cost)
    - Kept receipts for the mining hardware and the watt meter. (fixed costs)
    - Reported the basis, gain/loss and expenses (costs) on their taxes.

    If they did this they might not have any problems. :-)

  4. Most of us do things legit by slashmydots · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I signed up for a Kraken and Gdax (aka Coinbase) account lately and between the two I needed a live pic of my license, pic of me holding my driver's license, my social, my full name, a scan of my license, a pic of me holding my signature, etc. They comply with the banking secrecy act or they get shut down (like Tradehill). So because I had to give them all this, I report all my income in Quickbooks at my company where I run 4 giant mining rigs. So don't just assume all of us are tax evaders as most of us are not.

    1. Re: Most of us do things legit by Reverend+Green · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thank you, Dr Pedant, for your learned and enlightening commentary.

  5. Re: and the IRS jail you for cheating on your taxe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought transactions that are "Paid-In-Kind" are exempt. Money for money should not be taxed.

    The IRS would argue that bitcoin is not money. It's no different than if you bought and sold gold coins for a monetary gain. You owe tax on the gains.

  6. Re:and the IRS jail you for cheating on your taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    and the IRS jail you for cheating on your taxes!

    That's no joke. The US Government considers cheating on taxes to be a very serious offense. In fact, the tough penalties for tax crimes are so well known that prosecutors sometimes elect to go after the tax charges, rather than other chargeable offenses, because the penalties are so much higher. There was a case in Las Vegas some years back where instead of busting a pimp for running prostitutes, which had a 2 year prison sentence, they prosecuted the guy for tax evasion because he didn't declare and pay taxes on his pimping income and he got 30 years for that instead. This wasn't an accident. The authorities didn't like the guy and wanted him off the streets, so they used the tax charges to put him away for a long time and didn't even bother with the pimping charges.