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Voyager 1 Fires Up Thrusters After 37 Years (nasa.gov)

If you tried to start a car that's been sitting in a garage for decades, you might not expect the engine to respond. But a set of thrusters aboard the Voyager 1 spacecraft successfully fired up Wednesday after 37 years without use. NASA announces: Voyager 1, NASA's farthest and fastest spacecraft, is the only human-made object in interstellar space, the environment between the stars. The spacecraft, which has been flying for 40 years, relies on small devices called thrusters to orient itself so it can communicate with Earth. These thrusters fire in tiny pulses, or "puffs," lasting mere milliseconds, to subtly rotate the spacecraft so that its antenna points at our planet. Now, the Voyager team is able to use a set of four backup thrusters, dormant since 1980. "With these thrusters that are still functional after 37 years without use, we will be able to extend the life of the Voyager 1 spacecraft by two to three years," said Suzanne Dodd, project manager for Voyager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California.

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  1. Now THAT is amazing by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That honestly boggles the mind to think of something built so long ago, sitting in the harsh environment of space still able to function that well - not to mention all of the other hardware working well enough to instruct the thrusters to fire. Well done.

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    1. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not even in our solar system any longer, having traversed the heliosphere of the solar wind into true interstellar space. Power from the nuclear thermal generator runs out in about 2020.

    2. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its why I opt for older models of stoves and fridges.

    3. Re:Now THAT is amazing by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, I agree it's amazing... but I'm not looking forward to when it eventually returns.

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    4. Re:Now THAT is amazing by guruevi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What's harsh about space other than it being relatively cold? Besides some solar radiation (which it's probably too far for anyway) there is nothing to interact with the systems, no molecules or fluctuations of radiation or physical pressure/stress that interact with it so it won't corrode or fatigue.

      Yes, it's amazing that it still works because the design was good. What's more amazing is that they didn't fuck up the data transmission to interact with the hardware/software on the system. You're talking about 50's and 60's era electronics and hand-made/hand-programmed stuff that's still working at rates like 40 bits per seconds with nibble-sized serial communications to the CPU, how many programmers still know how much a nibble is these days and how to craft a message using it on modern systems?

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    5. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That honestly boggles the mind to think of something built so long ago, sitting in the harsh environment of space still able to function that well - not to mention all of the other hardware working well enough to instruct the thrusters to fire. Well done.

      Back when shit was built in the United States by Americans. Source: family member was project manager for Voyager II.

    6. Re:Now THAT is amazing by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 0

      Sorry, the really is obligatory:
      https://xkcd.com/1189/
      And this from 2014:
      https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ezvpvj/voyager-maybe-didnt-leave-the-solar-system-yet-again-again-again
      But I like Munroe's take better.
      And I get the feeling that they may pronounce the thing dead a few times too...
      We may someday get a Pythonesque "I'm not dead yet" from this interesting little device we tossed into the sky...

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    7. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

      Thruster's? Merely by using that phallocratic word you are literally raping 35 billion people.

      P.S, you should, change you're password more often - sign'd AmiMoJo)

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    8. Re:Now THAT is amazing by aix+tom · · Score: 3, Funny

      I only believe it has left "our backyard" when we get a ticket for flying a vehicle without a license in public interstellar space.

    9. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Informative

      To deliver the ticket would mean someone would have to violate the interstellar quarantine symbol - rings around the second gas giant.

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    10. Re:Now THAT is amazing by nmb3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's harsh about space other than it being relatively cold?

      What comes to mind:

      A temperature of minus 455 degrees Fahrenheit (only about 5 degrees above absolute zero). Many materials and electrical components do not behave or age the same when subjected to decades of extreme temperatures and it wouldn't be a surprise at all to find some materials slowly getting brittle or changing shape or thermal or electrical conduction.

      Radiation. A complete lack of protection from a planet's magnetic field or atmosphere means every single gamma ray heading the right direction hits it, hence the shielding and hardened components used to build the satellites. Maybe this drops off as it moves away from the sun, but we really don't know what the nature of space beyond the sun's immediate influence looks like.

      Heat dissipation. No atmosphere means there is no convection so all heat must be dissipated via radiation emissions, which can be very slow. This means if you have hot spots in your electronics or the RTG power system without proper heat sinks, it can build up to a thermal failure.

      And in space, no one can hear you scream.

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    11. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its why I opt for older models of stoves and fridges.

      And then you look at your utility bill.

    12. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America's arrogance is why it's becoming less important every day.

    13. Re: Now THAT is amazing by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

      Funny that. I just had a conversation with my brother that my 30 year old maytag is still humming. He said don't get rid of it, his experience has been newer models last only 5 or 6 years.

    14. Re:Now THAT is amazing by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's not the second gas giant that's the reason they're avoiding us. It's the rings around Uranus.

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    15. Re:Now THAT is amazing by sandbagger · · Score: 1

      Can we redefine the solar system so it can leave it one last time?

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    16. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For these thrusters (which I think are Aerojet 0.2-lb monoprop, MR-103 series), there's nothing to degrade from mere age or vacuum, and the environmental thermal cycling is negligible. So it is not that surprising that they still work. Using them is another story, and pulsing certainly does degrade them (eventually - hundreds of thousands of pulses).

            It's not terribly unusual to switch to redundant equipment after decades and have it work. Essentially we rely on that working, and I have seen many examples of it working perfectly well. Vacuum is a very good storage medium for anything that does not outgas. Radiation degrades solid-state electronics and power supply components (particularly high-voltage components) are somewhat prone to degrading from age or outgassing. Longest I have personally been involved with is a prime flight computer that was believed to have failed on the day after the launch that was turned on 32 years later as a final test, and that worked fine for at least a few hours. But other components were switched to (of necessity) after ~20 years fired right up and worked fine, showing the same parameters as the day we turned it off.

    17. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Scarletdown · · Score: 2, Funny

      2620 can't come soon enough.

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    18. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Dorianny · · Score: 1

      Because space is mostly vacuum heat-exchange does not happen the way that it does in a atom-filled environment such as earth. A unheated object will get colder and colder slowly because of black-body radiation but as it does the radiation emitted becomes less and less which means that it takes a very long time to cool down and even the small amount of heat generated by the plutonium radioactive decay is enough to keep the craft well above CMB temperature

    19. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arrogance certainly is not what's doing it. Try again.

    20. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arrogance defines the soul of America since its inception.

    21. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's nothing. Your 60 yours old mother is still humming. I can feel her now. Now. Now! NNOOWWWW!!!!!

      OK, that's better.

    22. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      retard

    23. Re:Now THAT is amazing by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Hopefully someone will find a time machine to go back to when humans were technology advanced.

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    24. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When timed right, rigor mortis certainly enhances the experience. Close the body bag when you're done. We're trying to figure out if it's her or you that stinks so bad.

    25. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not arrogance if you really are better than the others. The number one reason the US pisses everyone off is it's total lack of empathy for non-US entities. If everyone would focus on their own well being instead of expecting the US to solve all their problems while also serving as the scapegoat for the failures of others. It's about time to re-shuffle the deck of international order. The current generation,especially in Europe, have never known a time when their national security was not guaranteed by the US. And national security is the bedrock of a country's economy. They blithely compare the US to Russia, China, Iran, or NK but have never looked at a future when they would have to deal with these countries by themselves.

    26. Re:Now THAT is amazing by gumbi+west · · Score: 3, Informative

      The radiation is mostly cosmic and, if you've ever priced a chip that is hardened for space travel, you'll know it isn't a minor price difference. It's nasty.

    27. Re:Now THAT is amazing by noelhenson · · Score: 1

      Really? Just cold space is, is it? Do you even know what Voyager went through on its way through the solar system? That probe was designed by the best of the best for just a dozen or so years of life expectancy. It has been through huge magnetic fields, radiation, dust, the heliopause and many other things. These designers really knew what they were doing. Oh, and it's still running on its original power source. How cool is that?!

    28. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll bet they sent the instructions with a Model M

    29. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have nothing against arrogance except when it's unearned.

    30. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG!

      You mean to tell me that my 6 year old fridge, the one that saved me $30.- a month in electricity bills due to it's efficiency, is about to DIE?

      Your brother is full of crap.

    31. Re:Now THAT is amazing by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What's harsh about space other than it being relatively cold?

      That is much like saying what's harsh about the inside of the sun other than it being relatively hot. Or what's harsh about the surface of venus other than it rains sulphuric acid.

      Electronics lasting 30+ years at only a fraction of a temperature above absolute zero, a point where molecules themselves stop moving completely is amazing. Physical stress isn't the only killer of equipment. The amazing part isn't the programming but those 50s and 60s era electronics still ticking along. I don't have anything from the 50s or 60s anymore that I haven't had to repair. Even back then electronics used chemically reactive components capable of drying out or physically changing, and I'm sure none of it would do so well submerged in liquid nitrogen either.

      That just reminded me something. Liquid nitrogen is very effective at converting heat. Electronics in space typically undergo immense stress as there's no convection possible. They gradually cool to incredibly cold temperatures and then when they fire up have to rely on only radiation to dissipate heat. It's counter intuitive but if your simple design has a heatsink to run here on 25C earth then it will instantly overheat in the -270C space. milliwatts cause stress.

    32. Re:Now THAT is amazing by ckatko · · Score: 3, Funny

      >but we really don't know what the nature of space beyond the sun's immediate influence looks like.

      If only we could construct some sort of vehicle that could traverse space and send back signals...

    33. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we redefine the solar system so it can leave it one last time?

      22 times are not enough?

    34. Re:Now THAT is amazing by hackertourist · · Score: 0

      You mean, back when shit was built to last against the expressed wishes of the beancounters-in-charge who only wanted the probe to last long enough for the 4 planetary encounters.

      Detroit showed us that "built in the United States by Americans" is not an indicator of quality.

    35. Re:Now THAT is amazing by hackertourist · · Score: 2

      There's nothing to degrade on the thrusters themselves, but the valves that feed them are mechanical items and potentially subject to cold welding and other means of getting stuck. There have been thruster failures in deep-space missions.

    36. Re:Now THAT is amazing by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      That's what I was thinking.

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    37. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Harsh environment of space? Well I suppose so up to a point. What kills car engines is rust, due to oxydation. At near perfect vacuum, close to absolute zero, nothing much will happen to that rocket engine though. The most likely thing to wear out the engine is the engine itself.

    38. Re:Now THAT is amazing by kaizendojo · · Score: 1

      Wrong V'ger. You have 5 more to wait through.

    39. Re:Now THAT is amazing by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      For these thrusters (which I think are Aerojet 0.2-lb monoprop, MR-103 series),

      I'm curious (and know nothing about the subject). How do the thrusters work? Is there a fuel and a valve that has to open to release the fuel? Is the valve moved electrically? Is there some kind of spark plug that has to ignite the fuel? For thrust lasting a millisecond - isn't it enough just have a compressed gas container and release a bit of the gas without actually igniting it?

    40. Re: Now THAT is amazing by nintendoeats · · Score: 1

      I don't get this about stoves. I have this conversation with people fairly frequently, where they talk about replacing a stove or electric heating system because it's inefficient. "No balls it's inefficient, that's how a heating element works" or something to that effect. I don't see how a 50-year-old appliance which serves no purpose other than generating heat can cost more to run than a brand new one.

      Obviously this doesn't apply to fridges.

    41. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PS: Learn to spell, retard. Even creimer knows you don't pluralize with an apostrophe and he knows the difference between your and you're.

    42. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are a fucking idiot

    43. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad it couldn't rescue your keyboard's apostrophe key from not knowing the difference between its and IT IS.

    44. Re:Now THAT is amazing by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Shut up, meatbag!

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    45. Re:Now THAT is amazing by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Never mind V'ger, I'm more afraid of V-GINY!

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    46. Re:Now THAT is amazing by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Try the new Pringles Space, hardened for space travel!

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    47. Re:Now THAT is amazing by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      These designers really knew what they were doing. Oh, and it's still running on its original power source. How cool is that?!

      About 2.7 Kelvin according to wikipedia.

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    48. Re:Now THAT is amazing by gumbi+west · · Score: 1

      Yeah, those are nasty too

    49. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they're called cold gas thrusters

    50. Re:Now THAT is amazing by careysub · · Score: 1

      What's harsh about space other than it being relatively cold?

      What comes to mind:

      A temperature of minus 455 degrees Fahrenheit (only about 5 degrees above absolute zero). Many materials and electrical components do not behave or age the same when subjected to decades of extreme temperatures and it wouldn't be a surprise at all to find some materials slowly getting brittle or changing shape or thermal or electrical conduction.

      ...

      Heat dissipation. No atmosphere means there is no convection so all heat must be dissipated via radiation emissions, which can be very slow. This means if you have hot spots in your electronics or the RTG power system without proper heat sinks, it can build up to a thermal failure.

      And in space, no one can hear you scream.

      It is pretty cold out there. The mean temperature for matter in interstellar space is 3.2 K, which is the Cosmic Microwave Background of 2.7 K plus 0.5 K because of integrated starlight. But by far the major amount of heating Voyager gets its from its 3 RTGs mounted on a short boom that together still put out 4.5 kw of heat. Currently 249 watts of electrical power are available to run Voyager, a lot of that is used for electrical heaters (the transmitter is just 22.4 watts). I did a bit of Googling trying to find what the temperatures on Voyager itself likely are, but did not find much. I did find that in 2012 the electrical heater on the UV and IR spectrometers was cut-off and the temperature dropped to -79 C.

      But all of the thermal effects were modeled and analyzed with care when the craft was designed so hot spots should not be a problem anywhere.

      Radiation. A complete lack of protection from a planet's magnetic field or atmosphere means every single gamma ray heading the right direction hits it, hence the shielding and hardened components used to build the satellites. Maybe this drops off as it moves away from the sun, but we really don't know what the nature of space beyond the sun's immediate influence looks like.

      We have a pretty good idea what the nature of space beyond the sun's immediate influence looks like. But collecting actual data on it is another thing than simply having a "pretty good idea".

      The major radiation problem Voyager faced was not too long after launch when it went through Jupiter's radiation belts and encountered many times the radiation that would have been lethal to humans (hundreds of Sv). The radiation from galactic cosmic rays (not gamma rays) is about 340 uSv per day, or about 5 Sv over the last 40 years. So the significant radiation hazards would have been encountered for a few hours, 38 years ago.

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    51. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right *Literally*

    52. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly neither of you know anything. Obviously the heat exchange from the thrusters would have billowed to negative 3.2 million Kelvin while still within the influence of the outer celestal bodys' radiation fields (at the edge of the Solar System). This would have polarized the poles of the polar regions exstretching from the asteroidal space hemorrhoid which exists within the moon of Uranus, turning it into a black hole. The convectional nebula that results activates the temperature dissolving feature of Voyager 1 which is plainly undissolved with some simple quantum math and vinegar. This will thereotically produce 3 or 4 alternate galaxies in the blink of an eye, which would be felt fleetingly in all Earthbound humans' earlobes as a slightly ticklish vibration. Therefore the same time traveling space rabbits that power the Voyager's communication beacons would now be woken from their cryorabbit sleep and be very hungry which is obviously solved with microscopic space lettuce. This can be grown remotely with an unvirtual 3D printer designed for exosolar use. And tits.

    53. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not less than a millisecond, I think the minimum on-time is 15 milliseconds (you can go lower but you get disproportionate amounts of error).

                It's an electrically-driven valve, a skinny tube with an injector at the end, which is embedded in the catalyst. When the fuel is released, it squirts out the injector and onto the catalyst. This causes it to decompose into steam (think putting hydrogen peroxide on a cut in your skin, but vastly more energetic). The steam is then accelerated out a nozzle, creating thrust.

              As far as rocket engines go, it's not very efficient, and typically you have to heat the catalyst bed with a heater to keep the thermal shock of a firing from cracking the catalyst into dust. That, and development of "varnish" in the (tiny) injector passages - baked-on crud like a baking pan, is what causes them to wear out. One or both of those is apparently a factor in degradation of the prime attitude control set.

                It's not terribly good for attitude control purposes due to the limited pulse life in the "fire once, wait 3 days, fire again" duty cycle, but it has the advantage of being very small (0.15 or so lb) and very inexpensive (I think something like $20000 a piece now, much less at the time) and has an extraordinary number of flights on it.

    54. Re:Now THAT is amazing by xystren · · Score: 1

      As they say, "They don't make them like they used to." Case and point right there.

    55. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NASA good, Detroit bad. To think within one single country there could be a difference in quality of two products.

    56. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Aighearach · · Score: 0

      The part that worries me isn't just that they can't seem to figure out where the edge of the solar system is, it is that the conditions there do not match predictions, and yet nobody thought, "maybe we should scale back our predictions about things more than 10 AUs away" or something.

      If we can't predict Earth's radiation belts, and we can't predict the conditions at the edges of the solar system, why do we think we can accurately see 14 billion years away?

    57. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The hardest part is that in the movies everybody dies, unless they have transporter beams and gravity generators. And we don't have transporter beams or gravity generators.

      So the hard part is the terrible anxiety of imagining the electrons surviving without a space suit.

    58. Re:Now THAT is amazing by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      The part that worries me isn't just that they can't seem to figure out where the edge of the solar system is, it is that the conditions there do not match predictions, and yet nobody thought, "maybe we should scale back our predictions about things more than 10 AUs away" or something.

      If we can't predict Earth's radiation belts, and we can't predict the conditions at the edges of the solar system, why do we think we can accurately see 14 billion years away?

      OK, if you want to go down that road we could damage a bunch of theoretical disciplines...
      I'm alright with that in principal but it's gonna break my heart the first time I see a nicely dressed PhD holding a sign saying
      Will extrapolate sparse data for food!

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    59. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Good news! Electricity is radiation!

      Also, electrical current is heat. See also: Ohm's Law, Heat Exchanger. (hint: when considering heat dissipation, you left out conduction to everywhere other than air. You're missing convection in space, so you lose the fan on top of the heat sink, but you don't lose conduction so your heat sinks still all work.)

      And people can hear you scream if you die in an explosion, or at least your suit gasses are released while you're screaming. (Yes, explosions make sound in space; duh. If you think they don't, go look up "explosion" and keep an eye out for the word "gasses" and a description of what happens to them. Then look up "sound" and see what it is.)

    60. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      America's arrogance is why it's becoming less important every day.

      Or is it because we stopped being arrogant and started buying all our consumer goods from the Others?

    61. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Right, if the best defense of science is a jobs program, maybe we should silo that part of the data, and let the science part just be smaller?

    62. Re: Now THAT is amazing by JP205 · · Score: 1

      Well I'm thinking that with heating applications any gains in efficiency are going to come from eliminating waste heat and improving the transfer of energy into the thing that you're heating. Probably a wash in the winter though if you have to heat your home anyway.

    63. Re:Now THAT is amazing by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      No, it's OK to keep smacking our heads against a wall till we figure things out, wall builders gotta eat too.
      Maybe be a little less pontificating about the theory du jour...
      and in that vein, I wonder whose house Elon's car will land on...

      This is Air Force Space Command, we are tracking a red sports car falling through the upper stratosphere...
      Do we get to shoot at that sucker or what?

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    64. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Protip: read - and understand - entire post before responding.

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    65. Re:Now THAT is amazing by ckatko · · Score: 1

      Man, I'm disappointed in Slashdot. I laughed my ass off when I wrote that.

    66. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but things donâ(TM)t rust in space so itâ(TM)s essentially a clean room. Thereâ(TM)s nothing to cause a failure other than cold so if itâ(TM)s engineered with that in mind then youâ(TM)re set. Itâ(TM)s amazing that itâ(TM)s still working 37 years later, not that it âoeis in the harsh environment of spaceâ

    67. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not even in our solar system any longer

      Wrong. Voyager 1 is still in our solar system and will be for the next 30,000 years.

      Mankind's accomplishments are practically non-existent and space is VERY large. The entire human race will certainly go extinct before they can ever get anywhere.

    68. Re:Now THAT is amazing by kaizendojo · · Score: 1

      I wish I could upvote this. LOL

    69. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      you don't lose conduction so your heat sinks still all work.

      In a vacuum? What do they conduct the heat to?

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    70. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      *sigh*

      to the heat sink . The problem isn't that space is hot or that your device will be hot in space. The problem is localized heating on one part of your device.

      Notice that they're listing temperature as a problem because it is so cold? Not because it is so hot? The heating issue is localized heating, eg, a pinpoint of heat right on your IC.

    71. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no what pisses people off isn't that they want the US to solve their problems, it's that most of their serious problems are CAUSED by the US

    72. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Those aren't rings around Uranus, they're Klingons.

    73. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Optimism

    74. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because the price difference is large does not mean the actual production cost differential is large. The market does not produce the cheapest price, it produces the maximum price of product x that the producer can charge and make profits.

    75. Re: Now THAT is amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? And that is based off of the comment that the USA has been providing security for Europe and Japan for over 70 years now, at the US's cost? While making loans to Europeans/British to help them get their economies back, after THEY ruined them DURING THEIR war, that they begged us to fight for them?

      If you don't want Americans, that is fine with me, but you can go fuck yourself silly if you think you can take MY MONEY and then tell me to fuck off, while giving me nothing.

    76. Re: Now THAT is amazing by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Quite possibly. I've seen a lot of fridges made after 2000 that only lasted about 7 years. Whether the energy savings are good enough to justify it are up to you. With that said, $30/mo is about what my 22 year old fridge uses (works fine by the way). I've run the math and while I could save a few bucks by replacing it, the payoff is longer than what the replacement fridge would likely last, so...

    77. Re:Now THAT is amazing by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      Electricity is radiation!

      Electricity is heat.

      You don't seem to understand what "is" means. Electricity is linked to radiation and heat, but electricity is neither radiation nor heat.

    78. Re:Now THAT is amazing by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You're mistaking distinctions that help you understand the physics for the physics itself.

      You can't actually separate the parts of the phenomenon in this case.

      You're just parading ignorance as understanding, and then attempting to correct deeper understanding.

      Without radiation, electrons can't move. You can't separate these laws. Actually, almost everything other than gravity is already unified...

    79. Re:Now THAT is amazing by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      That's a pretty high horse you've got here!
      You might have understood those concepts but you do a poor job of communicating it.

      Electricity is heat.

      This sentence is quite simply 100% wrong.

  2. Re:Trump Will Be Impeached by sgage · · Score: 4, Funny

    But do his thrusters work after 37 years?

  3. Semantics? It's all interstellar, right? by darthsilun · · Score: 1

    The space between the stars? Show me somewhere that isn't between two stars.

    It seems NASA has an answer at https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/in...

    1. Re:Semantics? It's all interstellar, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The space between the stars? Show me somewhere that isn't between two stars.

      Harvey Weinstein's dick. According to my calculations, it was periodically positioned inside a star at one time or another.

    2. Re:Semantics? It's all interstellar, right? by hey! · · Score: 2

      In 1668, John Wilkins attempted to construct a language which works the way you want language to work: everything made sense, everything was systematic, down to the way words were formed. Robert Hooke (of Hooke's Law fame) even wrote a scientific paper in it, describing the operation of a pocket watch. It never caught on, because making everything consistent and sensible also makes things unbearably cumbersome.

      People use language to accomplish things, and the construct words to do useful things, not adhere to sensible axioms. "Interstellar space" to describe the space between stars (int itself a vague notion) just isn't a useful concept. However "interstellar space" describing the places outside the heliopauses of star systems is a useful concept.

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  4. Dumb analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The thing was designed to operate at near-zero (K) temperatures and deep vacuum. That's colder than liquid nitrogen, and zero oxidation or whatever.

    You don't exactly store your car under these kinds of conditions.
    Incidentally, when you do store your car under proper conditions, it fires up after 50 years. Youtube the video of a Russian WW2 tank being revived in 2013.

    Oh shit, Russia collusion!

  5. Re:Trump Will Be Impeached by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone has no idea what the news actually means!

    What is so very puzzling to me is why you think candidates should not be able to talk to foreign governments, at all? I mean, what do you think every candidate since ever has done about foreign policy before they were elected?

    It seems like you would all get tired of thinking you are going to impeach trump when all you have done is shot another gaping hole in your own foot.

  6. Re:Trump Will Be Impeached by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, flying your own space ship to crazy land are you? Fascinating.

    On a note that is not related to people with crazy brain syndrome, this achievement is quite noteworthy.

    On a somewhat related side note, has anyone heard of test results of the EM drive in space yet? I had heard it was being sent up but cannot find any articles with reference to whether or not tests in zero g resulted in a net thrust force. The EM drive would be a vast improvement over even the ion drive which I believe is what this craft utilized to get so far out into space along with gravity slingshot techniques.

  7. Dear Editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do we really have to explain the difference between an internal combustion engine and a spacecraft thruster?
    Do we really have to explain the difference between a planetary atmosphere and the near vacuum of space?
    Do we really have to explain just how awful this analogy is?

    'If you tried to start a car that's been sitting in a garage for decades, you might not expect the engine to respond. But a set of thrusters aboard the Voyager 1 spacecraft successfully fired up Wednesday after 37 years without use'.

    The fact that you kept/added this to the story says it all I think ;(

    1. Re:Dear Editors by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Do we really have to explain [...] vacuum of space?

      Everyone knows what a vacuum of space looks like.

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  8. Re:Trump Will Be Impeached by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So when Obama contacted Hamas in 08 before the election, that was A-OK with you? I guess collusion with terrorists isn't as bad as talking to a #2 nuclear power about helping out Israel.

    Go walk by the beach: perchance some undocumented demonrat will "find a gun" accidentally at you three times.

  9. Solar system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is infested with carbon units.

    P.S> forced past

  10. No problem by PPH · · Score: 1

    Just pull out the choke, pump the throttle, put a cartridge in the Coffman starter and fire it.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
    1. Re:No problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you, Space Lister?

  11. Deep Space Network real time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    FYI, you can see what each antenna in NASA's Deep Space Network is doing at any given moment by Looking at this site..

    Below each antenna is the craft being communicated to. Clicking on the antenna and then "+ more detail" will get you some info about signal strengths, transmission rates, round trip light times, and more.

    I don't see one right this moment but it is common to find one of the 70m antennas talking to one of the Voyagers. Right now Goldstone antenna 14 (70m) is talking with New Horizons.

    Captcha = acquire

    1. Re:Deep Space Network real time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad to see that got buried beneath a bunch of Trump spam.

      Stay classy, slashdot.

    2. Re:Deep Space Network real time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As of the time of my post, Madrid is getting downlink data from voyager 1, and Canberra has a downlink carrier for voyager 2.

  12. It's the only human made object alleged to have... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    left the solar system. There is the very real possibility that some Russian Cosmonauts have ended up there.

    LK

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    "Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
  13. V-ger seeks to merge with the creator... by kimgkimg · · Score: 2

    Yeah well that's all well and good until it comes back looking to merge with the creator.

    1. Re:V-ger seeks to merge with the creator... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      There is no space, there is no earth, there is no eclipses. There is no spoon.

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  14. Re:Trump Will Be Impeached by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still trying to polish that turd aren't you ? Poor poor pathetic Trump supporters.

    Candidates and administrators are allowed to talk to foreign governements. What they are not allowed to is commit perjury.

    One doesn't make the decision of lying to the FBI lightly. He does so to hide a crime which, if discovered, would yield worse consequences than perjury. Now, what could that be ?

    Treason comes to mind. Of course I could be wrong. But Hilary could well have run a peodophile ring from the basement of a pizza restaurant also.

  15. Not looking forward to starting dad's truck by Snotnose · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Some 6 years ago us kids decided he couldn't drive anymore, and he wouldn't give up his keys. I swapped a couple of his ignition wires, truck wouldn't start and dad (who used to be an A-1 mechanic) (now with the alzheimer's option) couldn't figure out why.

    6 years later dad is still going strong, health wise, is totally gone, mentally wise, and I don't remember which wires I crossed and am not an A-1 mechanic. Plus 4 flat tires, and a truck that hasn't moved in 6 years/

    31 years from now? My niece is a useless waste of oxygen who can barely maintain her US-gov mail to keep her welfare coming while she plays video games 24/7. The other niece and nephew are 2,000 miles away and have never been part of dad's life, doubt they could start dad's truck. If I'm alive in 31 years I expect to make a killing on the talk show circuit. Won't be actively trying to kill off oldest person alive, but will be sending thoughts and prayers that they let me be #1 for a week or two.

  16. Re:Trump Will Be Impeached by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    So when Obama contacted Hamas in 08 before the election, that was A-OK with you?

    Is this coming from the Republican Fairy Tale where his birth certificate is still fake? McCain tried that shit before the election.

    It was bullshit then, it's still bullshit now.

    I guess collusion with terrorists isn't as bad as talking to a #2 nuclear power about helping out Israel.

    Yep, it is. Here's a hint: If anybody's selling out to terrorists, it's Trump who just loves him some Saudi money.

    Go walk by the beach: perchance some undocumented demonrat will "find a gun" accidentally at you three times.

    Go pray in your church, perhaps some repukeathug will "demonstrate gun safety" and accidentally shoot you instead of themselves.

  17. Mr. Paris... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fire the trans-phasic lateral thrusters.

  18. Gold Records by kackle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fifty fears from now, imagine space aliens come to earth with our satellite, and ask us to play for them what's on the records. We look around, but, embarrassed, can't find a turntable.

    1. Re:Gold Records by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You keed, but they already took that into account. There's a player with the record.

    2. Re:Gold Records by Cramer · · Score: 2

      Don't need one. With a high enough resolution flat bed scanner, we have software that can "play" it back from the image. (the same basic technology as today's laser based turntables.)

  19. Re:It's the only human made object alleged to have by PPH · · Score: 2

    left the solar system.

    That and a manhole cover.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  20. Thank my late father by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool, you can thank my late father, he was a lead control systems engineer on that project.

    And on the Magellan, and Mariner projects.

    Oh, and the A-12... but thats another story.

  21. Not mutually exclusive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The point is that the new one could have been built to last long too, while being efficient.

    But companies deliberatey don't. Because "Deutschland, Deutschland, ... err, I mean, "profit, profit über alles!".

    1. Re:Not mutually exclusive! by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      The point is that the new one could have been built to last long too, while being efficient.

      I've seen some well-built appliances for $3-5000 a pop. Bet they last a long-time. Too bad I can't afford them.

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      His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
    2. Re:Not mutually exclusive! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      https://www.goodreads.com/quot...

      "The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

      Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

      But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

      This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness."

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  22. Space is NOT cold! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its particles are actually extremely hot. There just are very few of them!

    That is not the same as the (very many very slow particles) that you mean.

  23. Re:It's the only human made object alleged to have by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    left the solar system.

    That and a manhole cover.

    and a teapot.

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    His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
  24. Re:Trump Will Be Impeached by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We will make our country Great Again.
    In time, Obama will be indicted, tried, and convicted. His name will become synonymous with "treasonous shit". Some of you demonrats will wake up or will otherwise be cured. The rest will have nothing better to do than scream at the sky:

    "REEEE, Russia impeach, REEEEE." Dumpf Mueller any day now pussy racist.

  25. Re:Trump Will Be Impeached by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to mention when Col. Mustard was caught with the candlestick in the Parlor!
    Talk about Guilty!

  26. Re:Trump Will Be Impeached by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as a completely disinterested non US citizen

    have you got any idea how freaking insane that post makes you sound?

    like that's eating lead based paint chips for 30 years level of nuts

  27. Cool Piece Of hardware by DarkRookie · · Score: 1

    I like this thing is still working at nearly 40 years old and 20 light hours away, when my computer and phone update weekly, and I doubt my hardware would be supported in 30 years even if it still worked.

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    The millennial that doesn't like most of the stuff designed for millennials.
  28. Re:Trump Will Be Impeached by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for your opinion.
    From my side, desperate times call for desperate measures. Obama has "toxified" American discourse with his identity politics:
    most people of color now sincerely believe that there is prevalent racism, and that whites genuinely hate and oppress them. They believe that the blacks never had it worse than under Trump (or hispanics, or women, or whatever "suppressed minority" they self-identify with).

    The times of slavery were not as bad as now, apparently. Yes, that's what many Americans are brain-washed into believing today!

    This kind of delusion requires shock therapy in my opinion: strength, courage, and conviction in a better future we will make for ourselves. Like that puppy molested by the owner: any time anyone would touch it, it would cry out in terror believing that all humans would hurt it... until enough love and care was given to it, and the delusion broke down. Hopefully the "suppressed minorities" will eventually realize that nobody is burning crosses on their lawns under Trump, but the crime is going down, the jobs are coming back, and everybody is getting better off.

    Demonrats know they have max 1-2 years until the delusion breaks, so they will try to do anything possible to remove Trump before then.