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'Watershed' Medical Trial Proves Type 2 Diabetes Can Be Reversed (bbc.com)

dryriver writes: For those suffering from type 2 diabetes, there is good news. Nearly half of the participants in a watershed trial of a new diabetes treatment were able to reverse their affliction. The method is quite simple -- an all liquid diet that causes participants to lose a lot of weight, followed by a carefully controlled diet of real solid foods. Four times a day, a sachet of powder is stirred in water to make a soup or shake. They contain about 200 calories, but also the right balance of nutrients. If the patient can keep away from other foods long enough, there is a chance of reversing type 2 diabetes completely. Prof Roy Taylor, from Newcastle University, told the BBC: "It's a real watershed moment. Before we started this line of work, doctors and specialists regarded type 2 as irreversible. But if we grasp the nettle and get people out of their dangerous state (being overweight), they can get remission of diabetes." However, doctors are not calling this a cure. If the weight goes back on, then the diabetes will return. The trial only looked at people diagnosed with diabetes in the last six years. Doctors believe -- but do not know with absolute certainty yet -- that in people who have had the affliction much longer than that, there may be too much permanent damage to make remission possible. The trial results have been published in the Lancet medical journal.

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  1. Low Carb diets work just as well and is much easie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Please read about the work of Dr. Bernestein, Dr Phinney and many others who have reversed T2D using low carb /keto diets .

    1. Type 2 diabetes can be reversed.

    Virta is an online specialty medical clinic that reverses type 2 diabetes without medications or surgery.
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  2. Soylent drinkers all cured? by jelwell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I gotta wonder how many people drinking Soylent have unknowingly cured themselves...
    Joseph Elwell.

  3. Big deal by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    call me when type-I can be reversed. My Dad got type 2 because he got fat. Lost some weight and he's fine now. This is something we've known for years. It's fine that it's been proven. Science likes to prove things and that's generally a good thing. But I'd hardly call it watershed.

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    1. Re:Big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      That would be Dr. Faustmann's work at Mass. General Hospital. See https://www.eurekalert.org/pub...

      Most Type 1 diabetes is an auto-immune problem, where T cells destroy insuln producing cells after triggering by a virus. Tight blood sugar control for 30 days, coupled with frequent doses of the BCG (tuberculosis) vaccine, stop the auto-immune problem and allow adult stem cells to switch to insulin producing cells and cure Type 1. The treatment is in its second round of human testing: the medication is already available in millions of doses worldwide, and if the FDA gets bribed or hindered enough by Eli Lilly (which makes insulin) or Minimed (which makes insulin pumps) or the glucomater makers (where the money *really* is, those test strips are $1/each), then I'm going on some "health tourism". 30 days in a country where the BCG vaccine is broadly available is expensive, but *so is Type 1 diabetes!!!*

  4. I fully expect... by geekmux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...this common sense approach to curing diabetes to be fully debunked by the Medical Industrial Complex. Those profiting from this affliction wouldn't have it any other way.

    That said, I also fully expect people to be lazy enough to not put forth the effort to lose weight to cure their ailments either. The underlying cause and prevalence of diabetes in society still needs to be addressed. Unfortunately, there's no easy cure for I-don't-give-a-fuck disease.

    1. Re:I fully expect... by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is no cure, and there never will be.

      This story is not about a cure, it is about lifestyle-induced remission. It only works as long as the lifestyle changes are in place.

    2. Re:I fully expect... by AlanObject · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is no cure, and there never will be.

      It only works as long as the lifestyle changes are in place.

      What a bizarre objection. I've seen it before and it never ceases to astound me. Consider what you are saying:

      Behavior A produces undesirable outcome X.

      Behavior B produces desirable outcome Y.

      Reverting from Behavior B back to Behavior A produces undesirable X again.

      So therefore Behavior B is "faulty" somehow and not a real remedy for X!

      Has it ever occurred to people making that argument that "Behavior A" basically amounts to eating poison (highly refined carbohydrates) which should never have been followed in the first place? Apparently not.

    3. Re: I fully expect... by c6gunner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ..this common sense approach to curing diabetes to be fully debunked by the Medical Industrial Complex. Those profiting from this affliction wouldn't have it any other way.

      As much as I love watching you conspiracy tards go off on your rants, you may want to stop and consider the fact that the medical community has been telling people for decades to stop getting fat because it causes type 2 diabetes, amongst other health problems.

    4. Re:I fully expect... by TheConway · · Score: 3, Insightful

      so keep the lifestyle change in place. Type 2 diabetes isn't a disease, it's self-harm, intentional or otherwise. It's akin to saying that not holding your head under water is a cure for drowning.

  5. Re:Low Carb diets work just as well and is much ea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My dad was a T2 diabetic on multiple medications. Within a year on a strict low carb diet, his blood sugar was back to normal and he was off all medications (plus lost a lot of excess weight in the process). He's healthier in every way.

    I'm not gonna claim it works for everyone, but the evidence is overwhelming at this point. The established nutritional dogma in the US is simply wrong and it's responsible for a huge number of needless deaths (and increased pharma company profits, funny how that works).

  6. Long known by Doub · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This news is bullshit. I've had type 2 diabetes for at least 10 years, and since the beginning my doctors told me it would be cured if I got back to a normal weight/diet. And I mean it's not rocket science, it's obvious if you think for a second about how type 2 diabetes works: pancreas can only produce so much insulin, eat more carbs than that and it stays in the blood (also having your pancreas strain at 100% all the time and dying out explains why it transforms into type 1 over time).

    1. Re:Long known by StreamingEagle · · Score: 3, Informative

      Uhhhh... no. You're exactly wrong. 180 degrees out of phase.

  7. Living in the restroom by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As an anecdote, my doctor asked me to drink more water for an unrelated condition, and I lost about 15 pounds. Everyone is different, but worth a try if you are a bit chubby.

    The downside is that I have to always use the restroom. And, restrooms are not always easy to find.

  8. Totally Agreee by jimbrooking · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In 2008 I was diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes an my doc insisted I start insulin treatment immediately. My response: No thanks. I lost 40 lbs over the next three months by changing my eating habits - less fat, many less carbs, (but some "good carbs", etc., and walking a couple of miles a day. My next blood sugar level test was normal - high-normal, but within the normal range. And so it has remained for almost 10 years. A1C tests have been rock-steady and well within the normal range for years. It's not breakthrough medicine, it's determination and making the choices you know you should make. I weigh myself every morning and if I'm over my target weight, I eat a little less that day. If under, I can splurge with a few crackers and cheese. I cook for myself, so know exactly what I fuel my body with. Not religious/obsessive about weight, just sensible.

    And the best part is that I (am American and) spend 3-4 weeks a year in France and eat and drink whatever I want: no weight checks there. When I get back I'm a few pounds heavier, but returning to the old regimen, they're all gone in a couple of weeks.

  9. Clickbait by minogully · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally something can ACTUALLY be cured using one weird trick that doctor's don't want you to know.

  10. Re:Low Carb diets work just as well and is much ea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Books and no scientific papers, testimonials and no scientific results, .com address and not a .edu address. Fuck this guy.

  11. Re:Low Carb diets work just as well and is much ea by RhettLivingston · · Score: 4, Informative

    You speak of pharma company profits (and you're right today), but our sugar consumption problem was started by the sugar industry in the 60s using methods straight out of the books of the tobacco industry - buried studies that were linking sugar to cholesterol problems and lobbying for the war against fat.

    I have been on a low carb diet much of the time for several years now with positive results regardless of what my weight is. My serum cholesterol levels dropped by over 50% long before the weight came off.

    I've known several people to get rid of a Type 2 diabetes or prediabetes diagnosis by going low carb. And as to those who say it is difficult to stay on it, it is no more so than any other lifestyle change. I've known many to try becoming vegetarians and fall off.

    Yes, it is easy to fall off of a keto diet that is for weight loss because you're reducing your calories. The key I've found is to just increase your calories for a while without going back to carbs. Also, artificial sweeteners keep the craving for sweets in place. Lose them. You should always plan on just doing keto forever just as a vegetarian plans to eat nothing but vegetables forever. Eventually, the thought of sugar or potatoes will just turn your stomach.

  12. Re:If the liquid is vodka by pjt33 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I admit I've only read the summary, but I came away with the impression that it doesn't offer much hope for type 2 diabetics who aren't overweight.

  13. Re:Low Carb diets work just as well and is much ea by TheConway · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you're overweight the extra calories come from your fat. For an obese person, losing 5 lbs a week isn't all that extreme and that works out at something like 28000 extra calories.

  14. Re:Low Carb diets work just as well and is much ea by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is always a war on something... War on fat, war on salt, war on sugar... It's these wars on other things that allowed sugar to increase, because if you take fat and salt out of a product it tastes disgusting - so you add something else, like sugar...

    So now you have products which use lots of sugar sand other chemicals to make up for the lack of salt and fat, once they start taking sugar out they will have to replace it with something else too so who knows what kinds of weird chemicals they will use for that.

    I'd rather just have natural foods, containing a reasonable naturally occurring amount of salt, fat and sugar and then eat sensible quantities of them. We didn't have massive obesity problems 100+ years ago when people ate natural foods and got a bit more exercise.

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  15. Re:Low Carb diets work just as well and is much ea by pots · · Score: 3

    You've offered up a conspiracy theory, one which revolves around something something drug companies who can't be trusted, and linked to a video by Alex Jones as evidence of this. Alex Jones, who makes most of his money by getting his followers to buy his nutritional supplements (because other sources of nutritional supplements can't be trusted). Brilliant.

    This whole thread is just... Yes, of course a low carb diet can alleviate type 2 diabetes, any fad diet can alleviate type 2 diabetes. The important part is losing weight, and fad diets are usually all pretty good at that. It's wonderful that this particular one worked for you or for your relation. None of the low carb diets are as extreme as the 850 cal/day liquid diet that they used in this study. Does this mean that a faster, more extreme diet is more effective for treating diabetes? ... No, that's not what they were studying here but it seems like a worthwhile question, given their results.

    That's a detail though. The important thing is that if you have type 2 diabetes then how exactly you go about losing weight doesn't matter nearly as much as actually doing it.

  16. Re:Low Carb diets work just as well and is much ea by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's a bullshit statistic. The average lifespan was about 30 years due to high infant mortality rates, accidents, and infections disease. A person lucky enough to avoid those, and presumably didn't starve to death, could expect to live 60 to 70 years. The modern increase in average lifespan in developed countries is because infant mortality is WAY down, accidents are less fatal because we have emergency rooms, most infectious diseases are curable, preventable, or manageable with antibiotics or vaccines, and we largely don't let people starve to death any more. It is not because we are generally more healthy. We are arguably less healthy due to poor diets, lack of exercise, and reduced natural selection.