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Steam Ends Support For Bitcoin (polygon.com)

Valve is ending support for Steam purchases made with bitcoin, the company said today, citing "high fees and volatility" in the value of the cryptocurrency. In a statement, it said: "In the past few months we've seen an increase in the volatility in the value of Bitcoin and a significant increase in the fees to process transactions on the Bitcoin network," Valve said in a post on Steam. "For example, transaction fees that are charged to the customer by the Bitcoin network have skyrocketed this year, topping out at close to $20 a transaction last week (compared to roughly $0.20 when we initially enabled Bitcoin). Unfortunately, Valve has no control over the amount of the fee. These fees result in unreasonably high costs for purchasing games when paying with Bitcoin. The high transaction fees cause even greater problems when the value of Bitcoin itself drops dramatically."

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  1. Re:Bitcoin is stupid. by Train0987 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Luckily there is never a shortage of complete morons with money to fleece. Tulips anyone?

  2. Valve are not fools by erapert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're no longer accepting BTC so that they're not stuck holding the bag after the bubble pops-- which will be any day now it looks like.

    1. Re:Valve are not fools by ilsaloving · · Score: 2

      The problem is that people have been saying that for a long time, and yet the price just keeps going on. I was expecting the bubble to pop several times now, and in fact it sorta had, but then the price very quickly shot even higher than it was before that pop.

      I just don't get it. Bitcoin is no longer useful even as a currency due to the transaction fees and transaction times involved. It strikes me to being a very high-stakes version of collecting Magic the Gather or Pokemon cards.

    2. Re:Valve are not fools by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 3, Funny

      1) Nerds complaining in a supersonic whine and 2) None whatsoever.

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    3. Re:Valve are not fools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      “The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.”
      —John Maynard Keynes

    4. Re:Valve are not fools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is that people have been saying that for a long time, and yet the price just keeps going on.

      That's why it's called a bubble.
      If it fluctuated more reasonably, we wouldn't call it a bubble.

  3. Questions by SmaryJerry · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why does a transaction take so long and why does it cost $20? If someone is only transferring $5 American dollars worth of bitcoin would it still cost $20 in transaction fees?

    1. Re:Questions by Train0987 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, that's always been one of many fatal flaws with the bitcoin pyramid scheme, errr, blockchain.

    2. Re:Questions by vossman77 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The recommended fee is 0.000339 BTC or about $4.41 at current values [1]. Fee are the same if you are transferring less than a US penny or more than a million dollars. For any transaction, you can use less fee and wait (much) longer or a larger fee have a shorter transaction time.

      Fees have really been the driving force behind the recent Bitcoin forks. Some argue that bitcoin should be a store of value (not me) rather an a tool for transferring money. Independent of your opinion on the fork Bitcoin Cash, I believe they are doing it right with transaction fees [2], which currently is about $0.15 per transaction, again independent of transaction amount.

      1. https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/
      2. https://bitinfocharts.com/comp...

    3. Re:Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      In order for the transaction to be confirmed, it must be cryptographically linked into the blockchain. This occurs when a new bitcoin is "mined", and added to the blockchain. At that point, 1MB of transaction data can be recorded in the blockchain with the new bitcoin. To incentivize inclusion of your transaction, you can offer a portion of your bitcoin as a "fee" to record the transaction. This competes with all of the other pending transactions, so the higher the fee, the faster your transaction will be confirmed.

      The problem is that 1MB is currently the max transaction data added per bitcoin, and the difficulty of mining bitcoins keeps going up. The rest is basic economics: limited supply, increasing demand = higher cost.

    4. Re:Questions by kiminator · · Score: 5, Informative

      Bitcoin miners perform the processing required to process transactions. When a bitcoin transaction is submitted, it is submitted along with a "bid" for how much the person is willing to pay for the transaction. Miners then prioritize incoming transactions based upon how much is bid. If the bid is too low, it will end up at the end of a long queue and might take hours to finish (if ever).

      The optimal bid amount, then, is determined by the computing power of the Bitcoin network combined with how much processing power it actually takes to process each transaction and how many transactions there are. Right now, bids above about 150 Satoshis per byte (which works out to just under $5 per transaction on average at current prices) finish relatively quickly (typically under 30 minutes). Bids below that take an increasingly long time to commit.

      This high transaction cost is a function of the poor scaling of the Bitcoin algorithm to large numbers of transactions. It's one reason among many why I think Bitcoins are an absolutely abysmal medium of exchange, and why I question the entire concept of a blockchain-based currency system.

    5. Re:Questions by vossman77 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Based on my limited understanding, the block size is fixed at 1MB and each transaction is around 226 bytes. A block occurs every 20 minutes, so bitcoin can only have about 232 transactions per minute, and transactions are (some how) prioritized by age and fee. It is well known the miners will flood the transaction back log to increase the fees, because the miners claim the additional fees.

      SegWit, which went into effect in August (?), I think was supposed to reduce the transaction size, but keep the block size the same. SegWit also allows some sort of Lightning Network, which is basically a service that will confirm transaction off of the block chain faster for a higher fee. The Bitcoin Cash people rejected this as being too proprietary and hence their fork.

      The fork Bitcoin2X a.k.a. SegWit2X increased the block size to 2MB.

      I am not sure what Bitcoin Cash did, but as stated they rejected SegWit, and must have increased the block size, but they are handling the increased transaction volume fine.

      AFAIK, all other Bitcoin forks (Gold, Platinum) are money grabbing schemes.

  4. Re:Bitcoin is stupid. by Smidge204 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only people pushing tulip comparisons are bank shills like Chase CEO.

    You're right, it's a dumb comparison.

    Bitcoins are more like Beanie Babies.
    =Smidge=

  5. Failing as a Currency by Thelasko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Currency should have a stable value compared to the rest of the goods in the marketplace. We typically see currencies fail due to rapid inflation. Where the currency loses value rapidly compared to the rest of the goods in the marketplace. This may be the first time we see a currency fail due to rapid deflation.

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    1. Re:Failing as a Currency by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2
      Deflation crises were common when currency was linked to precious metals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      This was one of the reasons currency was eventually decoupled from gold and silver.

    2. Re:Failing as a Currency by kiminator · · Score: 3, Informative

      Gold-based currencies had this problem, only Bitcoin's issue is far worse. Typically it's not so much that the currency fails as the economy it's based upon collapses due to deflation.

      This is part of the reason why the Great Depression was so bad, for instance. Japan has been struggling with deflation over the last couple of decades as well, resulting in a long period of economic stagnation. The smaller, poorer countries that share the Euro currency are also dealing with a deflationary problem right now. But in all of these cases, the magnitude of the deflation is nowhere remotely close to the deflation with Bitcoin. Real-world factors tend to prevent national currencies from deflating nearly that rapidly. If Bitcoin were actually used as the national currency of a country, that country's economy would be experiencing unprecedented economic pain.

      National currencies usually are fine with modest amounts of inflation, but cause economic disruption if inflation is too low (or negative) or much too high. As long as inflation is stable and of a modest amount, the currency works pretty well.

  6. Re:Bitcoin is stupid. by AlanBDee · · Score: 2

    Until you sell your bitcoins and put that money into a more stable retirement vessel then you have not earned an early retirement. If you have then I would consider you lucky and wise.

    I am no more jealous of you then I would be toward a gambler at a casino who won. Bitcoin, as an investment, is a gamble at best. If I'm wrong then you're set for life and that's great. But I still won't regret my decision because I still consider the investment too risky.

  7. Re:Commerce? by Thelasko · · Score: 2

    Is there actual commerce happening with Bitcoin?

    That's the point of TFA. Valve no longer sees Bitcoin as a viable for commerce. In order for a currency to function, it's value has to be stable. Bitcoin is very unstable.

    If a currency no longer facilitates commerce, is it still a currency?

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  8. Re:Bitcoin is stupid. by leonbev · · Score: 2

    Yeah, but have you actually tried using Bitcoin recently as it's intended purpose of a currency? It sucks! It takes 15 minutes for a transaction to confirm now, during which time the actual value of the currency could have gone up or down by 2 or 3%. And, like Steam is complaining about, the Bitcoin transaction fees that made sense back when the currency was $100 are completely asinine now that it's around $11,000.

    Yeah, I might be a bit bitter that this "currency" completely defied logic and got this overvalued, but that doesn't mean that I'm not right. Bitcoin (as it currently works) IS stupid.

  9. Re: Bitcoin is stupid. by taustin · · Score: 2

    Those who get into - and out of - a Ponzi scheme early generally profit from it. At the expense of the fools who jump on the bandwagon later.

  10. Re:Bitcoin is stupid. by sysrammer · · Score: 3, Informative

    You made yours, so fuck everybody else, eh? I'm not sure you're any better than a "bank shill", yourself.

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  11. Re:Bitcoin is stupid. by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 2

    Of course I'm jealous, but that's neither here nor there. Bitcoin has fulfilled it's promise as an investment, it has failed it's promise as a currency.

    You can't use it's success as an investment to argue that transaction costs of 20 fucking bucks and a throughput counted in one or two digits per second don't make it completely useless as a currency, Lightning network isn't a solution either because the limitations and lack of transparency will be very hard to explain or justify to normal users.

    If it continues its run as an investment and criminal transaction method for a while longer, bully for you. That makes it no more useful for commercial trade such as Steam, it will have still failed as a currency.

  12. Re:Bitcoin is stupid. by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

    Have no fear, according to a recent news report the run up in value from $100 to $11k was due to the winklevoss twins buying $65million worth of bitcoin probably constituting more than half the coins in circulation. When they sell those coins the value of bitcoin will crash the other direction if for no other reason than it would take the twins more than 6months at the full daily trading volume to unload that many coins. Put that many coins back in circulation and value of the coin will crash back down to $100. The only reason the value is so high is that "investors" have bought and sequestered so many coins at this point that the number circulating is greatly reduced.