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Does Systemd Make Linux Complex, Error-Prone, and Unstable? (ungleich.ch)

"Systemd developers split the community over a tiny detail that decreases stability significantly and increases complexity for not much real value." So argues Nico Schottelius, talking about his experiences as the CEO of a Swiss company providing VM hosting, datacenters, and high-speed fiber internet. Long-time Slashdot reader walterbyrd quotes Nico's essay: While I am writing here in flowery words, the reason to use Devuan is hard calculated costs. We are a small team at ungleich and we simply don't have the time to fix problems caused by systemd on a daily basis. This is even without calculating the security risks that come with systemd. Our objective is to create a great, easy-to-use platform for VM hosting, not to walk a tightrope...

[W]hat the Devuan developers are doing is creating stability. Think about it not in a few repeating systemd bugs or about the insecurity caused by a huge, monolithic piece of software running with root privileges. Why do people favor Linux on servers over Windows? It is very easy: people don't use Windows, because it is too complex, too error prone and not suitable as a stable basis. Read it again. This is exactly what systemd introduces into Linux: error prone complexity and instability. With systemd the main advantage to using Linux is obsolete.

The essay argues that while Devuan foisted another choice into the community, "it is not their fault. Creating Devuan is simply a counteraction to ensure Linux stays stable. which is of high importance for a lot of people."

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  1. INCOMMING! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh my! I'm going to hang back, make some popcorn, step into some Tyvek coveralls, grab a hard-hat and safety goggles and enjoy the show!

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    1. Re: INCOMMING! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does systemd make writing headlines complex, error-prone, and unstable?

    2. Re:INCOMMING! by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh my! I'm going to hang back, make some popcorn, step into some Tyvek coveralls, grab a hard-hat and safety goggles and enjoy the show!

      LOL, I was going to say almost the exact same thing. Save me a seat if you would, I'll be along in a minute with some extra beers and a splatter-shield.

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    3. Re:INCOMMING! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      SystemD development secretly funded by Red Hat to get a lot of requests for assistance?

  2. Re:What a load of twaddle.... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Funny

    yet another rant with zero details.... "all the problems caused by systemd" and yet not a single one listed.

    Use "journalctl" to see the details log.

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  3. Does systemd make ... by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is Slashdot, any ill you can imagine can be traced back to systemd.

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    1. Re:Does systemd make ... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Funny

      systemd turned me into a newt!

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    2. Re:Does systemd make ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      A newt that can type on a KEYBOARD??

      "He got better!

    3. Re: Does systemd make ... by Reverend+Green · · Score: 5, Funny

      Systemd is nothing but a thinly-veiled plot by Vladimir Putin and Beyonce to import illegal German Nazi immigrants over the border from Mexico who will then corner the market in kimchi and implement Sharia law!!!

  4. Re:Problems with Linux that should have been solve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    code contribution:
    rm -rf /code/systemd

  5. Re:It violates fundamental Unix principles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Emacs of the 2010s.

  6. Re:Problems with Linux that should have been solve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I tried your patch and it's amazing. Please submit a pull request upstream as soon a possible.

  7. Don't go hating on systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    it's a fine OS, the only thing it's missing is a really good init system.

  8. Re:It violates fundamental Unix principles by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

    We are systemd. Lower your memory locks and surrender your processes. We will add your calls and code distinctiveness to our own. Your functions will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

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  9. Re: Problems with Linux that should have been solv by Wootery · · Score: 1, Funny

    Keep it simple: compile a custom kernel!