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Stolen Car Recovered With 11,000 More Miles -- and Lyft Stickers (sfgate.com)
The San Francisco Bay Area has more car thefts than any region in America, according to SFGate.com. A National Insurance Crime Bureau report found that between 2012 and 2014, there were an average of 30,000 car thefts a year just in the cities of San Francisco, Oakland and Hayward. But one theft took a strange turn. An anonymous reader quotes their report: Cierra and Josh Barton purchased a new Honda HR-V at the beginning of summer. It was stolen while parked in front of their Livermore apartment complex at the end of August. Four months later, Hayward police called the Bartons to say they had recovered the vehicle... What they found, to their surprise, was a car in relatively good shape -- a few dents, a rattling hood. But in the back and front windows were Lyft stickers, Cierra Barton said.
The odometer had spiked from 2,000 miles to more than 13,000. And in the back seat, Cierra said she found a pillow, a jacket and a stuffed animal. "It wasn't burned out, it wasn't gutted, but it appeared to be have been used as a Lyft," she said. That, Cierra added, was even worse than she imagined. "Not only did someone steal our car, they made money off it!"
Lyft says that "Given the information provided, we are unable to match this vehicle to any Lyft accounts in the area," adding they "stand ready to assist law enforcement in any investigation."
The odometer had spiked from 2,000 miles to more than 13,000. And in the back seat, Cierra said she found a pillow, a jacket and a stuffed animal. "It wasn't burned out, it wasn't gutted, but it appeared to be have been used as a Lyft," she said. That, Cierra added, was even worse than she imagined. "Not only did someone steal our car, they made money off it!"
Lyft says that "Given the information provided, we are unable to match this vehicle to any Lyft accounts in the area," adding they "stand ready to assist law enforcement in any investigation."
Lyft driving is profitable only if you steal cars.
Just like Bitcoin mining is profitable only if you steal electricity.
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Probably wasnâ(TM)t actually used for Lyft, but the stickers were put in the window as a decoy to avoid attention from police.
It was a self driving car, and it got bored...
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"Not only did someone steal our car, they made money off it!"
Is it not usually understood that is why they are stealing your car? For some sort of profit. Oh sure the occasional joy ride here and there but most of the time chopped into little pieces or sold of in another country. Using it for a taxi is a new twist.
I'd have to applaud this thief for his creative and innovative means of escape from poverty. While stealing is wrong the situation here is probably not as bad morally speaking (not that I don't have some sympathy for the people who were temporarily deprived of a vehicle, but presumably they had insurance, and got paid out). A thief who makes a living off stealing from others is not so respectable. A thief who steals something for the purpose of escaping poverty and proceeds to profit from his own labor and honest work is an admirable individual indeed. He's utilized a last resort mechanism to rectify a situation that could have turned much worse. I'd rather see people doing this than government stealing from me to feed the homeless or house car thieves.
No offense, but that theory makes even less sense that âoeStar Wars: The Last Jedi.â
Not cool, man.
Plot twist: the Lyft stickers are plants by Uber as part of a campaign to discredit Lyft.
You're missing the part about Gary Niger's GNAA membership.
Nahh- they probably registered a different possibly identical car and then used this one to do the driving. The cops should probably look at other vehicles registered that are the same or similar as this model/color in the area. However it may not resolve the issue if the driver was smart and drove it in a different area and then ditched in another. This could seriously increase the number of people you have to investigate if there are lots of people with this mode/color car driving for Lyft. Of course you maybe able to narrow it down based on who has recently stopped driving for Lyft or whom has switched vehicles whom had this model/color car.
It was a sophisticated PR smear by Uber. They are trying to hurt Lyft with a thousand cuts.
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"It wasn't burned out, it wasn't gutted, but it appeared to be have been used as a Lyft," she said. That, Cierra added, was even worse than she imagined. "Not only did someone steal our car, they made money off it!"
What the heck did she imagine people steal cars for? And burning it out and/or gutting it would have been better than using it to transport people? Because Americans prefer vandals to the poor?
What is wrong with you people?
10k miles on a new car, and not a single oil change. What a way to ruin an engine during the critical break-in period (pun not intended) yeah, the car is forever fucked
How devious. It'd take an unemployed tech worker to come up with this. Steal a car identical to yours, put your tags and registration in it just in case you get pulled over. Drive Lyft for a few months, make some money, and don't pile any miles on your own vehicle. Brilliant.
Don't ruin it for me, I'm four or five movies behind by now. Might want to watch them, some shitty day.
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Under these circumstances, would the guy have to steal the same model, make and color? Then we can narrow down the suspects list.
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You can play mini-games where you're basically a Lyft driver, and most of the time you'll be using stolen cars... Guess someone played the game and thought it might make a great real idea...
If I had to take a wild guess, the thief took his profits immediately - by selling it to someone who thought he was getting a decent deal on a lightly used vehicle.
And in the back seat, Cierra said she found a pillow, a jacket and a stuffed animal. "It wasn't burned out, it wasn't gutted, but it appeared to be have been used as a Lyft," she said.
Definitely the behavior and accoutrements of an irresponsible joyrider.
That, Cierra added, was even worse than she imagined. "Not only did someone steal our car, they made money off it!"
Those monsters! Probably some affluenza-infected trust fund kid who slept in the back of the car with their only item of comfort from their horrible parents ... ok, I'm losing the narrative here.
Seriously, someone who has to drive for Lyft to make money and sleep in the back of their car with a stuffed animal for comfort, and it's the *making money* part that's even worse than she imagined? I'm ready to put in for this thief's gofundme to buy their own HR-V (which runs around ~20k, apparently).
At 2k they should have been off their breakin oil. So not that bad.
3k is what the oil/quick lube companies recommend, car companies recommend from 5 to 10k. The 10k are using synthetic oil.
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10k miles on a new car, and not a single oil change. What a way to ruin an engine during the critical break-in period (pun not intended) yeah, the car is forever fucked
If it had synthetic oil, then the car is probably ok. Some synthetic oil can take you 15k miles before needing a change.
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I am not the least bit surprised that the liberal cesspit of SF has the highest car theft.
There are several reasons why the SF Bay Area is number 1:
1. Lots of nice cars.
2. Close enough to Mexico. In Tijuana there are no checks in the southbound direction. You can just drive across.
3. Strong police unions, and thus no way to motivate or replace the apathetic and inept police. By the time they type up the report, the car is in Mexico.
4. No political pressure to fix the problem. Local politics tend to fixate on other issues, such as whether the city's health care plan should cover sex change operations for transgender public employees,
Except you left out the part where it was an UBER leased vehicle, but thanks to Uber's shitting pricing model the guy made more working for Lyft, but when his leased car broke down he needed a replacement that matched his, swapped the plates, and drove it around so he could keep his lease payments up.
He was probably living in the vehicle.
Indy dies. It was the right thing to do.
Close enough to Mexico.
You really need to take a good look at a map. Eight hours of driving south will only get you to LA, several hours north of the border. If you want to steal cars to sell in Mexico, do it in Beverly Hills, or Palm Springs.
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"Close to Mexico"?
San Francisco is "close to mexico"?
Don't ruin it for me, I'm four or five movies behind by now. Might want to watch them, some shitty day.
Shitty before or while watching them?
"Not only did someone steal our car, they made money off it!"
What happens with stolen goods normally, for $200, Alex?
Newark and surrounding areas used to have the same problem with car theft because the port was corrupt and people would ship the stolen cars out in containers. If most of the vehicles' destination is ultimately Asia, then shipping out of the west coast makes even more sense. Moreover, the extreme lefty politics of the bay provides better cover for corrupt labor organizers than out east at this point.
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Awesome:
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Good:
The Empire Strikes Back
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The Force Awakens
Ok:
Return of the Jedi
Bad:
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones
The Last Jedi
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The Star Wars Holiday Special
The Phantom Menace
That's because they're using a Key/Value Document Store database, and therefore their only index into it is the Driver ID. The plate number is just a piece of metadata stored in the document.
You only Rogue1 is awesome because it's new.
In a few weeks you'll bump it down to good, just like everyone did to The Force Awakens when the afterglow wore off.
That would work right up until your first Saturday Night driving, when the cautious young lady out on the town checks your car and driver photos and the plate number, then reports you to Trust and Safety when they don't match.
that's close enough when the local cops don't give a fuck and won't type the report in until the end of their shift.
Man up and stop posting anon, of course if you did that you would be banned in 5 minutes.
If you want to steal cars to sell in Mexico, do it in Beverly Hills, or Palm Springs.
The police in Beverly Hills and Palm Springs can actually be fired for their incompetence, and are far more politically accountable than in the Bay Area.
One would hope so. Of course, if you're not planning to remain in the jurisdiction with the car, this might not be much of a problem.
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Thatâ(TM)s why they said to put your plates on it. Dumbas.
You post anonymous to tell apk to man up and not post ac? With a reply like yours apk doesn't have to try make you look dumb. You are dumb.
10k miles on a new car, and not a single oil change. What a way to ruin an engine during the critical break-in period (pun not intended) yeah, the car is forever fucked
Actually, many car companies, one of them Honda, have a specially formulated "break-in" oil put in at the factory. Buyers are told to make sure to drive on this oil for its entire life (until they get down to like 3-5% "useful life" per their maintenance minder iirc). Honda's oil is a synthetic blend.
My 2004 Accord lists 10,000 miles as the normal oil change interval for maintenance per the owner's manual, even after break-in.
The idea cars need their oil changed every 3000 miles has not been valid in quite awhile, but continues to be pushed by quick-lube businesses.
How much does Lyft know about the drivers' actual vehicle as opposed to what the driver tells Lyft?
Lyft tells you the make model and license plate number of every car that comes to pick you up. They can match that stuff EASILY. There's no excuse for them to say they can't match it.
Of course, if you're not planning to remain in the jurisdiction with the car, this might not be much of a problem.
It is a problem. If the police are competent, they will rapidly get the stolen car into the system, so that other police will know it is stolen if they pull over the driver for some other infraction ... which is common since car thieves tend to be stupid thrill seekers. You don't have to catch every thief every time, even a 10% arrest rate is enough to deter theft. That national rate is about 15%. The Bay Area is about half that.
I realise that searching for a value in such a DB is painfully slow. But it is still possible. Or at least, should be.
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Depends on the car thief...
Those who get caught are generally the joyriders, the serious car thieves who are doing it for profit are far less likely to do anything that will get them pulled over.
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Or some other lesser known transport company.
People are usually ignoring vehicles that are tagged as taxis, cop cars, postal cars and other similar vehicles that can have random legitimate business in the neighborhood while keeping a watch on any car that's not considered normal.
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A stolen and unrecovered car is easy. The insurance company totals it and pays out.
A stolen car recovered but damaged is easy. Insurance company figures out how much it would cost to repair the damage, and pays that.
A stolen car recovered which has only been depreciated by logging 11,000 miles? How do you calculate that? Depreciation is not fixed per mile. Depreciation from 2,000 to 13,000 miles is a lot more than depreciation from 42,000 to 53,000 miles, even though both are 11,000 miles worth of depreciation.. The actual value the owner loses depends on when he sells the car. If he sells it immediately, the sale value will reflect depreciation from 2,000 to 13,000 miles If he continues to use it for a few years before selling it, the depreciation will be for 42,000 to 53,00 miles. Which one does the insurance company pay out?
It depends on the car engine and the oil. (YMMV)
You can already be doing engine damage at the 2500 mile point or 5 months with regular 10W30 or 5W30 oil. If you change the oil yourself you can prove this by comparing the old oil to the new. Black sludge and burnt smelling vs really slippery, almost clear and non-distinct but still kind of oil smell. And no, it's not a necessarily a problem with the engine, just "older technology" behaving as expected. *if coolant in the oil is contributing to the nastiness, then it is an engine problem, obviously.
The lost value between 2,000 and 13,000 miles, obviously.
Even if the owner then puts N additional miles on it, and the value difference between N+2000 vs N+13000 is less, you also are accounting for the owner getting less enjoyment and needing more maintenance on a car with the additional miles vs a brand new one. The price difference between 2,000 and 13,000 miles automatically includes all those secondary effects.
The fact that depreciation for 11,000 miles of usage is not constant doesn't matter here, because it is known exactly which 11,000 miles were unauthorized.
The insurance company probably already paid the claim after four months. In that case they'd typically allow the original owner to buy it back (unlikely since they probably bought some other car by now) and, failing that, the insurance company would now own the car with a salvage title. It'll likely go to auction and might end up at a low end used car lot or parted out. Not too different from the fate of your average stolen car after all.
Probably before.
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Which one does the insurance company pay out?
They're an insurance company so the answer is obviously neither. You have your car back, undamaged, so they're betting you won't bother suing to recover the lost value from depreciation. Even if you do, they already keep lawyers on retainer so their costs don't even increase. Meanwhile, good luck finding a lawyer who'll work on contingency for whatever paltry sum you'd be likely to get in a judgement in your favor.
Changing the oil every 5 minutes seems to be a purely American thing. It'd only happen at an annual service in the UK for most cars.
Right there
Where does it say anything about the oil?
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I guess you can tell that this car,
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Got lifted
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In other news, Law enforcement were asked how it's possible for a stolen car to drive 11,000 miles around town without being spotted. Number plate recognition vendors were contacted, but none responded to our requests.
I only do mine annually because I drive 20k miles every year.
"Not only did someone steal our car, they made money off it!"
Riiight. They should have stolen the car and donated it to a charity, that would have been better.
Imagine, being so selfish as to steal a car in hopes of turning a profit on the crime! Perhaps they should instead consider themselves as job creators, not crime victims. Personally I'm impressed the thief was that industrious, opting ot use the car rather than sell it to a chop shop.
Ken
The insurance company likely settled long before the stolen car was recovered - I can't imagine leaving a car theft victim hanging for 4 months before settling. It's possible, but very, very unlikely - I suspect they pay for a loaner car for a week or two, then you get a check and sign over the car title to the insurance company. If you have a loan, the insurance company settles with the lender, and the lender gives you back whatever equity you have left.
Ken
Maybe in San Francisco the car thieves are predominantly illegal/undocumented aliens, so rather than appear racist and xenophobic they just let stolen cars go as part of their sanctuary city policies?
This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've heard all year.
So I never owned a car in the UK, but do the engines there have different service intervals? Is there some difference because of the typically smaller engines in the UK?
Our old Focus had a 5k service interval that required an oil change, but it had a 2.3l engine that wasn't available in the UK (where folk might balk at 23 miles to the US gallon).
If they had a loan, let's hope they also had gap cover, because an almost new car was worth a lot less than they would have paid for it just a couple of months previously. And, unfortunately for them, all they would get from an insurer is enough to buy a replacement second-hand car.
They'd also be significant losers if they made a substantial down-payment. Gap insurance would pay of a loan for the full value of a new car, but if they'd put down 30% (perhaps as a result of a trade-in), their insurer would pay off the loan and give them a tiny amount back.
I have never changed the oil when recommended My Honda civic is driven 10 k miles per year, and all I do is top up the oil, when necessary. I do change the air filter annually. I use the standard grade of oil that one gets at Walmart
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they both peppered their fleets with stolen cars, hidden until safe to drive, they got it down to a science and now it is going to take even better science to bust them at it
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10k miles on a new car, and not a single oil change. What a way to ruin an engine during the critical break-in period (pun not intended) yeah, the car is forever fucked
If it had synthetic oil, then the car is probably ok. Some synthetic oil can take you 15k miles before needing a change.
Even with conventional oil it's probably fine. Newer cars are much better at keeping oil in the right conditions so it doesn't break down. My wife's Ford has an algorithm that tells her when to change the oil. It goes over 10k miles between oil changes on a regular basis.
Sure, it was in the break in period. I believe Honda is one of the few manufacturers that still do that. However, any metal from the break in process is likely caught in the filter.
The diesel oil I work with usually needs to be changed because it starts to become too acidic. Even if the oil was past it's change interval, it would take quite a while for the acids to dissolve a significant amount of material.
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It's not that "big" engine cars are unknown here though. Although I've never been around anything bigger than 3.0 (a BMW 330ci back when the 30 meant 30) to find out.
My current car is an ecoboost Fiesta and that's 12,500 or annual.
Yeah, my car specifically recommends not changing it until the oil condition monitor alerts, which it says will likely be about every 20k miles.
Yeah, it's a synthetic.
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