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Russia Is Accusing the US of 'Direct Interference' In Its Elections (businessinsider.com)

schwit1 shares a report from Business Insider (alternative source): Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova on Tuesday accused the U.S. of a "direct interference in our electoral process and internal affairs" following the State Department's criticism of Russia's decision to bar opposition leader Alexey Navalny from running in the upcoming presidential election against Vladimir Putin. "This State Department statement, which I'm sure will be repeated, is a direct interference in our electoral process and internal affairs," Zakharova wrote Tuesday on Facebook. In a statement shared with Business Insider on Tuesday night, a State Department spokesperson expressed concern over the Russian government's "ongoing crackdown against independent voices, from journalists to civil society activists and opposition politicians." "These actions indicate the Russian government has failed to protect space in Russia for the exercise of human rights and fundamental freedoms," the statement said. "More broadly, we urge the government of Russia to hold genuine elections that are transparent, fair, and free and that guarantee the free expression of the will of the people, consistent with its international human rights obligations." Zakharova pushed back. "And these people expressed outrage over alleged Russian 'interference' in their electoral process for an entire year?!" she said.

"Pointing out that the Kremlin is interfering in its own election is not interference," adds schwit1.


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  1. bad for you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    As usual, things are only bad when other people do them to you. But are fine when you do them to them.

    1. Re:bad for you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As usual, things are only bad when other people do them to you. But are fine when you do them to them.

      Making public, fully attributed, on the record press statements isn't even remotely like what Russia has been doing to other countries. Its basically the opposite.

      The way I see it, the most interesting part of this story is Putin getting his panties in a twist over such a small thing. It reveals that, contrary to all of the shirtless photos of him performing as the most manly strong-man on the planet, he's actually deeply insecure about his position on top of the throne over there. And really, he ought to be.

      Putin served as a way for the corrupt-as-fuck Yeltsin to get off the throne without losing his head in the process, but who is going to do that for Putin? His corruption has grown 100x worse than Yeltsin. He's looted the country so much that he's now the richest man on the planet. Nobody is going to sign up to cover for him because there is no upside, you can't get much richer than Putin already is. But you can get deader.

  2. Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are russian elections? I thought it was all rigged in the first place.

    1. Re:Wait... by Freischutz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can vote for Putin, the dead guy, or the guy who isn't allowed to run.

      ...and the pustule riddled guy in the wheelchair who glows in the dark because he forgot to scan his food with a geiger counter.

    2. Re: Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The US and Russia are frighteningly similar. Both are authoritarian states which likes to pretend they are not, both have a population which is heavily indoctrinated "to love their country", do as you're told, ask no questions and never question the ruling class or political system.

      Not that I'd expect you to admit to it, or even recognize it though.

    3. Re: Wait... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Both are authoritarian states which likes to pretend they are not

      America is not authoritarian. You may want to look up what the word means.

      Russia is openly authoritarian, and does not pretend otherwise.

      both have a population which is heavily indoctrinated "to love their country"

      So does every other country ever.

  3. Re:Pot, Kettle, Black by dasgoober · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not the heat. Putin wants to maintain the *illusion* that he won in fair elections.

  4. Huh? by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Pointing out that the Kremlin is interfering in its own election is not interference," adds schwit1.

    Of course it is. But, it's entirely aboveboard, unlike the secret (at the time) Russian interference.

    That's not to say the US isn't doing their own dirty tricks in secret, but that's not what the article is about.

    --
    "National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
  5. Re:Making a "statement" constitutes interference? by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Kind of how asking certain questions can be racist, sexist, or xenophobic. Actually not 'kind of like,' but rather 'exactly like.' Allow me to illustrate with an example near and dear to the KGB:
    Alice: The CIA invented AIDS to kill black people!
    Bob: What evidence do you have of that?
    Alice: Racist!! Believe the victims!!1!!one

  6. Re: Pot, Kettle, Black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We did...

  7. Re:Making a "statement" constitutes interference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    According to the Democrats, truths told about your candidate is considered divisive and constitutes interference.

    So either both of these acts are interference, or neither of them are.

  8. Re:Internal affairs by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Newsflash: Most countries try to influence other countries, and they do it in a lot more ways that social media and fake news. This has only become 'news' because certain people feel the need to believe this past US election was somehow different. Sad bunch of morons.

  9. Re:A joke by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Haven't the Russian people suffered enough?

  10. Re:Pot, Kettle, Black by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Arguably, Russia's involvement in the US elections was aimed at this goal, at least in part. It has long been Russia's intent to smear the "great experiement" that is the United States of America's democracy; claims that the US is as corrupt and venal as anyone else have been part and parcel of their dialog for nearly a century.

    This is not only an attempt to weaken the US but also to make Russia's own politics look better in comparison. After all, if the United States - long champion of democracy - can't ensure honest elections, it is hardly fair to expect any other nation to do so either. Putin's own political maneuverings were suspect long before 2016. While Navalny, an anti-corruption activist isn't expected to win in the 2018 Russian elections, he has gathered a sizeable following who threaten Putin's absolute power. They will be very suspicious of Putin's victory, even were it completely on the up-and-up (which, it is widely believed, will not be).

    But by casting blame on the US, Putin can misdirect the blame; if the US can't secure their own elections from foreign influence, it's no surprise if poor impoverished Russia is even more vulnerable. Thus, if Putin wins /despite/ such influence, it only further legitimizes his victory.

  11. Re: Pot, Kettle, Black by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Those approval ratings are apparently genuine.

    I know several Russians. They all generally approve of Putin, say he has made them "proud to be Russian", and given them back their self respect after the implosion of their empire and economy during the 1990s. And these are cosmopolitan Russians that regularly travel to the West. He is even more popular in the rural oblasts. Russians are proud of the way he stood up to America, and prevailed, over Crimea, the Donbas, and in Syria.

    So then why does he have to inhibit competition?

    Because he may not always be so popular. Also his popularity is not transferable. His deputies and cronies are nowhere near as popular as he is. If they allow a real contested election this time, they will be expected to do the same when Putin is no longer around.

  12. Re: Pot, Kettle, Black by Uberbah · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We know the mantra: no evidence, MSM lies, Hillary is Satan. Nice job trying to preempt calls of whataboutery and being a Kremlin troll but of course that doesn't mean they're false.

    That's exactly what it means. Russiagaters have had more than a year to put up or STFU up on their claims. Until you guys offer more evidence to back up your claims than the flat earthers/chem trailers/birthers/antivaxxers do, you are just as full of shit as they are.

    Eh.

    Vi.

    Dence.