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Facebook's Uneven Enforcement of Hate Speech Rules Allows Vile Posts To Stay Up (propublica.org)

ProPublica has found inconsistent rulings on hate speech after analyzing more than 900 Facebook posts submitted to them as part of a crowd-sourced investigation into how the world's largest social network implements its hate-speech rules. "Based on this small fraction of Facebook posts, its content reviewers often make different calls on items with similar content, and don't always abide by the company's complex guidelines," reports ProPublica. "Even when they do follow the rules, racist or sexist language may survive scrutiny because it is not sufficiently derogatory or violent to meet Facebook's definition of hate speech." From the report: We asked Facebook to explain its decisions on a sample of 49 items, sent in by people who maintained that content reviewers had erred, mostly by leaving hate speech up, or in a few instances by deleting legitimate expression. In 22 cases, Facebook said its reviewers had made a mistake. In 19, it defended the rulings. In six cases, Facebook said the content did violate its rules but its reviewers had not actually judged it one way or the other because users had not flagged it correctly, or the author had deleted it. In the other two cases, it said it didn't have enough information to respond.

"We're sorry for the mistakes we have made -- they do not reflect the community we want to help build," Facebook Vice President Justin Osofsky said in a statement. "We must do better." He said Facebook will double the size of its safety and security team, which includes content reviewers and other employees, to 20,000 people in 2018, in an effort to enforce its rules better. He added that Facebook deletes about 66,000 posts reported as hate speech each week, but that not everything offensive qualifies as hate speech. "Our policies allow content that may be controversial and at times even distasteful, but it does not cross the line into hate speech," he said. "This may include criticism of public figures, religions, professions, and political ideologies."

171 comments

  1. Re:We need to brutally murder nazi traitor faggots by Z80a · · Score: 4, Insightful

    By my definition you are a nazi, so time to bludgeon you to death with a baby seal.

  2. Re:We need to brutally murder nazi traitor faggots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are straight nazis okay in your book or just the "faggot" ones?

  3. do it by BrandonGinn · · Score: 1

    censor all the things

  4. Use more SJW and help support big government by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The US university system graduates so many SJW every year. They would enjoy the feeling of power to censor the internet for a social media company.

    Just list all the terms, music, art, culture, music/movie reviews, cartoons, blasphemy to be de ranked, banned and removed.

    SJW can also report users, accounts, art work, history to EU and US law enforcement too.
    Just hire a lot more SJW and let them censor social media.
    Social media's got what governments crave. They crave censorship. It's got social justice.

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    1. Re:Use more SJW and help support big government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      To be fair SJWs worming their way into worthwhile positions are few (compared with how many get their "degrees".) Most end up serving coffee to people of actual worth, or writing fake news for free as interns while living in the places their hard working moms and dads' bought or rented for them.

  5. Remove Illegal, Leave The Rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anything else means that you're getting in the way of somebody's Freedom of Speech.

    In fact, it might be nice to know that Fred Bloggs can't go three posts without using the N-word.
    It will inform me when I'm making decisions about who to invite to a party, recommend for a job opening, etc.

    1. Re:Remove Illegal, Leave The Rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agree 100%. It's really unfair to SJWs how this thing works. Their speech gets left alone and so employers can only filter them out and not the nazies that get censored.

    2. Re:Remove Illegal, Leave The Rest by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      "Remove illegal"

      I'm sorry, what?

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    3. Re: Remove Illegal, Leave The Rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kittens. Keep the kittens.

    4. Re:Remove Illegal, Leave The Rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't get to make decisions goy.

    5. Re:Remove Illegal, Leave The Rest by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      And yet, posts on Facebook don't qualify for any Constitutional "freedom of speech" protections. Facebook wasn't formed by Congress, and that is the entity referred to in the Bill of Rights. They don't even receive and government funding, so technically they can censor anyone they want. That would probably be a really bad business decision, but totally legal.

    6. Re:Remove Illegal, Leave The Rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      me chuckle

    7. Re:Remove Illegal, Leave The Rest by jon3k · · Score: 2

      At what point do we admit that Facebook (which also owns Instagram and WhatsApp) has a monopoly on social media and require government intervention? My (probably naive, incorrect) understanding of the laws in US vs EU is that in the US they must abuse their market position to harm other companies but in the EU merely having a monopoly could invite government intervention.

      Personally I couldn't care less, I'm 35 and I haven't logged into Facebook in years and everyone younger than me is using it even less.

    8. Re:Remove Illegal, Leave The Rest by computational+super · · Score: 2

      Maybe, just maybe, the concept of "hate speech" is so vague that no two people will ever agree on what it constitutes, so nobody should be removing anything for violating it? Nah, that's just crazy talk, take down everything that somebody disagrees with.

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    9. Re:Remove Illegal, Leave The Rest by RedK · · Score: 2

      And yet, posts on Facebook don't qualify for any Constitutional "freedom of speech" protections.

      He said "Freedom of Speech", not "1st Amendment rights". You silly people are so quick to say "Private entities don't have to support Free Speech!" based only on the Constitution. It's almost like you hate actual free speech.

      Freedom of Speech is an old concept, dates back to Ancient History. The question is, do we as consumers value it enough to force our service providers to adhere to it through our wallets, and should service providers recognize it and support it on their platforms as a selling point ?

      Or would you rather live in a world with corporate controlled speech.

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      Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
    10. Re:Remove Illegal, Leave The Rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They dont have to respect freedom of speech, but they should. They still violate it, even though they are not under constitutional mandate

    11. Re:Remove Illegal, Leave The Rest by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      Well, seeing as Facebook is a "free" product to the general population, that makes it pretty much impossible to use the wallet to force them to do anything. They "sell" their user's data to advertisers...in that regard, this "hate speech" is just as valuable as any other as it helps potential advertisers narrow down their target market promotionals. As someone who has taken several college-level marketing and promotion classes, I think that this is the real reason why FB isn't hard-core in their "policing" of content; and also why they are so keen on enforcement of their "real name" policy (so as to tie users to back-end data set profiles to sell). They are only doing ANY policing because they recently got hauled in from of Congress; censorship of any kind isn't part of their business plan and actually costs them profit in both staff to monitor and a smaller data set.

    12. Re:Remove Illegal, Leave The Rest by schitso · · Score: 1

      "N-word" is such a cop-out. Just say n*gger (thanks, Slashdot, for forcing censorship!)--you're already implying it to everyone that reads your comment.

      Also a big thanks to /. for their "lameness" filter automatically blocking my submission. Those scary words sure are better off blocked! Someone might be offended, after all, which is literally the worst thing that can happen to a white, upper/middle-class woman.

  6. It's a hard problem by HiThere · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not saying that Facebook is making a good faith effort to solve the problem. I've never looked at it, so I have no idea. I'm saying that the problem as stated is a hard problem. It's easy to, say, ban certain particular words, but that doesn't accomplish very much.

    I'm not sure that the problem as stated could be addressed by anything much short of a human equivalent AI, and even that would only allow some particular set of standards to be applied uniformly. It sure couldn't guarantee that the standards were fair.

    As an example consider the text "You with a donkey's member!" This is apparently a violently abusive comment, but that depends on context that isn't present. I'm sure I could come up with a context where that would be encouragement. And every single word in that sentence is perfectly harmless. Or what about "Pepe the frog"? That was intended to be a humorous children's cartoon character....but it didn't stay that way, much to the annoyance of the creator.

    That said, the evidence seems to support the assertion that Facebook encourages hateful posts, and is more reluctant to censor nazi-ish posts than those with an opposing message. Again, I have no direct evidence for this as I never visit that site, and am relying on material published by others.

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    1. Re:It's a hard problem by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 0

      As an example consider the text "You with a donkey's member!" This is apparently a violently abusive comment,

      Proof positive that the snowflake generation needs to lighten the hell up. Violently abusive? Really?

    2. Re:It's a hard problem by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Facebook doesn't seem to have any particular political bias. TFA says they removed a comment stating "men are trash", for example.

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    3. Re:It's a hard problem by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      TFA says they removed a comment stating "men are trash", for example.

      Ha! I recently got blocked by a woman in a polya group shortly after telling her that it wasn't just men running out on families any more (even though mine did) and immediately after she told me "men are trash it's not my fault". I hope that's the comment they are talking about :)

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    4. Re:It's a hard problem by BoogieChile · · Score: 1

      > "You with a donkey's member!"

      It's nice that I give that impression, thank you,. but it's really not that big...

    5. Re:It's a hard problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      facebook promotes illegal lunch mobs and hate against men.

    6. Re:It's a hard problem by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

      The problem with AI is someone has to program it, program the patterns for it to recognize. It's already been shown that many algorithms are developing racial biases. So most likely an AI would only go much faster, but not be much more accurate...at least at first.

    7. Re:It's a hard problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The original Pepe looked pretty adult-oriented to me. OK, adolescent-oriented.

    8. Re:It's a hard problem by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Thank you. An excellent example of re-framing the context.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    9. Re:It's a hard problem by HiThere · · Score: 1

      If it's an actual AI, the bias is not caused by the programming, but rather by the training data set. As to whether it would be more accurate, that's a separate problem from either consistent or fair. My assertion was that it could be more consistent, but that this wouldn't imply it would be fairer. Accurate is a yet more difficult problem when dealing with people, and it's one that human level intelligences have yet to solve.

      To be fair, "fairness" is only a solved problem in the opinion of the person doing the judging. But accuracy is even harder, as most people realize that they don't really know what someone else meant, and sometimes realize that they didn't know what they, themselves, meant.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    10. Re:It's a hard problem by HiThere · · Score: 1

      If you say so. I never knowingly saw any image of it. I was operating off an article about how annoyed the artist was with the misappropriation of his work.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  7. Re:We need to brutally murder nazi traitor faggots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your definition of nazi is your own faggot ass. Admit it.

  8. Uneven by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Arbitrary, subjective rules can never be enforced fairly. Create more objective criteria, or stop moderating altogether and let people do their own blocking like adults.

  9. 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook and trump are both going down in flames in 2018.

    You heard it here first.

    1. Re: 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The liberal hollywood horndogs are going down in flames. As they were mostly Hillary supporters, it's hard to coorelate it to Trump unless you want to give him the credit for taking down a whole network of sexist bastards.

    2. Re: 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean creepy Jews like Harvey Weinstein?

    3. Re: 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wait for Trump doj to string up all the pedos in high profile places

    4. Re: 2018 by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0, Troll

      It will certainly be refreshing to finally see Trump strung up where he belongs.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    5. Re: 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't wait to see Trump's DoJ prosecute Oblamer and Killary and toss them under the prison.

    6. Re: 2018 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It just bothers the hell out of you that Trump can't be bought, says what he thinks, isn't a Hollywood pedo, and just generally does what he thinks is right, doesn't it?

  10. having an imperfect filter is good for Facebook. by maybe111 · · Score: 1

    It means that they can filter whatever they want and blame it on the "automated" filter....

  11. Calling bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Publish the "49 items" so we may judge for ourselves what it is that you deem "hate speech." Otherwise fuck off.

  12. I miss Usenet by mrsam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There was nothing comparable to that -- no bureaucracy that needed to employ a small army to act as a thought police, enforcing vaguely-defined thoughtcrime. There were just a few, content-neutral rules one had to follow, to post on Usenet. You were free to write anything you wanted, no matter how vulgar or obscene. Complete and unrestricted freedom of speech. You could not be silenced. When some snowflake or a SJW got triggered, too bad, so sad. They could do nothing about it. In its heyday, I had a blast of a time trolling the snowflakes and giving them daily aneurisms. I miss those days.

    Of course, Usenet's still around, if one knows where to find it. And, come to think of it, I think I will. The riff-raff, the millenial snowflakes can have Faceboot, Twatter, and the rest of that junk. They should stay off Usenet. They wouldn't be able to handle it.

    1. Re:I miss Usenet by Pfhorrest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You could be "silenced" on UseNet, with a killfile. But the thing was, killfiles were user-specific. Each user could decide who they wanted to "ban" from the discussion, and to that user, whoever they wanted gone, was gone. Any nobody else had any idea.

      I don't see why modern discussion systems can't implement something like that. Allow people to share "kill-lists" too, so you can get a list of all the known [the-other-side] trolls you don't want to deal with from other people who've had to deal with them. Everyone gets their own personal shadowban button, but it only shadowbans people from that user's perspective. Eliminate anyone you want from your view of the discussion and build your own personal filter bubble if you want. Nobody else will be any the wiser. Nobody gets censored, and anyone who wants to see the shitstorm of unfiltered content can, at their own expense and nobody else's.

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      -Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
      "I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
    2. Re:I miss Usenet by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Block lists have been tried and don't work. They are too easy to circumvent and don't deal with viral posts well. Every user has to build their own from scratch, or if someone shares their list it gets instantly condemned. Then you end up with shitty "internet security" products promising to automate the block list for you, and failing.

      From Facebook's point of view they want people to have a good experience. Telling them that they have to manually block the bullshit isn't exactly a great marketing strategy. As we have seen on Twitter where they do have block lists, they are ineffective anyway.

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    3. Re:I miss Usenet by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      Facebook (et al) can themselves offer prebuilt block lists of known-bad actors (like they already build), and allow people to choose between them, or choose none of them, and of course to make their own modifications to (their copies of) the prebuilt lists once they're picked. It's just like what they're doing now, except you can opt out of it if you want, and also opt into alternatives, and custom configure your own alternatives if you want. The default block list would just be the same list of people currently banned, and so give new users the exact same experience; but other users can choose different experiences if they want to.

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      -Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
      "I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
    4. Re:I miss Usenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awww.... look... AmiMojo compared GamerGate and child porn.

      Shame all the child porn and sexual abuse seems to be conducted by the people who really fucking hated Gamergate and still rant endlessly about it.

      Kinda surprised you haven't been busted yet.

    5. Re:I miss Usenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't say... Amimojo? That SJW cuck? Has he met his daily virtue signaling quota yet? His lady master must be pleased.

    6. Re:I miss Usenet by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Usenet posts could be canceled. That was a message distributed the same way as Usenet posts directing servers to delete another Usenet post (usually after discussion in one of the net-abuse groups). Only admins were authorized to send a cancel notice, and the admin of an individual server didn't have to set it to honor cancel requests (most didn't). But it's not exactly true that Usenet was complete and unrestricted freedom of speech.

    7. Re:I miss Usenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      child porn and GamerGate
       
      Is that like feminists and murders?

    8. Re:I miss Usenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >

      Shame all the child porn and sexual abuse seems to be conducted by the people who really fucking hated Gamergate and still rant endlessly about it.

      Kinda surprised you haven't been busted yet.

      Huh, I didn't realize the Catholic church had a stance on GamerGate.

    9. Re:I miss Usenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I can tell you weren't really a user of usenet. Where 99% of all posts were spam.

    10. Re: I miss Usenet by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Killfiles are not a panacea. The person in question can still reply to posts and everyone else sees it. This leaves open a situation where people who don't know either party read the posts and think that the person in the killfiles made a point to which you have no counter-argument, etc.

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    11. Re:I miss Usenet by computational+super · · Score: 2

      Nah, he hasn't called Donald Trump a nazi in like, 12 hours. He's due for another any minute now.

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    12. Re:I miss Usenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I miss late 90s, early 2000s Slashdot. It was a monkey house of madness and enthusiasm for technology.

      Like most websites its now been populated by nannying safe space Millennials who think being a tech expert means knowing how to use WhatsApp, Facebook AND Instagram.

      I'd normally put my view down to a case of "Get off my lawn", but fuck no... not this time... you guys really are giant pussies.

    13. Re: I miss Usenet by billyswong · · Score: 1

      In this case facebook can do better (while they don't). If facebook users can block someone, with a tick of saying, "I want my blocking of this guy publicly known", then for trolls there will be a tag which people can see oh that guy has been publicly blocked by hundreds or thousands of people. But no, facebook choose to let users to only block/flag/report someone silently, and hold the power to stamp someone "hate speech" solely on the hand of facebook employees.

    14. Re:I miss Usenet by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      Maybe I shouldn't post this here where the snowflakes can see it, but you can get free accounts here. Point your newsreader to their servers and you're in business. No binaries, but if you want those, there are lots of paid services offering them.

      I even have an ebuild for trn in my Portage overlay, if you're using Gentoo. Builds and runs like a champ on x86 and AMD64, at a minimum.

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    15. Re:I miss Usenet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know who you're talking to? He wants you to live by his rules, there is no choice. only what he feels is right.

    16. Re: I miss Usenet by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      That is also a good idea, but the improvement on usenet killfiles I thought you were going to suggest it: modern systems like Facebook are better able to track what is a reply to whom than usenet was, so if you block a user, you can also (optionally) block all replies to that user as well, so you don't see one side of an argument against the trolls, you just don't see the argument at all.

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      "I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
    17. Re:I miss Usenet by slashdotiscompromisd · · Score: 0

      Are you fucking retarded?
      This censorship debate is not about solving problems, it's about causing them.

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  13. Re:Just ask yourself one question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Note to self: Don't become president.

  14. A possible remedy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At first pass, there seems to be an easy way to recognize if one's "Hateful Comment" is truly "offensive" and not a result of one's unconsciously political bias.
    In a nutshell, if one doesn't find the comment hateful when used against their own sacred cows, then it isn't hateful.

    To cite an example in the article which FACEBOOK deleted a post during a "candid discussion of gender issues"

      "...Charro Sebring, which said, “Men really are trash.”

    If the comment had been "Women really are trash" and the complainer found it acceptable within the bounds of the discussion, then it was NOT HATEFUL.

    Realistically, we don't live in a utopia where every perceived transgression is instantly recognized and the transgressor objectively punished. I'd hate to have NOMADS running around saying "Sterilize Imperfection ... STERILIZE!!!"

  15. Re:We need to brutally murder nazi traitor faggots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You want to kill gay people?

  16. Jesus stop it already by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One left-wing troll story after another. Are you retards trying to hit your quote before the year is up or are is the supervision on their Christmas vacation this week?

    1. Re:Jesus stop it already by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0, Troll

      So you would prefer that people can just post what they like and others deal with it... Except "left wing troll" stories that upset you.

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    2. Re:Jesus stop it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you like writing statements that seem like a question but aren't...

      To make it clear, he didn't give an opinion on freedom of speech/censorship. He didn't say that "left wing troll" stories should be censored in any way or form.

      He did mock what he considers "left-wing troll" "retards".

    3. Re:Jesus stop it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your SJW bullshit is forcing us to side with Right Wing Nutjobs. Congratulation!

      Keep up the good work!

    4. Re:Jesus stop it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There again with the St John Wingdings and the weird acronyms. If there's no manpage for it, spell it out or go to some other site for people who don't know what a manpage is.

    5. Re:Jesus stop it already by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      Are you retards trying to hit your quote before the year is up or are is the supervision on their Christmas vacation this week?

      s/Christmas/winter/

      That's how they'd want it, after all. :-P

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    6. Re:Jesus stop it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's offering his opinion on what's being posted, not trying to use authority to silence the poster.

    7. Re:Jesus stop it already by slashdotiscompromisd · · Score: 0

      The media is all controlled centrally. The banks give free money to their loyalists to buy out popular independent publications. The banksters hand down directives of narrative.

      Just like they direct most education and most politics. Their stooges that they printed money for rule on their behalf.

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  17. A crowd sourced investigation by Patent+Lover · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How scientific.

    1. Re:A crowd sourced investigation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you questioning the wisdom of a mob? Mob rule is a great foundation for civilization. Now, believe this fact or we'll burn you at the stake!

  18. Usenet, IRC, XMPP, even MU*s... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They are all dying.

    I have been poking around into a few communities I used to visit or knew people in, and visiting a few communities I didn't visit back when they were fresh and new. Almost all of them have waning activity. The largest active IRC now seems to be freenode, and mostly in the developer channels, combined with #hardware. 2600's irc is dead. IRC2P on I2P has about 20-30 regulars, spread across the i2p developer channels, #salt, and the russian/chinese channels and is otherwise dead. MU* communities that used to have playerbases in the hundreds connected range are now down to 100 at their peak, other than 1-2 cybersex themed MU*s. The older or mismanaged ones having 3-5 players, usually not even staff connected to them anymore.

    XMPP is similiar. Despite every major messaging app, except maybe Slack having been founded/based on XMPP, no end users know or care about that anymore, instead claiiming they are 'private' because some social media hype claimed it so.

    Result of all this, the techies who were middle aged during the 80s-90s are all retiring out of online activity, except for a few die-hards. The younger crowd is migrating to social media or hype based faux privacy networks because that is what their friends are doing. The millenials and younger are using whatever service all their friends are lemmings-ing to, and those of us who are left are having a hard time finding which legacy services still have the participation to reward our time.

    1. Re:Usenet, IRC, XMPP, even MU*s... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IRC kind of hurt itself because of its questionable channel op system that allowed for people just becuase they got the name first to run the thing like a tyrant and that the thing is basically full of antisocial jerks who dont believe in free speech and feel the need to silence those they dont like and actually prevent it from being used for real discussion. I dont know why people go into chat rooms if they are antisocial and dont want to chat. It seems like they are there mainly just to satisfy their own sociopathic need to control something. So lots of big egos abusing stupid channel op system. So IRC was never a good freedom of speech model, which would have excluded oping becuase its abused. Yes I hear the argument for it but it creates a worse problem.

  19. Some of the most vile postings I've seen on FB by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 5, Interesting

    have been directed toward conservatives or others who don't mindlessly toe the party line. Strangely, those all seem to stay up. If you want to talk about uneven enforcement, how about starting there?

    1. Re:Some of the most vile postings I've seen on FB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ALL of Twitter.

    2. Re:Some of the most vile postings I've seen on FB by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's amusing that you posted this head-in-the-sand gem a full 18 minutes after the AC post right above yours. If you don't see the same and far worse on FB on a daily basis, you've achieved a purified echo chamber indeed.

    3. Re:Some of the most vile postings I've seen on FB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since this is so prevalent, we're all interested in your links to examples. Shouldn't be hard for you to provide, after all. Thx.

    4. Re:Some of the most vile postings I've seen on FB by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ah, I get it. So you don't even participate in FB, have no basis to believe that what I'm saying is untrue, pretend it didn't just play out right in front of you here, and yet accuse me of making it all up. That's some chutzpah.

    5. Re:Some of the most vile postings I've seen on FB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can see why you switched sides! Obviously the focus on tolerance, respect and politeness of the Democrat Party appealed to you greatly!

    6. Re:Some of the most vile postings I've seen on FB by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I want to add that if anyone finds their opinion exactly matching either party platform, then you are either demented or have some kind of Stockholm syndrome. The party platforms of both parties were made by a series of compromises, designed to appeal to a broad spectrum of ideologies, change often, and thus can be contradictory from time to time.

      Anyone who strictly follows either party platform is a tool.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    7. Re:Some of the most vile postings I've seen on FB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, start taking down all posts of those who don't mindlessly toe the party line? Was that the point?

    8. Re:Some of the most vile postings I've seen on FB by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      Conservatives, by definition, "toe the party line". To oppose it would be iconoclastic, and conservatives are anything but that.

      --
      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
    9. Re:Some of the most vile postings I've seen on FB by Trondheim · · Score: 1

      ....aaaannnddd you just proved the point.

    10. Re:Some of the most vile postings I've seen on FB by hyades1 · · Score: 0

      It's a sad truth that reporting accurately and objectively on the activities of conservatives is often perceived by them to be "vile" and unfair. They tend to get upset when the happy face they try to paint on what they are doing is allowed to stand unchallenged.

      Examples of this unfortunate situation are legion. I can go all the way back to when Ronald Reagan's administration tried to avoid meeting even the minimal nutrition requirements of a school lunch program by re-defining ketchup as a vegetable. The administration was deeply angered when this attempt was reported fully and accurately in the news media because average Americans correctly concluded that such a measure was morally repugnant.

      --
      I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
  20. Re: FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod parent up. Between funny or interesting. Kudos to slashdot for not censoring

  21. Re:Just ask yourself one question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Note to self...
    Don't destroy ISIS
    Don't give middle class workers a tax cut
    Don't increase GDP over 3%, higher than Obama did any time over 8 years
    Don't prosecute illegals that kill Americans
    Don't protect VA whistle-blowers that are trying to help veterans
    Don't bring back Americans jailed overseas, such as shoplifting basketball players

    I don't think your advice is very good.

  22. Oh the vility! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    I had to look that up. Seems to exist, so don't hate me for it...

    --
    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  23. Hate speech does not exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Repeat after me:

    "Hate speech" does not exist.

    It is a line of bullshit used by some people to attempt to justify silencing other people they don't agree with while also trying to cementing themselves in the "right side of history" camp. There is no hate speech exception to the First Amendment nor to the concept of freedom of speech in general. What constitutes "hate speech" depends on who defines it, so in a decade it could easily hang the people currently trying to hang others with it.

    Note that threats are not "hate speech," they have their own category and if the threats are credible they are also illegal in practically every jurisdiction.

    1. Re: Hate speech does not exist by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. All people who say hate speech doesn't exist should be rounded up and put to death in a gas chamber.

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  24. Lawsuits a coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By taking down posts, in the absence of government law, and clear unambigous written government law, passed by politicians in a legislature, Facebook is denying my rights.

    My rights have written laws. And there are lots of "free speech" precedents too.

    Facebook is not empowered to enforce the law, without a trial, or a clear formal appeal process -- and inconsistently.

    If I was a right wing agitator, I would use the word "biased" instead of "inconsistent"

    Facebook will
    1) Shutdown
    2) Be sued into oblivion
    3) Post everything. IF the governments want to censor, let the government be the repressive jackboot of the face forever free speech killers.

    This is the end game. Bets?

    It is not complicated. It is not different this time. There is no new ground here.

    1. Re:Lawsuits a coming by Chas · · Score: 2

      No. Because FB is a private entity. They're not the government.

      As such, they're under NO legal compulsion to provide you with an unrestricted venue for airing your thoughts.

      And FB isn't "enforcing the law". They're enforcing their "terms of service". Which they are free to set in any manner they see fit.

      This being said, "Hate Speech" doesn't actually exist. And if it does, it exists under the purview of free speech.
      It's NOT illegal to hate someone and say so.

      Also, most of these platforms provide AMPLE controls for blocking content if people don't wish to see it.
      But various people are too lazy.
      And then there's the authoritarians. Who DO want to control your speech and how you think.
      All these people are going to yammer at FB for "DO SOMETHING!" that they're ALREADY perfectly capable of doing FOR THEMSELVES.

      Ultimately, they're going to figure out what the Founding Fathers understood intrinsically.
      You simply CANNOT control speech. All attempts eventually become too cumbersome and fail.
      Either by beating down the censors to the point where such things are abandoned.
      Or by simply diverting so much effort from running the company that it eventually causes the company to fold.

      --


      Chas - The one, the only.
      THANK GOD!!!
    2. Re:Lawsuits a coming by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re 'This is the end game. Bets?"
      Big federal governments, state and local governments like social media to get in their virtue signalling.
      Buy enough ads and social media SJW will report accounts an users to any government to show support for a nations laws and culture.
      Communist governments, dictatorships and theocracies know if they buy ads they can gain influence on social media policy.
      SJW like social media as they can report and ban users.
      So social media will always have its supporters and be assured of ad funds from big brands and investors.

      The average user who gets banned by big government supporting SJW will take their daily usage to sites that support freedom of speech and freedom after speech.
      Big US social media brands with all the SJW censorship will ensure US Social media becomes really boring.
      Daily news about big gov, products, services, big US brands. A few SJW supported news links. An ad to visit some nation ruled by a monarchy that invested in US social media.

      Social media will remove all movie reviews, book reviews, history, art, culture, political comments.
      Social media will be like paying tax. Some site that has to be used to interact with gov, big brands, ads. SJW will watch and report on every comment, question, link, new account.
      All very boring and full of SJW.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    3. Re:Lawsuits a coming by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      That depends if the comments are for federal gov, state or local government officials.
      Once the private sector inserts itself between gov and the citizens it has to allow freedom of speech given its role in been a portal for local, city, federal gov.
      Social media activist SJW cant just ban users for trying to petition their Government for a redress of grievances. The government selected a social media site to be their digital portal.
      That reduces the ability to say they are 100% private sector and can ban account, users, comments, remove news.
      Then its like been banned by a government for freedom of speech by a private sector site that allows comments about government policy.
      Terms of service stop when accepting government interaction starts.
      A lot of comments also have to be kept for FOIA and as part of the official record. Gov officials cannot just ask a social media SJW to remove all negative comments to m make their gov, city, state look better. Each and every comment could be considered part of the a citizen interacting with their government.
      If social media wanted to keep its own private sector restrictive "Terms of service" SJW rules then do not become a local and national portal for government.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    4. Re:Lawsuits a coming by Chas · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but you're incorrect.

      Regardless of whether the person and the government official are both using the social media platform, they are still both subject to the whim of the platform provider. NEITHER are OWED service. And even if they insert themselves between the two parties, it's still THEIR platform, not a platform controlled by either of the two parties. 1A protections simply don't apply.

      If you want a real-world analog.

      Guy meets government official in a coffee shop.
      Owner of the coffee shop kicks the guy out because he's screaming profanity and hurling epithets, disrupting business.
      This inhibits his ability to communicate with the government official.
      But it's STILL not a 1A violation.

      --


      Chas - The one, the only.
      THANK GOD!!!
  25. Is it me? by Hentai007 · · Score: 1

    Or has the comment section here been more cesspool-y in the last few weeks?

    1. Re:Is it me? by invalid_user · · Score: 1

      It's you, Hentai007.

      But seriously, don't want to see people fight back SJWs, don't post SJW stuffs. Have you noticed that just 1 or 2 slashdot users are responsible for 100% of the SJW posts?

    2. Re: Is it me? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      It is you. It has been more "cesspool-y" for much longer than that. You are evidently just noticing.

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    3. Re:Is it me? by RedK · · Score: 1

      Have you noticed that just 1 or 2 slashdot users are responsible for 100% of the SJW posts?

      They're easy to spot too. They actually use the Slashdot Friend/Foe system and so their posts have a little Yellow dot next to their names for me.

      I dunno what was more surprising, seeing that thing being used, or the fact that people I had no idea even existed had found me important enough to flag.

      --
      "Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
      Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
    4. Re: Is it me? by Hentai007 · · Score: 1

      Eh there is a difference between âoefighting sjwsâ and calling for the extermination of people... it was like a few threads in a row and I wondered if the 8chan crowd was hitting /. For some reason...

    5. Re: Is it me? by invalid_user · · Score: 1

      What do you mean "calling for the extermination of people"?
      Like those
      "Let's band together to kill all men"
      or
      "All I want for Christmas is white genocide"?
      that proliferate mainstream academia/media?

      If so, then golly, you are right and I must have missed them since I browse at +1.

      How I miss those days when not everyone is a Nazi... where there are hot grits everywhere, frosty piss in all your base, and the Soviet Russia, caveman Ogg were all still alive.

  26. Inevitable. by Chas · · Score: 1

    This kind of thing is inevitable when you try to police free speech.

    Don't like it? Tough.

    --


    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!
  27. Define hate speech. by Mr307 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to these idiots insults are hate speech:
    http://www.dictionary.com/brow...
    noun
    speech that attacks, threatens, or insults a person or group on the basis of national origin, ethnicity, color, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, or disability.

    Websters seems to have it simplified down to a literal state which could be fine:
    https://www.merriam-webster.co...
    Definition of Hate speech
    : speech expressing hatred of a particular group of people

    Wikipedia is all over the map but at least seems to only report on various countries:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    These people are subjectively confused thinking "any form of expression regarded as offensive":
    https://definitions.uslegal.co...
    Hate Speech Law and Legal Definition
    Hate speech is a communication that carries no meaning other than the expression of hatred for some group, especially in circumstances in which the communication is likely to provoke violence. It is an incitement to hatred primarily against a group of persons defined in terms of race, ethnicity, national origin, gender, religion, sexual orientation, and the like. Hate speech can be any form of expression regarded as offensive to racial, ethnic and religious groups and other discrete minorities or to women.

    These people get it:
    https://www.urbandictionary.co...
      Hate speech
    A highfalutin' way of saying "I disagree with your meticulously-researched, irrefutable facts, so I am going to organize a social media campaign to demonize you and ruin your life. But don't forget to donate to my Patreon."
    Sane, rational human being: "I sure do loves me some grapes!"
    Filthy SJW bacterium: "OMFG GRAPE HAS 'RAPE' IN IT THAT'S HATE SPEECH! RAAAAAAAPE CULTUUUUUURE!"

    Disparaging a social group is hate speech to these people:
    https://www.thefreedictionary....
    hate speech
    n.
    Bigoted speech attacking or disparaging a social group or a member of such a group.

    1. Re:Define hate speech. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who knew that an entire movie is hate speech based upon its insults laced throughout the movie...

      --
      Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
    2. Re:Define hate speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying that there's a reason to allow baseless insults? I don't see the problem with classifying insults as hate speech. Why is that type of material even necessary on a discussion forum when you could instead use reason and logic to back up your arguments.

      If you want insults go send that crap elsewhere. Facebook doesn't suit you? Fine, go write your insults on twitter or write your own shitty app that allows it. It's not that hard.

      It's up to each person to make their own choice. Probably most people don't care to see that crap (and insults, hate speech and other crap is hard to monetize) and Facebook is going to optimize for making money. It's ultimately your choice where to spend your time.

    3. Re:Define hate speech. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's the very reason that hate speech is still protected under the First Amendment despite what some people would like.

      Of course, Facebook, being a private corporation, it free to do whatever it likes as far as enforcement. However, I hope Facebook doesn't get too big. Remember what happened to the last corporation that was "too big". Given the current political lobbying climate, it doesn't seem like Congress would ever rule against a large corporation. But Facebook doesn't make many on the RIght very happy. So, let's just say "be warned".

    4. Re:Define hate speech. by Subm · · Score: 1

      > Websters seems to have it simplified down to a literal state which could be fine:
      > https://www.merriam-webster.co... [merriam-webster.com]
      > Definition of Hate speech
      > : speech expressing hatred of a particular group of people

      This definition says that when Indiana Jones says, "Nazis, I hate these guys," the movie is hate speech.

      Is that what we want?

    5. Re:Define hate speech. by Mr307 · · Score: 1

      Well as a simple and seemingly correct definition I think its fair.

      But in no way shape or form would I ever advocate for it to have a law associated with it, its all too subjective, which was the point of the original post.

      Short of that very literal one, I dont believe there is a reasonable definition of 'hate speech', it would appear to be a tool mostly used to silence discussion, probably for political or dogmatic reasons.

    6. Re:Define hate speech. by Mr307 · · Score: 1

      Yes thats exactly what I am saying, there is a reason to allow baseless insults.

      "The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
      H. L. Mencken

      And you are absolutely correct, I dont use facebook, twitter or any of those services because I like my privacy and have an aversion to groupthink.

  28. Ask a subjective question, get a subjective answer by Wuhao · · Score: 0

    Twitter's fallacy here -- and the one which powerful forces are trying to foist upon other big names -- is that you can have a global communication platform with one set of rules. There is no one set of rules that refers to all speech. There is no way to measure "hate" fairly. Twitter has painted themselves into a corner: they will forever be too strict, or too lenient, often being loudly accused of both at the same time.

  29. Filter's can't work by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    One of the problems with filters is something I see on other sites, especially on political issues. Things escalate. When a post is finally flagged, often it's in response to a post that's similar or worse. Sites have trolls using moderation to eliminate opinions they don't like. If you just mildly insult someone who holds an opinion you don't like, then if they respond in kind, report them.

    Deep Learning should be used to identify those who make the most complaints, or have a disproportionate number of reported posts in response to their posts. That'll make a "troll score" and lower the reliability of those who generate hate speech, as well as those who post hate speech.

    Facebook is the worst, as the top comments are ranked by responses, so the most outrageous comments are on top, as they get the most "your wrong" comments. If Facebook treated such comments as a "downvote" on the original comment, then it would better filter out the noise.

    But since Facebook is 100% noise, how would anyone notice?

  30. Re: Just ask yourself one question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't create the best American economy in decades?

  31. Wierd that they get to decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook has become such a large portion of our communication, both between individuals and between organizations that they act almost as a governing body for communications of those types. How much bigger do they need be before they way they censor speech becomes more important that government censorship of speech?

    After a certain point it almost becomes irrelevant whether we call ourself a "free speech" society if the private corporations that control our communications are allowed to decide what kind of speech will or will not be allowed.

    This discussions in itself illustrates the problem. We have trusted them to know where to draw the line and there is no way for them to do that and have everyone agree that they've done it correctly. Should we allow them to censor something that most people consider to be hate speech? Is 51% enough agreement to have something censored? How about 75%? I guess I should be asking that to Facebook since they get to decide. What about as societal norms shift. Right now hate speech against women is "clearly" wrong, but hate speech against men is not only acceptable, it is encouraged. There might come a time when that particular brand of hate is no longer tolerated too, but whether that type of language will be allowed on Facebook will be up to them.

    It seems like we are granting the few people who are in the positions to make those decisions too much power over our right to free speech. So we ask, "Why do they make the decisions that they do?" I think a better question would be, "Why do we let them make these decisions on our behalf?"

  32. Re:Ask a subjective question, get a subjective ans by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    They should have kept their US branding globally.
    Freedom of speech, freedom after speech sells around the world.
    People who need to interact with their own governments can use boring national sites.
    Keep social media fun, free and full of different news.
    Thats what attracts people and profits. Users can all get 100% censorship in their own nations for every day.
    US social media does not need to report users to they own nations police for enjoying US freedom of speech.

    --
    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  33. Re:We need to brutally murder nazi traitor faggots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me explain. All nazis are worthless inbred retarded faggots with their heads up their asses intellectually and spiritually, developmentally. It has nothing to do with otherwise civic-minded gay folks, that's just terminology overlap. I hope that helps. Kill the nazis, happy new year!

  34. Re:Just ask yourself one question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Obama did that

    Actually, Putin did it by bombing the shit out of them and supporting the existing regime.

  35. Re:FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Say what you want about Slashdot, but at least they don't censor here.

    Facebook is evil for censoring. So are all of the freedom-hating assholes who want them to.

  36. Re:We need to brutally murder nazi traitor faggots by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Don't feed the trolls. There is a clear definition of Nazi, no need to argue about it. Anyone who doesn't understand it is being obtuse.

    Actual Nazis are easy to identify by the swastikas and 1488 chants. No need to over-think it.

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    SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  37. Re: FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly why I still occasionally post topically instead of only shitposting here.

    Mad props indeed. Yes, there's moderation, but I've yet to see indication of the wholesale silencing of "problematic" (re: people who disagree) posters here.

  38. Re:FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Community moderation is absolutely a form of censorship. There's hardly any need for actual banning or deletion when users can downvote wrongthinkers into complete invisibility until they get frustrated and leave on their own, leaving the remainder to become a stagnant cesspool of groupthink that progressively entrenches and radicalizes itself. Slashdot pioneered the idea, but perhaps is saved from the same fate as Reddit just because it's much smaller and filtering out posts by score here usually leaves you with barely anything to read at all.

    Facebook and others prefer the algorithmic route of simply burying things they don't want around, which gives them more direct control over the acceptable range of opinions but lacks a way for users to easily and publicly express their hatred for other people's posts. Thus they need additional explicit censorship to appease the mob.

  39. Hate speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I once reported a posting of a preacher claiming that people hit by a hurricane deserved to die and the "lord" was punishing them for their sins for embracing the gay community. I thought that surely qualified as hate speech and should be removed. Facebook did not delete the post. Regardless of your beliefs, saying that someone deserves to die and they are rightfully being punished by a deity of some sort with death based on their acceptance of gay people is, in my opinion, the definition of hate speech. You can easily condemn someone's opinions or beliefs without calling for or sanctioning their death.

  40. Slashdot allows racist anti-Russian posts to stay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because the left loves racism if it is against an approved group for the Two Minutes of Hate.

  41. Asshole NOT EQUAL TO Schutzstaffel by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm old enough (i.e., not middle-aged yet) to remember when "hate speech" was on the anti-free-speech fringes. Then it started moving in on us. And the closer and closer it got, the greater and greater amount of largely anodyne words and thoughts became verboten. Now some claim that certain words or thoughts are equivalent to physical violence. It was better when people were just seen as obnoxious dicks, and not some form of Neo-Grammar(ish) Nazi guilty of breaking windows of the mind.

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    Slashdot: Playing Favorites Since 1997
    1. Re:Asshole NOT EQUAL TO Schutzstaffel by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I'm old enough (i.e., not middle-aged yet) to remember when "hate speech" was on the anti-free-speech fringes.

      I'm old enough to remember when the old racist brigade was nought but a small group of sad men sitting in the corner of the local pub. They sat their in their corner muttering about "them" ("them", the target, changed over time, first it was Asians, then Arabs, then Muslims, however the hate always remained the same). They'd never venture out of their corner because no-one put up with their bullshit, you'd note that none of the local racist brigade had all of their teeth because back in those days if you were a hateful little twat that didn't keep their mouth shut, someone took it upon themselves to shut it for you.

      However this has changed in recent years (very recent, as in the last decade). Given anonymity by the internet and emboldened by that anonymity making them think their bollocks was popular (see the old "silent majority" cliche) they've began operating openly. People have been telling them to shut up and go away but apparently, free speech(TM) protects them from any criticism (and entitles them to whatever platform they want).

      Seeing as if you actually punched* a racist, xenophobe or other bigot these days, they'll run straight to the cops claiming assault on their Free Speeches(TM) the actual majority is now turning to law makers to make these miscreants go away.

      If you need to see who is really threatening free speech, look at those using it to try to silence criticism of their views. The real "SJW's" are those who are using that term as an insult and claiming free speech means you cant contradict them or tell them their racist or otherwise bigoted views are not wanted. Here in the UK, the only people trying to convince me that I cant say something are the Daily Mail readers. I'd rather not see free speech thrown out, but as long as it's being used to silence critics, it's going to head that way.

      * I do not, emphatically do not, recommend punching anyone, you'll likely just end up hurting your hand (yes most people cant punch to save their life), palm strikes, elbows and knees are far more effective (don't try kicking unless you've been taught how to do that either).

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      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  42. I disagree and have an unpopular opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, better get ready to flag me for hate speech. The things I say may be true or maybe false, or here's a though: it just may be an opinion and go fuck yourself if you don't like it, but either way, all that matters in this Internet life is that there's enough interaction around my comment to keep the unemployed, liberal chant monkeys howling and the ads clicks flowing. Blame conservatives all you want, but they generally don't "do Internet" all that well, so who's fault is it really for over reacting to bullshit you have no business pretending to know anything about or think you can control with protesting, aka bumbling around, staring at my phone and taking snap chat stories to get laid by nose ring wearing bbw's you millennial bovine scattologist. All indication on the Internet pointed towards Hillary winning, but she didn't did she? If conservatives browsed the web like liberals do (stats say %40 of country listeners still have dialup), we would have seen it coming. It's not a trick; it's not a hack; you guys are outnumbered and votes are done on paper, but you wouldn't know if you spend all of your time on social networking sites and no intelligent U.S. male wants a female president when the feminazis and transtopo won't give it a rest. It took blacks 200 years; you guys/girls/shems can wait. You do know the bathroom thing was WOMEN having a problem with it right? Had nothing to do with men's opinions. We're too perverted and women just didn't want a "CD male" in their bathrooms because most women don't see the difference, unfortunately. Im sure most people around the world weren't even thinking that at all, they just needed another tiring "blame the white guy patriarchy for my low sense of self worth" excuse. I dare you all to find a grandmother and talk about feminism and see what she says. She'll tell you guys you are all full of shit and destroying the country when you've 100x more than they did.

  43. Re:We need to brutally murder nazi traitor faggots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    When I was visiting a college town last year, their definition of Nazi and racist was anyone who was not a Democrat. It went from "punch a Nazi" to "shoot a Nazi" to "punch a racist", to "punch a Republican".

    I have grown up in a flyover state. The amount of true Nazis is very small. In fact, in times past where they marched, and nobody gave a rat's ass basically killed their movement. Now with protests and people coming from other areas of the country just to spark riots, this extreme ideology just gets embraced by more, along the lines of the Streisand Effect.

    Real Nazis know how to return violence. However, if they are ignored and silently given a "-1 Overrated" (to put it in Slashdot terms), they will lose membership and all but disappear. However, if people come fight them, it means they get a lot more recruits along the lines of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

  44. Re:We need to brutally murder nazi traitor faggots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "There is a clear definition of Nazi".

    Yes there is. And anyone who distorts it is dishonest. Your explanation of a Nazi grossly simplifies what a Nazi was (and very rarely now "is").

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  45. Re:Just ask yourself one question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Daesh? Obama, the Sauds, and Russia broke their back.

    Tax cut? Nope. Two years from now, when the ballooning deficit causes rollbacks, it will be a net tax increase. Interesting that this is timed just after election year.

    GDP over 3%. Obama inherited a shitshow, and made a top tier economy, with the US the top trading bloc in the world. Now, that crown belongs to China due to the TTIP abandonment, forcing Australia and the Pacific Rim to defer to China.

    Prosecute illegals? Obama did a record job at deportations. In fact, there are more "illegals" bailing the US than coming in.

    Protect VA whistle blowers? The VA got defunded.

    Bring back Americans jailed overseas? Obama did this as well.

    Now, lets discuss the real issues:

    1: The North Korea issue has a high chance of making the entire Pacific Rim a war zone. This will hose us in many ways. The heated rhetoric is doing nobody any good.

    2: The mixed signals from Tillerson versus Trump is similar to what sparked Iraq to seize Kuwait. The administration needs to send a cohesive message to the DPRK. If they want China to actually do something other than give lip service, they need to start hitting China where it hurts, with a tariff on the cheap shit China exports. Europe does this.

    3: The fact that the US has sent a message that de-nuclearization means a country is now vulnerable to regime change, a la Libya.

    4: The fact that the US has abandoned allies like NATO, forcing Europe to work on a world that the US isn't a partner.

    5: The fact that overall, international tensions against virtually every country in the world are at a high point, even staunch allies like England and Canada.

    6: There is a lot of unrest in the US. When you have people with zero hope, extreme groups pop up and thrive.

    7: The tax bill is a bill of attainder. Every group Trump doesn't like has a tax hike applied, be it college students to people who live in a trailer and mortgage it.

    8: There is a lack of interest in prosecuting insider trading and financial crimes. In fact even though it is commonplace for top brass in a company to short their stock before a bad announcement (firm got hacked, etc.), it isn't even looked at.

    9: The fact that there is zero interest in bipartisan debate whatsoever. Trump wants his wall, and he will shut the government down until he gets it.

    Now, here is the big question: What has Trump done to build up this country? So far, he has brought the shadow of nuclear war back onto this country.

  46. And who determines what is considered vile? by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

    One of the most curious things about censorship-, prohibition-, arbitrariness-, etc. prone attitudes is that they usually try to prove that they are objectively better. They don't seem to accept their real imposition-based authority (you can use Facebook only if you accept its rules or Facebook's rules have to agree with the corresponding legislation or Facebook should listen what many of its users say) and hypocritically claim their moral superiority.

    DISCLAIMER: I am not defending any position here. In general, I prefer permissive and properly-understanding approaches which only rely on prohibitions when strictly required.

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  47. Re: We need to brutally murder nazi traitor faggot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And what are you, an illegal sand n1gger migrant who was bred by chimps in hindustan and adopted by n1gger slave trader, then let to pass border security with a counterfeit birth certificate?
    Seriously, chimp, get back to your roots - go visit your relatives in a zoo.

  48. Re:Just ask yourself one question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oop's. Storyteller alert.
    WaPo = Blacklisted Fake News (ref: wikileaks blacklist)
    your rant is a nullified fiction

    ref: http://www.hangthebankers.com/...

  49. Re: FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by temcat · · Score: 1

    At least here you can read at -1 if you really want to see what's been downmodded.

  50. Re: We need to brutally murder nazi traitor faggot by temcat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is very, very inconvenient and frustrating when one cannot arbitrarily assign people dehumanizing labels!

  51. Re: having an imperfect filter is good for Faceboo by temcat · · Score: 1

    This, at least among other things.

  52. Re:We need to brutally murder nazi traitor faggots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about pedophiles?

  53. Re:We need to brutally murder nazi traitor faggots by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

    No, actual Nazis were members of Germany's National Socialist German Workers' Party, which went defunct in 1945. There are a few still around, mostly in their 80's+. The current crop of "alt-right"ers that are doing the 1488 chants are a pale imitation, a mimicry. They are considered "neo-Nazis".

  54. Lifetime ban by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Killing Nazi's use to be the law for a reason.

  55. pro publica, eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right-leaning, pro-Israel Shurat HaDin fights a multi-year campaign against Facebook on OP's exact grounds and no one bats an eye.

    Left-leaning pro-publica leads with Facebook permitting anti-Muslim hatespeech and everyone goes batshit.

  56. Like Oil and Water by Shogun37 · · Score: 1

    Truth (Capital "T" Truth) and groupthink don't mix. Humans WILL lie to themselves about anything and everything. And we get very upset when reality refuses to follow our whims. And why, oh why, are you socializing with people you don't like on a platform that doesn't like you?

  57. "vile", "toxic", etc. by slashdotiscompromisd · · Score: 0

    You can't just go around talking poetically. You just can't talk like that. It shows that you have a constant melodrama going on in your schizophrenic head and that your psychotic self-righteousness always paints you the hero against evil, evil being anything you don't like for a split second or longer for any reason.

    Our society is completely and totally doomed. We need to start preparing for the collapse. Leftist-trained subhumans are being used by the plutocracy to destroy everything to make way for an automated economy. We need revolution in 30 years or everything we know and love is going to die forever.

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  58. Re:FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by sabri · · Score: 1

    Facebook is evil for censoring. So are all of the freedom-hating assholes who want them to.

    Facebook is operating a private platform funded by private money. Their platform, their rules. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. They can censor whatever the want, just as you can censor whatever you want in your house. If you don't like what your friends say in your house, you can ask them to leave. If Facebook doesn't like what you say on their platform, they can remove it and ask you to leave. Simple.

    Which does not mean that I agree with them. But they are not doing anything wrong, legally or morally.

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    I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
  59. Re: FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree with you, all those tech giants just censor center and right never left side ideas. The funny os that (the left side) says they want free speech, but they are in reallity not ready for it, because their ideas most of the time sucks, so no leverage.

  60. Re:FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry, but you don't get to dictate what is moral for other people. By my measure, morally they are being evil.

  61. Re:We need to brutally murder nazi traitor faggots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in times past where they marched, and nobody gave a rat's ass

    This is EXACTLY how dissenters should be handled. You don't counter march, you don't assault them, you simply ignore them and their cause will never gain traction.

    And if it does gain traction, then it's because the masses agree and you might then put together your own march. It's all a matter of freedom of belief, freedom of speech and freedom of expression. People need to respect that.

  62. Re:FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by sabri · · Score: 1

    you don't get to dictate what is moral for other people. By my measure, morally they are being evil.

    You are right, your moral compass may be different than mine. I stand corrected.

    And while FB as a company might be evil, legally they still do have the right to delete whatever they want.

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  63. Re: We need to brutally murder nazi traitor faggot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly. A Nazi is somebody the hard left crazies disagree with. And FB's enforcement isn't uneven: if it's conservative, explicitly pro-Trump or anti-Hillary it's hate speech, even if it's merely a recitation of facts without opinion.

  64. Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like buzz feeds article on '37 things white people need to do to not ruin 2018'. Racism at its finest.

  65. Why Censor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are they trying to censor Facebook?

    Facebook is a PG-13 version of 4chan.

    Let Facebook be Facebook. People will get tired of it and the fad can finally die, as it should have years ago.

  66. Re:FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Legally I have the right to curse at and threaten people, but that doesn't mean I will.

    I'm not concerned with legalities. The law is too often used as a refuge for the unscrupulous.

  67. Farcebook... by iq145 · · Score: 1

    ...Setting the standards for double-standards!

  68. Re:FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by sabri · · Score: 1

    The law is too often used as a refuge for the unscrupulous.

    Yes, you are totally right there. But this does not apply in the case of Facebook.

    If you don't want Facebook to delete your content, don't use Facebook. If you feel that Facebook is an evil corporation, don't use Facebook. Don't visit website that use Facebook's services. Or block all of Facebook in your favorite adblocker. It's literally that simple.

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  69. Re:Slashdot allows racist anti-Russian posts to st by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    Oh? You mean like BLM shouting "Hands up, don't shoot" is racism?
    Heard that one before Reichsmarshall

  70. Re: FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but how many red-pills can be bothered?

  71. Re:FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry, but you don't get to dictate what is moral for other people. By my measure, morally they are being evil.

    Actually, yes you do.
    It's called "Law"

  72. Re:FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 0

    Yes,like nazi thugs pretending that threatening and intimidation,fighting words and incitement to riot are free speech
    Hint: They are not.

  73. Re:FUCK ALL YOU PENCIL-DICKS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, they are. You really ought to know about the subject matter before you open your uneducated mouth.