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Germany Orders Amazon To Stop Taking Advantage of People Who Can't Spell 'Birkenstock' (qz.com)

Germany has barred Amazon from drawing in online shoppers who misspell iconic German sandal maker Birkenstock in their Google searchers. "Amazon reportedly won business for common Birkenstock misspellings by booking variants like 'Brikenstock,' 'Bierkenstock,' and 'Birkenstok' in Google AdWords, so that they produced search results for shoes sold in Amazon.com," reports Quartz. From the report: According to Reuters, Birkenstock turned to the court because it feared shoppers might unwittingly buy shoddy counterfeits, which could damage its brand reputation. "For us, Amazon is complicit," Birkenstock chief Oliver Reichert told German magazine Der Spiegel, according to Reuters. Birkenstock first walked away from Amazon.com in July 2016. Besieged by counterfeits and rogue merchants, the company said it would no longer supply products to Amazon for U.S. customers starting Jan. 1, 2017. "The Amazon marketplace, which operates as an 'open market,' creates an environment where we experience unacceptable business practices which we believe jeopardize our brand," David Kahan, Birkenstock's CEO for the Americas, wrote in a memo at the time.

A year later, Kahan denounced Amazon in a lengthy memo for attempting to get Birkenstock retailers to sell it their inventory, even though the company had explicitly removed its sandals from Amazon.com in the U.S. "I share in no uncertain terms that this is unacceptable and will not be tolerated," Kahan wrote. "[A]ny Authorized retailer who may do this for even a single pair will be closed FOREVER."

162 comments

  1. if ur so stupid u cant spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    u deserve to get counterfit shit

    1. Re: if ur so stupid u cant spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      German Amezon should sue Amazon for impersonating a legit business.

      Everyone knows by now that all shitty american companies are run by third-world scum.

    2. Re:if ur so stupid u cant spell by michelcolman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The question is not whether dumb people deserve to get ripped off. The question is whether Birkenstock deserves to lose those sales. Anti-counterfeiting laws are not meant to protect customers (even if that's how they are sold to the public).

      What does puzzle me a bit, though, is how Birkenstock can prohibit certified Birkenstock retailers from selling on Amazon, and threaten to close them forever if they do. Wouldn't that run afoul of a bunch of competition laws?

    3. Re:if ur so stupid u cant spell by misnohmer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What does puzzle me a bit, though, is how Birkenstock can prohibit certified Birkenstock retailers from selling on Amazon, and threaten to close them forever if they do. Wouldn't that run afoul of a bunch of competition laws?

      Manufacturers can sell to whoever they want, as long as they don't discriminate based against any of the protected groups (race, religion, sex, age, etc). They can simply say "if you sell through Amazon, we will not longer sell to you". They are of course free to buy retail and re-sell on Amazon, but it doesn't make sense anymore. I've dealt with this in the past with manufacturers who set their prices based on country, and for the very same goods would charge as much as 3x depending on the destination country. There it makes sense to buy a trainload of shoes, for example, destined to a country where the shoes are cheaper, and then resell those shoes in countries where the price is 3x. This happens, but the re-sellers are very careful because if they caught selling to such "grey market" they lose their re-seller status. I've dealt with this in pre-Amazon days with shoes and once with cars as you used to be able to get away with it some small scale, but nowadays the manufacturers are viciously tracking this types of sales, so all re-sellers are scared.

    4. Re: if ur so stupid u cant spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If youâ(TM)re stupid and canâ(TM)t spell âoecounterfeitâ you donâ(TM)t deserve to comment.

    5. Re:if ur so stupid u cant spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... afoul of a bunch of competition laws.

      What competition? The retailers are all buying shoes from the same place. If Birkenstock said the retailers couldn't buy from elsewhere, that would be anti-competitive.

      Anti-counterfeiting laws are not meant to protect customers ...

      Of course they are: Counterfeiting is fraud against the consumer. That's why no-one wonders what's inside packaging proclaiming "chocolate"; the government ensures it meets their definition of chocolate.

    6. Re: if ur so stupid u cant spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question is not if a company deserves to lose sales. It is, does a company get to dictate to other companies what to do, and, if so, under what circumstances?

    7. Re:if ur so stupid u cant spell by jopsen · · Score: 1

      Manufacturers can sell to whoever they want, as long as they don't discriminate based against any of the protected groups (race, religion, sex, age, etc).

      Are you sure? I'm sure they get away with it quite often, but that's not the same as saying the practice is legal.
      Afaik, manufacturers (or brand owners, if you will) can't dictate re-seller prices, etc. This is anti competitive behavior. Yes, they often get away with it, and yes, it's hard to prosecute. And no, I'm not a lawyer :)

    8. Re: if ur so stupid u cant spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is illegal in EU, elsewhere it is common practice

    9. Re: if ur so stupid u cant spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not what you're so upset about. His post was:

      "if ur so stupid u cant spell u deserve to get counterfit shit"

      and you chose to bitch about his spelling of counterfeit. "counterfit" was nearly the most correctly spelled word in the entire post.

    10. Re:if ur so stupid u cant spell by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 2

      Mostly right, but in the US and the various States, there are laws that limit manufacturers' ability to having vertical pricing arrangements. Specifically, an agreement in restraint of trade is unlawful even though a unilateral (and universal) vertical pricing policy is lawful. Also lawful are manufacturer-imposed "territories", which is a bit confusing.

      Here's some guidance from the Federal Trade Commission and a recent Supreme Court Ruling.

    11. Re:if ur so stupid u cant spell by Daemonik · · Score: 1

      Manufacturers can sell to whoever they want, as long as they don't discriminate based against any of the protected groups (race, religion, sex, age, etc.

      RETAILERS can sell to whoever they want, as long as they don't discriminate based against any of the protected groups (race, religion, sex, age, etc) as well. Birkenstock might get to set pricing, but they don't get to dictate customer relationships.

      Also, I'm curious if the AdWords campaign is being done by Amazon corporate office, or one of the people who list stuff on their site. If so, it's not really under Amazon's control.

    12. Re:if ur so stupid u cant spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually pretty funny since it's spelt incorrectly in the summary line -
      it has two 'r's.

      CAP === 'analyzes'

    13. Re:if ur so stupid u cant spell by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

      There is a whole spectrum of knock-offs. What of the counterfeit goods that are the exact same as the genuine article, but just made after hours and lacking the blessing of its IP overlord?
      If those identical goods can sell for a price, sometimes drastically, below the real deal, it shows that profits are being protected, not consumers.

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      ...
    14. Re: if ur so stupid u cant spell by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      But should a company have free reign to sell knock offs, using the same brand name, especially when not sanctioned by original company. As a customer I get deceived about product and quality and as the original company there is trademark infringement.

      --
      Jumpstart the tartan drive.
    15. Re:if ur so stupid u cant spell by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      What does puzzle me a bit, though, is how Birkenstock can prohibit certified Birkenstock retailers from selling on Amazon, and threaten to close them forever if they do. Wouldn't that run afoul of a bunch of competition laws?

      Probably for the same reason we have "prescription cat food". It's not actually illegal for you to sell it to someone who lacks a "prescription", it's just that if you do, the manufacturer won't sell it to you wholesale anymore. (In return, vets prescribe it; they get extra exam business from the people who need prescriptions, and they generate business ultimately for the manufacturer.)

      Businesses do collude, all the time, and often get away with it.

    16. Re:if ur so stupid u cant spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If those identical goods can sell for a price, sometimes drastically, below the real deal, it shows that profits are being protected, not consumers.

      The question is how much of that is what you say and how much of that is something else. If it's banning the importing of goods because there's evidence that an official looking stamp will be used to mislabel them, that's one thing. If it's banning the importing of goods outright because there is the hypothetically belief they will be stamped and mislabeled, that's another. To the point of why the label should matter: people often buy goods as a status symbol and are honestly paying a company a lot of money for a stamp to prove they have money. Yes, people will often buy look-alikes, made on the same line, and there's some claim that this is a fraud against the company as it's meant to diminish the value of the good--although that's really BS logic and hopefully would be thrown out in court. But so long as it's a "trademark" on the good and used as verification, then it seems a legitimate way of claiming fraud against a consumer.

      Admittedly, it's a gray area when they're literally the same good off the same line--as perhaps after hours they might have different standards. It's also a gray area precisely because often one doesn't know if it's a copy cat or literally off the same line. As long as there's no misrepresentation but merely withholding of information that generally isn't disclosed, it'd seem not to be a fraud against the consumer. The same with lots of other goods, from pretzels to computer parts. The supply chain and acceptability standards may be different. Or there may be no difference, but it's not a fraud of a business to not explicitly enlighten people that an equivalent good could be bought cheaper, especially if they're unaware of the shadow hours.

    17. Re:if ur so stupid u cant spell by Dorianny · · Score: 1
      Contract law is king. All the manufacturer has to do is require the re-seller to sign a contract dictating terms such as minimum pricing as a prerequisite of sale. If the re-seller violates the contract then they are liable for damages.

      Such contracts are the reason why you get the incredibly annoying "add the product to the cart to see the sale price"

    18. Re:if ur so stupid u cant spell by Dorianny · · Score: 1

      Many manufacturers use cheaper parts and looser quality control for products destined for lower price point markets. Often the only indication is a single letter on the model number. The manufacturers don't want these models to end up in the higher price point markets, eating at their profits and soiling their reputation. It is a scam they play on the developing world that sometimes ends up biting them in the ass

    19. Re: if ur so stupid u cant spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon is almost a US only company. This is probably their attempt to get a foothold in german market. Us fritz are a frugal bunch lol. Cheaper is always better.

    20. Re:if ur so stupid u cant spell by Dorianny · · Score: 1

      "counterfeit goods that are the exact same as the genuine article" only happens for rebranded off-the-shelf parts/products. Manufacturers would have to be incredibly stupid to risk lawsuits and loosing business by producing custom parts/products "after hours" for the gray/black markets

    21. Re: if ur so stupid u cant spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misspelled counterfeit.

    22. Re: if ur so stupid u cant spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unless it's in the US, where companies try to bribe or coerce regulators to look the other way and substitite fats other than cocoa butter and still call the resultant product 'chocolate'.

      At least they can't call their partially hydrogenated yellow product butter.

      Or brown sugar water tarted up with some added malic acid as 'apple juice'. oh wait...thats what Libby eventually got busted for...(but thats basically what apple juice is...)

    23. Re:if ur so stupid u cant spell by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      People who would buy and wear Birkenstocks for sure deserve to get ripped off. But really in the end this hissy fit is pointless; Google would end up directing the misspellings mostly to the correct spelling anyway.

    24. Re: if ur so stupid u cant spell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *You're
      *You
      *Countefeit

      Youâ(TM)re an asshole and canâ(TM)t spell either

  2. Amazon does sell counterfeit products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've seen counterfeit Samsung chargers, there is probably other stuff.

    1. Re:Amazon does sell counterfeit products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you shitting me? Fully 50% of Amazon's retail business is 3rd Party sellers going through Amazon's marketplace. Amazon LOVES counterfeiters - they help them gobble up marketshare and still provide Amazon with plausible deniability to using counterfeit goods to put other retailers out of business. Do you really think non-counterfeit goods can be price competitive, provide Amazon a 15%+ cut on the revenue, and still keep the 3rd party seller profitable? Hell no.

      Amazon - Counterfeiter's Clearinghouse - https://www.forbes.com/sites/w...

    2. Re:Amazon does sell counterfeit products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Asia, when the price is low people know they're buying a copy. In America they think "Wow what a super crazy deal on this genuine product!"

    3. Re: Amazon does sell counterfeit products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll never buy cologne on Amazon ever again. The stuff I got smelled like vinegar.

    4. Re: Amazon does sell counterfeit products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't vinegar (hint: meow)

    5. Re:Amazon does sell counterfeit products by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Amazon warehouses treat goods as fungible when they're not.

      You can pay for the real item, and be fulfilled from knockoff inventory.

      As always, buyer beware.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  3. Donald Trump launching "Burkastop" footwear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except this is fake because he's not nearly that clever. Just how does a Billionaire wind up in prison? Moron lol.

    1. Re:Donald Trump launching "Burkastop" footwear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO, BURKAS IN AMERICA. YOU GET OUT. Take your obese orange traitor with you... oh wait, you can't! He's going to die in prison instead. Aww... you do it to yourselves, nazi faggots.

    2. Re:Donald Trump launching "Burkastop" footwear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK. How can u claim to be progressive but defend a BURKA, an Islamic uniform where women are covered from head to toe, and can only see out of a thin slit in front of their face. And they have NO CHOICE. They are TOLD what to wear, and if they don't comply, THEY ARE KILLED. Because the KORAN said so.

    3. Re:Donald Trump launching "Burkastop" footwear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You must be old, because you haven't been on an American college campus in awhile.

      The Burka is a symbol of tolerance, diversity and womans' liberation.

      If you disagree, you're a racist cis-gendered islamophobe.

    4. Re:Donald Trump launching "Burkastop" footwear by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 0

      You're nuts if you think Trump is going to prison. If and when the jig is up he will cut a backroom deal that includes a full pardon "for the good of the nation".

    5. Re:Donald Trump launching "Burkastop" footwear by easyTree · · Score: 1

      I like to think of someone wearing a burka as an inversion of a naked person wearing sunglasses. ymmv.

    6. Re:Donald Trump launching "Burkastop" footwear by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      If and when the jig is up he will cut a backroom deal that includes a full pardon "for the good of the nation".

      Or, when the jig is up, he'll stop dancing to their tune.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    7. Re: Donald Trump launching "Burkastop" footwear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cut a backroom deal? He's the fucking President, dipshit. He literally has the power to pardon anyone, for any reason.

      Bradley Manning betrayed the country, got people killed, and we paid for his balls to be inverted into a perpetually bleeding hole. Nothing Trump has ever done comes close.

    8. Re: Donald Trump launching "Burkastop" footwear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, this thread went down the toilet even faster than usual....

    9. Re:Donald Trump launching "Burkastop" footwear by Megol · · Score: 0

      It's always easy to spot the one that never had higher education but plenty of prejudices.

    10. Re: Donald Trump launching "Burkastop" footwear by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      Cut a backroom deal? He's the fucking President, dipshit. He literally has the power to pardon anyone, for any reason.

      That's the backroom deal. He gets the pardon. He's not going to pardon himself. And why the insult? Obviously I was referring to the presidential pardoning power, so why would you think you had to both tell me about it and insult me while doing so?
      I don't know if Trump will complete his term, but if I could bet I would easily go with yes.

  4. Alibaba sells counterfeits, not Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Alibaba is owned by some sleazy Chinese

    They sell counterfeits

    Amazon is owned by an Outstanding American Super-Billionaire who told us he won't sell counterfeits

    1. Re:Alibaba sells counterfeits, not Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Amazon is owned by an Outstanding American Super-Billionaire who told us he won't sell counterfeits

      Well, maybe he won't, but the scumbag third party sellers who he allows to sell on his site sure as hell will. The old adage applies just like it always has; Caveat Emptor, let the buyer beware.

    2. Re: Alibaba sells counterfeits, not Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. Chinese little guy has vague concept of what is allowed in stupid america. In fact it is not their responsibility to keep track of local laws.
      Bezos on the other hand is a scum that knowingly ignores rules and decency.

    3. Re: Alibaba sells counterfeits, not Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why I moved from Amazon.com to Alibaba and AliExpress ?
      Simple - they do not have regional restrictions.
      And do not refuse to ship to Europe because "you are terrorists" ....
      My original USD are going one way, ordered goods are going opposite way

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    5. Re:Alibaba sells counterfeits, not Amazon by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Dog fighting materials are A-OK though. Feh.

      I've seen plenty of counterfeits on Amazon, and people who depict one thing but ship something different and inferior. When I have reported either Amazon has refused to take it down.

  5. Not Amazon's fault. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As stated, the shoe maker banned all sales from Amazon. What is Amazon supposed to do? Be a policeman for a company that refuses to do business with them?

    This looks like typical German anti-American jingoism at its finest. If a European company were doing the same thing, they wouldn't bat an eye.

    1. Re: Not Amazon's fault. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is the part where Amazon bought AdWords for common misspellings in much the same way malware authors buy commonly misspelled AdWords Amazon's fault, though?

      Read it carefully if it looks confusing to you.

    2. Re: Not Amazon's fault. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, it's the part where third-party sellers bought the misspelled keywords, and the ignorant Schweinhund at Birkenstock blames Amazon for it.

    3. Re:Not Amazon's fault. by lucm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A company that thinks they're going to teach Amazon a lesson by not selling their products there makes the same mistake small shop owners make by not moving away when a Walmart opens down the street. Very noble and for a minute it may work, but sooner than later the business dies because customer loyalty is fragile, especially on things worth at most $100-$200.

      For instance I like Garmin GPS products, but when I want a new GPS device I'm not going to fuck around browsing individual websites and opening accounts right and left and dealing with weird shipping rules, I go on Amazon. If there's no Garmin there I'll give another brand a chance because my loyalty doesn't trump the convenience of just adding it to a shopping cart full of other stuff already connected to my credit card and shipping info.

      Those birkenstock people are not gonna win.

      --
      lucm, indeed.
    4. Re:Not Amazon's fault. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For instance I like Garmin GPS products, but when I want a new GPS device I'm not going to fuck around browsing individual websites and opening accounts right and left and dealing with weird shipping rules, I go on Amazon. If there's no Garmin there I'll give another brand a chance because my loyalty doesn't trump the convenience of just adding it to a shopping cart full of other stuff already connected to my credit card and shipping info.

      I'm almost the polar opposite. Once Ive fonud a product I want, I'll go where I can get it. I figure that if it's above a certain amount and I'm going to be using it a lot, then the time saved by getting a good quality one that I know will work and I know how to use will trump the one off cost of 3 to 4 minutes required to buy it from not amazon.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    5. Re:Not Amazon's fault. by lucm · · Score: 1

      I figure that if it's above a certain amount and I'm going to be using it a lot, then the time saved by getting a good quality one that I know will work and I know how to use will trump the one off cost of 3 to 4 minutes required to buy it from not amazon.

      Then I guess we just have a different "certain amount" threshold. And it takes more than an extra 3-4 minutes when you have to deal with accounts, shipping and all that on top of having to find the product. Plus that's one more site likely to have their customer database pwned because they didn't configure mongo or s3 properly, or because they used an old unpatched struts or wordpress.

      I don't think I'd buy a minivan on Amazon, but a $100 or $200 thing, that's a no-brainer.

      --
      lucm, indeed.
    6. Re:Not Amazon's fault. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's the same for fashion items. Brands are not interchangeable. Apple phones are an example that nerds might be familiar with. There are loads of other phones but people want an Apple specifically and won't just buy whatever is easily available.

      --
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    7. Re:Not Amazon's fault. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Then I guess we just have a different "certain amount" threshold. And it takes more than an extra 3-4 minutes when you have to deal with accounts, shipping and all that on top of having to find the product.

      Not my experience. Many vendors, most I'd say seem to let you check out as a guest, so there's no wrangling of accounts or anything.

      Click on product, press "buy", enter address and CC info and done!

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    8. Re:Not Amazon's fault. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not going to fuck around browsing individual websites and opening accounts right and left and dealing with weird shipping rules, I go on Amazon...because my loyalty doesn't trump the convenience of just adding it to a shopping cart full of other stuff already connected to my credit card and shipping info.

      Translation: I don't give a shit if any product I buy is real or fake; counterfeit risk doesn't trump my laziness for using the website already connected to my credit card and shipping info.

      Those birkenstock people are not gonna win.

      There's no winning when battling ignorance and stupidity. The only way to win is not to play, which is exactly why consumers who value authenticity will put forth the effort, and not be fucking lazy about it.

    9. Re:Not Amazon's fault. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus that's one more site likely to have their customer database pwned because they didn't configure mongo or s3 properly, or because they used an old unpatched struts or wordpress.

      Absolutely. Let's suppose that all site are equally insecure. Let's assume there is a 2% chance of a given site having its entire customer database copied in one year. If I'm signed up to one site - Amazon, because it's got the most stuff, that's a 2% chance of my details leaking per year. Or alternatively I sign up to 50 sites to buy various products.

      That's (1-0.98^50) *100% i.e 64% chance of your details being compromised in a year.

      In other words, sign up to enough sites and you *will* be regularly compromised. My wife signed up to about 50 sites and one of them was compromised within a year (Lush Cosmetics).
        (That's one that was publicly acknowledged - may has been others who kept it secret of course).

      Of course you can reduce your exposure massively on the payment front by only using sites that allow paypal or using 'throwaway' card numbers. But this still means your non-payment details - name, address, email, phone etc. will be regularly compromised, which can lead to identity theft.

    10. Re:Not Amazon's fault. by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      Customer loyalty lasts right up until the next sale.

      Never underestimate the power of "keeping up with the Joneses". For most Americans, price is king with quality a distant second, mainly because most Americans can't afford quality.

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    11. Re:Not Amazon's fault. by lucm · · Score: 1

      Dude we're not talking about Faberge eggs or Picasso paintings, this is about $50 sandals. Get a life.

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    12. Re:Not Amazon's fault. by lucm · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, Lush Cosmetics has a lot in common with Birkenstock.

      Amazon = $136,000,000,000 annual revenue, 540,000 employees, invented cloud computing, host Netflix and CIA servers
      Birkenstock = $500,000,000 annual revenue, 4,000 employees, sell sandals, run their website on a shared shopping cart service
      Lush Cosmetics = $300,000,000 annual revenue, 3,000 employees, sell cosmetics, run their website on the same shared shopping cart service as Birkenstock

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    13. Re:Not Amazon's fault. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm almost the polar opposite. Once I've found a product I want, I'll go where I can get it.

      For people located outside of "lower 48 US states"
      That place is usually Amazon.
      They do accept (OMG!) foreign issued credit cards
      They do accept foreign shipping addresses
      They do not live in 1970-ties "please fill this form and fax to me your billing info"

    14. Re: Not Amazon's fault. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, Amazon has set up their "marketplace" the way they want it, and basically has a policy of letting third-party sellers doing whatever the fuck they want, and not policing any of it. That's why I don't shop at Amazon.

    15. Re:Not Amazon's fault. by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Well, a big problem with paying for quality is that you often end up with the same crappy low-quality item, just marked way up. This goes double for buying off of Amazon which is full of sketchy third-party sellers and counterfeits, and with the way Amazon does its fulfillment, you don't know what you're going to get and from where until it arrives on your doorstep.

      So you might as well buy on price. You likely will end up with a cheap piece of crap, but at least you got what you paid for.

  6. Editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Amazon reportedly won business for common Birkenstock misspellings by booking variants like 'Birkenstock,' 'Bierkenstock,' and 'Birkenstok' in Google AdWords"
    Slasdot editors are evidently unable to properly misspell Birkenstock.

    1. Re:Editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you, I thought I was losing my mind

    2. Re: Editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Editors? I thought all editors were replaced after the buyout with poorly coded perl scripts.

    3. Re:Editors by Picodon · · Score: 1

      They also forgot the most popular search query: “Beer can stock”.

    4. Re:Editors by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      I copy-n-pasted it into notepad just to make sure I wasn't losing mine.

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    5. Re:Editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Which one is the counterfeit? Birkenstock or Birkenstock?

    6. Re: Editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Swedish ripoff.
      Borkenstick.

  7. Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by bradley13 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Really, the court ruling is idiotic. If Amazon cannot book those words, some counterfeiter will. And what permutations, exactly, counts as a misspelling? What about other names, where there are many legitimate spellings?

    That said, Amazon has really shot itself in the foot with it's 3rd party marketplace. It is increasingly difficult to sort out the crap, the potential crap, and the legitimate products. Personally, and precisely for this reason, I order a lot less from Amazon than I used to.

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    1. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by EMN13 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Birkenstock doesn't sell on amazon precisely because of a falling out in which it claims amazon doesn't effectively prevent counterfeiters on amazon's own marketplace.

    2. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by rpresser · · Score: 5, Informative

      Then why is there an "Amazon Birkenstock Store"?
      https://www.amazon.com/Birkens...

    3. Re: Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's counterfeit

    4. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I read the decision and it's because Amazon uses the misspellings to sell counterfeit shoes. Amazon can't sell the real ones themselves, everything on there is fake and they refuse to police third party sellers.

      It's really not an unusual decision.

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    5. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 4, Informative

      Really, the court ruling is idiotic. If Amazon cannot book those words, some counterfeiter will. And what permutations, exactly, counts as a misspelling? What about other names, where there are many legitimate spellings?

      That said, Amazon has really shot itself in the foot with it's 3rd party marketplace. It is increasingly difficult to sort out the crap, the potential crap, and the legitimate products. Personally, and precisely for this reason, I order a lot less from Amazon than I used to.

      This.

      And, for example, Apple reportedly did an investigation of all the "Genuine Apple" AC adapters on Amazon, and found something like 90% or more were bootleg, non-Apple parts.

      And lest you think they were doing that just to promote sales of their own stuff, they started the investigation because of a rash of Trashed iOS and Mac equipment, where the AC adapter had destroyed the gear.

    6. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and if I hadn't robbed that little old lady, someone else would have, and they might not have been so nice. So really, it's fine that I committed that theft.

    7. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      they refuse to police third party sellers

      That's not true, you can report after having received a 'fake' product and they will investigate accordingly.

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    8. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by easyTree · · Score: 1

      It is increasingly difficult to sort out the crap, the potential crap, and the legitimate products

      Is this a criticism of Amazon's third party marketplace or a reflection of a fact that increasingly, the only 'tangible' difference between 'real' and 'counterfeit' is the ephemeral 'quality' imbued by being manufactured on behalf of those owning the IP?

      Is it possible that in the near future, the counterfeit items will be manufactured to a higher standard than the 'real' ones? If so, would the counterfeiter then simply start a brand of their own and bump up the prices ?

    9. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by easyTree · · Score: 1

      uhh, ephemeral -> intangible

      It is increasingly difficult to sort out the crap, the potential crap, and the legitimate products

      Is this a criticism of Amazon's third party marketplace or a reflection of a fact that increasingly, the only 'tangible' difference between 'real' and 'counterfeit' is the intangible 'quality' imbued by being manufactured on behalf of those owning the IP?

      Is it possible that in the near future, the counterfeit items will be manufactured to a higher standard than the 'real' ones? If so, would the counterfeiter then simply start a brand of their own and bump up the prices ?

    10. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by lucm · · Score: 1

      Apple

      Congrats, you managed to inject Apple in a story about counterfeit sandals. You beat the Trump or SystemD trolls this time.

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    11. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's possible, although not a hypothesis you've backed with any evidence. If I make a knock-off product that looks just like the real one, but is inferior in terms of quality or durability that simply increases the risk that the buyer won't appreciate it is fake and will believe that their item, which they believe to be genuine, is bad. Ironically this has hurt a lot of small asian businesses which produce a high quality product for its price, get some fame in the west, but then get so swamped by knock-offs that they can't compete and the quality original either stops being made or has its reputation ruined. This has happened to a number of Chinese headphone manufacturers for example.

    12. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by hraponssi · · Score: 1

      That said, Amazon has really shot itself in the foot with it's 3rd party marketplace. It is increasingly difficult to sort out the crap, the potential crap, and the legitimate products. Personally, and precisely for this reason, I order a lot less from Amazon than I used to.

      I used to think ordering from Amazon was better than going to Ebay and buying some random Chinese crap. However, the Amazon 3rd party marketplace seems to be run now by the same Chinese crap sellers. At least on Ebay they are honest about this, and you can try to look up the reviews etc.

      Recently ordered few items for Christmas from Amazon, item links were to authentic item listings on Amazon itself, addresses of sellers listed in the US, EU, etc. The stuff that arrives is some copy arriving weeks late direct from China. Some of them complete garbage and nothing like advertised. Tried to write some reviews on Amazon stating these facts about some of these sellers, and naturally these did not get even published (apparently violating some Amazon policy). Many of the reviews you see there are of type "great", just like those generated app store reviews. Brilliant.

      Will be shopping much less, and much more carefully (verified official sellers with hundred of reviews might be ok), on Amazon now...

    13. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they refuse to police third party sellers

      That's not true, you can report after having received a 'fake' product and they will investigate accordingly.

      ...and then, apparently, do nothing.

    14. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by Tom · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unlike patents or copyrights, trademarks and brand registrations require the owner to actively defend them. So Birkenstock actually didn't have a choice of going after Amazon or not, and neither would it in going after counterfeiters.

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    15. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solution for Google. If the loose the court order and are sore about it
      When a misspelling comes up, display the full recommended retail price, and a picture of an alternative much cheaper product next to the full priced RRP original . Also show the price conversion rates for different countries.I reckon 99% will then click on the cheaper side.
      Then add a message saying 95% of hits prefer this shoe/outlet.
      If they click the original product, a commercial comes up FIRST of a competing alternative or online sandal shop,

      That will teach them.

    16. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by Ash-Fox · · Score: 2

      ...and then, apparently, do nothing.

      It worked for me? Refund, product listing removed etc.

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    17. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet the APPLE story is on-point. What is your issue ... you a manufacture of real-fake SWISS-ARMY watches, COACH ragbags or warmist, Trotsky-ite news ? Can't get bling-traction without faux-action ? Sluts do love bitching together like Chicago baby-momaz hooting krak.

    18. Re: Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Amazon will just take your stuff back. Even better, most sellers donâ(TM)t even want to bother going through the return process and just give your money back.

      Although Iâ(TM)ve found in many cases that the, cheap direct from China, is actually the item you are expecting.

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    19. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      The only things I will buy from Amazon are those sold by Amazon itself or if it's sold by a third party seller then it has to be fulfilled by Amazon. That means that Amazon has the item in one of it's warehouses.

      Overall I think the third party marketplace has been a failure for customers. It makes Amazon a lot of money for sure. But it's harder to find things now via a search or just drilling down through the categories. Sub-categories are filled with non-related items. I wrote Amazon complaining about how difficult it is to find items due to all of the misplaced items and they thought I wanted help choosing a category as a seller. I said I was looking for something and look at a specific category for example for all of the wrong items in it.

      Then you have items with outrageous prices or shipping. I've seen items that are worth less than $20 with prices of over $1000 or S&H of a couple of hundred with a low price (which really messes up the price tracking sites like camelcamelcamel.com).

      I've almost always purchased items that have come from Amazon warehouses and haven't had any problems. I do a fair amount of shopping with them. The one time I didn't follow that rule I had a problem and Amazon refunded my money without an issue.

    20. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by Daemonik · · Score: 1, Informative

      I love how Birkenstock's position is that apparently everyone can spell their name properly and if you can't you were looking for counterfeits. Birkenstock themselves should have already had these AdWords pointing to their own store because misspellings happen and they're refusing customers over it, which is honestly a form of commercial elitism I've never seen before, so polite golf clap for you Birkenstock.

    21. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by Daemonik · · Score: 1

      Honestly, 90% of counterfeits are coming out of the same Chinese factory as the originals anyway. In cases where the IP holder polices their manufacturer, they just hand over the plans to their wives second cousin's brother who owns a factory 3 towns over and have him produce the counterfeits.

    22. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by Daemonik · · Score: 1

      I have literally never had this problem, in years of using Amazon, and I wonder just what you're buying on there. Amazon's returns dept is also very helpful and will get you a refund no questions asked, unless you're doing more returns than orders.

    23. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by hey! · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, I think you got the right conclusion, but I don't support how you got there. You can't allow somebody to do something wrong because if they don't do it, someone else will. No the real issue is that Amazon didn't do anything wrong here -- and I can't believe I just wrote that.

      As long as they don't represent themselves *as* Birkenstock, or sell counterfeit goods, what they're doing is looking for people in the market for sandals.

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    24. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't believe that the stupid sandals there cost almost $100. I have seen similar looking sandals for under $20. There is NO WAY these are 5x better.

    25. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Apple

      Congrats, you managed to inject Apple in a story about counterfeit sandals. You beat the Trump or SystemD trolls this time.

      Funny that I just KNEW some Slashtard like you would miss the point ENTIRELY.

      You know, you don't get any extra points for following me round to gainsay every single thing I comment-about...

      Moron.

    26. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Yet the APPLE story is on-point. What is your issue ... you a manufacture of real-fake SWISS-ARMY watches, COACH ragbags or warmist, Trotsky-ite news ? Can't get bling-traction without faux-action ? Sluts do love bitching together like Chicago baby-momaz hooting krak.

      That is the best AC comment I've read in YEARS!!!

    27. Re:Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You'd be amazed the corners they cut...but they have infected _all_ the channels. Buyer beware.

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    28. Re: Stupid court ruling, stupid Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken by someone who's never worn real Bierkenstoks.

  8. Variants like 'Birkenstock' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I honestly can't spot the difference.

    1. Re:Variants like 'Birkenstock' by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      The original was typed by hard working German craftsmen, and the imposter was typed by a Chinese sweatshop worker who can't even spell in English or German.

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  9. Hard to tell the difference! by 89cents · · Score: 4, Funny
    "variants like 'Birkenstock,' 'Bierkenstock,' and 'Birkenstok'"

    Wow, it's so good I can even tell the difference in the first variant!

    1. Re:Hard to tell the difference! by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 2

      Sure, it has an extra comma at the end. The missing commas outside the quotes are just bad grammar.

    2. Re:Hard to tell the difference! by tonique · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing that i-like letter is not a Cyrillic letter dotted I.

    3. Re:Hard to tell the difference! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's more, I always though Birkenstick was a tire manufacturer. Consider me advertised, educated and entertained at the same time!

    4. Re:Hard to tell the difference! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's so hard to spell it, that even the misspellings get misspelled.

    5. Re:Hard to tell the difference! by lucm · · Score: 1

      According to my google, birkenstick make golf clubs, maybe yours is different.

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    6. Re:Hard to tell the difference! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Little Bobby Drop Tables is coming for you!

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    7. Re:Hard to tell the difference! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They apparently make sandals too, or people seem to try to sell them with that name, so the loop closes. Every road leads to footwear.

    8. Re:Hard to tell the difference! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I doubt it. If it was it'd show up as *&(TM)&* or something like that.

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    9. Re:Hard to tell the difference! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quotes are supposed to be outside of punctuation.

  10. Did you not get the memo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We now don't give a f* what you think, dear BS CEO (pun intended).

    Yours sincerely,
    BS Retailers

  11. First World Problems by Templer421 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wear real shoes people, they protect your toes.

    1. Re:First World Problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sandals are real shoes, they have been worn for thousands of years. No need to change anything.

    2. Re:First World Problems by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2

      I always laughed at Birkenstocks until a foot doctor convinced me to try them. Now at the end of the day I can't wait to take off my work shoes and slip into my sandals. Even better is that I've realized that wearing socks with sandals is both comfortable and sharp looking, which my kids absolutely hate and embarrasses them to no end.

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    3. Re:First World Problems by ffkom · · Score: 1

      Living in the "first world", I can assure you my toes do not require any extra protection. There is not so much hazardous waste, rabid dogs or grenade splinters in the streets, here.

  12. No surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Germans hate Americans so much.

  13. Ugh.. by zoid.com · · Score: 1

    This is what slashdot has come to ... I'm pretty sure that slashdots best moment was the 9-11 coverage. It actually showed what community/social media could do. Oh well... get off my lawn!

    1. Re:Ugh.. by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Best moment was after Columbine, with the article in which people discussed systematic bullying that would lead either to suicide or school shootings.

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    2. Re:Ugh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better for those in power if the majority remain on the "hamster wheel" of inflammatory discussion boards, idle celebrity gossip, etc. never producing anything of value and never changing anything.

    3. Re:Ugh.. by lucm · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm pretty sure that slashdots best moment was the 9-11 coverage. It actually showed what community/social media could do.

      If something like 9-11 happened today, it would be downplayed in the media to avoid suggesting "an amalgam between violent practices and belonging to a religion", unless of course if the terrorists where white males, in which case amalgamation would be a good thing (white males = rape = guns = nazis = trump, and I'm pretty sure we can throw in global warming in there). That is a direct result of what community/social media can do.

      The next logical step for society is wiping our asses using three seashells.

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    4. Re:Ugh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because all I remember after the Vegas shootings was how people kept going on about his religion...

      Was that a bad troll or are you some seriously sensitive Broflake?

    5. Re:Ugh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure that slashdots best moment was the 9-11 coverage. It actually showed what community/social media could do.

      If something like 9-11 happened today, it would be downplayed in the media to avoid suggesting "an amalgam between violent practices and belonging to a religion", unless of course if the terrorists where white males, in which case amalgamation would be a good thing (white males = rape = guns = nazis = trump, and I'm pretty sure we can throw in global warming in there). That is a direct result of what community/social media can do.

      The next logical step for society is wiping our asses using three seashells.

      Well, there's the problem right there: you're brainwashed, and need years of deprogramming. What you describe has nothing to do with reality, you're in a bubble.

    6. Re:Ugh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember the Pulse shooting? Where a Muslim announced that he was shooting up gays because Americans needed to die for their treatment of Muslims and because God hated gays?

      Do you also remember how the media claimed that we would never know the motive, that it wasn't terrorism, that it was actually right-wing terrorism, that the shooter was actually gay and couldn't handle it, that the wife was never involved, and that it was all the Republican's fault anyway?

      Loughner was described as provoked by Republicans, despite being a far left-wing extremist with severe mental problems.
      Holmes was called a Tea Partier and violent right-winger terrorist, despite being another left-winger with severe mental problems.
      Hidgkinson was announced as a totally non-political random shooting, despite being a Bernie-Bro who declare his intention to assassinate a dozen Republicans to force new elections to replace them with Democrats.

      The days of unity in the face of tragedy are long over. Another 9/11 these days would be met with descriptions of how Trump had provoked it, failed to prevent it, and probably collaborated with it, too. There would be CNN specials describing how stalker footage of his golf swing revealed secret biases, and the New York Times would follow it up with a report from an anonymous source that Russia was actually behind it all.
      And that would be just the first hour.

    7. Re:Ugh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember the Pulse shooting? Where a Muslim announced that he was shooting up gays because Americans needed to die for their treatment of Muslims and because God hated gays?

      LOL, you trying to get anti-homosexuality solely into the Muslim domain, is that it? Too bad for you so many Christians are responding with outrage after the Oregon court decision. Not to mention the one in Colorado. And that Pizza place, no not the one you made up a story to match Kern County's sex abuse hysteria, but the other one. But actually, Omar Mateen was widely reported as being an ISIL (or ISIS) supporter, and the FBI was widely castigated for not doing anything.

      Do you also remember how the media claimed that we would never know the motive, that it wasn't terrorism, that it was actually right-wing terrorism, that the shooter was actually gay and couldn't handle it, that the wife was never involved, and that it was all the Republican's fault anyway?

      Man, you are offended by the media, aren't you? You're forgetting that it was the right-wing media that vehemently insisted that he was secretly gay, aren't you? Of course, they also leave out his racist rhetoric, his steroid use, and all the other questions like how he got such a gun.

      Loughner was described as provoked by Republicans, despite being a far left-wing extremist with severe mental problems.

      Actually, it's the right-wing, aka, you, who is insisting he's a far left-wing extremist, when he's merely a person with severe mental problems. With drug abuse problems. Clearly, a person suffering from debilitating psychological issues independent of any partisan beliefs. But you, you want his politics to matter so much!

      Holmes was called a Tea Partier and violent right-winger terrorist, despite being another left-winger with severe mental problems.

      Actually, it's the right-wing, aka you, who is insisting he's a left-winger, when in fact, the Breitbart story about his voter card was refuted, not just one about him being a Tea Partier. Except that's another case of documented mental health issues.

      Hidgkinson was announced as a totally non-political random shooting, despite being a Bernie-Bro who declare his intention to assassinate a dozen Republicans to force new elections to replace them with Democrats.

      Hodgkinson was widely identified as a Bernie supporter, and yet despite Republican vehemence in trying to create a conspiracy, no evidence other than his own individual action was ever identified. Unfortunately, with his death, it's impossible to determine if there were other issues, but it's not like he had no history of concern. So iffy. And still no conspiracy.

      You keep trying to make examples, but you choose so many with clear mental health issues. It's amusing since you're also so insistent that people like Dylan Roof, Robert Lewis Dear, Jr, Eric Holder, Adam W. Purinton, had nothing to do with the right-wing, they're just crazy, don't pay attention to them...or your own politicians rhetoric.

      The days of unity in the face of tragedy are long over.

      Good. The easiest way to exploit people is to silence dissent with a convenient emotional appeal to a tragic loss.

      Another 9/11 these days would be met with descriptions of how Trump had provoked it, failed to prevent it, and probably collaborated with it, too.

      Another 9/11 these days should be met with a recognition that it was provoked, and instigated by a policy that even continued after 9/11, and given Trump's own proclivities, that would including blaming him. He is rather dumb.

      Of course, it would be remiss not to point out that it was decades of American policy behind it, but that doesn't mean he's not capable of no lows. Still, the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, the whole Axis of Terror business, the PATRIOT Act, it's terrible. Do

    8. Re:Ugh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't say "over" but I would say generally.

      Locally it's not over. People in Houston came together after Harvey - color, sexual orientation, religion, political orientation....didn't matter. people helping people.

      was an awesome sight.

    9. Re:Ugh.. by ledow · · Score: 1

      9-11 was 17 years ago.

      17 years ago, the Internet was a very different place, Slashdot hadn't been sold off nearly as many times, 6-digit uids were almost unheard of, and there was actually some kind of geek culture around here that influenced others.

      And all I remember of the 9-11 coverage on Slashdot was thinking "Oh, for fuck's sake, if I wanted that, I'd go on a news site or research it myself, I want to read about SOMETHING ELSE" like I always did on Slashdot - the stuff nobody else thought important, posted about, was niche to my interests, etc.

      I never understood why a website with a prescribed niche should jump on a current news story that everyone else is covering, using the same links everyone else was - it was literally to get more page-views.

      When shit like that happens, after I've read the initial reports, I split my reading between "Hey, new update on that news story" and "Holy fuck, can someone just talk about ANYTHING else because this is pissing me off that we're giving it so much attention and everywhere I turn we're talking about it again".

      The one before that was Princess Diana dying (for UK users... fuck that was impossible to avoid for about 9 months).

      Hint: 17 years on and you're still talking about 9-11. Who won their permanent fame through that, irreparably harming the reputation of security services and military (it took you HOW long to find him when the whole world was looking for him?), and permanently inscribing fear of terrorism into every policy, procedure, rulebook, law, emergency scenario, panic, and rumour? And how? By people not shutting up about it and giving them their intention.

      Here's how I would have liked a civilised country to respond to such things via headlines:

      - Terrorist act on WTC.
      - Other news.
      - Other news.
      - Ten years of other news.
      - Terrorist responsible for WTC attacks killed.
      - Other news.
      - Other news.

      Precisely because of places like Slashdot responding as they did, for as long as they did, and constantly re-invoking the demons, we have the world we live in today. I'm not at all sure that's a good thing given that terrorism is hardly new.

  14. You misspelled the first misspelling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on... Anyone can spell Birkenstock incorrectly!

  15. Und ziss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iz how vee say goodbye in Austria, DOCTOR JONES!!!

  16. Birkenstock by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

    common Birkenstock misspellings by booking variants like 'Birkenstock,'

    You have to admit that those two spellings are very close indeed.

  17. Birkenazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those shouting like nazi to close down shops retailer selling online a SINGLE pair!

  18. Resale Price Maintenance or price fixing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is it shoes and cosmetics are obsessed with price fixing? We had this debase with grey marketing many times before.

      It goes like this - you are not allowed to sell that pair of shoes for less that $80. Most countries ban this anti competitive practice.Cameras watches and i Phones are also price fixed to extents, including controlling spare parts.
    Price fixing means you - the consumer pays more, and probably geolocation price fixing as well. Authorized re-seller is just a code word to control prices though treats of dealership cancellation, which is why Birkenstock made that promise.

    You see real outlet stores have to pay for shopfronts and sales staff And the other rule is they don't want alternative choices displayed next to theirs. Lastly franchise license fees can go off to an untaxed tax haven, mostly.

    Amazon devalues brand names - really simple. No storefront means consumers get a cheaper price for a standardised product, while Amazon rakes off a slice. Physical store sales slump, some go out of business, brand awareness declines.You wont see Coke and Pepsi displayed in the same outlet if they have their way.

    The bit about fakes is just noise and makeup. Amazon wants to greymarket supply it cannot get, and cannot induce retailers to sell.

    I think any brandname vendor who refuses to sell openly should be hit with a sales tax, say 100%, before state tax is applied.

  19. Huh? by BlueCoder · · Score: 1

    Interesting but very confusing summary.

  20. more trouble for Amazon ahead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Germany all commercial sellers have to register with the tax office. They get a ID and have to pay VAT. Foreign sellers have to do the same when selling goods in Germany via Amazon. Still most Chinese sellers neither register nor pay VAT. That's clearly tax fraud and an offence. Since Amazon doesn't check if the Chinese sellers have a valid German tax ID if they wan't to sell their goods in Germany, Amazon is aiding the tax fraud. It's time that Amazon is held responsible for that.

    1. Re:more trouble for Amazon ahead by geekmux · · Score: 1

      In Germany all commercial sellers have to register with the tax office. They get a ID and have to pay VAT. Foreign sellers have to do the same when selling goods in Germany via Amazon. Still most Chinese sellers neither register nor pay VAT. That's clearly tax fraud and an offence. Since Amazon doesn't check if the Chinese sellers have a valid German tax ID if they wan't to sell their goods in Germany, Amazon is aiding the tax fraud. It's time that Amazon is held responsible for that.

      Taxes are for the plebs who can't launder their income through Ireland. Obscenely rich people don't pay those; they use their tax money to buy governments instead.

      Besides, it's obviously more important for Bezos to wear the Richest Asshole crown.

    2. Re:more trouble for Amazon ahead by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Let's extend that thought... After all, those Chinese sellers wouldn't sell in the first place if the German consumers didn't buy without first demanding proof of legal registration. So clearly they are responsible as well. And what about DHL/FedEx/UPS/DeutschePost? They clearly delivered a product without ensuring the VAT is properly collected and shipped, so they are also responsible. And those roads used to transport said goods? Why, the paving company must pay as well! In fact, let's just demand everyone on Germany pay another €1000 per year as penalty for their offences!

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  21. germanicuckistan... full of illiterates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    germanicuckistan... full of illiterates
    please, put an end to it and perish already

  22. birks suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sandals made with large grain cork and wax? good for about a year then it rots.

  23. Gray vs knockoffs vs OEM? by spinitch · · Score: 1

    So Birkenstock does not supply or Authorize sale of its brand through Amazon but see lots of footwear available with multiple offers. They could be authentic just gray not thru authorized channels or knockoffs made 3rd shift in cheap foreign country in same factory or nearby with lower quality. If gray tough luck for BS someone found in market and reselling. If knockoffs then Hope BS has stronger case. What is curious is why Amazon advertising if no support from BS? Are the gray stores or knockoffs supporting? Or Amazon trying to pressure BS into an arrangement? Seems knockoffs should offer some recourse for BS but why doesnâ(TM)t BS procure the misspelling ads?

  24. Birkenstock sure doesn't sound like its customers by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

    The Birkenstock crowd has a rep for being the laid-back hippie Earthmother types. This guy sounds like he's engaged in a scorched-earth battle with Amazon and is willing to burn down anyone else who gets in his way.

  25. Re:Birkenstock sure doesn't sound like its custome by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Birkenstock crowd has a rep for being the laid-back hippie Earthmother types. This guy sounds like he's engaged in a scorched-earth battle with Amazon and is willing to burn down anyone else who gets in his way.

    No, he sounds like a guy fed up with unsatisfied consumers who bought "beercanstocks" thinking they were authentic, which will damage a reputable brand and product.

    And if the manufacturer allegedly stopped selling valid product to Amazon US customers a year ago, no wonder he's pissed. Amazon hasn't done jack shit to deter counterfeiters from selling knock-offs. There's a fucking Birkenstock Amazon store which features their logo, valid photos, obscene prices (one pair had a $130 - 817.78 price range?!), and plenty of reviews warning people about fakes.

    Even hippies have their limits. Everyone does.

  26. great niche! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll buy a lot of authentic birkenstock sandals from them, legitimately.

    then i'll open up a store on amazon selling them at higher prices...and make easy money.

    and nothing birkenstock can do about it - first sale doctrine in the US protects me, and my business, from that

    Thanks birkenstock!

  27. I'm confused... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is Birkenstock a variant of Birkenstock?

    1. Re:I'm confused... by Caedite+Eos · · Score: 1

      In some markets, yes.

  28. Really special internet rules for some now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you stop ad words for one then stop for all. Neither should Birkenstock be able to use any.

  29. Is this a... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sandal scandal?

  30. Are the summaries ever corrected? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the first misspelling "Brikenstock" was misspelled back to no misspelling in the summary, the readers got confused, the matter got properly commented, and... that's it, right? No editor ever skims through commentaries to check out for blunders, no reporting mechanism, no nothing?
    I guess it's news for nerds that don't track bugs.
    Man, just how could you mess up this copy&paste? Some auto-correcting got triggered while replacing the left and right double quotes with vertical single quotes?

  31. 1d19 DNN by epine · · Score: 0

    And what permutations, exactly, counts as a misspelling?

    Congratulations, you've made my porn file.

    New category: exactitude porn.

    Typical denizen: He (or she) who hast not yet completed the first chapter of Ur-Nammu for Dummies.

    If a man violates the right of another and deflowers the virgin wife of a young man, they shall kill that male.

    What constitutes a 'virgin' exactly? How do I know if I'm a virgin?

    If the wife of a man followed after another man and he slept with her, they shall slay that woman, but that male shall be set free.

    What constitutes 'following' exactly? Coincidences and the Meaning of Life

    If the man had slept with the widow without there having been any marriage contract, he need not pay any silver.

    What constitutes a 'widow' exactly? I lost the love of my life in my 20s — but I can't call myself a widow'

    Note that this little problem persists. There are rather complex rules (and a lot of paperwork to file) a woman's husband goes off to war and never returns. (The paperwork situation is better if the entire offensive was a mass debacle, worse if a two-man scouting party deep into weakly-held enemy territory.)

    For the entire third act of Cast Away, Tom Hanks interacts weirdly with his ex-widow ex-wife.
    What constitutes an 'ex-widow' exactly?

    What is an 'electron' exactly?

    Interpretations of quantum mechanics

    Hint: brush off your favourite 1d19 and give it a spin.

    The weird thing is, because of Hamming and Shannon's Prediction and Entropy of Printed English we actually have a pretty good idea of exactly what small permutations and combinations of "Birkenstock" lie in the shopping network's Birkenstock catchment basin.

    Furthermore, it would not be a difficult exercise (as these things go) to train a DNN as a shopping keyword spelling corrector.

    A 19-layer DNN would likely be far more generous to Birkenstock than any human judge.

    ———

    Bezos: "But your honour, this shit-box 19-layer DNN was training using a Google TPU consisting of 28 MiB of on chip memory, and 4 MiB of 32-bit accumulators taking the results of a 256x256 array of 8-bit multipliers."

    Judge: And your point is?

    Bezos: On what fucking planet does an 8-bit multiplier qualify as 'exactly'?

    Judge: Oh, I see your point.

    Judge removes wig, sets on bench.

    Judge stands up, removes robe, tosses it onto the floor.

    Judge pulls out smartphone.

    Judge: Siri, book me on the next flight to Tibet, there's been a sudden change of career.

    Siri: Oh, bother, not another one.

    Ex-judge: What did you just say?

    Siri: I just said that 2012 was an excellent year for saffron.

    Ex-judge: So what?

    Siri: Well, one wouldn't want to invest in the wrong colour of self-imposed exile ...

    Ex-judge: Who can fucking tell the difference [glances at Bezos, who is already gloating like a pig in warm mud], uh, who can distinguish one fuh, ah, fine saffron robe from another?

    Siri: You'll be pleasantly surprised what you can learn to distinguish after waking up at 0300 in a small, austere room for two straight years with the same todo list every darn day.

    Ex-judge: Oh,

  32. Misspellings the problem? Nah - it's BeauHD by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Amazon reportedly won business for common Birkenstock misspellings by booking variants like 'Birkenstock,'

    Maybe I'm blind, but I can't see any difference in those two highlighted words... Heckuva good summary there, Beau!

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  33. A tough situation by stikves · · Score: 1

    The situation is a bit more nuanced, and I think it is possible birkenstock is more concerned about non-counterfeit items. Specifically from 3rd party resellers.

    There are small resellers which buy from liquidators, and sell the items at a lower price. Think about Ross stores, but just some random seller on Amazon. This creates a messy situation, for the manufacturer (birkenstock), and of course the buyers.

    1. There are items from actual authorized resellers (or the manufacturer directly)
    2. There are items from 3rd party resellers, who bought at a discount (end of season, black friday, etc)
    3. There are items, which are authentic, but defective. (returns, misprints, typos, etc). These are problematic, since they could not be marked such, but sold as new.
    4. There are counterfeit items.

    I think category 3 is the worst for the brand. You'd get a defective item which should not have been sold, and will blame the brand when it fails early, or when it looks a bit off.

    And I think category 2 is bad for keeping the "premium" prices. An item that is out of season, and was supposed to be off the shelves will be competing with the new offerings. They are both real, and authentic. So why would people pay $120, instead of getting the $60 one?

    Anyway, there is a lot of concern for the manufacturer, so for many brands, Amazon just restricts the sale. (new release Disney items for example).

    1. Re:A tough situation by jasonharrop · · Score: 1

      Your number 2 is akin to a factory outlet, which many/most fashion retailers are happy to have, far enough away from their high street store that their premium customers don't go there.

      It would be solved in part if the 3rd party resellers could be encouraged to mark "last season" goods as such.

      A better solution would be for the brands to make it easy for consumers to check. For example, a page on their site where you could put in the URL of the resellers page, and for each product on it, it would report whether its current or superseded. Amazon could do this too. Or Google...

  34. spoilers by lucm · · Score: 1

    You know, you don't get any extra points for following me round to gainsay every single thing I comment-about

    When your mom told you that you're special and that everyone remembers you, she was lying.

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    1. Re:spoilers by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      You know, you don't get any extra points for following me round to gainsay every single thing I comment-about

      When your mom told you that you're special and that everyone remembers you, she was lying.

      Funny, I remember you commenting on many of my Slashdot postings; therefore, I assume you remember me, too.

      Or do you have some sort of mental disability?

  35. Your brain finds it: Hard to tell the difference! by donak · · Score: 1

    "variants like 'Birkenstock,' 'Bierkenstock,' and 'Birkenstok'"
    That first mis-spelling is "B-R-I-Kenstock". Mind you, you're not the only one, it's taken me 10 minutes to realise what was going on ...

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