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Apple's iPhones Were the Best-Selling Tech Product of 2017 (usatoday.com)

An anonymous reader quotes USA Today: Once again, the iPhone was the best-selling tech product of 2017, selling more units than the No. 2 through No. 5 products combined. According to Daniel Ives, an analyst with GBH Insights, who compiled the chart for USA TODAY, Apple will sell 223 million iPhones in 2017, up from 211 million phones the previous year... Apple took a risk in introducing three new iPhones for 2017...but all in all, Apple sold more iPhones total, although fewer than the peak year of 2015, when it moved 230 million units. (That was the year of the iPhone 6...)

The global market share for smartphones is dominated by Google's Android system, which owns 85%, compared to 15% for Apple's iOS, according to researcher IDC. But the iPhone is the most popular smartphone brand, having opened a huge gap compared to No. 2 Samsung's Galaxy phones at 33 million. However Samsung, which has a broader portfolio of phones, sells more overall. Indeed, in 2016, Samsung shipped over 320 million phones, most lower-priced phones sold outside the United States, like the J3, On8 and A9 lines.

Apple's strong performance through September earned CEO Tim Cook a $9.3 million bonus on top of his $3.06 million salary -- plus vesting of $89.2 million more in Apple stock. Here's the complete list of the five best-selling tech products of 2017:
  • Apple iPhones: 223 million
  • Samsung Galaxy S8 and Note 8 smartphones: 33 million
  • Amazon Echo Dot connected speakers: 24 million
  • Apple Watch: 20 million
  • Nintendo Switch video game console: 15 million

88 comments

  1. Suck it, tuliptards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When Bitcoin is just a distant memory of passed fads like Talking Elmo or Furbies, Apple stock will still be paying sweet dividends.

  2. Even a price point of $1000 didn't stop them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Where are people getting the money to buy these every year?

    1. Re:Even a price point of $1000 didn't stop them by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Informative

      Where are people getting the money to buy these every year?

      They aren't. They're buying them on financing (which is being offered at 0% APR, iirc) and then paying them off over the next two years -- just like when they used to buy them with a contract extension, only without the carrier subsidy for the device cost.

    2. Re:Even a price point of $1000 didn't stop them by maybe111 · · Score: 2

      kids nowadays don't buy cars, they buy "phones"

    3. Re:Even a price point of $1000 didn't stop them by Archimonde · · Score: 1

      Which is kind of sad because the kids who could afford cars were richer then than the kids who can buy phones today.

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    4. Re:Even a price point of $1000 didn't stop them by jittles · · Score: 1

      Where are people getting the money to buy these every year?

      They aren't. They're buying them on financing (which is being offered at 0% APR, iirc) and then paying them off over the next two years -- just like when they used to buy them with a contract extension, only without the carrier subsidy for the device cost.

      It's still cheaper than it used to be. And those of us who don't run out and buy a new phone every two years are saving a hell of a lot more money without the device payment.

  3. So? by p51d007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple sold 223 million phones. Android has zillions of manufacturers, which eclipses anything Apple did. 85% of the smartphone market, is Android.

    1. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and this "Apple iPhones" is bullshit. If you don't cherry pick Samsung's models, Samsung alone sells a lot of phones.

    2. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My question is why do you care who "wins"? Do you worship at the altar of corporatism? Your life must be really really sad. I'm sorry for people like you. It may be time to log off friend.

    3. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. If they counted all samsung phones, it would be more than 300 million this year alone. Since a sales of 75+ millions of samsungs per quarter of 2017 was reported. Cherry picking stats, can even be considered fake news.

    4. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android hasn't lost. Apple devices may have a big profit as single devices, but if you take all the Android phones, be it Samsung, Blu, HTC, Moto, Huawei, and the others, they comprise a much larger total market than the iOS ecosystem. Not everyone has $1000+ for an iPhone X, or $800 for an iPhone 9. In fact, a low end $150 LG phone is "good enough" for most things.

      Just the fact that a single device is selling doesn't mean Android is down and out. The $50 Blu phones found at S-Mart get a lot of people buying them.

      Yes, app developers target iOS first, just because people there have more money to throw around on average. However, it doesn't mean that one can't succeed in the Android market. In fact, there are a lot more specific applications that address needed things with Android than iOS.

      There is plenty of market to go around.

    5. Re:So? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Also, chances are that the "best-selling tech product of 2017" was either nuts, bolts, or nails.

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    6. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you actually want to make an app that can run on all the Android "market share" then you're going to be stuck using some really antique shit like API 12 or whatever. Even worse, the people that use Android phones that old don't buy apps, so you're stuck going add supported only. Android is shit. This is an objective fact.

    7. Re:So? by jeremyp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Android isn't an electronic device, it's an operating system that electronic devices use. When you are looking at which PC manufacturers sold the most computers, you don't lump all the ones that run Windows into one category and say Windows PCs win. Why would you do the same with Android?

      It's not even as if those 85% of phones run the same operating system. Sure it's some version of Android that's been hacked about by the manufacturer and they're only using it because they get it for next to nothing off Google.None of these manufacturers are subscribing to the ideals of Open Source, they use Android because only Google has the financial resources to maintain an operating system to compete with iOS.

      Also, you do not want Android to win. Android and iOS are only as good as they are because of the competition that the other provides. The day that Apple is forced out of the Smartphone market is the day that Android stops getting better.

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    8. Re:So? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      You kind of have to lump Android smart phones together because they are eating each others lunch, which reduce their individual numbers because it is a much more competitive market, still not competitive enough but it is getting there. Apple is it's own carefully constructed PR=B$ market, not that it is awful but they have their market niche that they have crafted and are keeping alive. Interesting thought in numbers, how much larger would Apple's market be if the dropped their prices, would it grow or shrink, keeping in mind a dropping price would damage their artificial marketing perception of a premium brand where price is the sole arbiter of perception of value (nothing unusual about about think Wine and people's perception of quality of flavour tied more to price and label on the bottle, rather than it's content, ohh look at me at can piss a thousand dollar bottle of wine against the porcelain, ain't I special, no you are a gullible egoist buying into marketing, you are a whale, a person who also gets targeted for play to win because ego demands you win and cheating is still winning).

      Will Android continue to dominate probably not, I expect a resurgence of pure Linux as manufacturers seek to diminish Google's control and gain control for themselves. This especially tied to the US governments idiot spy vs spy and we must dominate shenanigans in the tech market, creating a we can not trust anyone especially Americans in the market. Which in turn drives countries to a roll your own tech market and of course FOSS is the fuel of that market.

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    9. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My question is "Why do you care that someone is upset about biased journalism? Do you worship at the altar of Apple? Your life must be really sad. I'm sorry for people like you. It may be time to stop sucking on Steve Job's mummified jerky treat friend."

    10. Re:So? by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      When you are looking at which PC manufacturers sold the most computers, you don't lump all the ones that run Windows into one category and say Windows PCs win.

      You say that as if there aren't sites devoted to trying to determine the market share between Windows and Mac OS.

    11. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like how they needed 15 patches to fix all the shirt that was broken...

      Wait, i wasn't talking about Android ;)

    12. Re:So? by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple is it's own carefully constructed PR=B$ market, not that it is awful but they have their market niche that they have crafted and are keeping alive.

      Here's a tip - people are smarter than you think.

      If Apple products were all flash and no substance, they wouldn't sell. People would buy it once, sees it sucks, and refuse to buy another. This happens extremely often, and these days, many people don't even buy one if something sucks. (See movies - after the first showing, you get the general idea of how a movie ranks. Rotten Tomatoes and other sites do nothing but aggregate both reviewers and audiences, and sometimes there can be poorly reviewed movies that resonate with audiences, and movies with great reviews but poor audience reviews).

      So if Apple really sold garbage, they wouldn't be where they are today - there's only so much RDF and fanboyism out there.

      Theyâ(TM)re comparing the annual sales of 10 models of iPhone to 3 models of Galaxy? In 2017 Apple sold the iPhone 5C, 5S, 6 (Plus), 6S (Plus), SE, 7 (Plus), 8 (Plus), & X.

      No, Apple did not sell the 5C or the 5S this year - the iPhone SE replaced both in 2016. Some carriers might have offered them for sale as free with plan, but that's a carrier getting rid of recycled units. Same with the 6 and 6S and associated Plus mdoels - they were replaced with the 7 introduced last year and Apple stopped selling them. Again, carriers might sell them as free with plan to clear existing stock. Though in general, sales of the current model (like the 7) drop off sharply after the new year as people get to the middle of the cycle and prefer to wait for the new unit. But even at a carrier store, sales of the "old models" generally fall flat - people want the latest and greatest, and carriers have to push the old models for free just to get any movement on them.

    13. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But this is /. which is well known for being pro-Apple and often "reports" PR news. As soon as something is "an anonymous reader..." you know the following text is shilling, PR, or click-bait.

    14. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus man, it's right there in the summary. And another post regurgitating the summary got modded 5 Insightful. Good clear independent thinking there. Who exactly are the sheeple anyway?

    15. Re:So? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Android isn't an electronic device, it's an operating system that electronic devices use. When you are looking at which PC manufacturers sold the most computers, you don't lump all the ones that run Windows into one category and say Windows PCs win. Why would you do the same with Android?

      Good point! So it was Apple with 223 million phones over multiple versions, and Samsung with 320 million phones over multiple versions.

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    16. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And apple programs will have to update all their code to handle throttlegate. Have to compensate for all the slowdowns and dropped frames.

    17. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So much fragmentation in the apple world.

    18. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    19. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    20. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If Apple products were all flash and no substance, they wouldn't sell"

      i give you the jeans, they are hot and sticky in the summer, super cold in the winter, not the softest fabric around at all, their flexibility is subpar. Everybody wears them

      apple products are not technology, are fashion, thats why they sell more phones than anything else they sell, you can show a phone to anyone, harder to show your computer. SImple as that

      and i dont care if its not the popular opinion, while im at it: hip hop is not music either

    21. Re:So? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      They are a premium product but the price in no way justifies the premium. Much like Miele prices are over the top, they are premium, but the price does not justify the premium. I still buy Miele, they are reliable, that reliability not quite justified by the price but, there is no product really in-between, so they can charge more. Pretty much same as Apple, they could charge less but they charge more based upon effective marketing. Other products are much cheaper but they are build much cheaper. There are no products in between hence allowing Apple to push up it's margins for a limited market, and add a bit more for perceived exclusivity. I just wanted a washers to last well over a decade with no hassles, so paid substantively extra versus other brands. Apple does not fit there as computer do not last decades and phones are actively designed to fail. Really for Apple to charge extra, they should allow user replaceable batteries and screens, they should do more to justify the price because reliability is most certainly not there, say compared to Miele products in their market segment.

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  4. Undiebunched fanboids incoming!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Let the kvetching about replacable batteries and walled gardens commence!

    1. Re:Undiebunched fanboids incoming!!! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      You don't think that Apple might be selling more phones because of the removable battery and walled garden? And also slowing down old phones to make you buy another.

      One of the reasons us wild animals are wary of moving to the farm is because we think the farmer might have an ulterior motive for feeding you farm animals up.

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    2. Re:Undiebunched fanboids incoming!!! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      High-end Android phones increasingly don't come with removable batteries either. It's amusing to watch the older Samsung Galaxy ads. It took a whole year to go from a removable battery being the flagship feature that they mocked Apple for not having to the next device in the same series not having one.

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    3. Re:Undiebunched fanboids incoming!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another Android sheep heard from. You left out "shiny". Please do try to check all the boxes.

  5. Lies, Damn Lies, and Sales Figures... by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe they're working on partial data from the vendors, but those entirely arbitrary groupings of specific products, closely related products, and entire product ranges make this pretty a meaningless apples to oranges comparison. The figure of 223m is for all models of iPhone, e.g. every model of phone Apple makes (albeit unclear if they mean just the three models released in 2017 or older models too), yet the figure for Samsung is for one pair of related models out of many other ranges, most of which are part of the Galaxy line which they then go on to state is more popular than the iPhone, and the other three products on the list are specific models, albeit with some different bundle and style options.

    You can't even say it's done that way to turn it into a pro-Apple fluff piece because there's no way that those 223m iPhones Apple shipped can't end up with them having the most popular individual product of 2017 (almost certainly the iPhone 8) when broken down to that level.

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    1. Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Sales Figures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. It even says Samsung sold 320m phones.

      So it's just some marketing BS put out by someone getting kickbacks from Apple.

      When I started using Android years ago. I was literally the only one. Now, iPhone users are the exceptions

    2. Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Sales Figures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's fair to include Samsung's lower priced phones because Apple now has its own entry: the iPhone SE.

      The iPhone SE is $350 direct from Apple, or as low as $160 from certain carriers (AT&T Prepaid at Best Buy, Total Wireless, and Consumer Cellular). It might be subsidy-locked (AT&T Prepaid will work on AT&T MVNOs, at least), but it's available.

      So it's perfectly fair to compare lower-priced Android phones against iPhones now.

    3. Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Sales Figures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no it is fucking ridiculous. They compare the Galaxy 8 to Note 8 to ALL Iphones and say each is a single product. That is just bad no matter how you look at. either select a single product or include all versions of a product.

    4. Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Sales Figures... by Zocalo · · Score: 2

      When I started using Android years ago. I was literally the only one. Now, iPhone users are the exceptions.

      I've been firmly in the Android camp for years too (since Froyo), but I think that likely depends a great deal on your circle of acquaintances. I work in IT and civil engineering but spend a lot of my spare time doing photography, visiting galleries, and mixing with people more on the artistic/creative end of the spectrum. There's a fair bit of overlap between the two groups (quite a few in STEM fields are also into photography), but in general the former are almost exclusively Android users and the latter almost exclusively Apple, with those like myself that straddle the two groups being those more likely to be the exceptions in a given gathering. That division doesn't really surprise me; Apple marketing clearly puts style pretty high up their feature list, Android phone marketing tends to focus more the specs, so I guess they all know their target audience and are playing to it.

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    5. Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Sales Figures... by tbq · · Score: 2

      They’re comparing the annual sales of 10 models of iPhone to 3 models of Galaxy? In 2017 Apple sold the iPhone 5C, 5S, 6 (Plus), 6S (Plus), SE, 7 (Plus), 8 (Plus), & X. Samsung started selling the Galaxy 8 and 8+ this past spring and the Note 8 in September. A fair comparison would be comparing the iPhone X to the Note 8 since both were released this past fall and have similar price points. I’d assume the X sold more units than the Note, but I haven’t seen the numbers for either.
      Either way Samsung sells around 50% more phones than Apple, and makes components for all of the iPhones and many other smart phones as well.

    6. Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Sales Figures... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      I work in the security group in one of the top computer science departments in the world, and I think I'm the only one on the corridor that has an Android phone. It helps that one of my colleagues wrote a bunch of the code that they use for sandboxing, but we work with both the Apple and Android security teams and there's no way any of us would trust important data to an Android phone.

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    7. Re:Lies, Damn Lies, and Sales Figures... by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      It's quite entertaining how, every year, theses articles about how Apple sells so many more phones than everybody else just keep coming out, yet Apple's share of the phone market just keeps shrinking. BTW, looks like stormy weather for Apple in 18Q1. I guess the diehards all shot their wads.

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    8. Re: Lies, Damn Lies, and Sales Figures... by swillden · · Score: 1

      we work with both the Apple and Android security teams and there's no way any of us would trust important data to an Android phone.

      Why not? In detail, if you could.

      I'm a member of the Android security platform team. My perception is that Apple is ahead in a few areas and Android in a few others, but that overall up-to-date Android devices are about as secure as up-to-date Apple devices. It's worth pointing out that the iPhone was popped in several mobile hacking competitions this year, but neither the Pixel nor Pixel 2 were.

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  6. Apple Watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think the real news here is that the Apple Watch made the list. Who the heck buys those things?

    1. Re:Apple Watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assholes.

    2. Re:Apple Watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wasn't aware that Apple watch was so popular with Slashdot users.

    3. Re:Apple Watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hipsters who always display it and try to use it with Apple Pay, waving it around the card reader at the grocery stores like it is a magic wand, trying to get their purchase confirmed. Because it is from Apple, people buy it.

    4. Re:Apple Watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The list itself is highly questionable given the way they group iphones togethers to make them a single product while separating out the rest and combining 2 products for Samsung. regardless the turd that is the apple watch for something that was supposed to explode in sales has been pretty awful failure for them especially when you take into account a large number of them were purchased either by the hardcore fanboi's, as poorly thought out gifts or given away by apple as they try to get people to buy them.

    5. Re:Apple Watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the real news here is that the Apple Watch made the list. Who the heck buys those things?

      I don't know. They're useless, as all smart watches are.
      It doesn't matter, smartwatches will soon go the way of cinema 3d.

    6. Re: Apple Watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tim Cock's butthole alone will take 1 kilomile of these stupid watches.

  7. To Make You by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    And also slowing down old phones to make you buy another.

    Which is cheaper: $29 battery replacement, or new iPhone.

    HMMMMM.

    Meanwhile on Android instead of slowing down the phones or offering cheap battery replacements, you just get to have a phone that has half the battery life after a few years. Sounds VASTLY MORE AWESOME.

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    1. Re:To Make You by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      My old S5 and my current V20 both have user replaceable batteries.

      The $29 offer is for the phones they've been throttling, and only to the end of the year

      https://www.apple.com/batterie...

      Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles. The one-year warranty includes service coverage for a defective battery. If it is out of warranty, Apple offers a battery service for $79, plus $6.95 shipping, subject to local tax.

      And you have to either send it in or make an appointment and bring it in

      https://support.apple.com/ipho...

      Plus they don't promote that service. And they didn't tell the people whose phones they throttled that it would fix it to try to nudge the non technical ones into replacing the phone, which Apple users do more frequently than Android ones.

      https://www.fool.com/investing...

      But those days are largely over, according to new information from Citigroup. Americans now take an average of 29 months to upgrade their cell phone, up from 28 months at the end of last year, and an increase of 24 to 26 months that was typical just a couple of years ago, as noted in a recent Wall Street Journal article. And just four years ago, the upgrade cycle was just 22 months. ...
      Originally, Munster thought the program would reduce the average iPhone user's upgrade time frame from 22 months to only 15 months. But that 15 month time frame would mean iPhone users would be upgrading their phones 14 months earlier than the average American, based on Citigroup's new data. And with Apple's iPhone sales currently slowing, that quick upgrade time seems even more unlikely.

      I.e. the average for all cell phone users in the US is 29 months, for iPhone users it is 22. And Apple are trying to push that down.

      Meanwhile on an S5 or V20 you can pop out to the store, buy a battery and change it yourself with zero downtime.

      Wake up sheeple, Farmer Tim Cook is fattening you up for SLAUGHTER!

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    2. Re:To Make You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I replaced the battery in my iPhone 6 in about 20 minutes. Easy if you're not a complete twatwaffle.

    3. Re: To Make You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol sure there izombie. Make up lies to help apple cover up their design flaws. 12 lawsuits and counting.

    4. Re:To Make You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just bought a new Android phone, and it has a replaceable battery, and a decent 400 GB MicroSD card ensures that storage isn't an issue. Cost? $130. It even has a fingerprint scanner and a stylus.

      Plus, with root, a good firewall program that uses iptables, and iptables based ad blocking, the devices is a shitload more secure than iOS ever will be, just because apps can't phone home even if they get permission to unless I authorize them, and I can limit their communication by site.

    5. Re:To Make You by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      How many iPhone users are the sort of people who say "I looked at the iFixit video, and I'm comfortable doing it myself or I know a store that will do it. I know about LiIon battery life and Apple's throttling policy and I know I can avoid that by replacing the battery" and how many are people who buy and iPhone because "it just works" and replace it because "it got slow".

      Tell the truth now.

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    6. Re:To Make You by tsa · · Score: 1

      I'l wager a guess and say that it's less than 1 in 10000.

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    7. Re:To Make You by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I've looked at videos on battery replacement on sealed and it looks like you're going to crack the screen the first time you do it.

      Actually I spend quite a lot of time in Taiwan these days so I could probably find someone who'd know how to do it and would do it cheaply while I waited and practised my aggressively bad Mandarin. Hell I could probably score the parts for another whole iPhone if I had to. But for most people - especially people who buy iPhones - it's not like that.

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    8. Re:To Make You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The V20? You mean the one with the dog-slow processor, shitty camera, and higher price than the contemporary iPhone? Good one. How about that stutter-lag-while-scrolling? Nice and smooth isn't it? Feels like the phone is always one step behind you. But apart from that for an $800 phone it does have some nice features.

    9. Re:To Make You by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      It's about $358 now as I pointed out in my encyclical on gluttony, of which you are probably guilty.

      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      It's a got a Snapdragon 820 which is enough for me since I'm not into mobile games. The camera is pretty OK.

      Basically it's a phone based on a year old Qualcomm reference platform with a removable battery. Which is what I wanted.

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    10. Re:To Make You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're fixated on this simple problem that a little bit of money makes go away. I don't want a permanent trap door on my phone just so once after two years I can put in a new battery. Instead you opt for a phone that comes with an extra LG layer on top of the OS, is filled with gigabytes of bloatware, and has the name of your fucking carrier emblazoned on the back? And for heaven's sake, don't get it wet!
      Sure, you can't make it waterproof, but maybe you're at least capable of disposing of the bloatware. But I'd guess the number of buyers capable of that is about the same as iPhone users in your example comfortable with changing their own battery.

  8. Slashdot vs. iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they think they can ride out the iPhone popularity wave instead of dealing with the iOS unicode character changes.

    â()â

  9. Apple doesn't release sales numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So how is this possible?

  10. Count all Samsung phones,Numbers are just wrong by bongey · · Score: 4, Informative

    This site shows ALL Samsung phones shipments, which easily is 240 million. https://www.statista.com/stati...

  11. Re: And Trump became president of the U.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why will he die in prison? Paul

  12. You need to read your links by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The $29 offer is for the phones they've been throttling

    So in other words the other models all work the same as Android phones where the actual battery life you get each day gets worse.

    So then what is the problem with Apple offering this plan only for the phones with the "flaw", unless the flaw is actually a better idea from the start and you just refuse to admit it.

    And you have to either send it in or make an appointment and bring it in

    Or buy a battery online... but taking it in takes about an hour and you can wander around the mall while you wait.

    , which Apple users do more frequently than Android ones.

    [citation needed] I see Apple phone owners using them for lots longer than most Android phone owners, because they get updates and support vastly longer than most Android phones do.

    In particular you utterly misread your article, which says:

    Americans now take an average of 29 months to upgrade their cell phone

    That's Apple *and* Samsung

    The 22 months they talk about in the second half of your quoted segment relates to the 22 months ALL CELL PHONES used to be upgraded by (because of carrier plans). And the article says overall those upgrade times are increasing for Apple and Samsung.

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    1. Re: You need to read your links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, you understand that this 29 dollar thing is just for a year, right?

      This offer won't even affect the people currently buying phones because they won't need replacements until the next year

    2. Re:You need to read your links by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Americans now take an average of 29 months to upgrade their cell phone

      That's Apple *and* Samsung

      Yeah, and later on the say the average for Apple alone is 22 months and Apple are offering a subscription model to reduce this to 15 months

      Originally, Munster thought the program would reduce the average iPhone user's upgrade time frame from 22 months to only 15 months. But that 15 month time frame would mean iPhone users would be upgrading their phones 14 months earlier than the average American, based on Citigroup's new data. And with Apple's iPhone sales currently slowing, that quick upgrade time seems even more unlikely.

      You can see there that the time for the average American is 29 months, and the time for Apple users is 22. They tried the subscription model to reduce it and then, I'm sure coincidentally, decided to throttle old iPhones to make them slower. Of course iPhones have an odd bug which causes them to shut down when it is cold that other cell phones don't seem to have. However throttling old devices is a good way to convince people to buy new ones, particularly if you don't tell them you're doing it because they need a new battery.

      Apart from throttling Apple's upgrade system means old phones get new software. Which probably has decent performance on the latest device but crappy performance on the old ones. And cell phones tend to slow down with time anyway - my old S5 got slow and the battery life was bad so I did a firmware reset and replace the battery. When it got slow again I decided to replace it because V20s are pretty cheap now.

      I.e. Apple have a number of subtle pushes to upgrade - throttling old devices, upgrading them to new software by default and making the battery non upgradeable for the vast majority of their rather non technical user base.

      Which has got them a 22 month upgrade cycle compared to the 29 month average. And they're aiming to get that down to 15 months. A $1000 phone that lasts for 22 months on average is not a good deal. And actually if you t might cost you twice that.

      https://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/new...

      The cost of owning the latest iPhone, including the inevitable screen repairs, is set to be higher than ever for the hoards of Apple fans who have already pre-ordered the latest iPhone X.

      It comes as more premium pricing emerges for the after-sales element of owning the iPhone X.

      Inc reports that it will cost $279 to get the screen repaired on an iPhone X. "Miscellaneous" repairs will be billed at as much as $549.

      It almost goes without saying, therefore, that you should BUY A CASE.

      Applecare? That's $199, compared to $129 for the iPhone 8 and $149 for the iPhone 8 Plus.

      So let's take a look at how this works. Let's assume you buy a full price iPhone X off contract. £1,149. We're going to work on the basis that Apple is using 1:1 pricing for everything else as it is for the handset.

      You're going to want Applecare. £200. Now let's assume you smash the screen three times (it's likely) in the two years.

      If you don't opt for Applecare, that's £840. If you do, there's still an excess of £25 a pop to pay. That's £275, assuming you don't drop it in the toilet.

      For an example, we're added in Three's Advanced Plan at £29.00 a month. In total that's £696 in airtime. We'll ignore Three's no-upfront-cost Advanced Plan, which will set you back a mere £114 per month for two years. That's £2,736 before case, repairs and so on!

      Now let's add a decent case for good measure. Mobilefun is doing a Ghostek Nautical Series Waterproof case for £39.99. That's far from the most expensive here, but it'll do the job.

      So that's £2,359.99 without any roaming charges, any "miscellaneous" damage repairs, any subscriptions to Apple Music, any ap

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    3. Re: You need to read your links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The discount is for a year, the throttling is forever.

  13. Re:Everyone can buy two next year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, more money to everyone! It's like magic.

    In reality, the sick and the poor will be footing the bill. You'll be just as unhappy as you were a few weeks ago with your new phone in your hand, while a massive number of people every day will suffer from treatable and preventable diseases, or end up in some social hole they are unable to dig themselves out of because the republicans will cut medicaid and social security.

  14. Amazing by tsa · · Score: 1

    Isn't it amazng that a product that is complained about so much here still sells so well? Apple must do something good. But what is it?

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    1. Re:Amazing by organgtool · · Score: 1

      Apple must do something good. But what is it?

      Vendor lock-in + Stockhold Syndrome.

    2. Re: Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cater emojis to 12 year old girls.

    3. Re:Amazing by tsa · · Score: 1

      Maybe, just maybe it's because Apple stuff usually works well, is supported for a very long time and is nice?

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    4. Re:Amazing by organgtool · · Score: 1

      I think there's a lot of truth in both of our ideas.

    5. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope i agree with Vendor lock-in + Stockhold Syndrome. Enjoy your throttled phone for a very long time.

    6. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly! But it mights just be...

      Vendor lock-in + Stockhold Syndrome + fashion + overpriced-deluted-bragging-rights
      + the Jobs reality distortion field has not fully faded yet

  15. Apple is doomed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else notice, the fact that a huge percentage of posts by apple fans in apple topics are about things that apple will NEVER ever do (like an Upgradable Mini, stop making things thin just because, headphone jacks, etc) just shows how little Apple actually gives a crap now what their customers actually want.

    This is a pure sign that company is doomed if you ask me. I believe that I have purchased my last iphone when my 6s is done, and I have purchased my last Mac when my current iMac is done.

    I like MacOS but I am done waiting for a decent new mac or mini with an upgradable video card, easily accessed drive expansion, and some decent standard ports, and I am going to build a kick ass windows box in 2018, and start migrating my family to it.

    I also like iOS, but the next phones purchased for this family of 5 that we buy will have replaceable batteries, cases and phone bodies are not purposely fragile as **** to sell more, headphone jacks, sd card slots, and usb based charging port. If there is an apple phone that meets those needs great, if not then something else will be purchased.

    It is shocking when you think about how deaf and dumb the people at Apple have become.

  16. Re:Everyone can buy two next year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's hilarious. The poor barely pay taxes as it is, they're not footing anything. They're just not getting much back since they don't put much in in the first place. Nice try.