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Germany Starts Enforcing Hate Speech Law (bbc.com)

Germany is set to start enforcing a law that demands social media sites move quickly to remove hate speech, fake news and illegal material. From a report: Sites that do not remove "obviously illegal" posts could face fines of up to 50m euro ($60m). The law gives the networks 24 hours to act after they have been told about law-breaking material. Social networks and media sites with more than two million members will fall under the law's provisions. Facebook, Twitter and YouTube will be the law's main focus but it is also likely to be applied to Reddit, Tumblr and Russian social network VK. Other sites such as Vimeo and Flickr could also be caught up in its provisions.

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  1. Shouldn't they, of all countries, know better? by muecksteiner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, what with their long and illustrious history of totalitarianism and censorship. Which always worked out so perfectly, right?

    I guess the correct reply to this whole censorship thing would be "Jawohl, mein Führer!" (spoken to their "Minister of Justice" who came up with this insanity). And I wish this was funny, instead of tragic.

    1. Re:Shouldn't they, of all countries, know better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The "hate speech" laws are designed to crack down on "extremists" but of course they'll be used to crack down on "dissenting opinion" soon enough as the concept of hate speech is ill-defined and open to interpretation.

    2. Re:Shouldn't they, of all countries, know better? by religionofpeas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That must be why they've opened their borders for Jew-hating immigrants.

    3. Re:Shouldn't they, of all countries, know better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's all good and well when you agree with what constitutes evil, but if you had asked anyone in the German government in the 1930's what evil needed prevention I bet it wouldn't have been people saying mean things about Jews. Now you've created a legal instrument to suppress speech the government decides is "bad." What happens when what the government decides is "bad" isn't what you think is "bad"? They have a legal tool to stop you from saying "hateful" things, like that the Aryan race isn't the master race.

      Why are pro-authoritarians always such morons?

    4. Re:Shouldn't they, of all countries, know better? by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      corporations had no problem doing business with Hitler

      Because, in most cases, they saw things exactly as the British prime minister did. How bad could this guy REALLY be, after all? Or, they were businesses that literally had no choice because if they didn't play ball they were destroyed, and the company's assets and reigns handed to someone else. But for companies outside of Germany, don't underestimate the Chamberlain effect. Or the sort of blithe dismissal of Nazi evilness exhibited by Democrats like FDR until it was much too late.

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    5. Re:Shouldn't they, of all countries, know better? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Incitement" is bullshit. Rioting is a choice. Losing your head to the mob is no excuse. Large groups of people are just as dangerous as any other animal, you should expect the worst when they become agitated, but people do it by choice, either way, the best move is to keep a safe distance.

      Riiiight. A stick of dynamite has a "choice" to blow up. It's not my fault if I light the fuse.

      If you say something that causes mass panic and could incite a riot, you are behaving in an irresponsible, if not criminal manner.

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    6. Re:Shouldn't they, of all countries, know better? by skam240 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, "right there in the name"? So the Democratic Republic of North Korea (North Korea's legitimate name) is a Democratic Republic? What a world you live in. But alright, sure, on economic issues Nazis are to the Left a good portion of the time.

      Now here's something that is really going to blow your mind though. This is not at all the reason why Nazis are one of history's greatest monsters. If the Germans had stayed in Germany and not killed millions of people no one would care.

      Basically, what makes Nazism is not socialized medicine or retirement plans. That's just a modern scare tactic some American small government types love to wave around.

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    7. Re:Shouldn't they, of all countries, know better? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They opened their borders to victims of terror. Can some terrorists sneak in? Of course. But that doesn't mean one can just ignore the human tragedy that's going on outside one's borders. Instead, one screens the people coming in, and tries one's best to keep the terrorists out.

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    8. Re:Shouldn't they, of all countries, know better? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nazis are not socialists. They adopted some socialist ideas to get elected, standard populist stuff. But as soon as they had a grip on power they abandoned all that.

      Gotta ask, does having a word in the name really make you think the organisation is that word? I mean, do you think that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy? I don't think that's how it works.

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  2. Those who forget history... by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And so it begins again.

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  3. If You Care About Free Speech, Prove It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    All human institutions must demonstrate their worth or they will be discarded. That's not a value judgment, its a statement about human nature. History is littered with discarded institutions that became irrelevant or even detrimental - chattel slavery, adultery laws, male-only suffrage, latin-only bibles, the feudal system, colonialism, monarchies, etc.

    The reason free expression is under attack is because its perceived as doing more harm than good. If you think free speech is important, then you can't just make empty declarations of how terrible these developments are and expect to make any difference at all. You need to actually use your right to free speech to make the world a better place because the forces of evil are dedicated to using their right to free speech to make the world suck.

  4. It's an admission ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... that social media is not your father's "me too," AOL.

    The problem is not that there's hate speech on social media.

    The problem is that people on social media validate the activity by objecting.

    When governments regulate social media, social media becomes a branch of the government.

    It's not. Leave it alone and don't feed the trolls.

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  5. Always the left pushing "hate speech" laws. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's a good point.

    Another thing we should remember is that it's always the political left pushing for "hate speech" legislation. It doesn't matter if we're talking about European nations, Canada, Australia, or even the US.

    It's always members of the political left who want to start classifying speech and limiting it in such ways. Of course, it's conveniently also always members of the political left who get to determine what is and what isn't "hate speech".

    The political right takes the opposite approach. Instead of preventing the expression of ideas, they prefer to use free expression to point out where they think that others are wrong, allowing any listeners/readers/viewers to come to their own conclusions.

    President Trump is a good example of this. He doesn't push for the shutdown or silencing of media organizations that he questions the reporting of. Rather, he calls them out in public, often right to their faces. He presents his case, and lets everyone else make up their own minds.

    When we compare the two approaches, it's clear that the pro-expression approach used by the political right is preferable for society at large. It's far more open and equitable than the censorship and silencing that the political left would prefer to use.

    The political right pushes for free speech and free expression for all. The political left pushes for highly-controlled speech, where it is they (the political left) who decides what can be expressed.

    1. Re:Always the left pushing "hate speech" laws. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      No, Trump doesn't present his case. He has no case - he simply throws out insults. And he lies. Frequently and constantly.

      All of his protestations about "fake news" is simply trying to game the ref for more favorable coverage.

    2. Re:Always the left pushing "hate speech" laws. by Dare+nMc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > The political right pushes for free speech and free expression for all.

      I guess you don't count Trump as political right. His plan to tax and punish coaches who don't shut-up players who wouldn't stand for the anthem, and using his official communication channel of his office to call for firing of those who speak against him. The same guy who want to shutdown news media that has opposed him, because fake news is in no way based on truth, but that he doesn't think anything opposing him is not news, no mater how much truth it is based on. That the right isn't doing much to oppose any of this, shows how little the care for the constitution of the US.

      I am not thinking the left is all good, but they are not anything to the extreme that the right is in the US at the moment.

    3. Re:Always the left pushing "hate speech" laws. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Funny how when you guys do it you justify things by saying "freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences" but when someone else decides to simply not subsidize something you like it's fascism.

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    4. Re:Always the left pushing "hate speech" laws. by Dare+nMc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why we don't teach civics to people like you is atrocious, clearly it is needed. The president swore to uphold the constitution, and to hold the rule of law above that of his own personal rights. The constitution is setup to give power to the people, to protect us from those with the power of the government. That is what McCain's post spells out so well.

      Trump is the same as the likes of the leaders of Iraq, Congo, North Korea, Saudi Arabia when he uses his voice as president to attack individuals in order to suppress the political speech of regular citizens. That he also threatened to use his power of presidency really pushes it over the top, and put all of us in jeopardy to be a victim of lawsuits by the people he spoke out against. That so many conservatives now fail to understand the difference between a individuals right, and separate out that any government official that uses the power of their office we gave them, to then violate the constitution ( only to protect his own ego) should be removed from office.

  6. MARXISM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...is always about Mind Control. They know that their ideology is so faulty it cannot stand the test of free speech. So they ALWAYS try to control the flow of information.

    Marxism, Mohammedism, SPARTA - all the same idealist, brutish, deadly stuff.

    1. Re:MARXISM by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As has been previously pointed out, the proponents of these ideologies think that their ideas are so good, they must be mandatory!

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    2. Re:MARXISM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Spoken like a true leftist.

    3. Re: MARXISM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah like antifas heroes, the Bolsheviks never murdered anyone.

    4. Re:MARXISM by Maritz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Mate, go live somewhere with no laws. There are a few of them. Stay there. You'll fucking love it.

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  7. Re:They do by BlueStrat · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They are learning from the mistakes of the past, and are doing their damnest so these horrors never happen again.

    "We had to become Nazis to prevent Nazis!"

    German leaders have become corrupt totalitarians (again). Yes, they learned from the Nazis. I just don't think the lessons they came away with are the same ones that everyone else came away with and assumed everyone shared.

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  8. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How many people were killed by American "alt-right" ?

    What I can see is ANTIFA STORMTROOPERS here in Germany. They use SA methods, just short of outright murder.

    1. Re:Meh by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Americans killed by anti-fascists: 0

      Bullshit. There have been a significant number of cops killed in ambush style killings this year alone, increasingly often by people who've bought into the "anti-fascist"/anti-cop rhetoric of the left. And additionally, racially-motivated killings happen all the time against whites as well, you just will never hear them identified as such by the media because when it's a white victim, it's *never* treated as a hate crime by the media or government (even if the perpetrators are screaming racial epithets as they attack the person).

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    2. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      bet the guy with his skull cracked open doesn't like the "anti-fascists" that busted his face up.

      oh but he's not dead. so violence is ok right?

      you are a real piece of shit.

    3. Re: Meh by c6gunner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So basically anyone who shitposts is a Nazi.

      And you wonder why everyone thinks you're retarded.

    4. Re: Meh by guruevi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Any reputable news site will cover a number of Antifa cop shootings. There was one within the last 72 hours, look it up.

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    5. Re: Meh by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      alt-right jackoff with actual Pepe memes on his Facebook page.

      That's not even what the article says, if you got any further into crazy land by seeing what you can only see? I'd recommend psychiatric help.

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  9. Obligatory C.S. Lewis quote. by Mr307 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

    The left has always had a more slippery slope towards authoritarian, fascist, totalitarian rule since they are imposing it all for our own good.

    1. Re:Obligatory C.S. Lewis quote. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Oh, for FUCK'S SAKE! The right-wing in America has LITERAL NAZIS in it! Nazis being called "good people" by the President of the United States. How fucking retarded (sic) do you need to be to call the LEFT "authoritarian, fascist, totalitarian"?

      Get your head out of your God-damned ass! Trump got elected by following Hitler's playbook, line for line. You are claiming the exact opposite of reality. WHEN fascism comes to America, it will be entirely due to people like you.