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A Cryptocurrency Based On a Dog Meme Is Now Worth Over $1 Billion (vice.com)

Earlier today, the market capitlization of dogecoin, a cryptocurrency based on a meme about a Shiba Inu dog, passed the $1 billion mark for the first time. VICE News reports: Dogecoin was created back in the early days of the cryptocurrency craze. Launched in December 2013 as somewhat of a joke, the meme-inspired coin was dubbed "the internet currency" and designed to promote a sense of community and generosity rather than simply looking to make money. It gained fame during 2014 when it was used to send the Jamaican bobsled team to the Winter Olympics in Sochi and it even sponsored a Nascar team. The currency has been in relative stasis since, and despite no software updates being released in over two years, the cryptocurrency has risen more than 400 percent in the last month -- though one dogecoin is still worth just over 1 cent.

Even Jackson Palmer, one of the founders of the coin, expressed concern about the hyperinflation of dogecoin. "It says a lot about the state of the cryptocurrency space in general that a currency with a dog on it which hasn't released a software update in over 2 years has a $1 billion+ market cap," Jackson told Coindesk.

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  1. Commodity "currency" makes no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It only works because people have convinced enough other people that it makes sense to invest in it. When that stops being the case it's gone overnight.

    The value is completely artificial from start to finish, there's nothing backing it, there's no massive value behind it to stabilize a run. But it exists, and people love new cons.

    1. Re:Commodity "currency" makes no sense by CrankyOldEngineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, NicknameUnavailable. Cryptocurrencies are not commodities. Commodities are physical goods or services that are largely fungible. Like wheat, copper, or oil. Cryptocurrencies are designed to be media of exchange. Their value is only in facilitating trade. (And not even very good at that, in my opinion.) They are not investment vehicles (despite what the US Treasury Dept says) and certainly not goods in the economic sense (ie, they have no instrinsic value).

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    2. Re:Commodity "currency" makes no sense by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It only works because people have convinced enough other people that it makes sense to invest in it. When that stops being the case it's gone overnight. The value is completely artificial from start to finish, there's nothing backing it, there's no massive value behind it to stabilize a run. But it exists, and people love new cons.

      That's more or less money in a nutshell.

      Money is abstract and it's only valuable because people believe it's valuable.

      Once people stop believeing it's valuable, it stops being valuable and that's when hyperinflation happens. At that point being backed by a state or not makes little difference.

      That applies as much to "normal" money as it does to cryptocurrencies.

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  2. Pronuncification by bestweasel · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is it pronounced doggycoin, Dogecoin (as in the onetime rulers of Venice) or something else? I have to know before i invest.

  3. NetJ by gbjbaanb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I will just remind our younger readers of the dotcom boom, where tech stocks were seen as the new big thing and pumped up a bubble that eventually crashed. You can tell the top of this by looking at a tech company that was registered on the NASDAQ called NETJ.COM,

    This had all the right words in the name, "net", "J" (for Java, hot at the time) and ".com" but its description of what the company did was:

    The company is not currently engaged in any substantial activity and has no plans to engage in such activities in the foreseeable future

    and this raised several $110 million in IPO funding from ordinary investors when it floated.

    So a dog coin cryptocurrency "worth" $1bn... just same shit, different day.

  4. Re:That's called deflation, not inflation by LordKronos · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You are missing the effect on wage rises - that they become wage drops. This is where the system breaks. If everything is 5% cheaper next year then that includes the value of your labor. Your company is getting 5% less income because the price of its products is dropping. That filters through to you...

    Yes, all these people hyping deflationary currencies miss this. And they miss the next important consequence of that. Most people have more debt than they do savings. Deflation is good for you if you have lots of savings, but not lots of debt. Most people owe $100k or more on a mortgage, but have only a few $k (if that) in savings. Deflation is a benefit for your meager savings, but is a huge hindrance for your much more sizable debt.

    When you buy a mortgage, you owe a fixed amount of currency. With inflation, over time your income tends to increase slightly year to year, and over the years the mortgage becomes a smaller and smaller part of your income, making it more and more affordable. This is great because if you buy something you can afford, you can generally count on being able to afford it until it's paid off (job loss and severe employment cut being the exception, but that will hold true for deflation also, so lets not consider that). But with deflation, it's the opposite. You get your mortgage, and the payment amount stays the same, but every year your income drops slightly, and thus every year your mortgage payment becomes a bigger and bigger portion of your income. A mortgage that is affordable when you buy it will one day become unaffordable for you.

    I don't think that's what people intend, but that is the natural consequence of a deflationary currency.

  5. Re:Please explain cryptocurrency by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1) So?
    2) Anyone can follow your transactions, not just the bank guys
    3) Counterparty risk lies with the buyer. No fraud protection
    Fiat money is hardly a scam. Central banks can and do manipulate the value of money, and generally they do so to keep inflation at healthy levels. They do not always succeed, but in general the value of your money is pretty stable when it's managed by a decent central bank.

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  6. Re:"Shiba dog dog" by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

    Such grammar nazi. Much passion. Wow.

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  7. Re:That's called deflation, not inflation by LordKronos · · Score: 4, Informative

    Maybe you should take a look at wage increases vs. inflation for the past 70 years or so.

    In the current system, it 'appears' as if your wage is going up, but it is in fact shrinking.

    But in a system built on lies... who wants to hear the truth?

    You are actually wrong. It is not shrinking. Over the long run it in increasing very slightly. Over the last few decades it has mostly been stagnant. Any (slight) decrease is only in the shorter term. When we are talking about mortgage affordability we are generally talking about 30 year spans.
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/se...

    But you completely miss the point of my post. Yes inflation adjusted income only changes slightly over time (which is to be expected...cost of all good adjusts to what people are making, otherwise we'd all be living in mansions and driving ferraris). But look at that graphs above and notice the slope of that nominal income line. Now realize that the slope of your nominal mortgage payment over 30 years is zero. Your mortgage payment stays the same every year, while your income grows and grows. Even if that larger income doesn't give you more buying power, it makes your large mortgage debt easier and easier to afford every year.

    Now try switching to a deflationary currency. To do that, you just flip the graph upside down. Your real (inflation adjusted) income/buying power stays more or less flat over time, but your nominal income would be sloping down. Buy your mortgage payment would stay flat, and every year get just a little more difficult to afford.

  8. Re:That's called deflation, not inflation by LordKronos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And how many of them have debt because the currency is inflationary? For them, it's better to invest in a house and take on that debt than to have the money sitting around.

    Uhhh, considering the average person's "financial intelligence" (there's probably a better term for it that's escaping me right now), I'm pretty sure their level of debt is not a strategic decision. People are in debt because they are careless with spending, don't plan for the future, don't foresee unexpected expenses. And that's WITHOUT having to foresee the effects of decades of deflation on their spending decisions.

    When you buy a mortgage, you owe a fixed amount of currency. With inflation, over time your income tends to increase slightly year to year, and over the years the mortgage becomes a smaller and smaller part of your income, making it more and more affordable.

    The banks are not morons. They know money is worth less in the future, and their interest rate takes that into account. You're not getting a free ride because your currency is constantly being devalued.

    Of course they aren't moron. Of course they figure inflation into it. On the other hand, by comparison, the average person is fairly stupid when it comes to finances. They often can't look 1 or 2 years down the road, much less 10, 20, or 30 years. They can't think about the other things that are going to happen in life, and whether they will continue to be able to afford that payment that seems reasonable today. Having a kid or 2 (possibly by accident), unexpected health complications, having to care for an elderly parent. These are not things most people will take into account when committing to buying a house.

    Inflation provides the vast majority of people with a safety net. Without inflation, a decision you make today that seems financially sound might not be such a good idea when you factor in some future unknown expenses. With inflation, the commitment you make today on buying a house isn't such a large factor in 10+ years when that new expense comes up. On the other hand, deflation is the exact opposite. A seemingly financially sound decision today does not remain financially sound 10 years from now even if no new expenses come up. So now, not only does the average person have to prepare for the unexpected, they are required to look 20-30 years down the road and plan for the expected. They have to take 20-30 years of deflation into account and realize what their income is likely to be that far away to decide if they are likely to be able to afford a house. For the vast majority of people, that's asking a hell of a lot.

  9. Re: That's called deflation, not inflation by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you had a negative rate nobody would lend you the money in the first place. I mean really, you come into my bank, and tell me you want to borrow $1,000 at a -2% interest rate so that, in a year, you can pay me back $980? What kind of moron do you take me for?

    That's part of the problem with deflationary economies right there; even without a negative rate, people are unlikely to lend you money.

    If an economy is inflationary, at 2% that means my $1,000 sitting under my mattress will be worth $980 next year. So if I don't want to lose that $20 it makes sense for me to lend it to you, at say a 3% interest rate, so that I will retain the value of my money and even make a small profit.

    With a 2% deflationary economy, on the other hand, the $1,000 sitting under my mattress will be worth $1,020 next year. I don't need to lend it to you, and take the chance that you won't pay me back; I can just leave it sitting there and it will still be worth more the next year. I would have to be a total moron to risk having you run off with it AND also give you a "negative rate" which guarantees that you pay me back less than you borrowed.