Rust 1.23.0 Released, Community Urged To Blog Ideas For 2018 Roadmap (rust-lang.org)

An anonymous reader quotes the official Rust blog: The Rust team is happy to announce a new version of Rust, 1.23.0... New year, new Rust! For our first improvement today, we now avoid some unnecessary copies in certain situations. We've seen memory usage of using rustc to drop 5-10% with this change; it may be different with your programs... The documentation team has been on a long journey to move rustdoc to use CommonMark. Previously, rustdoc never guaranteed which markdown rendering engine it used, but we're finally committing to CommonMark. As part of this release, we render the documentation with our previous renderer, Hoedown, but also render it with a CommonMark compliant renderer, and warn if there are any differences.
A few new APIs were also stabilized in this release -- see the complete release notes here -- and you no longer need to import the trait AsciiExt to provide ASCII-related functionality on u8, char, [u8], and str.

The Rust blog made another announcement earlier this week. "As open source software becomes more and more ubiquitous and popular, the Rust team is interested in exploring new and innovative ways to solicit community feedback and participation." So while defining Rust's roadmap for 2018, "we'd like to try something new in addition to the RFC process: a call for community blog posts for ideas of what the goals should be."

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2018 Roadmap

[Anonymous Coward]

C > Rust

recursive acronym?

[Anonymous Coward]

RUST = RUST Users Strictly Trannies

MIR Borrowck?

[Anonymous Coward]

Does this have the MIR borrow checker already? When i looked at rust years ago it was full of bugs that where 'oh yeah once we get the MIR borrowck this issue will vanish.' but it never seemed to come so i lost interest.

Re:Most important 2018 goal

[Anonymous Coward]

People who downvote you probably have missed that Rust recently welcomed one of those "all cis white men should die" feminists from NodeJS.

Neil Young was right.

[Anonymous Coward]

Rust never sleeps.

Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't understand why there is so much animosity from slashdot community towards new languages, especially Rust.

Is it to hard to learn, hence sour grapes? Or fear of job security? Come on people, be nice.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

Its leadership and community are full of SJW faggotry.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

It's "language fatigue".

Over the years I have had to work in many languages. For some time it seemed every project I joined required learning yet another language.

Looking back it was mostly a huge waste of time. Having to endlessly learn a new different language, which was mostly conceptually the same as all the others, learn a whole new set of libraries, build systems, idioms, quirks just to be able to do the same things in a different way.

In no particular order: Algol, BASIC, Ada, Pascal, Lucol, PL/M, C, C++, Javascript, Coral 66, Python.

And probably a few others I have forgotten.

At least this year was a bit different. I got into a couple of languages that are conceptually very different from all the above: Verilog, for designing logic in FPGAs. SpinalHDL, for the same but at a much nicer level of abstraction.

And they want be to learn Rust. Or should it be Go. Or what about....

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

Fine, then tell your fellow rust zombies to knock it off with the fanboi "me too mee too rust can do it too" bullshit.

Every time I read something about language A, rust zombies are there jumping around telling me how much better it is to do the exact same thing in rust.

Kindly STFU and let me use the tools i want to use.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[HiThere]

Too many languages making too many unfulfilled promises.

Personally, it looked like an OK language, but one whose parallel processing model wouldn't easily work for my purposes. It also seemed overly complex in places, but that may have reasons that aren't immediately obvious.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

That a pretty harsh statement. There are always bad apples in every community, isn't it harsh to generalize it to the whole community?

Even then the COC is meant to avoid unproductive flame wars and name calling. At least that's my understanding. I am not a Rust programmer, just a curious programmer.

The COC seems to be having an exact opposite effect in non-rust-moderated communities. Almost as if those bad apples banned from the rust communities want to vent their anger in slashdot etc.

It almost seems like instead of banning the trouble makers and making an enemies out of them, it's better to just tolerate them.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

I wish atleast there be one thread for pure technical discussions instead of devolving into name calling non sense every where on slashdot.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

That a pretty harsh statement. There are always bad apples in every community

And in some, there are people who are full on mental. Master/Slave has been used in technical parlance for decades without anybody ever having a problem with it.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

It's called github for a reason.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

You are getting downvoted but you're absolutely correct. There is a serious plague of identity politics bullshit permeating large open source projects. Sarah Sharp and Matthew J. Garrett (mjg in particular is a really shitty person) being total cunts within the Linux kernel dev community made it loud and clear that "show me the code" has eroded in favor of "behave as I dictate" as the primary decision-making tool. Drupal ousted Larry Garfield for having an autistic roommate-slash-sex partner that doesn't talk to other people by choice, citing their bullshit Code of Conduct which was derived from tranny feminazi shitcunt Coraline Ada Ehmke's tainted codes of conduct (Contributor Covenant and TODO Group Code of Conduct, both of which were smeared around by Coraline's greasy fingers and SJW crybully policing).

Hell, Github almost adopted one of those Codes of Conduct WITH THIS LANGUAGE IN IT:

"Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort." and will not act on "reverse" racism, sexism, etc."

That Reddit thread has links to a bunch of other SJW toxicity issues in open source, particularly related to Github's highly unethical conduct towards certain developers based on those developers' political beliefs or lack of linguistic hypersensitivity.

To bring this full circle, from that same Reddit thread and dealing directly with Rust: "When someone says "your code sucks" it's obviously racism/misogyny and/or trans/homophobia. Because there's no chance in the world that the code actually does suck. Also remember back in the days when you had IDE drives and the HDD was the master and the CDROM was the slave? Yeah, that master/slave metaphor obviously is racist too: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust-buildbot/issues/2

Now, cue the logic-free virtue signaling responses to me by PopeRatzo, serviscope_minor, AmiMoJo, GameboyRMH, Rei, turkeyfish, et al. who will be sorely butthurt by this fresh hot dose of reality.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

If a language does not have a huge platform support in the form of direct access to resources, API, graphics, developer tools, architectural beauty and pleasure, that language is a temp fad.

Everything that was started in the past 10-15 years is junk. Some of that junk can be quite spectacular, for example Swift. But it is junk nevertheless, because of its commercial purpose and hype.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Kjella]

I don't understand why there is so much animosity from slashdot community towards new languages, especially Rust. Is it to hard to learn, hence sour grapes? Or fear of job security? Come on people, be nice.

Just Rust in particular. Most of /. wants software development to be about the code and a meritocracy, not participation awards, social science experiments or bickering about whether master/slave is some kind of unhealthy dark age reference. Some of the threads that have been linked to have been like "This has to be a joke, right?" only they're not, it's people earnestly discussing it and expecting people to take it seriously. Not that bigotry or immature male humor or #metoo harassment doesn't exist, but if it starts looking like a social advocacy group first and a software development community second instead of some HR issue distracting from what you're really trying to do, well...

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

You are mistaken gentlefluid/sir/thing - the "conduct code" is used by the stupid, useless feminist weirdos they hire to fart around on GitHub, pretending to be a developer, but actually just going around finding tiny verbal minutia like "misgendered pronouns" and diverting attention to that instead of doing Real Engineering Involving Actual Technology.

Rust is -- like many modern "fields" -- just a vehicle. A crutch for every hypersensitive piece of shit that wants the prestige of "doing engineering" without any of the critical thinking it entails. Like calling yourself an "astronaut" but what you do is spend all day reading NASA documents and complaining to the director that a certain passage used the word "him" instead of "her", and then patting yourself on the back for helping "to make Astronauting Safer for everyone".

That's Rust.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Billly Gates]

Is it the community then or the generation?

I don't mean to insult most of slashdoters age but we were once the cool new kids too 20 years ago on slashdot in our early 20s when hip meant linux, Java and Perl and maybe Ruby if you were really young. C++ guys are the old managerial types uncool.

Time has moved on quicker than my comfort zone :-/

Sigh. We're old farts now. Set in our ways in terms of we have a career in X and don't want to nor have time to learn new things. Now the mellinials are here learning new things for their phones. Perl and Ruby and ESPECIALLY Java are for old people and not cool. Go, typescript/million Java script stuff, Swift, and Rust are the new things to learn.

Maybe Rust is not a SJW thing. Just that the only people adopting it are simply from a different generation. If it takes off more older types will participate in the forums.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[epyT-R]

Why not? Such communities generalize the hell out of those who do not put SocJus first.

No. You're seeing the vitriol here because it can be freely critiqued. Those onerous CoCs just tell technically minded people that those projects are about politics first, technology second..or dead last.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

Huh, thanks for explaining, I personally faced problems with such people pretty much every where, but I guess the problem is orders of magnitude severe in Rust community.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

Is it the community then or the generation?

Who cares? Political Correctness first reared it's head in the '80s and '90s. It was mocked then and needs mocking twice-fold now it has returned with a vengeance.

How exactly does the pronoun club justify type inference anyway? Are they assuming type? Have they finally got a nice big CoC that'll end the dominance of the patriarchy once and for all? SJW's are entirely ridiculous what they are not is self-aware enough to appreciate their self-ridicule.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

Because, at best, most of them are redundant, and at worst, substantially inferior, or come with ultratoxic marxist communities who, fittingly enough, brand themselves as anti-toxic.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes this I can understand, it's very unfortunate but this seems to be the nature of progress in the field of software, very fast paced and things become obselete very quickly.

Unless one is a programming language enthusiast, i can see how this fatigue will cause aversion to learn new languages.

Not sure if there is a solution here, at least I the near future. Unless the network effects will pick one or very few languages as the successful languages preventing further new languages from cropping up. ButI doubt that will happen.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

The fact that there are so many Russian trolls here probably indicates they find the language threatening.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

Personally I am (op of this thread) not a fanboy of rust or any language. I am not even a professional programmer, just a curious engineer.

But I have seen "write it in X Lang" comments every where, from fanboys of Rust, D, Go and Nim. I just ignore them.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[serviscope_minor]

And they want be to learn Rust. Or should it be Go.

Eh Go's dull. I me it's OK, it's just kind of mediocre. It's basically like polishing a 1970s language.

At least Rust does bring something new to the table. It remains to be seen whether it will catch on, but there's something interesting there at least.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[serviscope_minor]

Personally, it looked like an OK language, but one whose parallel processing model wouldn't easily work for my purposes.

Out of interest, what?

Re:Why so much animosity?

[serviscope_minor]

Maybe Rust is not a SJW thing.

It's not a fucking SJW thing it's a fucking borrowing type system thing.

You know an actually interesting technical topic on a supposedly techincal forum about a programming language type system that's only in use in one even vaguely used language.

Fortunately whily you;re clutching your pearl neckace and fretting about SJW or somesuch nonsense, people are ding cool things in Rust that aren't actually much of an option in any other current language.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

What can you really do w/ Rust yet?? It barely works. Programming environments need large libraries and frameworks to be practical for modern IT projects. A language by itself isn't too useful. Javascript is the new hammer-everything-is-a-nail language.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

No, they don't become obsolete quickly. A marketing team gets some money to hype the same shit with one minor improvement, and managers everywhere have an orgasm, because they can ditch someone they don't like and have a fancy named process improvement to report to the CEOs.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[ziggystarsky]

This sounds much like the "If you know how to program, you can pick up any language quickly." kind of thinking. I encounter it often, and I also thought this way right after finishing university. But it's simply not this way. Maybe all imperative languages are alike, yes. And if you know imperative, and OOP you can pick up many languages quickly. You will not learn anything new doing so, though. But if you change paradigm, you will find out that there is much you don't know.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

It's not a fucking SJW thing it's a fucking borrowing type system thing.

"Type Appropriation"? Just wait until the intersectionalists get onto that one!

Re: Why so much animosity?

[umghhh]

They may be useless or not but have nice avatars.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

Perl and Ruby and ESPECIALLY Java are for old people and not cool.

As a veteran Java programmer, I have a love/hate relationship with Java. I'm getting very tired of writing the same verbose boiler plate code every single time, especially after spending some time in other languages.

So I've recently looked into Kotlin, and I'm planning on using that in future projects. It has near 100% interop with Java, so you basically keep the familiar JVM and all existing libraries and frameworks, and write your code in a modern, pragmatic syntax. You can even mix it with Java source files in the same package folder if you need.

New isn't necessarily better than old. But sometimes old isn't better than something new either.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

The fact that there are so many Russian trolls here probably indicates they find the language threatening.

"Muh Russia"! Definitely the reason people refuse to bow before an SJW cabal of infantile, narcissistic cry-bullies.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

I hope they don't have any black and white issues.

How do they feel about red zones?

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Tough Love]

I don't understand why there is so much animosity from slashdot community towards new languages, especially Rust.

Fear of future mental activity by those who thought that learning was over when they left school.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

Found the SJW...

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm constantly learning and re-educating myself, on a daily basis. I love to explore new things and see what the latest trends are.

That doesn't mean I am going to choke down some bullshit social experiment brainwashing groupthink cult stupidly, which is what Rust is. I spent about two months trying it out, and was repulsed by the hideously close-minded and borderline evil community that haunts it.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Tough Love]

...bullshit social experiment brainwashing groupthink cult stupidly, which is what Rust is...

You are an idiot.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Hognoxious]

Those who do not know Pascal are doomed to reinvent it.

Actually, I used to quite like Pascal back in the day, and I've never quite grokked the reason for all the hatred towards it. Added to my copious free time list.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Sesostris III]

Now, cue the logic-free virtue signaling responses to me by PopeRatzo, serviscope_minor, AmiMoJo, GameboyRMH, Rei, turkeyfish, et al. who will be sorely butthurt by this fresh hot dose of reality.

At least they have the courage to log-in before posting.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

That's it? That's all you can respond to? I mean, I'm glad you have no valuable arguments to make against all the things I said and had to attack my anonymity. Kinda sucks for you that the messenger doesn't change the value of the message.

I'm calling those specific douches out because the messages they choose to carry into discussions are always supreme bullshit. There are rare occasions where I agree with them and what they say is a net positive but it is quite rare and if social justice can be dragged into the conversation in any way they ALWAYS end up spouting irrational SJW garbage.

Example in the comments on this Slashdot post: "If you stay on topic and don't be a wanker, you won't violate the code of conduct" while willfully ignoring that Codes of Conduct are exploited by identity politics-pushing SJWs to attempt to use the letter of the law without reference to the spirit, usually in order to gain an advantage within that environment. serviscope_minor knows good and damned well that this horseshit happens in any open source project that SJWs try to overtake.

The Code of Conduct shit is the foothold used to convert the project from a programming one to a political agenda enforcement one. The best move is to refuse to adopt a code of conduct at all since it legitimizes them and takes away the power to enforce the spirit of "don't be a dick" from the admins, but if one must be adopted, the Contribute In any Fucking Way You Want Code Of Conduct, the WTFPL of CoCs is definitely the best choice.

By the way, I'm logged in, asshole. I choose to post anonymously because there are very dangerous people in the SJW world who would be happy to harass and threaten me and attempt to destroy my completely unrelated livelihood for the cardinal sin of showing that they are a societal cancer in an irrefutable way.

Re: Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

Even then the COC

heh heh you said cock

Re:Why so much animosity?

[HiThere]

I need NXN communicating cells with hidden mutable internal state (and various other features). It's not exactly the ATOM model, but that's close. It needs to have a serial pipeline in a few places that doesn't slow down the cells feeding into the pipeline. Etc. After looking at a whole bunch of options I've nearly decided that Erlang is the best choice. I can use either the process dictionary or ets tables to hold the mutable state. It's ugly, but it seems less ugly than any other approach I've been able to come up with.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

It barely works? Have you looked at it in the last few years? Ignoring the obvious use for Firefox, it's being used for operating systems development, games, embedded systems, scientific computing, and it's a significant language for WebAssembly. The Mercurial team are going to replace a load of C and Python code with Rust, and people are evaluating Rust for being the primary choice for Python compiled extensions to replace C. Hell, even Google has said they're using Rust now, including as a replacement to Go!

The language has quite a significant infrastructure and library support now. I've used it myself for everything from writing DSL tools and heavy duty data processing, to microservices and graphics rendering.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

Like Rust, Pascal is not C and therefore gets a load of abuse from people who want to try and look like they're hardcore hackers. While I've not used Pascal, it lead to Modula-2 which is a language I loved writing code with back in the 90s.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

By the way, I'm logged in, asshole. I choose to post anonymously because there are very dangerous people in the SJW world who would be happy to harass and threaten me and attempt to destroy my completely unrelated livelihood for the cardinal sin of showing that they are a societal cancer in an irrefutable way.

Yeah, this is Slashdot, about 90% of posts who veer into politics defend racism, sexism, and other fascistic bullshit. Perhaps you'd like to name just one who was outed by "SJWs" and had his unrelated career destroyed?

Any?

No, didn't think so.

Re:Why so much animosity?

[Anonymous Coward]

You fucking idiot.

You didn't refute a goddamn thing that I said. You are completely incapable of winning in a free and fair exchange of ideas, so you go the full retard "muh fascism" route. Fuck off, you 18-year-old twatwaffle. Let's see, you said "Perhaps you'd like to name just one who was outed by "SJWs" and had his unrelated career destroyed? Any? No, didn't think so."

Plebcomics fired after SJWs contact her employer.
Newest College Outrage: Dean Fired Merely For Saying ‘Offensive’ Book Title
"sjw's called my work & I KNEW she'd be too pussy to fire me to my face! I said it earlier, I'd get an email. @ night"

There you go, you dumb fucking cunt. Now you're not only a giant steaming asshole but you also look really fucking stupid because you couldn't do a five-second internet search before opening your tard mouth. Get the fuck out, pussy child. Go back to your pussy Antifa "friends" and hide behind some black cloth. What a bratty little spoiled retarded kidult.

Re: Most important 2018 goal

[Anonymous Coward]

And the world is filled with all kind of people, there are lots of toxic project managers and we have to deal with them as long they do their part and do not push themselves too much over the rest of the community, with some time and friction most people change and learn to deal with difficulties.

Re: Most important 2018 goal

[Anonymous Coward]

Wrong! I get a rusty pipe and beat them with it till they quit or die. Stop being a fookin pushover!!!

Simple

[Anonymous Coward]

Goal for rust for 2018 is that it should die a slow painful death.

I would not touch is with a 100 foot stick.

Better be careful

[Billly Gates]

I bet you will violate the terms of code of conduct if you have an opinion that is not liked by others

Re:Better be careful

[serviscope_minor]

I bet you will violate the terms of code of conduct if you have an opinion that is not liked by others

If you stay on topic and don't be a wanker, you won't violate the code of conduct.

Re:Better be careful

[Anonymous Coward]

not that i know of currently, but for what i know about that community, i would not be surprised if it progressed to that in the future. already happened to other projects where the mantainers have some very strong opinions over what is wrongthink. even if your wrongthink is totally unrelated to the project, and outside the code (ie twitter comments). in fact, that happened before.

Does RUST have your trust?

[Futurepower(R)]

Several jokes about the name: Why foolish names like "Rust"?

First step if you want to develop a new computer language: Find a name people can respect.

"I'm not saying anything negative about the language itself. I am seriously suggesting that they should change the name."

One of the jokes, from an AC: "RUST - Rash Under Smelly Toes".

Re:NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

[Anonymous Coward]

now now now, check your privilege.

Re: Most important 2018 goal

[Anonymous Coward]

Or they are well aware of it and are in total support.

Re: Most important 2018 goal

[DontBeAMoran]

Wrong! I get a rusty pipe and beat them with it till they quit or die. Stop being a fookin pushover!!!

Ah, so that's where the name came from. Good to know!

Why even post about Rust on Slashdot anymore?

[Anonymous Coward]

We get it. Slashdot hates Rust. The name sucks/is silly/molested someone. The code of conduct sucks/is silly/molested someone. The compiler is slow/is silly/molested someone. The language isn't enough like language X, yet is too much like language Y. Etc etc ad fucking nauseum. It's the same bullshit parade over and over, and it's just a colossal waste of time at this stage. I'd ask "are we so hopeless that we have to amuse ourselves like this?" but I've been around here long enough to know we are. Shit, I just answered my own question. Carry on.

Re:Why even post about Rust on Slashdot anymore?

[Anonymous Coward]

I wasn't expect a level-headed response, but finger pointing? Really? Who *cares* about other sites or Rust's problems? We're talking about Slashdot right now. Why does Slashdot have to keep raking this muck over and over? Just let the language die on its own if we dislike it. Surely there are better things for us to do than just endlessly mock the same thing. We're coming across even worse than the attitudes we routinely mock on here that are (ostensibly) representative of Rust.

Rust spends more time on social justice then tech

[sbrown123]

My company gave it serious thought. But browsing through it is like poison to the soul as you find too much fighting over social justice issues instead of focus on the technology. So we went with a significantly less polarizing language and community.

Hoedown?

[johannesg]

Sounds like a situation from GTA 5...

Here's an idea

[Anonymous Coward]

change the name to something you can take seriously.

Rust core team member Ashley Williams' misandry

[Anonymous Coward]

Ashley Williams joins the Core Rust Team and taking lead of the Community Team

Some of her tweets:
>"never underestimate the wrath of a mildly inconvenienced white dude (and yes it is all dudes complaining)"
>omg last RT. when they have the audacity to ask you to apologize. FUCK YOU MEN FUCK YOU I'M NOT SORRY
>"Kill all men"
>"for the record: i want a community where everyone is held accountable to the same standard. that includes me."
https://archive.fo/VEtHu

How can some crazy dyke nutjob like that be in the leadership position? I'll tell you how... Rust is run by communist ANTIFA members. Just look at Steve Klabnik who's also on the Rust team and hates CIS white men and advocates violence against white people.

Rust is run by crazy SJWs!

Re:Rust core team member Ashley Williams' misandry

[Anonymous Coward]

It is very shitty that these people are allowed to run rampant in open source projects but it is also quite delicious seeing the Codes of Conduct used against them. Unfortunately, as we have also witnessed, there is often selective enforcement of CoCs favoring SJWs, making the CoC effectively a tool for alienating all non-SJWs in the project. Look at this ridiculous comment on the report for example! He seriously doesn't think this public statement should constitute a code of conduct violation and inclusivity barrier: "never underestimate the wrath of a mildly inconvenienced white dude (and yes it is all dudes complaining)"

Toxic as fuck.

Re:Rust spends more time on social justice then te

[swillden]

My company gave it serious thought. But browsing through it is like poison to the soul as you find too much fighting over social justice issues instead of focus on the technology. So we went with a significantly less polarizing language and community.

Really? I've spent a fair amount of time in the community forums and found almost none of this. I see a lot of focused, technical discussion, with a friendly and helpful tone. I see whining over social justice issues every time Rust comes up on slashdot, but that hardly seems relevant to a technical decision about language choice.

I know it's you, serviscope

[Hognoxious]

If you've hit your posting limit why don't you log in as AmiMoJo?