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SpaceX Completes First Launch of 2018: Secretive 'Zuma' Spacecraft (cnn.com)

SpaceX's first launch of 2018 was "a secretive spacecraft commissioned by the U.S. government for an undisclosed mission," reports TechCrunch. An anonymous reader quotes CNN: After more than a month of delays, a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket vaulted toward the skies at 8 p.m. ET Sunday with the secretive payload. It launched from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida... The company [then] executed its signature move: guiding the first-stage rocket booster back to Earth for a safe landing. Just over two minutes after liftoff Sunday, the first-stage booster separated from the second stage and fired up its engines. The blaze allowed the rocket to safely cut back through the Earth's atmosphere and land on a pad at the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station... The company completed a record-setting 18 launches last year, and SpaceX plans to do even more this year, according to spokesman James Gleeson.

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  1. Next up - Falcon Heavy!! by haruchai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At this point, today's launch was by-the-numbers and something we've become used to even if SpaceX is the only company demonstrably capable of landing a 1st stage from the edge of space, even if it's only been 2 years since their 1st successful landing.
    The long awaited Falcon Heavy is their next big challenge and another major milestone if they succeed.

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    1. Re:Next up - Falcon Heavy!! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Falcon 9 Heavy would be the largest operating launch system by weight carried to orbit. The closest competitor might be Blue Origin's New Glenn, which they haven't really started to build yet and is 4 years away if they work real hard, by which time SpaceX might have a similar large rocket.

      National rocket programs and ULA are still in the denial stage. ULA has a theoretical, not built, recovery program called "SMART recovery" which is more efficient in flight but less economically efficient because it throws away most of the rocket, which probably makes it a non-starter given how SpaceX is doing.

      SpaceX recovery is not yet proven to be economically feasable - it works and gives them a reserve of first-stages so that they can do launches faster than companies that have to build the first stage, but it doesn't yet save money - but it looks like SpaceX will get there.

    2. Re:Next up - Falcon Heavy!! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2

      I am heading to Orlando for Hamcation and hope SpaceX holds things up just long enough for me to be there. That is going to be amazing, whatever happens. I think they'll pull it off, but it's a really risky launch.

    3. Re:Next up - Falcon Heavy!! by Immerman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think in many ways the Falcon Heavy is a combination stopgap solution and proof of concept.

      In the short term, if they get it working reliably then they immediately almost triple their maximum payload to orbit, as well as having huge unused capacity margins for to allow reusable landings on many launches that would otherwise have to resort to discarding the boosters. Not a bad deal.

      In the long term, it gives them a chance to address the challenges of a multi-booster launch on a relatively low-power rocket, before applying those lessons to the BFR once it enters service. After all, a single BFR is really a lot less than you'd want to attempt a Mars outpost - a triple-booster version would make many things considerably easier.

      And hey, why stop at three boosters? The original plans, way back before they had even made it to orbit, was to eventually go with a full 9-booster array. I doubt they'll get there right away, but it would make boosting seriously large payloads into orbit a lot easier. And whether it's Bigelow inflatable habitats, fully assembled nuclear reactors, or as-yet undesigned asteroid-mining facilities, the larger the single-launch payload, the more efficient your infrastructure can be made.

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    4. Re:Next up - Falcon Heavy!! by PackMan97 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      NASA's "Space Launch System" (SLS) was commissioned in 2011 and scheduled for it's first flight in 2018. It's projected payload to low earth orbit is supposed to be 150,000-290,000 lb would be greater than the 140,700 payload of the Falcon Heavy to LEO. The maiden flight for the SLS is scheduled for no earlier than Dec 19, 2019, which translates to 2020 if they are lucky. The Falcon Heavy is set to fly THIS MONTH. The current competition for a Falcon Heavy is a Delta IV Heavy which is flight proven (9 launches) and can take 63,470 lb to low earth orbit.

    5. Re: Next up - Falcon Heavy!! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Informative

      Besides R&D, fixed infrastructure costs are huge. And there are somewhere north of 5000 employees! Block 5 (now also called Falcon 9 2.0, the latest and supposedly final version of Falcon 9) is supposed to refly 10 times. With greater than 20 launches per year in Florida, recovery may reach an economic payoff.

    6. Re:Next up - Falcon Heavy!! by phayes · · Score: 4, Informative

      Shotwell is on the record stating that Space-X saw substantial savings on the first reuse which they very exhaustively vetted. Given that they have certainly streamlined the process, they’re certainly seeing even better savings.

      Even though there are no indépendant figures on how much they are seeing it’s certainly already safe to say that they are already saving money.

      http://spacenews.com/spacex-ga...

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    7. Re:Next up - Falcon Heavy!! by Kjella · · Score: 2

      How are they faring compared to international competition, like the Japanese and Chinese? Isn't there a risk that the Falcon Heavy will be somewhat outdated before it gets past its first steps?

      Well there's two kinds of competition, maximum payload and $/kg to orbit. In the former, there is no competition or rather the competition would be in-orbit assembly like how we built the ISS. The market is rather unclear because since there's no operating super heavy launch vehicle you don't design payloads that require it. The other is $/kg, well if you look at their prices you see Falcon 9 starting at $62M and Falcon Heavy starting at $90M, note that they list max performance and min price so you can't actually divide those to get $/kg to orbit. What you can tell though is that they plan to deliver ~3x the performance for less then 3x the price making the Falcon Heavy cheaper per kg.

      That is quite opposite from the SLS and quite possibly other plans on the board where the rocket is so special and launches so rarely that it becomes a billion dollar launch. Like for example the Iridium launches, SpaceX has been launching those 10 at a time on a Falcon 9. Would they do 30 on a Falcon Heavy instead? That's really the key issue for SpaceX, they need business. You can produce a technical marvel like the Saturn V - which would still be unrivaled - but once the moon missions were over nobody could afford it. And then there's the potential for re-usability, with three F9-class first stages to recover they'll be a lot of the cost. If they can be launched not only two times but fives or ten times... the competition shivers.

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    8. Re:Next up - Falcon Heavy!! by Rei · · Score: 2

      It depends entirely on the scale of the market at the time when BFR becomes available. If the market is huge, Saturn V-sized vehicles probably make significantly more sense (rockets in general benefit from scaleup, if the launch cadence can be kept up). If it's not, Falcon-sized vehicles make more sense. Note also that BFR is not just about size, but also full flow staged combustion methalox engines and composite (rather than alumium) construction, in addition to SpaceX's characteristic VTOL launch profile.

      It's also worth noting that SpaceX is doing their damndest to try to ensure that the market is huge (a massive internet-access constellation, suborbital transcontinental flights, etc). That doesn't mean that they'll succeed, but it does argue for BFR from their perspective.

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    9. Re:Next up - Falcon Heavy!! by frank249 · · Score: 3, Informative

      By landing the booster SpaceX recovers 9 of the 10 Merlin engines. When they launch the Falcon Heavy, they will be recovering 27 of 28 engines per flight. This is leading up to the BFR which will recover all 38 of the larger Raptor engines. In fact it will be 100% reusable. This is where the big payoff will be evident.

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    10. Re:Next up - Falcon Heavy!! by Topwiz · · Score: 2

      Not being the person you voted for or being a complete asshole or whatever you don't like about Trump are not grounds for impeachment or prison. Both require an actual law to be broken.

  2. Re:Shame it's not NASA by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The US gave up the idea of space exploration for the sake of science, and sold it to the highest bidder.

    That's not actually how things are going at all. The U.S. has always had contractors build its rockets, now some contractors have chosen to build their own and sell rides to NASA and others. This is an inevitable consequence of the development of rocketry.

    If you want to cry about something, go back to the 50 year vacation the U.S. took from space development at the end of the Apollo program.

  3. Re:Shame it's not NASA by Immerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    NASA's still doing plenty of work on space exploration - they're just not investing as heavily into the rockets to get into orbit. And that's fine, it is after all now mature enough technology and market that private companies are willing to do the R&D themselves. A big win for NASA, who's now getting their launches cheaper than ever before, and without the headache of managing the details.

    Meanwhile, NASA is still investing in next-generation propulsion systems - the stuff that will really let us expand into the solar system and study the universe. Solar sails, high-power ion drives, space telescopes. Stuff where there's no short-term profit to be made. Chemical rockets are great for getting from a planet's surface into orbit - a brief trip where raw power is needed in spades to offset the massive amounts of power being wasted just keeping it from falling out of the sky. Once in orbit though, they're a third-rate technology whose biggest saving grace is that they're mature and readily available.

    If we want to conquer the solar system, we need engines designed for space. Not to mention low-mass radiation shielding, sustainable ecosystems, etc. Let NASA focus on developing that, and leave surface-to-orbit cargo runs to the companies who can focus on shaving down the costs without lots of bureaucratic overhead bogging them down.

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  4. Facts please? by mykepredko · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sorry, I have to challenge you on a number of things about your post and the assertions within it - maybe you can provide some links to the analysis that you read to help provide some facts.

    I don't think it's fair comparing Skylab to the ISS as you're comparing a short term outpost to a long term station. Skylab was occupied for a total 171 days with 3 astronauts - 513 days in operation at a cost (in today's dollars) of approximately $10B ($2.2B in 1975). That works out to $19.5M/astronaut-day in today's dollars. The ISS has a cost (so far) of $150B but has been in operation for over 17 years - let's say during that time there were only three astronauts on board, it works out to $8M/astronaut-day or about 40% of Skylab's per operating day cost. The longer the ISS stays up in it's present configuration (and you expand the calculation to include the number of days its had more than three astronauts), that number will be significantly less and continue to fall.

    Sorry, NASA budgets have never approached DOD budgets - Take a look at the US budget for 1967 in which the major investments in Apollo was taking place:
      (http://federal-budget.insidegov.com/l/69/1967): "General Space, Science and Technology" (which I'm guessing is more than just NASA) is 7% of the budget while the DOD was 49%.

    It's hard finding costs for Saturn boosters sans payloads, but I think you would find that their costs are very competitive compared to existing expendable launchers (as well as the space shuttle) and in the ballpark of the Falcon 9. What makes difficult to get apples-to-apples costs is that the Saturn V was not designed to deliver payloads into LEO - the third stage was used to achieve orbit as well as restarted to send the CM/SM/LM to the moon. Probably the best way to calculate costs per pound are to use the Saturn V first and second stage to put up Skylab as well as the Saturn IVB used to send the CM/SM to to Skylab.

    The Skylab Saturn V first and second stage costs were $50M (in 1975 dollars) with a Skylab payload of 170,000 lb. which works out to $294/lb to LEO. The Saturn IVB which sent the CM/SM and consumables to Skylab cost $25M (in 1975 dollars) with a payload of 46,000 lb. which works out to $543/lb to LEO. I have a Time book on Apollo, from when I was a kid, in which the cost per pound for the Saturn V launch was stated to be $500/lb. - so these numbers seem reasonable. In today's dollars (using http://www.usinflationcalculat...), that's $1,347/lb for the Skylab Saturn V and $2,487/lb for the Saturn IVB. As a point of comparison, the Falcon 9 costs $1,240/lb. The Ariane 5, in its smallest/cheapest configuration is $4,700/lb.

    The STS was a bad left turn for launchers and set the expectation that launch costs would be in the range of $10,000/lb or more. I think that was the real crime - the shuttle's costs got out of control very quickly and nothing was done to reign them in. If the decision was made to drop the STS and keep with Apollo technology (just like the Russians that continued working with their 1960s/1970s technology), which was proven, reliable and cheap compared to the resulting STS and expendable boosters costs, along with the same NASA budgets for space exploration, then I suspect a station of the ISS' capabilities could have been put up by the late 1970s as well as maybe an outpost on the moon by 2001 - and we would have avoided the long drought in government sponsored manned space exploration.

  5. Payload failed?? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    Rumors going around that the payload failed after releasing from the second stage. Any truth to those rumors?