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Tesla's New York Gigafactory Kicks Off Solar Roof Production (bloomberg.com)

In an email Tuesday, Tesla said that its manufacturing of the long-awaited electricity-producing shingles began last month at a factory in Buffalo built with backing from New York State. It comes more than a year after Tesla unveiled the shingles to a mix of fanfare and skepticism. Bloomberg reports: The appeal: a sleek, clean solar product, especially for homeowners seeking to replace aging roofs. The tiles -- from most angles -- look like ordinary shingles. They allow light to pass from above and onto a standard flat solar cell. Tesla, the biggest U.S. installer of rooftop-solar systems, piloted the product on the homes of several employees. The company expects to begin installing roofs for customers within the next few months.

Tesla started production of solar cells and panels about four months ago at its Gigafactory 2 in Buffalo. New York committed $750 million to help build the 1.2 million-square-foot factory, which currently employs about 500 people. The plant will eventually create nearly 3,000 jobs in Western New York and nearly 5,000 statewide, Governor Andrew Cuomo said in 2015.

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  1. About time. by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Musk has so many things going on. Amazing that he can track these.
    Still, if he gets these off the ground and they have figured out the snow loads on them, we will be ordering these the next time that our roof is destroyed by hail (it will be the 3rd time).
    These roofs are supposed to be more hail proof than concrete or slate tile, which hold up against all the hail on the front range (golf ball to baseball size).

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    1. Re:About time. by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      have to admit that when I first saw, my thought was that it could not hold up. Yet, they showed it being hit with major hail testing and holding up.
      I was shocked. That was the only reason I have gotten interested in that. Here in Colorado, in 10 years, we have replaced 2x, and our insurance is starting to go up.
      So next time (and we will likely have another within 3 years), we will cut a deal with insurance to switch to this and have the money they owe applied towards it. Then we can get our insurance lowered back to normal.

      And have to say, I do love that slate looking roof.

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    2. Re:About time. by rmdingler · · Score: 2

      Yeah, the glass solar roof will do great against golf and baseball size hail.

      No roofing materials do. In the event electricity-generating shingles reach a reasonable price point, insurance premiums will adjust to accommodate them.

      Insurance companies already reluctantly absorb the replacement cost of cedar shingles, metal roofing, and architectural shingles by premium adjustment... they are engineered not to lose money.

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    3. Re:About time. by bigwheel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Tesla's hail demo is not that impressive for a modern solar panel, IMO. Check this video of the SolarWorld panels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Now, That is impressive!

    4. Re: About time. by guruevi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your insurance won't pay for it. The roof is at least 3 times as expensive, twice as heavy as a regular roof, requires major engineering both due to weight and the electric and still won't hold up if the structure underneath it doesn't hold on.

      Architectural shingles are likewise supposedly hail and wind proof, if your roof keeps getting damaged every few years, it may be time to get some better roofing materials or contractors with a good warranty, I just did my roof and it came with a 25y warranty against any condition. Make sure they don't keep layering shingles on top of a damaged structure and such.

      If you want something like it, put a regular solar panel on your roof, all of the benefits, fewer of the drawbacks.

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    5. Re:About time. by hipp5 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, the glass solar roof will do great against golf and baseball size hail.

      You know "glass" is a very wide category that refers to any non-crystaline, amorphous solid, and that not all glass is same as the stuff your windows are made of, right?

    6. Re:About time. by GuB-42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have no problem imagining glass tiles resisting hail. Some windshields can resist these, and they are much larger and thinner than tiles. They also hold together after being broken.

      It is not really an engineering problem. It's more about economics and aesthetics, as well as how much of a penalty there is compared to regular panels of the same size.

    7. Re:About time. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Funny

      I read his autobiography

      I started to read an article about Musk by his ex-wife, Justine. In the first paragraph she said that if you ever want to be like Elon, you need to understand that "he would never waste time reading an article like this."

      So I stopped reading, and watched random video clips on Facebook instead.

    8. Re: About time. by steveha · · Score: 4, Interesting

      twice as heavy as a regular roof

      This article claims that the Tesla tiles are one-third the weight of typical roofing tiles.

      https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/heres-how-much-a-tesla-solar-roof-will-cost-you

      According to Tesla, the roof is "three times as strong as standard roofing tiles" and one-third the weight of a normal tile.
      [...]
      Musk said the strong tempered glass makes it easier to ship than conventional tiles. And because the product is one-third the weight, the cost of shipment is also much lower. "We save on logistics and breakage," he said.

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    9. Re:About time. by mikael · · Score: 2

      In Norway, they have special systems that use a small 12V electric current running through underground wires in order to heat pavements slightly. That's enough to make the snow melt. With solar panels, a similar system could be used to make sure the snow doesn't block out the light.

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    10. Re: About time. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Architectural shingles are likewise supposedly hail and wind proof

      "Hail proof" often does not mean "Colorado hail proof". Along the front range of the Rocky Mountains, you get some weird weather patterns. Hailstones the size of grapefruits can literally kill people. Some big hailstorms have caused more than $1 Billion in damages.

      List of costly and deadly hailstorms

    11. Re: About time. by jabuzz · · Score: 2

      In the USA yes. Over in Europe we might use them on a garden shed or summerhouse and then moan that they are junk and constantly need replacing.

      Then again house construction standards in the USA are basically entirely alien to Europeans who basically look upon US buildings as little more than glorified sheds.

  2. smart money by Jodka · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can choose between two investments:

    Option 1: You pay $100.00 and you receive one share of the company. If the value of the company increases or decreases, the value of your own share increases or decreases proportionally. If the company fails, your stock will be worth nothing and you will have lost $100.00. If the company falls in value, your share could be worth $25.00 and you would have lost $75.00. If the company grows, you can re-sell your stock at higher price than you paid and keep the difference, less capital gains taxes. You could earn $0.01, $1.00, $10,000.00, or more. Additionally, should you chose, you can can purchase whatever products the company manufactures.

    Option 2: You pay $100.00 and you receive nothing. If the value of the company increases or decreases, then you will still have nothing. If the company fails, you will have nothing. If the company falls in value, you will have nothing. If the company grows, you will have nothing. Additionally, should you chose, you can can purchase whatever products the company manufactures.

    Only an idiot would voluntarily choose Option 2, which is is why that choice is taken only when a politician holds a gun to people's heads and demands it.

    Economists call that socializing the risk and privatizing the profits, but in common parlance it's called a ripoff. It's important to keep in mind here that the issue is not whether or not a solar panel factory should be built and whether the government should compel funding, instead it is who keeps the profits taxpayers are compelled to invest, those taxpayers footing the bill or Elon Musk and Tesla stockholders. The government could, instead, either not fund Tesla or coercively fund Tesla and vest the tax payers. So don't dare say "But we need solar power to save the planet from global warming." That is a separate issue from who keeps the profits and a smokescreen for stealing from the public.

    There is not a shred of evidence that reducing the burden of government through targeted gifts to favored mega-corporations is any better than uniformly lowering tax rates for all payers. The former is inherently unjust; All men are created equal, except for those who own mega-corporations? Don't dare say "But business is good for the economy." That is a separate issue from who keeps the profits and a smokescreen for stealing from the public.

    The Republican Foxxconn deal in Wisconsin is a taxpayer swindle just like this Democrat Tesla deal in New York.

    Finally, I would not beat on Elon Musk and Tesla for this. Companies rationally seek capital at the lowest rate, it's not their fault if the lowest rate is obtained from some crooked politician giving away my tax dollars. The remedy is for the public, both Democrats and Republicans, to stop voting for crooks.

       

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    1. Re:smart money by youngone · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Unfortunately it's not just Republicans and Democrats doing this.

      Hollywood found this trick 25 years ago, and extorted the Gold Coast in Australia, Toronto in Canada, and New Zealand (that I know of) with the "All those nice jobs will have to go overseas unless we get some subsidies" trick.

      The Lord of the Rings movies cost my neighbours and I $50 million for instance.

      They're all arseholes.

    2. Re:smart money by Arkh89 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sure but let's look at some values here : 750M for 8000 jobs (3K+5K) over say 10 years (at 0%) that's a requirement of 9.3K/person/year in state taxes to recover. Just from income, that would require each person to be paid over 150K/year (with about 100K income after taxes).
      If we include sales taxes at about 9% and we assume that each person spends half of his/her after-tax income, we get to down to a requirement of 101K/year salary per person.
      There are certainly other indirect sources (you mentioned some) to consider to get to the complete picture here, but still... it seems far-fetched...

    3. Re:smart money by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      That is the dumbest argument I have ever heard: paying people money so you can get some of it back in taxes. Why not just give people money directly? It would "save" money.

  3. Hope by pjv936 · · Score: 2

    the price of the tiles comes down quickly. I would love to do my entire roof so I can replace my gas furnace and water heater with heat pump units. My winter heating bill is my highest bill.