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Apple's Indirect Presence Fades from CES (techpinions.com)
Analyst Ben Bajarin writes: We would go to CES and remark at how Apple's dominance loomed over the show. Vendors of all shapes and sizes were rushing to be a part of the Apple ecosystem. Apple's ecosystem was front and center with everything from iOS apps, to accessories galore for iPhone and iPad, and even companies looking to copy Apple in many ways. The last year or so, things have dramatically changed, and that change is further evident at this year's CES. Gone are the days of Apple's presence, or observably "winning" of CES, even though they are not present. It was impossible to walk the show floor and not see a vast array of interesting innovations which touched the Apple ecosystem in some way. Now it is almost impossible to walk the floor and see any products that touch the Apple ecosystem in any way except for an app on the iOS App Store. The Apple ecosystem is no longer the star of CES but instead things like Amazon's Alexa voice platform, and now Google's assistant voice platform is the clear ecosystem winners of CES.
Apple's star is fading as they have not had a paradigm-changing product release in a long, long while. One has to wonder how long the $1000 iPhones will carry the stock price?
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Ok i get that a lot if people are buying alexa, but how many use it beyond the first week or two?
CES presence != Market share. Follow the money
for video games outside of the tent pole stuff like GTA/COD/Madden. It's been shown to be ineffective. It's one of the side effects of businesses having much, much better data analytics then they used to. They know what works and what doesn't when it comes to advertising dollars. Sega, for example, massively cut back their ad buys years ago when they found it had little impact on sales.The tent pole franchises only still need it because normal people won't play videogames if you don't remind them to every year. They just forget about it. If you work in the advert business it's got to be all kinds of scary.
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e retards.
Steve Jobs does not like this situation at all.
It's fun to fuck around with Alexa and see how it responds, but otherwise it's a low-bandwidth (in terms of human auditory input and voice output), error-prone interface. About the only advantage it has is that I don't need to have a device in my hand, so it probably has a place in my home, but I really don't get all the hype beyond it.
fucking stoopid!
why is this on here?
ZERO RELEVANCE with regard to the cycle of life and business.
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The Apple ecosystem is no longer the star of CES but instead things like Amazon's Alexa voice platform, and now Google's assistant voice platform is the clear ecosystem winners of CES.
This tells you something about how long Alexa/Google Home will be "stars" for, doesn't it?
I don't think this comes as a shock to most of us, and I don't think it's entirely due to the innovation of other companies. I do not count myself as an Apple fan (a detractor, actually) but I've been able to respect their dedication to "the Apple vision" or whatever you'd like to call it back in the era of Mr. Jobs. They've done a lot of legitimately "brave" things in the past, and have had some truly incredible (if derivative) designs that broke the market molds everywhere.
Now though? Their actual bravery is gone, replaced with a feigned insight into the future of tech. They're a rudderless ship. Still a MASSIVE, even potentially unstoppable ship, but that ship lacks a specific course. I don't doubt that they'll figure something out from atop their mountain of cash, but I'm entirely unsurprised that they're no longer the tech-world's darling.
I've been to CES a bunch of times (though not this year), so I can totally understand what the article is talking about...
I don't really think it matters, but I think it's a sign of the rapid expansion of all areas of technology. CES has only so much room (even though it has a LOT of room) and especially this year, between voice stuff and cars there's not room for much else. A hot new thing will always crowd out existing stuff to a degree, and Amazon / Google are heating up voice control like there's no tomorrow.
I'm personally pretty dubious about the huge amount of voice integration in so many products, and in general about smart appliances. It all has such marginal benefit for so much cost and complexity... and that's coming from someone with a smart watch.
Cars though, I think that area is very exciting and a lot of amazing developments are close at hand. There the hype is warranted. Related to that, every Slashdot reader should probably check out the NVidea presentation from CES.
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Jesus christ the entire summary reads like it was translated to Chinese and then German and then back to English. For the love of god please just read it out loud before posting live!
I'm hardly an Apple fan (I don't have any of their products), but this makes sense. First of all trade shows in general were much more important in the pre-Internet age to meet with industry partners and consumers to demonstrate new products. It has lost that meaning really. If Apple wants to release something instead in June, their industry partners are not found by trade shows, and consumers will find the news everywhere on the Internet. Over 99.9% of those consumers don't live near CES, don't care about CES, probably don't even know what it is because your sister or your grand dad does is not a nerd. CES is no longer relevant in that way.
Wireless technologies have pretty much removed the need for a lot of those products. I mean how many things that relied on a dock are now done with Bluetooth or over WiFi? I'd wager damn near all of them. Apple's influence is still there, it's just not in products made exclusively or mostly exclusively for the Apple ecosystem anymore. For example, most smart home products coming out these days are homekit compatible, along with broader compatibility with other major vendors. There isn't a need to be Apple specific anymore. And that's not necessarily a bad thing for Apple as it gives their users a broader base of gizmos to waste money on.
But if you want to see their influence in action still, just look at wireless charging. Powermat as a standard is done (not that it was exactly winning before, but the final nail has been driven), to the point of having to support Qi in their products deployed to places like Starbucks. And there has been an explosion of Qi compatible accessories since the 8 and X were announced with wireless charging support.
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
Apple's star is fading as they have not had a paradigm-changing product release in a long, long while.
It's hard to see a paradigm change when it first gets underway...
I would argue the Apple Watch is one, though it will take people a while to understand that.
However what is clearly one is FaceID. Because it acts without action, and is actually secure unlike image based facial recognition tech (and works in the dark), it creates a system that can know 100% of the time it's you using the device which makes many authorization actions way more seamless than with any tech you have to initiate authentication (like TouchID).
It's still very early days as it's just delivered but FaceID will be a real change for security in all sorts of areas, not just phones.
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Just as Apple's indirect presence at CES was never relevant, so is anyone else's. For example, I still have yet to encounter someone who uses voice control as the dominant control for *any* activity. I know many people who own Echos, Echo Dots, Ecobee with Alexa, Sonos One, etc yet none of them have admitted using Alexa other than for amusement purposes, and then only if they're situationally forced to (e.g. calling someone in a car).
Similarly, the vast majority of Apple users I know don't use any accessories on a mandatory basis except for cases and apps. Neither of those are very interesting anymore, although they remain dominant members of the Apple ecosystem.
That ghostly sound you might hear is just the volume of the crowd trying to hawk their wares. Pay them as much or as little mind as you like — just like you might have in the past.
because there's been a big push into digital/online adverts and they have to be obnoxious to have any impact. It looks like the push is coming from old media dying off. Radio is going away and TV's taking a hit from Netflix/Hulu/etc. e.g. services that are subscription based instead of ad supported. It'll be tough for them to go the cable route and introduce ads on top of the subscription fees since that risks driving folks back to cable. The high cost of internet service combined with the death of Net Neutrality and bandwidth cap regulation means cutting the cord isn't much cheaper anymore. A coworker just did it and he's saving about $25/mo (and only that much because he doesn't think he'll go over the newly instituted caps and trigger those fees).
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I wouldn't mind seeing Apple shrivel up and die, and its predatory attitude disappear.
OTOH, being substituted by the likes of Amazon and Google... shudder.
That's what I'll call it next time I'm not on a job I'm supposed to be.
It's a showcase, but many products never see the light of day.
But this is just another editor msmash Apple bashing day of course. More slashdot going down in flames.
If voice assistants are the "clear winners" of CES I'd say that's s a pretty dull CES.
Like, to the level of being pointless.
from the ifanatics. Get over yourselves; apple is not relevant any more. The tech world will be far better off when the whole companys presence fades away.
CES isn't about how successful a company is today, it's about the future. Yes, Apple is still financially successful, but they are 'eating their seed corn' in that they are living on past technological leaps and have become rudderless as far as future tech is concerned (or they are way out ahead and Apple's legendary secrecy is keeping it all under wraps). My own feeling is that leadership is focused on fashion, or internal fighting over the company's direction/future, and there is no real work/plan for future products beyond getting rid of the tab at the top of the iPhone X display.
FaceID is a product feature, not a feature product.
FaceID is a product feature that turns products into very different products. Someday you will understand.
No mention of the Watch I see.
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One of the reasons I stopped going to CES is that a pretty large company I did some occasional work for used to have a large booth there. But every year it was more and more expensive, and every year the placement they got (for a booth that was thousands of square feet mind you) got shunted off to worse locations, and other booths got so big you couldn't see them unless you walked right past... so rather than spending millions on CES each year, they stopped going and just rented out some space to meet with clients who attended. I think it was the right call as there was no way they were getting as much in sales out as they were spending.
It's sad to hear about the lack of Kickstarter type companies, I enjoyed visiting a section of them the last time I was there for a few things I had backed.
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Who really cares about CES other than investors and people hawking their latest ideas and prototypes?
Apple never cared about CES. Why should they start now? That CES was obsessed about Apple a few years ago doesn't portend doom for Apple now that that obsession has faded (reverted to mean).
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that just proves my point, Again.
Nope! Still doesn't do anything for your argument, which lacks understanding of how things are going to change. You are arguing it's just a feature of products, ignoring that sometimes a feature makes a product a different product that what it seems to be.
Would you argue smartphones were jot a paradigm shift over flip phones? Because you are.
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One thing that's going to be interesting is that using influencers like AGDQ won't really work to make you pick Tide over Arm & Hammer for your laundry soap or even Coke over RC (which, as anyone from the south knows, is a superior beverage :) ). You need a way to associate the brand with positive thoughts/feelings. That's how you get a brand recognition response. You can do that a bit with product placement but I don't think anything beats a 30 second spot on a popular TV show or sporting event.
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I heard different. I've got a contact on one of the large chip markers stands who told me this week that "Apple’s facial recognition in iPhoneX has left other phone companies scrambling for alternatives."
I can't imagine how people want a device in their homes that listens to everything they say and sends it to a server, somewhere. It's probably archived, too.
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Not surprising; can't speak more for NDA, but Apple has always been a control-freak and a fucking pain to develop compatible device ("Made for iPhone" and now "HomeKit"); their spec is strict and heavy, hardware require their proprietary chip in it, their review and certification processes are long, difficult, bureaucratic and opaque, completely incompatible with startups timescales.
Homekit is even worse, completely useless (closed system, no generic cloud access, every type of service must be pre-implemented by iOS before, if your original device is not covered then wait 6 month for next update), YEAR-LONG development and certification process, protocol is too complicated to be implemented on low-cost hardware, etc...
In contrast, Alexa or Google just require a few webservices on a backend, easy to develop, easy to upgrade for existing products, no first-born sacrifice required to be accepted and certified. The logical thing now is to develop for them first, and then think about Apple if the company have excess time and resources.
A couple weeks ago, Slashdot ran the story with the best selling tech items of 2017. Now, Alexa is captivating CES? Come on. Who paid for this plug + bonus Apple bashing?
Here's the complete list of the five best-selling tech products of 2017:
Apple iPhones: 223 million
Samsung Galaxy S8 and Note 8 smartphones: 33 million
Amazon Echo Dot connected speakers: 24 million
Apple Watch: 20 million
Nintendo Switch video game console: 15 million
There must have been dongles. Hundreds and hundreds of dongles.
...because Apple is a one-hit wonder without Steve Jobs. Hello iPhone, buh-bye iPhone. Apple didn't beat Microsoft, Microsoft surrendered before the fight began. But lo and behold the Courier is coming back as we all knew it must...
They hate that we receive advanced tactical training and then go on to successfully elect uber shitlords like Trump. Military is full of gamers who hated Hillary.
While I'm in no means an Apple fan-boi, I have switched first from Android then to Windows Mobile and now to Iphone. I did buy the X, which replaced a perfectly good 950xl and now have a X for personal use and a 7+ for work. Teh Apple peeps are not going to switch anytime soon to Android and probably don't need to be wowed at CES anymore. Most of my sons' friends are Iphone users as are many of my co-workers. My older son is the only one his age I know who has an Android device.
Great discussion though - wonder if the Cult of Mac is finally fading. My younger son's school adopted an all Chromebook policy. Every student has one for testing and homework. Back when I was in high school the Apple IIe and Mac SE were all the rage. Not anymore.
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FTFY
Hi, I'm Leroy, average mugger guy. Gimme your phone or I'll break your arms and knees. Look into the display or I'll break your arms and knees.
Okay, good, thank you, it's unlocked, carry on with your day. I need to scramble, I have shopping to do! And who's this awesome naked chick in your text messages? Score! [adds lotion to shopping list]
Can I design hardware for their top of the line pro towers? No. Why? They don't exist.
Can I design anything that plugs into their hardware? Not unless it uses USB C. Their new machines even require RAM to be installed by special magical technicians who wear the special Apple T-Shirts that make installing memory possible.
Apple has spent the last few years telling everyone around them to go jump in a lake because they need no-one other than consumers who buy machines that are disposable. That's their choice but what business do you expect anyone to even try to do with them unless it plugs in a USB C port and is constrained by the power supplies of laptops?
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Get used to USB C.
The Pro Towers (or lack of) are a bit of a problem. But the fact that HPE's workstations are great is not going to save the company. Nor is the lack of a Pro Tower going to kill Apple.
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