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City of Barcelona Dumps Windows For Linux and Open Source Software (europa.eu)

An anonymous reader quotes Open Source Observatory: The City of Barcelona is migrating its computer systems away from the Windows platform, reports the Spanish newspaper El País. The City's strategy is first to replace all user applications with open-source alternatives, until the underlying Windows operating system is the only proprietary software remaining. In a final step, the operating system will be replaced with Linux... According to Francesca Bria, the Commissioner of Technology and Digital Innovation at the City Council, the transition will be completed before the current administration's mandate ends in spring 2019. For starters, the Outlook mail client and Exchange Server will be replaced with Open-Xchange. In a similar fashion, Internet Explorer and Office will be replaced with Firefox and LibreOffice, respectively. The Linux distribution eventually used will probably be Ubuntu, since the City of Barcelona is already running 1,000 Ubuntu-based desktops as part of a pilot...

Barcelona is the first municipality to have joined the European campaign 'Public Money, Public Code'. This campaign is an initiative of the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) and revolves around an open letter advocating that publicly funded software should be free. Currently, this call to public agencies is supported by more than 100 organisations and almost 15,000 individuals. With the new open-source strategy, Barcelona's City Council aims to avoid spending large amounts of money on licence-based software and to reduce its dependence on proprietary suppliers through contracts that in some cases have been closed for decades.

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  1. In breaking news.... by chrism238 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In breaking news, Microsoft has just announced that it will supply the City of Barcelona with free licences for all of its software needs.

    1. Re:In breaking news.... by deek · · Score: 5, Funny

      If that truly does happen, can you imagine what the headlines the next day would be?
      Yep, every other city in Europe suddenly announcing a move to Linux.

    2. Re:In breaking news.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most IT shops do not know the answer to three questions
      1) How much (all up, everything) do we pay microsoft in licence fees per year
      2) How much do we pay other vendors for licence fees
      3) Over 3 years how much have we paid for software- all up, including lawyers, audits, and licence management packages, and administrators who add nothing to the bottom line ensuring 'compliance'

      Looks like one city has asked these questions, and cost per seat is visible. The main haters of open source are click and pointers who can't learn - and they need to go.

    3. Re:In breaking news.... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So, Windows-based networks can cohabit with Mac and Linux devices just fine, but Linux-based networks can't do this? That seems a little hard to believe.

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    4. Re:In breaking news.... by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My understanding is that Munich had to keep a fraction of machines under windows, because some of their proprietary software was not easily migrated to open source. But they still wanted to (mostly) avoid the expense of migrating to a new version of Windows, which would have required hardware updates as well as new licenses. So they went ahead and got into some technical difficulties, as well as push back from users.

      Overall, I think Barcelona has the better strategy here, even if it will take them longer. Both in terms of a smooth transition on the technical side and in terms of less excuses for unwilling users.

      Because if you replace the software in smaller increments, the claim the whole system sucks does not work anymore. Instead, you can require people to be more specific with their complaints. Such as Joe Shmoe saying "Libre Office does not work with my documents". Then a support guy can visit Joe and ask him to demonstrate the problem, and how to fix it will become more obvious.
      - If only Joe did not understand how to use that feature in Libre Office, show him.
      - If many employees have problems using Libre Office, your training program might suck. Improve it, maybe invest in more training time for each employee.
      - If it is a genuine bug, work with the Libre Office developers to fix it. Maybe actually hire some developers for that.

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    5. Re:In breaking news.... by vivian · · Score: 2

      All computers suck, generally in different ways.

      I like programming on Linux, but still have to admit that visual studio offers a better integrated development experience than any other. (Qt is a close second)
      I hate the fact that every time I upgrade Ubuntu, I'm never 100% certain I'm going to have a pain free experience with my video drivers.
      I also hate that Libre office still cannot allow me to select columns by clicking on the header when entering in columns expressions like =sum(A:A) the way Excel does. I like that it's got a menu system still though - I hate Microsoft's ribbon interface.

      I hate that Macs have that annoyingly cut down interface that leaves out options that i want, and a pain in the butt file manager that ends up opening loads of different windows as I navigate deeper in my file system.

      There is no one perfect computer - but for Me Linux has slightly fewer annoyances than windows

      I love the Linux has the ability to run on so many platforms, and it's so easy to get it running in a VM at whatever level of capability I want - lightweight server only, full desktop, etc.

      I love that Windows has such great support for games.
      I love that Mac does have that very consistent user interface from app to app.

      Embrace the difference in each and try to bring the best of each system into the others - eventually we'll get there and make a computer that doesn't suck.

      I use synergy to have one keyboard and mouse between a Windows and Linux laptop - that makes a lot of the pain go away, because I can use each for what it's best at. Love that app.

    6. Re: In breaking news.... by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2
      number of critical Access DB's is unbelievable.

      I understand that putting your head in the Lion's mouth gets a lot of applause - but not because it is a sensible thing to do!

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    7. Re: In breaking news.... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Linux is not ready for the business admin world.

      If eating poop as you described it is required, then it may never be.

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    8. Re:In breaking news.... by Rob+Y. · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, it sounds like Barcelona has learned a thing or two from Munich's experience. They're not switching to Linux - or at least, not until the last Windows-only app is pried from users' cold, dead hands. They are going to standardize on the Windows versions of open source apps, like LibreOffice. And presumably some open sourced email and scheduling software. And they're going to plow the savings on Office and Exchange into getting replacement software written for whatever other stuff they need.

      Seriously, if they standardize on web applications for everything except perhaps stuff like LibreOffice, which exists on just about every platform - they're already way ahead of Munich. Munich made a valiant effort back in the day when desktop software was still king. Switching to Linux - and then trying to get all your desktop software rewritten for your chosen Linux target (another Munich problem - LiMux, whatever that is) turned out to be a recipe for partial success at best. But sticking with the Windows OS until you really don't need it any more for anything is a much better approach. And using Windows pretty much the same way you'd use a Chromebook (i.e. to access apps running on a server) is another way to save a bunch on IT support costs. Good luck, Barcelona.

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    9. Re:In breaking news.... by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Looks like you hit a nerve and got some mods panties in a wad. Some people don't like to see the truth. Truth is samba is a nightmare to set up on any system beyond the basic file sharing. Once you get it set up it works rather well, but after you get it set up it falls under the "get it working and leave it alone" software type.

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    10. Re: In breaking news.... by guruevi · · Score: 2

      Trust me, once you glue in Excel to the average IT department nobody will want to use it. Excel is a symptom of bad (IT) management, a "solution" that users build on their own because they can't get an IT person to help them or the 20 year PeopleSoft/SAP implementation will never be completed.

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    11. Re:In breaking news.... by Humbubba · · Score: 4, Funny
      Barcelona is amazing. First they try to leave Spain, now Microsoft.

      To avoid the Munich muck, Barcelona will have to more than replace Microsoft specific apps with cross platform and WEB based equivalents. Munich had pressure from the computer users, IT staff, politicos, businessmen, and a lot of the tech industry, not just Microsoft. It's hard to abandon the world standard.

  2. Here's an idea by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe Barcelona and Munich could just meet up and swap all their computers!

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    1. Re:Here's an idea by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It would appear that Barcelona may have planned their migration to Open-Source much better than Munich did. Per TFS, Barcelona began using Open-Source applications within Windows, long before they took the step to replace the underlying OS. That way, they had all their staff trained on the Open-Source tools, so the switch of the OS would be less onerous.

      This will be worth watching. I wish them luck.

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    2. Re: Here's an idea by cyber-vandal · · Score: 5, Funny

      You don't need to plan. Just get one of the experts on here to do it all. It'll just take a weekend apparently.

    3. Re:Here's an idea by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      That was the thing that made me cringe whenever I read about the Munich migration. Trying to move everything at once was a political statement, not a practical one. Windows should be the last proprietary software product that you abandon, and when you do it should be easy. First, move all of your back-end stuff to alternatives that use open protocols and work with different clients. Then move the clients for these over. Then start moving to LibreOffice or OpenOffice - have both installed, but mandate that new documents must be in the OpenOffice file formats. Then move to having MS Office on one machine per office that's used for legacy documents that don't open correctly. Move all of your other apps over to portable alternatives. When it comes time to replace Windows, you aren't running any Windows-only software and if you pick a DE with a Windows-like theme most of your uses won't even notice.

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    4. Re: Here's an idea by gtall · · Score: 2

      Well, the WSJ weekend edition just had an article on German military procurement. It turns out they've sucked at that for several years with badly planned systems, cost overruns, etc. It is enough to put a dent in their reputation for engineering prowess. Then there was the lying about vehicle emissions from Volkswagon.

  3. Re:20 years later... by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

    The country of Barcelona

    I don't need to be psychic to work out where you're from...

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  4. Next by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Funny

    All the city's computers swich their locale settings to ca_ES.UTF-8, annoying the shit out of everybody. Then they hold a referendum to propose disconnecting from the internet and dumping their .es top-level domain name. Then the main server flees to Belgium.

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    1. Re:Next by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

      .cat is already a TLD.

  5. Thanks to the cloud by aussie_a · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What really makes this possible is the cloud. Typically industry specific software will make it really difficult to migrate away from Windows, but as more and more of these programs migrate to a browser based interface, Linux compatibility shoots through the roof.

    By going with a phased approach where the OS is the last thing to migrate, they have already demonstrated more forethought than many other organisations. The real milestones will be when they get finance to move away from excel and when they replace senior members of IT. Until they meet those milestones, this will in all likelihood end up being a giant waste of money and time.

    1. Re: Thanks to the cloud by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

      Move from Excel to what?

    2. Re: Thanks to the cloud by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's exactly the attitude the finance people will have. Believe it or not there are open source alternatives to Microsoft Excel. You'll get finance people to switch to that as quickly as you'll get Texans to give up their firearms though.

    3. Re: Thanks to the cloud by q_e_t · · Score: 2

      For a lot of basic use LibreOffice is fine. It's when there are lots of macros Excel shows advantages. I haven't tried lots of Macros with Office 365.

    4. Re: Thanks to the cloud by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Move from Excel to what?

      Everything that should have been used instead of Excel in the first place.

      Seriously the only Excel tables which don't work on the several other office suits which are available are the ones that shouldn't have been setup in the first place (think payroll database that someone decided to implement in Excel). Migrating to cloud based services for management returns the office applications to their basic roots and makes adoption of other software easy.

      Now Sharepoint and Exchange on the other hand...

    5. Re: Thanks to the cloud by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

      So have the finance department. They won't still be on Excel 95. The difference is they'll be moving complex data structures to software that isn't completely compatible and required to do a lot of work for no appreciable advantage. The same could be said for a document production department that uses a lot of Word templates. If Libre Office was a drop-in replacement as is the common mistaken belief here, Microsoft Office would be dying already.

  6. Re:So Germany first, now France? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

    Patience, High Master. Our plan is working perfectly, Zontar The Mindless. The foolish earthlings do not suspect a thing. I counsel respectfully that you refrain from drawing attention to their geographical perception-impairments, for you may induce an unintentional flow of Fabaceae seeds from their implement of storage.

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  7. Re:Opps Another City Going to Learn The Hard Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ....or perhaps some bribes happened behind the scene. I heard M$ had an HQ at Germany.

  8. Re:20 years later... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    The country of Barcelona

    I don't need to be psychic to work out where you're from...

    Now, now - Redmond's schools are better than that.

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  9. Re:destined to fail by q_e_t · · Score: 2

    Governments aren't necessarily horribly inefficient, though. If you look at healthcare, they seem to be quite efficient. However, any large organisation has pockets of inefficiency, and governments are no exception. Some of the inefficiency is driven by frequent changes of direction in policy, although that can also happen in any large organisation. Keeping track of government efficiency is a good thing, and the GAO serves that purpose nominally, and just about every Western nation has an equivalent, as well as the press

    If the idea is to maximise the benefit to citizenry, then keeping a check on monopoly, which the FTC does, may fulfil this, as monopolies can lead to abuse (qv. Standard Oil).

    On the other hand, there are a range of things that the private sector does better than government. For example, I certainly wouldn't want to buy government-designed clothing from an official government store!

  10. Re:They need to move to free software hardware fir by q_e_t · · Score: 3, Informative

    These days Linux support for hardware is pretty good, and moderate diligence alleviates that risk. 15 years ago I would have agreed with you, and 10 years ago there were still some issues. In my personal experience there is now little that is not supported for the typical office environment. It's different if you are talking things like mass spectrometers, or some music hardware, but in those corner cases (which the Barcelona government might not even have) then you can buy an occasional Windows machine, although the TCO for those individual machines might be quite high. The area that might his Barcelona the most might be quality of drivers for high end graphics cards for architectural work.

  11. Re:destined to fail by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Europeans love to hate on billion dollar tax evaders

    there, fixed that for you

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  12. Save even more money! by The123king · · Score: 2

    Buy all the kit Munich is scrapping whilst moving back to Windows!

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  13. Re:destined to fail by Ryanrule · · Score: 2

    Get pissed that your govts allow these tax havens to exist. You know it’s for the benefit of the rich. Shut them down.

  14. Re: 20 years later by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 2

    I suspect that the bigger "out of the box" applications won't be converted at all, instead the workers will be told what they use in the future. Preferably not too much new stuff at a time, so they don't have to relearn everything in short order.

    The real problem might be with small, proprietary stuff. As a hypothetical example, the management software for the munipical public transport, which was written by some small software vendor 10 years ago. Of course, it is closed source, the vendor is bankrupt by now and the source code has been lost at some point.

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  15. Re:Spectrum by pi_rules · · Score: 5, Funny

    Spectrum (Charter / Brighthouse / Time Warner) Cable has switched to Libre Office for customer care and some other departments.

    The whole customer service departments of all three aren't on MS Office now? That's like.. four... people? SUCK IT MICROSOFT!