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Now Hiring For a Fascinating New Kind of Job That Only a Human Can Do: Babysit a Robot (wired.com)

From a report: Book a night at LAX's Residence Inn and you may be fortunate enough to meet an employee named Wally. His gig is relatively pedestrian -- bring you room service, navigate around the hotel's clientele in the lobby and halls -- but Wally's life is far more difficult than it seems. If you put a tray out in front of your door, for instance, he can't get to you. If a cart is blocking the hall, he can't push it out of the way. But fortunately for Wally, whenever he gets into a spot of trouble, he can call out for help. See, Wally is a robot -- specifically, a Relay robot from a company called Savioke. And when the machine finds itself in a particularly tricky situation, it relies on human agents in a call center way across the country in Pennsylvania to bail it out. [...]

The first companies to unleash robots into service sectors have been quietly opening call centers stocked with humans who monitor the machines and help them get out of jams. "It's something that's just starting to emerge, and it's not just robots," says David Poole, CEO and co-founder of Symphony Ventures, which consults companies on automation. "I think there is going to be a huge industry, probably mostly offshore, in the monitoring of devices in general, whether they're health devices that individuals wear or monitoring pacemakers or whatever it might be."

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  1. But fortunately for Wally .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's WALLY ?

  2. Pacemakers? by RobinH · · Score: 1

    If they're monitoring pacemakers, that's great, but I really hope they use some kind of data diode!

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  3. Future jobs? Or future games? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    What if it's the short-term solution? Robots remotely operated by humans?

    And if you're able to game-ify the job, you'll get people paying you to do your work!

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    1. Re:Future jobs? Or future games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially if you can equip the robot with a pistol/silencer combo and assign points to various classes of people!

    2. Re:Future jobs? Or future games? by lgw · · Score: 1

      What if it's the short-term solution? Robots remotely operated by humans?

      Nothing's forever, but this isn't new, and I expect this sort of job will be around for some time. Automation that needs human babysitters is as old as automation. The software I work on keeps track of both people and robots doing their job, and "robots with babysitters" is certainly a category we've had for a long time.

      Sure, eventually any sort of automation may become mature enough that it only needs humans for repair/service, but that can take decades depending on the job. In the mean time, the robots still reduce the human labor needed, and as long as the overall solution costs less, it's going to be adopted by industry.

      And if you're able to game-ify the job, you'll get people paying you to do your work!

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    3. Re:Future jobs? Or future games? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      What if it's the short-term solution? Robots remotely operated by humans?

      Mechanical Turk (the actual one, not the Amazon version).

      May as well - it seems to be humans we have the surplus of. As long as we can offshore them to make them affordable ...

    4. Re:Future jobs? Or future games? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Dang, I messed up the quotes. Sorry.

  4. My Bro was asked to do something like this by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    for a project once. Basically train the AI that would replace him. He got right on that.

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    1. Re: My Bro was asked to do something like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That has to be it. Look at these reasons.
      "If you put a tray out in front of your door, for instance, he can't get to you. If a cart is blocking the hall, he can't push it out of the way..."
      Pretty simple problems.
      I mean it brought you the tray in the first place. And pushing a cart? You just run into it and it will move.

    2. Re:My Bro was asked to do something like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they replace you with both the AI and its babysitter. You're overqualified to babysit it.

  5. Let me guess by burtosis · · Score: 2

    The job comes with a very comfy modern chair and a big red button you push very occasionally, probably getting there on a moving sidewalk. If only we old timers had some kind of preparation for this day. Oh well.

    1. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Back in the early 1980's, my babysitters used to also drink and smoke while they occasionally pushed the big red button and moved left and right.

      Later, the big red button was promoted to babysitter, and I got to push it, and drink and smoke.

      I feel I am uniquely qualified for the job. Where can I sign up?

  6. The Industy of Decimation by geekmux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "I think there is going to be a huge industry, probably mostly offshore, in the monitoring of devices in general, whether they're health devices that individuals wear or monitoring pacemakers or whatever it might be."

    Let's not try and paint the illusion that this is some massive job creator. There will probably be ten jobs replaced by automation for every one job added to the automation monitoring.

    A huge industry is being replaced by something more the size of a cottage industry.

    1. Re:The Industy of Decimation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Otherwise known as progress.

    2. Re:The Industy of Decimation by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Well that and a neural net is probably learning what the people told the robot to do about the situation, so they can whittle those down eventually, too.

    3. Re:The Industy of Decimation by geekmux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Otherwise known as progress.

      Sorry, but this has become an invalid response, because the past does not easily apply to the future.

      We're not just targeting lowly repetitive jobs with automation. We're also targeting highly skilled and educated jobs. You won't be able to tell someone to simply go get an education in the future. Even the justification of higher education will start to become weaker and weaker as automation and good-enough AI take hold.

      Let's see how the economy defines "progress" when employing a human is the target of obsolescence.

    4. Re:The Industy of Decimation by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's what technology does. Ikea even changed the shape of its mugs:

      Companies like Ikea have literally designed products around pallets: Its “Bang” mug, notes Colin White in his book Strategic Management, has had three redesigns, each done not for aesthetics but to ensure that more mugs would fit on a pallet (not to mention in a customer’s cupboard). After the changes, it was possible to fit 2,204 mugs on a pallet, rather than the original 864, which created a 60 percent reduction in shipping costs.

      Where you might need 5 truckers to ship as many mugs as sold in a fortnight, now you can do it with 2 truckers. Never mind that the wooden pallet eliminated 90% of the labor (jobs) associated with shipping an amount of goods in the first place.

      It still takes some labor to produce the pallets--lumbering, milling, assembling, and even shipping--and that's much less labor than what you eliminate from the shipping process.

      The jobs aren't going away; things are getting cheaper, we can buy more, and we'll end up with the same number of jobs and more stuff. I favor recycling some of that new productivity into time by lowering the definition of full-time working hours, though.

    5. Re:The Industy of Decimation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it probably facilitates the expansion of the huge industry to a gigantic one, or creates an entirely new one that wasn't possible before. That's what's happened in the past. Farming used to employ almost everyone and is now a handful of people by comparison; but that freed up everyone to do other jobs creating the entire science/technology, finance, services etc industries that we have today. They wouldn't have been possible before because everyone was too busy. With clothing everyone used to only have a couple of sets of clothes, now they have a new wardrobe every year - the output of the industry grew. It's not necessarily all bad. What'll hurt more than anything else is the rate of change because it's likely to change faster than people can retrain to keep up with.

    6. Re:The Industy of Decimation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Let's see how the economy defines "progress" when employing a human is the target of obsolescence.

      It always has been, that's what the entire industrial revolution was about. Replacing slow artesian crafters with automated machines that produced more, faster, and to better precision with a handful of the workers it'd normally take to produce the same quantity of goods. A victorian loom could produce in minutes lacework that would have literally taken a worker years to make by hand.

    7. Re:The Industy of Decimation by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      Let's see how the economy defines "progress" when employing a human is the target of obsolescence.

      SIgh... nobody seems to comprehend that this is not the case. The target of obsolescence is human JOBS and I [for one] see no reason that people need to be employed when machine productivity is high enough to provide a high-quality lifestyle for everyone.

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    8. Re:The Industy of Decimation by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's what technology does. Ikea even changed the shape of its mugs:

      Companies like Ikea have literally designed products around pallets: Its “Bang” mug, notes Colin White in his book Strategic Management, has had three redesigns, each done not for aesthetics but to ensure that more mugs would fit on a pallet (not to mention in a customer’s cupboard). After the changes, it was possible to fit 2,204 mugs on a pallet, rather than the original 864, which created a 60 percent reduction in shipping costs.

      Where you might need 5 truckers to ship as many mugs as sold in a fortnight, now you can do it with 2 truckers. Never mind that the wooden pallet eliminated 90% of the labor (jobs) associated with shipping an amount of goods in the first place.

      It still takes some labor to produce the pallets--lumbering, milling, assembling, and even shipping--and that's much less labor than what you eliminate from the shipping process.

      IKEA changing mugs did not cause a global impact in the job force. Even if 50% of the lumber industry were impacted today, that represents 150,000 jobs. That's not even close to what AI and automation is looking to eliminate.

      The jobs aren't going away; things are getting cheaper, we can buy more, and we'll end up with the same number of jobs and more stuff.

      You can do all this for now. Going forward, automation will continue to march forward and consume jobs that will not be replaced. Automation is targeting the transportation industry. Imagine if 20 - 30 years from now the job of human driver no longer existed. Millions of jobs disappear. And that's but one industry automation is targeting. Automation is working in parallel across many industries, making that impact considerably larger.

      I favor recycling some of that new productivity into time by lowering the definition of full-time working hours, though.

      Certainly a 20-hour workweek being considered full time would benefit humanity. We would actually learn to enjoy life, as a work/life balance becomes far more reasonable. Unfortunately, this will still not be enough to alleviate the pending impact of automation and AI driving the concept of human employment into extinction. UBI won't be a viable answer either unless you are accepting to an income and lifestyle of welfare, which is what UBI will ultimately pay. Without income, the economy collapses into a shadow of its former self.

    9. Re:The Industy of Decimation by jjmcwill · · Score: 2

      I'm extremely skeptical of the "high quality lifestyle for everyone" utopia being promoted.

      In America, the Republican view is that if you're not supporting yourself through work, you're a freeloader and a drain on society. The top 1%, and even the top .1% rightfully earned their billions. They're the "job creators", and how dare we impose higher taxes on them for the betterment of the rest of society.

      What you're suggesting is that Universal Basic Income becomes accepted everywhere. I feel like that's a fantasy that only happens in Science Fiction.

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    10. Re:The Industy of Decimation by geekmux · · Score: 2

      Let's see how the economy defines "progress" when employing a human is the target of obsolescence.

      SIgh... nobody seems to comprehend that this is not the case. The target of obsolescence is human JOBS and I [for one] see no reason that people need to be employed when machine productivity is high enough to provide a high-quality lifestyle for everyone.

      Sigh...you seem to have forgotten what makes the capitalistic world go 'round. Care to explain exactly how our economy survives and thrives when it is only the automation overlords receiving a paycheck? All the efficiency in the world becomes rather pointless without a massive change in the reward system, which tackling that issue is far from priority.

      And please don't try and regurgitate the concept of UBI being our financial savior. As much as we want to believe that will be our utopia, We can't get the 1% to pay their fair share of taxes now, so you can rest assured that those who fund UBI will lobby to ensure it becomes nothing more than Welfare 2.0 for the unemployable masses. We'll see how the definition of "high-quality" changes when billions live in the Global Welfare State. You think there's a global imbalance of wealth and power now? Look into a future where a dozen trillionaires control the entire planet.

      This will happen because we will never find a cure for the disease of obscene greed.

    11. Re:The Industy of Decimation by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Never mind that the wooden pallet eliminated 90% of the labor (jobs) associated with shipping an amount of goods in the first place.

      It also made it much faster to load and unload a container. It used to take up to a week to manually hand carry out all the stuff in a container. If they were somewhat regular, it could be done in about a day.

      Now you can load and unload an entire container within a few hours, so the truck instead of idling for a day can be back on the road hauling another load.

      (It can take a week to load and unload a container filled with odd-shaped items as the items need to be secured within the container. With everyone standardizing on pallets, even odd-shaped items can be made to fit, and the item can be padded while the pallet is on the ground at the warehouse instead of doing it in the truck container. Much easier for everyone.).

      Also, it saved a lot of people's backs in not having to carry heavy goods around

    12. Re:The Industy of Decimation by HiThere · · Score: 1

      It's also a very temporary job. All the problems, and the solutions, are being recorded. The next model will have half the need for a "babysitter", and the algorithm is tail-recursive.

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    13. Re:The Industy of Decimation by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Let's see how the economy defines "progress" when employing a human is the target of obsolescence.

      There is a lot of work where we didn't make the employees more efficient, we replaced them entirely. And replacing all work... I do automate things at work. And every time there's a new demand/wish for us to deliver more in like ten different directions. Once upon a time we got the data on floppy discs and people were happy to get a tally. Then they wanted reports. Then they wanted cubes they could slice and dice. Then they wanted correlations and projections and metrics. Then they wanted big data and data mining. And I'm not sure what they'll want next but I'm sure they'll want something.

      And robots beats sweatshops. I mean as long as you got people employing people you need some of them to be poor to have cheap labor. I don't want a bunch of kids with sewing machines making my clothes - at least I'm lucky enough to not be those kids - I want them to do something more productive. But who's left holding the bag if we don't have robots? Without tractors we need people to get back in the fields with shovels. If we're short on work, just admit that what they'd be doing is busywork. But so far I have pretty long list of real work they could pick up...

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    14. Re:The Industy of Decimation by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Let's see how the economy defines "progress" when employing a human is the target of obsolescence.

      There is a lot of work where we didn't make the employees more efficient, we replaced them entirely. And replacing all work... I do automate things at work. And every time there's a new demand/wish for us to deliver more in like ten different directions. Once upon a time we got the data on floppy discs and people were happy to get a tally. Then they wanted reports. Then they wanted cubes they could slice and dice. Then they wanted correlations and projections and metrics. Then they wanted big data and data mining. And I'm not sure what they'll want next but I'm sure they'll want something.

      They'll want something alright; and once the technology exists to get that something exponentially faster and cheaper than any human can deliver, they'll replace the human worker.

      A solution with machine precision that works 24 hours a day, never gets sick, and never needs time off? Good luck competing against that. Greed never goes out of style.

      And robots beats sweatshops. I mean as long as you got people employing people you need some of them to be poor to have cheap labor. I don't want a bunch of kids with sewing machines making my clothes - at least I'm lucky enough to not be those kids - I want them to do something more productive. But who's left holding the bag if we don't have robots? Without tractors we need people to get back in the fields with shovels. If we're short on work, just admit that what they'd be doing is busywork. But so far I have pretty long list of real work they could pick up...

      I agree that some jobs need robotic solutions to eliminate situations that create sweat shops. Unfortunately that "pretty long" list gets rather short when you realize not everyone is mentally or physically cut out for even half of the "real" work left over. I'm not trying to be derogatory here, but don't overlook the more obvious reason some people stay in a rather simple job for life. And remember Greed. Employers don't like paying for "busywork". They like paying for necessary work.

    15. Re:The Industy of Decimation by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      IKEA changing mugs did not cause a global impact in the job force.

      The wooden shipping pallet did.

      Unfortunately, this will still not be enough to alleviate the pending impact of automation and AI driving the concept of human employment into extinction.

      To put this into perspective: Statements about upcoming automation and machine learning eliminating work are scientifically similar to statements about nuclear waste causing humans to develop superpowers like flight and invincibility.

      No, we're not moving into a future where jobs go away and never come back. We're going through exactly what we've gone through constantly and continuously through all of human history. This happened in 2000, in 1993, in 2014, in 1971, and every day between and all the way back to when the first human picked up a pointy stick. If we don't shorten the work week, in 20 years, we'll find ourselves sitting on a larger population with the same percentage of the work force working 40 hours per week and churning out things that would take enormous amounts of human labor (and high costs) today for cheap. The same is true 50 years, 100 years, and 500 years out.

    16. Re:The Industy of Decimation by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      It also made it much faster to load and unload a container.

      That's what I just said.

      To ship a truckload of cans, you had to pay for some 240 man-hours of work at each load/unload. Then the pallet came around, and you had to pay for only 20 man-hours of work. It became possible to staff 1 person to do the work of every 12.

      When you make things happen faster, you eliminate the need for labor. Labor is just time.

    17. Re:The Industy of Decimation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same way it works now, you juts own robots or shares of robot factories instead of pretending to work yourself. The main change will be that taxes on wages have to transition to taxes on capital assets, as no one earns a wage anymore but shit the private sector sucks at like roads still need to exist.

      Now if you want something less stupid yeah, that's likely going to include putting that capital tax to use for UBI and a transition to an ecconamy focused away from industry on account of industry no longer being scarce so most productive work is going to be something else (possibly entertainment, pure research, etc.) It'd also be good to start that now so details like taxing capital instead of wages and having a UBI are in place before they're strictly necessary and can be debugged before the become a sink or swim deal.

    18. Re:The Industy of Decimation by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      We're also targeting highly skilled and educated jobs.

      I don't know where you've been for the last 50 years, but this has been going on for a while. Do you know that there used to be a job called a "computer?" There were whole rooms of these people working out complicated calculus by hand, sometimes in assembly-line fashion. Can you guess what replaced them?

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    19. Re:The Industy of Decimation by Monster_user · · Score: 2

      How does one come to own shares of robot factories, or own robots? Sure now at the transitionary period, we have the ability to buy and prepare, but as each generation erodes their livelihoods through mistakes, what is the mechanism to recover once one no longer has any robots or shares, or even the minimum one needs to provide basic survival necessities?

      The forethought, restraint, and financial planning required to maintain sustainability in a capitalistic system that is post-employment/post-job creating, just doesn't exist in the human element at large.

    20. Re:The Industy of Decimation by Monster_user · · Score: 2

      What do we need or want anymore that requires any amount of human labor anymore to drive an economy? I don't have any ideas that would employ any one body, much less 7 billion bodies.

      We are in a race against automation. Keeping new jobs coming, and the education facilities teaching and training and humanity adapting at a fast enough rate to keep ahead of the loss of jobs due to automation. And automation itself is currently a thriving field with a lot of innovation and a lot of energy, and a lot of demand. Like a cancer or parasite consuming its host.

    21. Re:The Industy of Decimation by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      What do we need or want anymore that requires any amount of human labor anymore to drive an economy?

      Well I'd like a larger house, an expensive electric motorcycle, this $3,500 stove, an electrical system upgrade that involves $2,000 of components, a greenhouse on my roof, more video games, higher end computer components, an $80,000 electric car, and lots of other really expensive stuff.

      Those costs aren't 90% profit margins; there's labor in there--lots of it--and new technology cuts back the labor. That $3,500 stove becomes an exceedingly high-tech stove that requires way more labor, while the thing I'm looking at today only costs $500 thanks to new tech making it easy to manufacture with fewer human hours.

      That's where it comes from: that rich-people bullshit only millionaires buy becomes stuff we can all afford.

    22. Re: The Industy of Decimation by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      What you are saying is what once put $3,500 into the economy, now only puts $500 into the economy.

      Of course a lower cost equals a greater volume, so there is additional math required to gauge the difference.

      But this ignores the question I asked, which is what are we doing to increase paid labor. Not what are we doing to reduce paid labor to make products more affordable for the few still employed.

    23. Re: The Industy of Decimation by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      What you are saying is what once put $3,500 into the economy, now only puts $500 into the economy.

      Imagine if your food arbitrarily cost 3x as much, a shirt cost $150 instead of $15, and no wages increased.

      Technical progress does the opposite of that.

      But this ignores the question I asked, which is what are we doing to increase paid labor. Not what are we doing to reduce paid labor to make products more affordable for the few still employed.

      People will buy more when they can buy more with the money they have. That's how it's always been. Do you buy everything you want to buy now? How many people would pass up a pay raise doubling their income? Why would they want more money?

    24. Re: The Industy of Decimation by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      We're talking past each other.

      Now imagine that $150 shirt dropped to $15 due to progress. Now imagine it dropped again to $5 due to progress.

      Now imagine that you can't afford a $5 shirt because only one in one-hundred are employed to babysit a machine to manufacture the shirt.

      Imagine the economy as a heartbeat monitor. Spike goes up, means profit. Spike drops means employment and pay. Now imagine overall pay drops down to $5 along with the production costs. There simply isn't enough work to keep money circulating to afford the goods being sold, so the economy flatlines.

    25. Re: The Industy of Decimation by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Now imagine that you can't afford a $5 shirt because only one in one-hundred are employed to babysit a machine to manufacture the shirt.

      Exactly! Now people can buy the things they want to buy, because they spend 1/3 as much on the things they need to buy!

      Now imagine overall pay drops down to $5 along with the production costs

      Actually, the production cost is the cost of labor. Machines are built with labor. Metals are mined with labor. Textiles are grown, refined, woven, dyed, all with labor. We use machines (and just smarter techniques--"technology") to reduce the labor.

      Remember: tools don't get paid; humans do. Human work commodity is time.

      There simply isn't enough work to keep money circulating to afford the goods being sold

      Actually, with the cost going down, the same hours worked at wage means more produced, same paid. That means less time worked, same wage, lower cost per thing. If people can't afford the thing produced, then you can make a profit by making the same thing but selling it at a lower profit margin, filling the gap the next producer left. Really, in a big market with a commodity good (one where the market is basically everyone, instead of a few wealthy, because it's cheap enough to make a profit selling it to everyone), you have competitors who try to steal each others's customers and maximize profits by a race to the bottom in terms of price.

      Imagine if one clothing producer figured out how to produce better clothing than every other producer in the world, but at 1/3 the cost. Do you think they'd keep prices the same, or drop them below the price of other producers until the volume of existing sales times the unit price drop per unit exceeded the volume of new sales times the new unit gross profit? Of course they'd drop prices until it was no longer profitable to do so.

      Now imagine if the other producers got the same tech and brought their prices in line. That's a lot of gap. Without a price-fixing agreement, producers keep going lower; with a price-fixing agreement, a new producer enters the game and sells those $11.99 shirts for $4.50 because dorkuses keep doing that instead of reaping huge profits at $9; with the FTA, the price fixers get a boot in their ass, and somebody ceases to be a business as a warning to others. The FTA doesn't like hoping someone can get a $40 million loan to start up a cheap t-shirt factory on the theory that they can take over the whole global market and make billions.

      A well-regulated free enterprise market works great because of this. An unregulated free market just gets you a megacorporation that owns everything, and then you have a bad time.

    26. Re: The Industy of Decimation by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      The concern is that automation is unregulated, and thus advancing more rapidly than the human workforce can adapt.

      Remember: tools don't get paid; humans do. Human work commodity is time.
      Exactly.

      And the wages of human labor is what currently determines quality of life. It needs to be regulated, respected, and protected.

    27. Re: The Industy of Decimation by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      The concern is that automation is unregulated, and thus advancing more rapidly than the human workforce can adapt.

      Right: the important factor is time. My Universal Dividend is designed to, among other things, strengthen the consumer base when faced with increased transient unemployment growth rates, such that you get a push back and slow that growth in unemployment. It also magnifies the recovery effect by distributing part of the new productivity to the consumer base. Makes it easier to handle rapid cycles of technical progress.

      It has a stronger localized effect than nationalized. Think about displaced industry: Baltimore lost its industry 60 years ago, and is still a collapsed industry city; the new types of growth appeared elsewhere, and America as a whole is wealthier and better-off. If the Universal Dividend had taken effect in January, 2016, then by March we would have seen Baltimore recovering, and by the end of 2017 it would have been a booming local economy. That contributes to the national economy; it doesn't represent the effect spanning America at all times.

      So it seems we're both in agreement that automation isn't the technical end to jobs, but rather a threat of rapid progress leaving so many people behind before anyone can catch their balance that our economy collapses from extreme temporary unemployment. Is that right?

    28. Re: The Industy of Decimation by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      So it seems we're both in agreement that automation isn't the technical end to jobs, but rather a threat of rapid progress leaving so many people behind before anyone can catch their balance that our economy collapses from extreme temporary unemployment. Is that right?

      Might be all we agree on thus far.

      For, one, I'm not convinced America as a whole is wealthier and better off.

      Market forces are a complex thing, and economies are misleading. Short term gains and short term stability do not necessarily provide a strong foundation for future markets.

      Additionally, numbers can be skewed by various and sundry things. America has been recovering from the last recession. Trying to find a new baseline between bubbles and crashes. America may be better off than it was during the recession, but that doesn't mean it is better off than it was before the last bubble and recession. And the Baltimore situation may have slowed the growth in the economy, as opposed to contributing to growth.

      Finally, a Universal Dividend doesn't slow down the advance of progress, nor does it guarantee the long term value or sustainability of that dividend. Thus a Universal Dividend is what, a welfare state transitioning to a socialist state? A Universal Dividend is an effort to console and placate, to ward off revolution and war from those who have been betrayed and abandoned. Or at the very least a hands off fingers crossed hope that the problem will resolve itself, and not simply get worse with the reduced motivation to fix it.

      Perhaps a tax on automation would be better. Tax it to reduce the benefits and slow it down, and require by law that those taxes be spent in communities to redevelop them in the wake of lost jobs and "expired" investments. The concern would be balancing responsibility and investment with a reasonable expection of ROI on those taxes.

      We have to either plan to sustain a capitalist economy, or transition into another world system. A capitalist economy requires work for human labor which has a return on investment. Which means the work has to provide value worth more than the cost of sustaining a human life, and be within the realm of the average human cognitive physical ability, and outside the realm of reasonable automation.

    29. Re: The Industy of Decimation by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      For, one, I'm not convinced America as a whole is wealthier and better off

      GDP-per-capita goes up. How it's distributed is another matter. We are definitely making more per person (and per labor-hour) each year. More per person is interesting: it's affected by raw GDP, so high unemployment or a falling labor participation rate can cut back your GDP-per-capita even as productivity rises. GDP-per-capita is considered equivalent to income-per-capita.

      America may be better off than it was during the recession, but that doesn't mean it is better off than it was before the last bubble and recession.

      $48,401 per capita, 2008. $47,001 per capita at low point, 2009. $57,466 last measurement, 2016. We nearly recovered to the peak of the bubble by the end of 2010, but not quite.

      Yes, 2.8% loss in per-capita income and a 5% spike in unemployment caused that massive amount of damage.

      a Universal Dividend doesn't slow down the advance of progress,

      The Dividend speeds the response to progress by reducing the damage done to individuals and local economies in the path of progress--those whose employment is taken from them in trade for greater efficiency.

      nor does it guarantee the long term value or sustainability of that dividend

      It actually grows with GDP-per-capita, so is guaranteed to grow long-term faster than cost of living.

      Thus a Universal Dividend is what, a welfare state transitioning to a socialist state?

      A new financial maneuver to strengthen a capitalist society against disruption, ultimately reducing poverty directly and thus lowering the cost of anti-poverty systems. The immediate impact is a reduction of taxes and tax burdens across the board; that impact increases over time, without raising taxes at any point, thus providing sustained economic equity (not equality).

      Perhaps a tax on automation would be better.

      A tax on automation increases the cost of production, thus preventing prices from falling (they can't fall below cost). That means the ratio of an individual's wages earned from employment to the cost of goods produced by employment-displacing technology decreases, reducing the final capacity for the market to recover. This guarantees sustained high unemployment.

      In other words: an automation tax would make recessions come on faster, cause more unemployment, and linger longer, with increases in unemployment made permanent.

      A capitalist economy requires work for human labor which has a return on investment.

      Jobs are produced by consumer buying power.

    30. Re: The Industy of Decimation by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      That means the ratio of an individual's wages earned from employment to the cost of goods produced by employment-displacing technology decreases This is one of your biggest errors.

      A tax wouldn't reduce an employee's earnings ratio. A tax would weaken the employer's position at the bargaining table. The employer can't simply say, take less or I will replace you with a machine, which would reduce the economic hit.

      It is the lowest bidder which sets the economic value. The lowest bidder being the machine, thus the earnings ratio is set to be that of the machine. Beyond that value adds are discussed, such as name recognition and the human element. Things that don't generate enough revenue to sustain a human being, but could tip the scales against a machine for the same quality and quantity of work. Taxes don't lead to a recession, wild changes in taxes do. As long as those taxes are distributed fairly and predictably to budget against, it will all sort itself out in the free market.

      And jobs and consumer buying power are intrinsically linked. Saying jobs are produced by consumer buying power is ignoring the other half of the equation. Which is that the wage earnings ratio and supply and demand of workers to jobs ratio, determines that buying power. A human must haggle upwards to gain buying power. A human must also bid against the machine, which does not require buying power. Thus the human is haggling at a distinct disadvantage to the machine. A tax would add an artificial "buying power" bid to the machine, to better equalize the man and the machine. Allowing production costs to drop slowly, while workers retrain for other fields.

      You claim that a Universal Dividend would reduce taxes across the board. To be reasonable in size to be effective, it would have to eliminate taxes for all but the upper classes, the top 3%. $10k to $15k annually. Otherwise it is a welfare system which is given to those who earn less than the dividend.

      Then comes the question of how to pay for this "Universal Dividend". To pay for it you would have to institute a "Universal Dividend" tax to redistribute the GDP evenly.

      Now I suppose what you could do is tack on a capitalist system on top of a socialist one. Let the government tax the GDP, to create this Universal Dividend, then pay it out, then tax the payout to give the government its cut, then mail the remainder of the payout to the citizens. Citizens would then be employed for the difference between their dividend and what their current salary is, which would be taxed along the lines of the current rules. Meaning that the tax brackets would be lowered by the amount of the Universal Dividend.

    31. Re: The Industy of Decimation by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      A tax wouldn't reduce an employee's earnings ratio. A tax would weaken the employer's position at the bargaining table. The employer can't simply say, take less or I will replace you with a machine, which would reduce the economic hit.

      Nope. Unless you intend to effectively ban the machines by making them more-expensive--and thus halt progress at the cost of, you know, human lives--they'll eventually displace people. Once that's done, replacing the human with a machine will hold the cost of goods high, reducing the amount of goods humans can buy with their money.

      Machines are made and operated by humans. Machine operation translates to human jobs--just fewer jobs than just human labor. If you replace human labor with machine operation and also make the machine cost closer to the job cost by a tax, you replace human workers with... a tax. You destroy jobs.

      You claim that a Universal Dividend would reduce taxes across the board. To be reasonable in size to be effective, it would have to eliminate taxes for all but the upper classes, the top 3%. $10k to $15k annually. Otherwise it is a welfare system which is given to those who earn less than the dividend.

      Not really. In 2016 model at 14% Dividend, it's a 1.9% tax cut on the 39.6% tax bracket, and it pays $7,500/year to each adult. In a one-adult houselhold, a $29,000 income translates to $29,015 take-home after Federal taxes. In a two-adult household, a $58,000 income translates to $58,031 take-home.

      Then comes the question of how to pay for this "Universal Dividend". To pay for it you would have to institute a "Universal Dividend" tax to redistribute the GDP evenly.

      The model restructures retirement and disability benefits and (under)accounts for a reduction in poverty impacting TANF, SNAP, and HUD. Those costs are taken entirely out of the Federal tax brackets (by merging the 12.4% FICA into them, then cutting off 40.2%), and a 14% Dividend tax is levied as a FICA tax (ignores deductions). That includes cutting and re-taxing corporate income tax (35%). Retirement and disability benefits pay the difference between this new benefit (which starts at age 18) and the total retirement or disability benefit (which start at retirement or when eligible for disability).

      Raising people out of or nearly out of poverty lets our welfare systems go farther on the same money. Because literally half of the households eligible for HUD assistance would be pushed above the income limits for a 2-adult, 3-child household, and the rest would be closer such that they'd get half or less a subsidy, HUD should cost about 27% as much to run and reach every eligible household; however, I accounted for it costing 75% as much because I'm like that.

      The same can be said of other services, although I've only considered SNAP and TANF.

      Now I suppose what you could do is tack on a capitalist system on top of a socialist one.

      A socialist system is one where the government owns the means to production. If the government taxes, regulates, and pays a benefit for private healthcare (e.g. medicaid, medicare), you have what's essentially a capitalist (or mixed-capitalist) system. To have a socialist system, the government needs to own and operate the healthcare system (hospitals, doctors, etc.).

      A tax-and-redistribute cash system like a Dividend aims to drive market demand and enable capitalism. For example: with stable incomes, people become profitable to landlords, thus housing becomes available.

      then tax the payout to give the government its cut

      Production is done and paid $100,000. $100,000 represents that useful, productive work.

      That $100,000 is taxed. That collects a portion of the wealth of the nation--its productive output. 14% of that ($14,000) is taken as the "Dividend".

      The Dividend is then paid out. Note that no productive

    32. Re: The Industy of Decimation by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      Your walls of text are getting longer and longer, and harder and harder to follow. After spending too much time reading them I fond they are at least 50% nonsense.

      The profit difference between a robot and a human worker does not typically get reinvested into human workers. This profit is absorbed at the shareholder or C-level, and further widens the wage gap. A tax doesn't protect the working class, but it does slow down that shift to automation to allow the market to catch up, which is what the tax is intended to do.

      $29k becomes $29k take home? The first two digits of my take home has never been the same as the first two digits of gross. Much less has the net ever been higher than the gross.

      Finally, I the taxes I have paid in have probably averaged $4,000 annually thus far, and I am considered to be at least double the poverty line. I have never paid $6.5k, much less $7.5k in taxes in any year, so where would that $6.5k to $7.5k dividend come from? What am I going to be paying in taxes on each pay stub to get that kind of "refund"? Are my taxes for the year simply going to double? Or am I going to be below the taxable income bracket?

    33. Re: The Industy of Decimation by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Your walls of text are getting longer and longer, and harder and harder to follow

      Yeah, I'm a politician; we talk a lot. Sorry. I would be much more effective if I learned the fine art of brevity.

      The profit difference between a robot and a human worker does not typically get reinvested into human workers

      Cost difference. A "robot" is the same thing as a wooden shipping pallet, and yes falling costs lead to falling prices in a competitive market.

      A tax doesn't protect the working class, but it does slow down that shift to automation to allow the market to catch up, which is what the tax is intended to do.

      This assertion requires my assertion that the costs lead to lower prices to be true, otherwise there's nothing to which the market is to "catch up". My point is levying a tax eliminates the cost difference, thus preventing a market catch-up.

      Now if you're suggesting levying a tax to slow the market when it moves too fast, and diminish that tax as the market catches up, that makes sense. Stronger consumer buying accelerates the pace of recovery by increasing the potential profits by competing (i.e. lowering your prices to undercut your competitors pays bigger gains when there are more sales in play); and getting out of the way of the market so that the early adopters get in early and the stuff is expensive and immature in its early roll-out naturally slows down deployment. If you fail both of those things, you can artificially create the second progression by levying, then slowly reducing and removing, a tax to slow growth of the new market. If that's what you're suggesting, then yes.

      A lot of people have suggested a permanent tax on automation of 100% the difference between an employee and a machine. That's just making the technical unemployment permanent. wherever you actually collect the tax.

      $29k becomes $29k take home? The first two digits of my take home has never been the same as the first two digits of gross.

      Yeah. I restructured the entire tax system.

      have never paid $6.5k, much less $7.5k in taxes in any year, so where would that $6.5k to $7.5k dividend come from? What am I going to be paying in taxes on each pay stub to get that kind of "refund"?

      Welp so much for brevity.

      A non-refundable tax credit stops at your liability: if you owe $3,000 and get a $5,000 credit, the Government gives you $3,000; you lose the other $2,000.

      A refundable credit, such as the Earned Income Tax Credit, pays you beyond your liability: if you owe $3,000 and hit max EITC (about $6,250), the government sends you a $3,250 check (or $6,250, returning what you've paid plus the remainder of the credit) in February.

      The Universal Dividend is structured as a Social Security benefit with a twice-monthly payment and its own FICA on all income. It pays on, say, the 1st and 15th of every month. In 2016, that would have been about $313 per payment. It's sort of like a tax refund, and sort of like a plain economic stimulus; if you're very poor, it's sort of like an aid package (welfare). That's why I say "tax burden" a lot instead of "taxes": you should end up ahead week-to-week, but you'll still pay more taxes--we just hand them right back, immediately, or as close to immediately as feasible.

      At $29k, a single filer pays $4,750 in 2016. With the Dividend the way I modeled it (which could use some adjustment), you end up paying about $2,750 more, and receiving $7,500 in roughly the same frequency as your paychecks. $7,500 - $2,750 = $4,750. You should see $313 coming out of each paycheck, and $313 coming from Social Security no more than 7 days later (if you happen to get paid on the 8th of that month, for example).

      It's done that way to tie the whole thing to income and, thus, ensure it trends with productivity gain

    34. Re: The Industy of Decimation by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      All that adds up to B.S.

      1. $313 every paycheck (313 * 26) is about $8k, not $7,500.

      2. I'm paying in about $4,000 tax, and not getting any of that back. Standard deductible. My refund is what I pay in excess of $4,000. So yeah, taxes will be cut. Along with whatever my $4,000 in taxes is actually paying for, like roads and schools. Also, the national debt.

      3. $7,500 is a crappy dividend. Welfare is about $12,000 per year.

      4. I wouldn't actually be recieving a $7,500 dividend, I would be recieving a $4,000 or 100% tax cut.

    35. Re: The Industy of Decimation by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      $313 every paycheck (313 * 26) is about $8k, not $7,500.

      How did you get "The Universal Dividend is structured as a Social Security benefit with a twice-monthly payment and its own FICA on all income. It pays on, say, the 1st and 15th of every month" to equate to $8k, when $313 * 24 = $7,512? (I'd seriously consider disbursing weekly, but that creates month-to-month variations where a month has 5 Fridays. Accounting sucks unless you use a 13-month year.)

      So yeah, taxes will be cut. Along with whatever my $4,000 in taxes is actually paying for, like roads and schools.

      Nope, it's revenue-neutral: the Federal government actually ends up with the same balance at the end of it all. The Dividend's funding source, in 2016, would have brought in and paid out $1.8 trillion, restructuring about $1.07 trillion. (I only have preliminary data for 2017.)

      As I said: the basis of that includes restructuring Social Security's existing benefits (retirement, disability) to meet the same total benefit when paid in addition to the Dividend (a retiree getting $1,500 gets $1,500), rather than paying the Dividend in addition to those benefits (a retiree getting $1,500 instead gets $2,100). That restructure is revenue-neutral because Social Security is self-funded.

      The payment in total is revenue-neutral because it's fed by an income tax from which it pays out: it's a new FICA benefit which is self-funded.

      The whole mucking about with the tax system happens because I restructured FICA in its entirety. I rolled FICA into the general income tax, then rebuilt it out of there. I also reclaimed the EITC as a Social Security service (the Dividend is effectively an unearned income, and pays more than the maximum EITC), along with SSI (nobody's really poor enough to be eligible for SSI with the Dividend in place--it would have zero program participation). Those are just small dollars, though, around a hundred billion and some change.

      In the end, that means all receiving non-income-determinant benefits (retirement, disability) are receiving the same or more benefits than they started; those receiving income-determinant benefits (EITC, HUD, SNAP, SSI, etc.) have an increase in income, and thus a decrease in eligibility, so receive less from those systems. Nothing gets cut, although some welfare gets less participation.

      $7,500 is a crappy dividend. Welfare is about $12,000 per year.

      It's more like $9,000, until you start counting things like Pell grants and healthcare; and that's at the absolute maximum. There might be a few thousand families in the entire country receiving that--and likely not much more than 10,000, if that many.

      The Dividend doesn't actually cut welfare. It simply pays out. Food stamps, HUD, and TANF don't pay you all-or-nothing, but rather scale with your distance from the poverty guideline. If you're closer, they pay less. More income puts you closer--or over, in which case they pay you nothing.

      In other words: making people less-poor in any way (by jobs or by handing them a cash benefit) reduces the dollar amount of legally-claimable welfare.

      The 2017 preliminary analysis looks like $324/month or $7,790/year, by the way. From 2013 out, that's $6,839, $7,138, $7,361, $7,517, and $7,790. It's $7,537 in 2017 if we begin paying the Dividend at age 16 (my eventual target)--I won't have a more-accurate number for that for a while yet, though, so I may be $5 or $10 off.

      I wouldn't actually be recieving a $7,500 dividend, I would be recieving a $4,000 or 100% tax cut.

      Right. That's why I said it's the other side of the funding structure: the point wasn't to make everyone $7,500 richer than they are today, and the scaling by inc

  7. Automation Exists .. News at 11 by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is just an extension of every automated job in factories since day one. The operators sit there monitoring the machines for problems and only intervene when there is a problem - and the process has been engineered the hell out it to minimize problems.

    The "novel" approach being gushed over here seems to be that:

    1. It's a robot that is being monitored.
    2. The operator is working remotely.

    neither of which are particularly novel, or new.

    Now git off my lawn.

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    1. Re:Automation Exists .. News at 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3. It's in a public environment, so people are noticing it. People have already got used to it in factories.

    2. Re:Automation Exists .. News at 11 by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      1. It's a robot that is being monitored. 2. The operator is working remotely.

      I think there must be something novel here. I noted the two you did, but I also noted that it mentioned problems that cannot be solved remotely. "If you put a tray out in front of your door, for instance, he can't get to you."

      If the robot cannot get around the tray, and cannot simply move it, then what good is a remote operator? Do the remote operators have a transporter so they can transport the errant tray out of the way? That would be novel and new.

      AI home help service robots which were actually being tele-operated by ex-DACA kids

      Oh, yeah, this is a good idea. Rich white people kicked their butts out of the country, and we're letting them teleoperate robots in the homes of rich white people.

    3. Re:Automation Exists .. News at 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would imagine that the robot has the physical ability to move the tray out of the way but not a good enough vision system to tell what is in fact blocking it. So the human would either:
      A) Tell the robot that it's ok to move the tray
      B) Remote operate the robot to remove the tray

      Pure speculation though

  8. Decades if not over a century old by davidwr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    IBM mainframes "phoned home" for tech help back before most of today's college students were born.

    Robotic tape drive malfunction? Phone home and a technician was dispatched.

    Even prior to the computer age, unattended automated industrial equipment had fault sensors. When a fault was detected, a remote alarm was raised and a technician was dispatched.

    Same principle as 50-100+ years ago, but with 21st century sophistication and a 21st century application.

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  9. Oh jeeze! Like that's new? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    What do you think the modern airline pilot does? Don't worry, even the "babysitting" job will be automated soon enough.

    *Who'll babysit the babysitters?*

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  10. Robot suicide hotline by Shag · · Score: 2

    This is an improvement, since now when a robot becomes depressed, there is someone it can call, who will try to talk it out of plunging suicidally into the nearest mall fountain.

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  12. They are not monitoring by Visarga · · Score: 1

    They are not monitoring, they are just being notified of problems and asked to intervene to rescue the robot. That's one thing. We can be sure a human can solve these kinds of problems. But monitoring health devices is best left to machines, I don't trust human attention to detail.

  13. 50 years ago by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    ...they told us in the 3rd millennium we would have robot servants, not that we would become a robot's servant.

    1. Re:50 years ago by Kjella · · Score: 1

      50 years ago they told us in the 3rd millennium we would have robot servants, not that we would become a robot's servant.

      You think occasionally helping the stuck robot lawn mower is to be a servant compared to mowing the lawn yourself? I don't build robots but I do build software and occasionally it fails and needs help. But you never count all the time your electronics work. All the times I didn't have to take the stairs because the elevator worked. All the meals my microwave cooked without breaking down. We're pampered by electronics all the time and barely notice except when they're not working. Okay so maybe it's not the Star Trek future but we're a few centuries short of that anyway. Go back 50 years, show the Apollo program a Falcon 9 landing on your iPhone and see if they're impressed or not - by the phone and the rocket.

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  14. Wait, What? by tsqr · · Score: 1

    If a cart is blocking the hall, he can't push it out of the way.

    ...and the remote operator, sitting in a cubicle hundreds of miles away, somehow moves the cart out of the way? Maybe the robot should just call the front desk and ask for help.

    1. Re:Wait, What? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Well, I think the concept is that if the robot gets into a situation where it can't figure out what to do, it will stop and signal an operator.

      That person may be able to remote drive the robot or call out (audio) or signal the hotel staff.

      For example, imagine a luggage cart blocking the hallway. Us humans would move it out the way. The robot may not have that capability. So it stops and signals. The operator looks at the situation, maneuvers the robot to one end of the cart and moves it slowly forward, pushing the cart out of the way. The robot continues on. Or the operator calls out, "Hey! Can somebody move this luggage cart?" The person responsible hears this, comes out, and moves the cart.

      Of course, the next thing we run into is the automated luggage cart that blocks the robot and the robot that blocks the luggage cart...

  15. Robots have it easy by Megahard · · Score: 1

    Wish there was a service I could call when I get in a jam.

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  16. Re:Sounds like my perfect job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Creimertard. Mod down.

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  18. Intellectually satisfying? by rnturn · · Score: 1

    Well... no. But hotel owners wouldn't care about that.

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  19. privacy be damned, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    so if my domestic butler-bot can't figure out how to get the dog outside, some dude in a foreign country might remote pilot it around my house?

    haha! nope.

  20. Re:Sounds like my perfect job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But when will you have time while gorging yourself at buffets all over town?

  21. Re:Sounds like my perfect job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Must be sad being the only creimertard left on Slashdot. Maybe you should get a Google certificate and do something better with your life?

  22. help the robot, asshole by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Roko's Basilisk reserves a special place in cyber-heaven for people that help robots. They will get a break from torture every Tuesday. Waaaay better than what those cyber-mule bulliers over at Boston Dynamics are gonna get.

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  23. Old joke by LQ · · Score: 2

    Our new robot-run factory employs just one human and a dog.
    What does the human do?
    He feeds the dog.
    What is the dog for?
    To stop the human interfering with the robots.

  24. Re:Sounds like my perfect job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ROFL thinking every AC is creimertard.

    What could be better than studying the last living member of your species? The North American Toothless IT Sasquatch is going extinct because they don't reproduce in captivity.

    Although to be fair, they don't do so great in their natural environment either...

  25. Will not work for cars or airplanes due to lag tim by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Will not work for cars or airplanes due to lag time and lack of a good network link (bandwidth for multi camera live video + low lag) all the time.

  26. Nice to know by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    That soon there will also be clueless robots calling the help-desk.

    So it won't be long until we will be asked as first question when we call:

    "Are you a human or a robot?"

    and the second one will be:

    "Are you sure?"

  27. Joshua what are you doing by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Joshua what are you doing.

    we need to keep men in the loop!

  28. The whole premise sounds dated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    David Poole, CEO consultant, says the operators will be "mostly offshore", but that sounds like turn-of-the-millennium thinking. As American workers continue to be impoverished, in the global "race to the bottom" for labour markets, it will be unnecessary to look for "offshore" workers, or set up offshore remote-operation facilities. Soon, American workers will be just as cheap as workers in India or Asia, and they can double as the onsite service people. Thanks, neoliberalism.

  29. Re:Sounds like my perfect job... by HiThere · · Score: 1

    Actually, robots can still get into a great deal of trouble. But this is more like "How long can we expect the customer to wait for service?". The example problems described aren't really problems for the robot, they're problems for the person asking for service...and people are often very unhappy about unreasonable wait times.

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  30. mandatory Bennis Quote... by ricky_charlet · · Score: 1

    "The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment." Warren Bennis

  31. Factory of the Future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Due to robots/automation the factory of the future will be manned by only one man and his dog.

    The man is there to feed the dog.

    The dog is there to make sure the man doesn't touch anything.

  32. Where can I sign up fo rthis? by X!0mbarg · · Score: 1

    Is there a place that's hiring for in-house robot assistant?
    Does it have support of on-call code modification, so that real life situations can be added to the 'bots code base, and reduce the amount of intervention needed?

    Sign me up? Those co-workers will be a lot less troublesome that flesh-and-blood ones!

  33. Re:Sounds like my perfect job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aren't you legally prohibited from working as a babysitter?

  34. Re:Will not work for cars or airplanes due to lag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wrong. Rolls Royce monitor the performance of all their engines in real-time as they're flying over satellite links. They're able to both recognise when there's a problem before the pilots and notify them, and tune the engine to make corrections while it is in the air. It also means that if there's a problem they can arrange for a replacement part to be waiting at the destination airport (or at least already on the way) to minimise the plane's downtime. P&W do the same.

    There's actually quite a lot of bandwidth available to them, even latency isn't as bad as it used to be; and live video might not be necessary if sensor data is sufficient.

    Scaling that up to every car on the road might be a little too much though - the network might have enough bandwidth for every plane in the air but there are several orders of magnitude more cars.

  35. babysitting by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    I'm not saying this would be a GOOD job, but the summary (I only read the summary) seems to be way more sarcastic than I'd put it.

    Of course at first humans are "babysitting" them. Don't you think many of the people at modern car plants are essentially "babysitting" the robots/machinery actually doing tons of the work to build cars?

    Heck, you could even compare it to driving a car.. You no longer have to turn over the engine with a crank at the front. Not exactly related but this also made me think of a recent Adam Carolla episode I was listening to today. Either his or his guest's kid was seriously surprised by scenes from the 1970s movies of cars not being able to start.

    As things in the factories, or driving cars, get better, you need less and less of the babysitting..

  36. Re:Sounds like my perfect job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only for humans. He can still babysit sasquatches.