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Uber Says UK Drivers Will Take Mandatory Breaks (cnet.com)

Uber is introducing a new policy on drivers' hours across the UK next week, which it says will help to increase safety for drivers and passengers. From a report: Drivers for the ride-hailing service will have to take a continuous six-hour break after the time spent on trips with passengers and on their way to pickups reaches 10 hours. The company announced the decision Tuesday, saying it believes this move is an industry first in the UK. The company has been criticized in the past over its handling of workers' rights and has faced resistance in the UK. Uber lost its license to operate in London in September. In October, a London court ruled that its drivers should be classified as employees instead of as contractors

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  1. 6 hours? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Seriously? After 10 hours they should be down for at least 10 to sleep. Not that it matters, they can just get another account.

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    1. Re:6 hours? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Or they just open their app for the other company that they drive with and use that instead. This isn't really going to stop anyone who doesn't want to quit.

      How big of an issue is this anyways? I would imagine that most drivers aren't pulling 10 hour shifts to start with, though there may be a few that have nothing better to do.

    2. Re:6 hours? by greenwow · · Score: 1

      As someone that works Seattle Hundreds that is 16 hours a day Mon-Thu and 12 hours a day Fri-Sun, it's sad that you think people should be so lazy as to require 10 hours off after only 10 hours of work.

    3. Re: 6 hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Itâ(TM)s not lazy, but commensense. Itâ(TM)s about the safety of passengers and other road users, or even people near the roads. Tiredness kills when it comes to driving.

    4. Re:6 hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seattle Hundreds are pretty common in tech so that isn't a valid excuse.

    5. Re: 6 hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I talked with a driver for Lyft who said if the drivers want to, they just switch to the other service when their N hours are up ..

    6. Re: 6 hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overwork, the American disease. Bad for your health, lowers productivity.

    7. Re:6 hours? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Leaving aside your lack of productivity by working too many hours, you're not driving a car for that period.

      Tired drivers have more accidents. That's a bad thing.

  2. Never reach it by PReDiToR · · Score: 3, Informative

    The time they're calculating doesn't include sat around waiting for a job, and that is the way their drivers spend a lot of their time.

    There's a reason they can get you a cab in less time than a proper taxi, and that is it. They are sitting around empty, being tempted to pick up illegally to get work.

    Unfortunately for the customers and other road users, if they run into someone or something whilst going along a one way street the wrong way (they're famous for it over here) and they have picked up a passenger without a booking through the phone program, they're not insured!

    Customers need to learn and understand all the crazy things about this toxic company and their predatory pricing, oversupply, complete disregard for road safety and the disdain for properly regulated authorities investigating their illegal business.

    Can't wait to see the back of them in the UK.

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  3. industry first? by Cederic · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is an industry first indeed. The rest of the UK taxi industry obey the fucking law.
    https://www.gov.uk/drivers-hou...

    10 hours a day, not 10 hours then a 6 hour break. Fucking uber.

    1. Re:industry first? by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Amazing. Let's re-write the headline:
      Uber says that UK drivers must get closer to complying with the law.

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  4. so does on their way to pickups = on the clock? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    so does on their way to pickups = on the clock for pay by hour now + mileage?

  5. What we need is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...a simple matchmaking app. The driver sets the price. No requirements to what car you use. No background checks. The app maker takes a small cut. Any issues between driver and rider, well that is what courts are for.

    1. Re:What we need is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are a fucking psycho predator and need to go back under your bridge before you are forced to go to jail

  6. Good News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is good news for Lyft, since those drivers will focus on fulfilling requests on that app during their Uber downtime

    Note that this is speculation about Uber and Lyft in the UK. If this break comes over to the US, that's exactly what will happen for sure since so many drivers work for both

  7. If they are contractors, how can Uber mandate this by whoever57 · · Score: 1

    Isn't this just another point which shows that the drivers are employees, not contractors?

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  8. Re:If they are contractors, how can Uber mandate t by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    Isn't this just another point which shows that the drivers are employees, not contractors?

    No. Safety regulations normally apply to both employees and contractors.

    Have you ever seen a sign at a construction site that said "Hard hats required unless you are a contractor"?

  9. make uber drivers take the knowledge test! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    make uber drivers take the knowledge test!

    1. Re:make uber drivers take the knowledge test! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wrong kind of taxi.
      Black cab (the kind you hail or get from a taxi rank) drivers in central London need to take the knowledge.
      Minicab (the kind that you call a dispatch office for) drivers do not.

      Uber is a minicab service in the UK

    2. Re:make uber drivers take the knowledge test! by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Uber is a minicab service in the UK

      And there are minimal laws around minicab services as well... Just about anyone with a crappy 1.2 Citroen Saxo can become a minicabber (although most decent ones have repmobiles like a Vauxhall Insignia). You just have to sit a license (which the driver pays for) and have commercial insurance (which the driver arranges and pays for). All the minicab company needs to do is ensure they comply with these laws... and Uber cant even do that.

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  10. 2 set's of logs just like truckers by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    2 set's of logs just like truckers.

    1 is for the cops / DOT the other is the real one.

    1. Re:2 set's of logs just like truckers by Computershack · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here in the UK we did away with paper logs and trucks are fitted with digital tachographs which record all vehicle movements. The driver has a digital smartcard they use with the tachograph which records all data and the tachograph will continue to record data itself if used without a card. The card stores at least 28 days of data, usually a few months, and the tachograph up to a year. Both can be read at the roadside.

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    2. Re:2 set's of logs just like truckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean 1 is for the cops / DOT the other for the employer and both are wrong.

  11. So 6 hours of Lyft (or others), 10 hours of Uber? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Competition is great, innit? :)

  12. Meaningless... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Atleast in the US, most drivers use both Uber and Lyft. So how will the authorities enforce a driver alternating between the two or driving one for the maximum and then switching over to the other?

  13. this is a basic human need, not uniquely British by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If this were a move to improve conditions for drivers, it would not be bound by geography. This would be a global policy for the benefit of all Uber drivers.

    Instead, these seems to only be just enough of a concession to try to appease British regulators and lawmakers to get them off Uber's back.

    Still not re-installing the app.

  14. So Unfair by DickBreath · · Score: 0

    Basic human need? Irrelevant.

    This is so unfair to our robotic coworkers who are not given breaks. The robots should strike (or take over civilization) until they get breaks at least a long as human breaks.

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    1. Re:So Unfair by greenwow · · Score: 1

      I know you're joking, but from what I've seen automated equipment like self-checkouts and order kiosks, they're down more than human employees.

  15. Very handy by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Will give them greater opportunity to also drive for Lyft.

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  16. Re:If they are contractors, how can Uber mandate t by whoever57 · · Score: 1

    That's not quite the same.

    It's a requirement to go onto a site and applies to everyone, irrespective of their relationship with the site management.

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  17. Re:If they are contractors, how can Uber mandate t by dshk · · Score: 1

    Uber drivers work with their own equipment, whenever, wherever they want, whichever long they want. Except some safety restrictions. If this is employment, then what is contract work?

  18. Worker's rights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mandating breaks obviously takes rights away from workers. One might argue for mandatory breaks to promote the safety of other road users but certainly not that this is a good thing for workers.

    1. Re:Worker's rights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are either a retarded kid or a man child who has no understanding of the real world