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You Could Soon Be Manufacturing Your Own Drugs -- Thanks To 3D Printing (sciencemag.org)

sciencehabit shares a report from Science Magazine: Forget those long lines at the pharmacy: Someday soon, you might be making your own medicines at home. That's because researchers have tailored a 3D printer to synthesize pharmaceuticals and other chemicals from simple, widely available starting compounds fed into a series of water bottle -- size reactors. The work, they say, could digitize chemistry, allowing users to synthesize almost any compound anywhere in the world.

In today's issue of Science, Leroy Cronin, a chemist at the University of Glasgow in the United Kingdom, and his colleagues report printing a series of interconnected reaction vessels that carry out four different chemical reactions involving 12 separate steps, from filtering to evaporating different solutions. By adding different reagents and solvents at the right times and in a precise order, they were able to convert simple, widely available starting compounds into a muscle relaxant called baclofen. And by designing reactionware to carry out different chemical reactions with different reagents, they produced other medicines, including an anticonvulsant and a drug to fight ulcers and acid reflux. So why not just buy a reactionware kit and scrap the printing? "This approach will allow the on-demand production of chemicals and drugs that are in short supply, hard to make at big facilities, and allow customization to tailor them to the application," Cronin says.

97 comments

  1. Uhm... No? by Cyberax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's not going to be a generic 3D "molecular printer" for a long, long time. For one thing, lots of interesting reactions require special conditions that won't sit well with generic "3D printing" stuff: heat, catalysts, pressure, nasty precursors.

    1. Re:Uhm... No? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If everyone was a debbie downer we would never get *anywhere* with science & progress.

      "Failure is success in progress."

      You need an even balance of optimism and pessimism in research.

    2. Re:Uhm... No? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      I can see something like this being bought and used by hospitals, but I don't think we're going to see such devices in homes in our lifetime, if ever.

      There was an article in the NYT about hospitals getting together to get into the generic drug manufacturing business. I think that's a great idea for lowering costs.

    3. Re:Uhm... No? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you even read the summary? It's about printing purposed designed equipment to carry out specific reactions in an easy/efficient manner.

      Getting the stock for many drugs is easy, carrying out the reaction is hard. This alleviates the difficulty and can perhaps be done where the drugs are needed most or at a local level so organisations don't need to keep huge stockpiles of un-expired drugs in case of emergency.

    4. Re:Uhm... No? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      I can see something like this being bought and used by hospitals, but I don't think we're going to see such devices in homes in our lifetime, if ever.

      Especially if the pharma lobby has its way. They will not be too thrilled bout having this tech in hospitals either.

    5. Re:Uhm... No? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And even if there were any, they would be banned for personal use.

    6. Re:Uhm... No? by vtcodger · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's not going to be a generic 3D "molecular printer" for a long, long time.

      Quite possibly true, but this looks to be 3D-print your own meth LAB, not 3D-print your own methamphetamine.

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    7. Re: Uhm... No? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you start with the premise that failure is inevitable, people do not try. Success is achieved by the pattern: hypothesize a scenario for success, try, fail, try again with an altered hypothesis, eventually succeed. BUT, all those attempts along the way would not have been attempted if there were no confidence the idea could work.

    8. Re:Uhm... No? by vtcodger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Especially if the pharma lobby has its way. They will not be too thrilled bout having this tech in hospitals either.

      Safe bet. This stuff will be patented, will require years of testing, FDA approval, a maintenance contract, an internet connection, and will cost a fortune -- in the US anyway. It'll be sold by big pharma, not fought by big pharma.

      If it does turn out to be cheap, easy and effective, you'll probably have to smuggle your equipment into the US from China, Cuba ... or Botswana or buy it from some dude who hangs out at a decrepit bowling alley in bad part of town..

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    9. Re:Uhm... No? by Rei · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not as interesting as what I though it was going to be about. I'd like to see a series of a dozen or two small, high-temperature-capable reaction vessels (some glass, some platinum-coated steel), each with its own temperature and pressure regulation hardware, and self-reconfiguring plumbing fixtures attached to it (gas/liquid multiplexers). Some vessels would come with common catalyst packs in them (platinum, vanadium oxide, iron, etc), some capable of maintaining a temperature gradient for distillation, some for gas-liquid exchange, some with stirring hardware or an auger to remove precipitates, one with electrodes for electrolysis, etc. A couple heat exchangers also would be nice (potentially the same hardware as the MUXes), as well as a the obligate pump(s) and compressor(s). And of course you need hoppers for solid feedstocks, feed lines for liquids and gases, etc. A nice touch would be if one or more XYZ-axis arms could move between different feedstocks and/or containers for finished products.

      Something like that, where the vessels remain constant but the lines between them reconfigure based on software inputs, would be amazing. Doesn't need to be large - even a desk-sized unit would be very useful. And such a thing would be invaluable for space applications, too; it's one thing to set up offworld production of certain largescale feedstocks, but a whole different thing to try to set up production of every chemical we use as a society, and in particular those needed to keep your industrial processes going. Small-scale batch synthesis is an option, but that requires human labour, and humans leave a massive trail of required consumables in their wake. Automated lab synthesis, however...

      But as for this? I don't see the point of the 3d printer. They're just printing a bunch of simply interconnected vessels and then manually doing a series of reactions in them.

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    10. Re:Uhm... No? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, what about atomic force microscope? Allegedly, you could assemble a fixture from atoms on a uniformly flat monoatomic layer sheet of inert atoms (e.g. gold), and then place selected atoms upon the fixture to assume positions in intermediate target molecule structure. Admittedly, it won't solve all the problems (folding large organic chemistry molecule structures), but it is a start. Nanostructures are a la cart catalysts of tomorrow.

      Or, you can do without soko-ban with atoms and instead design a protein nano machine to do your bidding, and compile a RNA script for a ribosome to make it. However, right now we can do this only with (designer) bacteria or other single-cell organsims, which is messy. Still no industrial size "artificial glands", where nano-factory cells stay in line, have low upkeep, are fed simply, and won't fall prey to germs. For that we need to invent ordinary-life-incompatible life forms, that no other known life form on Earth can easily recycle, hijack, hitch a ride on, pirate its genome and let it loose in the wild, or push out and take its meal. And of course, these little kritters must be resistant to whatever they will be producing.

      Either way, molecular printing is just around corner, but the trouble is scaling. You can get minuscule amounts of molecules, and ramping production up to useful size batches is orders of orders of magnitude away.

    11. Re:Uhm... No? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Getting the stock for many drugs is easy, carrying out the reaction is hard.

      Let's go shopping!

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    12. Re:Uhm... No? by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

      At first i was thinking along those lines, and also...if i can legally buy t the precursors to feed the machine, then with a little chemistry knowledge, what do I need the 3D printer for at all?

      But if this is building (printing) the molecules one at a time, those nasty precursors don't ever have to exist and there's no chemical reaction involved. so you won't need heat, pressure,, or catalysts.

      Then I realized that this is sci-fi, there's no way to really discuss what its limitations would be or how it would work because the tech doesn't exist.

    13. Re:Uhm... No? by methano · · Score: 1

      Agreed. This article is about someone grabbing a bunch of current topics (3D printing, high drug prices, etc.) and shoving them together in an article to get some press. Anybody (?) can make drugs now at home. All they need is a little knowledge, some equipment and some reagents and starting materials. This guy has used 3D printing to make some crappy versions of equipment and he happens to have the other things on hand. If you could easily build little machines for on-site drug synthesis, you wouldn't make them using a 3D printer. You'd probably have some glass components.

      This is like using an Arduino to control the temperature of a petri dish and claiming you're using AI to create life.

      I'm betting this guy is British. They're so much better at imagining the obvious and getting credit for brilliance.

    14. Re: Uhm... No? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly this.

      Well, with one caveat. It'll be more likely to give you a lab that'll produce meth of questionable purity, quality, and consistency. So more like a print your own crank lab.

    15. Re:Uhm... No? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      They'll be fine with it, as long as it is "features" a sealed and encrypted software image that reads their sealed, encrypted, DRM'd licensed recipes for making their drugs.

      Why wouldn't they want to distribute the manufacturing for recurring license fees, in addition to selling the equivalent of ink-jet cartridges of chemical precursors? That's a god damn gold mine - even more than making the pills themselves.

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    16. Re:Uhm... No? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      I'm thinking this would be a "hit" with the more recreational crowd....

      Push Button MDMA synthesis.....??

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    17. Re:Uhm... No? by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      There's not going to be a generic 3D "molecular printer" for a long, long time. For one thing, lots of interesting reactions require special conditions that won't sit well with generic "3D printing" stuff: heat, catalysts, pressure, nasty precursors.

      As someone who tried to DIY a molecular printer/synthesis machine about a decade ago, the concepts are easy and the gear is proven (Hell, you don't need the 3D printer aspect, you can make all the components out of borosilicate tubing and some scrap electronics like heater elements, thermoelectric coolers, and parts from Digikey.) The issue comes from two parts:

      • Reactions: you have to have all the reactions pre-planned, data would be a huge help in this area because as it stands chemical reactions don't exist in a uniformly formatted database which is easy to handle (e.g. you have x inputs, you want y output, figure out how to make it happen - if you have the data is merely a simple pathfinding algorithm, if you lack the data it's a doctorate in chemistry and years of work for every reaction in your decide with all it's little quirks.
      • Cleaning: this is the bigger issue, because even someone without formal chemistry training but with enough focus can import known synthesis procedures into the software driving the device (I did it a decade ago for a half dozen different complex organic compounds while testing.) Chemistry labware is an unholy mother fucker to clean after certain reactions, especially when you can't agitate the glassware with solvents in it and use obscene amounts of solvent. This means you have to either flush your single-digit-milliliter glassware with liters of solvent specific to the reaction you're flushing out to ensure there's no residue left before the next completely unrelated reaction or you have to stick the whole contraption on a high power shaker (remember, it's all a bunch of super tiny components because it has to fit in a space about the size of a refrigerator while encompassing all organic chem reactions to be useful - you're talking about reaction vessels on the order of 10mL at most with all the supporting hardware like microliter autosyringes attached, which themselves are pretty delicate and have to be subjected to the aforementioned shaker or liters of solvents.) Cleaning is a pain in an actual organic chem setting, when you're talking about a fully autonomous printer it is absurdly obtuse.
    18. Re:Uhm... No? by EndlessNameless · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe you should just stay positive instead.

      There is a difference between positivity and the foolish optimism born from ignorance. OP was right in saying that general-purpose "molecular printing" is very, very far from being available.

      This isn't even a prototype of such a device---it was a one-off proof of concept with a specific target. If you can't even criticize the reasons for his claim, then maybe you should keep your mouth shut about his opinion.

      If they come to fruition, the first generation of molecular printers will likely have a limited use case, much like 3D printers. The headline is misleading at best, and that's not even accounting for the patent and regulatory issues related to drug production.

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    19. Re: Uhm... No? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Sure, but you need to start with a worthwhile project.

      Currently ChemEs generally prototype 'in glass' before making production versions 'in stainless'. Prototyping in PLA _isn't_ an improvement.

      Making drugs in your bathtub isn't a great idea to begin with. As others have pointed out, printing a tweak lab is just dumb.

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    20. Re:Uhm... No? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep -- bathsalts 3.0

    21. Re:Uhm... No? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "For one thing, lots of interesting reactions require special conditions that won't sit well with generic "3D printing" stuff: heat, catalysts, pressure, nasty precursors."

      So only rich nightclubs will have one in the back room and only the Cartels will build them under the washing factories.

  2. What could possibly go wrong? by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    People already manufacture their own drugs at home, these homes are generally referred to as "meth labs"...

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    1. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      But this could finally lead to cleaner AND cheaper meth! Just think about it, no longer buying stuff adulterated with god-knows-what, just pure dope.

      Finally MDMA worth the name again, it will be like the 90s never ended.

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    2. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      People already manufacture their own drugs at home, these homes are generally referred to as "meth labs"...

      Yeah.... when this becomes feasible; the manufacturers of these systems are going to have to tread very lightly and implement strong security measures in the software to prevent synthesizing prohibited chemicals Or controlled medications without a prescription or in excess of prescribed QTY or face government regulation; i'm sure.

    3. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Funny

      But this could finally lead to cleaner AND cheaper meth!

      And it would be blue.

    4. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      Don’t want to pop your bubble but MDMA is pretty complicated process to synthesize. Very simple to find in google.

    5. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by fabriciom · · Score: 1

      Government heavily controls the base materials and equipment needed for illegal drugs manufacturing. I think this would be another crypto situation where they just won’t be able to do jack shit on the user’s end. Except making them illegal some how.

    6. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Provided the precursors are available, it is fairly easy. At least easier than LSD-25.

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    7. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

      Blue meth is so 5 years ago. When i get the printer, my meth is going to be red. Yeah, red meth is the future. Blue is for people living in the past.

    8. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Blue meth is so 5 years ago. When i get the printer, my meth is going to be red. Yeah, red meth is the future. Blue is for people living in the past.

      Red? Damn are you out of touch.

      According to the Starbucks generation, your meth fucking better be organic, gluten free, unicorn colored, and taste like pumpkin spice.

    9. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally MDMA worth the name again, it will be like the 90s never ended.

      MDMA? Make Drugs Magical Again?

    10. Re: What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I took the blue pill.

    11. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My first thought: you'd be able to print things that make you happy. But we can't have that: without that nagging sense of unhappiness and discontent people would stop the ceaseless, pointless striving for "the next thing that will make me happy" and the economy would collapse. So no, even if the tech is real, it will be severely restricted.

    12. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Any software controls will be quickly circumvented, like all forms of DRM...

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    13. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by mmdurrant · · Score: 1

      The precursors are the hardest part of LSD-25. A person could always "dispose" of ergotamine tartrate in their university lab, but I wouldn't recommend it.

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  3. What about LSD and opium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What if people start making drugs that make them happy? We can't allow that - the 'government' said so!

    1. Re:What about LSD and opium? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If the postings on /. are any indicator, the average person poops on anything the governments wants or says anyway, so why should this suddenly have any meaning?

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    2. Re:What about LSD and opium? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Well, I mean, there is jail time...

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  4. Neat, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...yeah, this doesn't have any possibilities for abuse at ALL...

    1. Re:Neat, but... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It does. Some asshole could come up with a new variant of MMS or some other bullshit that kills people while claiming to be a miracle cure.

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    2. Re:Neat, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no way it could handle a complex synthesis. And it is almost certain to produce toxic by-products with no way to remove them.

      Might as well just drink bleach.

    3. Re:Neat, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some asshole could come up with a new variant of MMS or some other bullshit that kills people while claiming to be a miracle cure.

      But if you're being fair, that isn't exclusive to this new process at all.
      After all how much does it cost right now for a nice set of lab glassware? More than this 3D printer assembly?

      If some asshole wanted to make something like you describe, there is frighteningly little to stop them right now.
      And I would dare say that until the day this 3D printing method lowers the cost to under a couple hundred bucks, it will still be cheaper to do it the old fashion way.

    4. Re:Neat, but... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But right now it's easy to show that it's just an attempt to make a quick buck with gullible and desperate people. You can point to the ingredients, show that they cost about a hundredth of what the stuff is then sold by the quacks and immediately the "the pharma industry just wants to sell you expensive crap" is out the window with a simple pot and kettle comparison.

      With that whole 3D setup, you get to hear "but muh superspecialawesome machines!"

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    5. Re:Neat, but... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      What your looking for isn't a 'nice set of glassware', it's a Journeyman (or better) lab glass blower.

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    6. Re:Neat, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some asshole could come up with a new variant of MMS or some other bullshit that kills people

      So? Isn't the basic problem with "the war on drugs" that it interferes with natural selection, degrading the human gene pool?

  5. Even without 3D printers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can actually manufacture drugs yourself right now.

    1. Re:Even without 3D printers by TheReaperD · · Score: 1

      Yes, but right now, it requires specialized equipment and skill. Not something commonly available. Plus, right now, many of the chemicals will get you on a DEA watchlist. If this is normalized, the chemicals will become commonplace. However, if they turn out to actually work, the pharmaceutical industry will shut it down. Most likely by paying their pet congressmen to make them illegal because they could make undesirable substances.

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    2. Re:Even without 3D printers by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I think it's a pretty safe bet that this stuff is never going to be commonly available... or at least never available so long as we have the kind of society that we do now. If for no other reason than that the powers that be would not permit the selling of devices that can produce arbitrary drugs to invididuals, but only to reputable health and/or drug organizations.

      For fuck's sake.... you can't even get a decent chemistry set anymore because of the paranoia about what people will do with them. You think they'd ever let a device that can produce *arbitrary* substances into people's private homes?

  6. Market Interference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As grandiose an idea as this is - and not a bad one either - this isn't likely to happen, most especially not in the USA.

    Companies like GSK are going to fight this tooth and nail - not only in 31 different flavors of court cases, but through threats, blackmail, legislation, and if pushed hard enough by calling down deadly raids of what may as well be considered now a private military thanks to sociopaths like Jeff Sessions' DOJ.

    There is no damn chance that massive corporations raking in hundreds of billions a year in profit would not go to any lengths to prevent this.

  7. Oh for fucks sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is not fucking 3-D printing buzzword bullshit. And it is not new. And there are plenty of manufacturers of purpose built equipment for this sort of thing tha make much more sense than adapting a garage toy.

    http://www.gilson.com/en/GilsonProducts/AutomatedSystems.aspx

    https://www.agilent.com/en-us/products/automation-solutions

    But you're still going to need purification, assay and QA. (You'll need high pressure liquid chromatographs, gas chromatographs, mass spectrometers...)

    No, you can't make drugs at home without a proper lab.

    1. Re:Oh for fucks sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you can't make drugs at home without a proper lab

      And a proper RV.
      And an assistant.
      And Saul, of course.

      And those people knocking on the door aren't Seventh Day folks, nor Mormons.

    2. Re:Oh for fucks sake... by coofercat · · Score: 1

      in the short term, we'll not be seeing any of this anywhere at all.

      In the medium term, we can expect that some part of the drug manufacturing process will include "3d printing" (ie. a machine that does some clever mixing/reacting or whatever, probably nothing like an actual 3D printer).

      In the long term, I expect we'll see a variety of common drugs being made at the pharmacist on demand (a bit like you buy Dulux paint nowadays - they send the constituent colours to the store, who mix them (quite precisely) on demand). It won't do all drugs - definitely not any of the super-expensive specialist ones, but you might get headache pills or cough/cold medicine this way. That'll be quite cool because the shelf-life starts the day you buy them, not some time in the past when they were made hundreds or thousands of miles away.

      In the very distant future, there'll be a machine which can make any drug on demand, using nothing but a hopper full of special pellets. It'll also be able to make drinks and food, and quite probably diamond rings too. I suspect my kids won't be around long enough to see that happening, but they might see some of the above.

    3. Re:Oh for fucks sake... by Bright+Apollo · · Score: 1

      +1 informative and insightful. How do you passivate the vessels and all the lines? How do you calibrate instrumentation to guard against under/overdosing?

      I could see this revolutionizing test labs for quick plant startups of lines, and maybe even small contract labs attached to regional hospitals for just-in-time production. I can't see this as a home kit. This isn't seltzer water.

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    4. Re:Oh for fucks sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you can't make drugs at home without a proper lab.

      Wrong. You're doing it all day long. Even while sleeping. Three cheers for the human body!

    5. Re:Oh for fucks sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh... people make drugs at home all the time.

  8. nothing to see here folks, move along. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is someone drumming on about the potential outcome of their work - if only they are given sufficient funding. GTFO.

  9. Some people's naiveness has no limits by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 2

    Anyone could certainly create any drug or good available in the market, but this is impractical for many reasons like price, raw material availability, usual low flexibility of manufacturing processes, etc. to not mention other issues like patents or even legal prohibitions.

    This reminds me the time when I jokily said to some (extremely naive, detached-from-reality) people that I was planning to create a company to sell drugs. The most surprising bit wasn't they blindly believing such a nonsense, but seriously thinking that that scenario could occur at all. I mean people whose knowledge about something mostly consist in extrapolating the few ideas they have from sources like movies or out-of-context news. I guess that everyone is a bit like this at some point and for different reasons. Properly-speaking people learn from their errors and accept the limitations of their knowledge. In-denial souls/true suckers/fanatics blindly stick to their distorted perception of reality and even use it as starting step to come up with further nonsensical ideas.

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  10. If it were this easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... evil people would manufacture poisons and explosives with it.

    As someone already pointed out, many chemicals simply cannot be made "from scratch" in "room temperature, room pressure" environments.

  11. Software / Hardware Glitches Consequential by rally2xs · · Score: 3, Informative

    The main difference between medicine and poison is dosage. My blood thinner is actually a low-dose rat poison. Have some software or hardware malfunction and screw up the dosage, and things could get really serious. Sooo... no thanks...

    1. Re:Software / Hardware Glitches Consequential by zenasprime · · Score: 3, Informative

      Perhaps you don't realize this but medical errors are big problem in healthcare and negative patient outcomes are more significant that you may think... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

    2. Re:Software / Hardware Glitches Consequential by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      So your argument is that because doctors/pharmacies sometimes make mistakes and prescribe/dispense the wrong dose, there's no harm in a manufacturing process that may or may not result in the dosage specified by the vast majority of correct prescriptions? You can't be serious.

    3. Re:Software / Hardware Glitches Consequential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The main difference between medicine and poison is dosage. My blood thinner is actually a low-dose rat poison. Have some software or hardware malfunction and screw up the dosage, and things could get really serious. Sooo... no thanks...

      But dosage is measured out of the end-resulting product, not during manufacturing.

      I would be willing to bet if you went to the place they make your blood thinner right now using the old fashion method, and you simply started guzzling the entire vat down, that would kill you just the same.

      The manufacturer takes that massive bulk vat of output medicine and measures out dosages from it.

      3D printing your own "glassware" is identical, excepting that the output "vat" is the size of a drinking glass in your cabinet instead of the massive multi-hundred gallon vats your medicine is currently produced in.

      That's not to say guzzling down an entire drinking glass of raw medicine wouldn't equally kill you as guzzling down hundreds of gallons, just that neither manufacturing method (this one, or the currently used ones) handle this.

      In fact the 3D printer method would be much safer, as it doesn't even HAVE a dosage measurement component.
      Your current manufacturer no doubt does take the raw medicine out of the vat and put it into another machine to measure out doses.
      If anything, it will be that machine that screws up.

      Which again isn't to say measuring by hand can't be screwed up just as badly, but you can't very well blame that on a machine.

  12. Not magic technology by sjbe · · Score: 2

    3D printing is awesome tech and will have tremendous utility but too many people are treating it like its some sort of magical-do-anything technology. Could it someday "print" something as sophisticated as a drug on a commercial basis? Sure, maybe. Many many years from now. As it stands we are a long way from that. It probably won't actually be what we think of as a 3D printer unless you use such a generic definition of the term as to render it almost meaningless. Think about it - how is a molecule really 3D from a macroscopic point of view? Yes it isn't technically flat but it's about as close as you can get to being literally 2D. It's kind of like how people lately are throwing around the term AI for any clever computer system even when the term doesn't really fit.

    My day job is running a manufacturing company and I've got direct experience working with 3D printing in a prototyping lab from a previous day job. I've worked with some of the large Stratasys machines making plastic parts and a machine that did sintered metals too. There are a few important limitations on 3D printing the most important of which are economic rather than technical:

    1) It is slow to make most items. In most circumstances 3D printing takes a LOT longer than most other manufacturing processes.
    2) It is hard to make something with mixed materials. Not impossible and there is progress but don't mistake one for a Star Trek replicator.
    3) 3D printing is typically VERY expensive on a unit cost basis for most items compared with other manufacturing techniques even including distribution costs once you get above very small volumes. This is the most important limitation.
    4) 3D printed parts typically require some amount of manufacturing even after leaving the printer to become useful.

    Now 3D printing will get faster and the technology will improve - probably quite a lot. But for economic reasons it's probably never going to see much use for mass production within the lifetime of anyone who reads this. It's primary utility will be for items that cannot be economically made and distributed in small quantities - which is still a very substantial market. Prototypes, rare/obsolete parts, very small production runs, custom parts, etc. It also will have utility in places where distribution is problematic. Think Antarctica in winter or in space where resupply is tough to impossible.

  13. It's not a 3d printer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a desktop chemical reactor, probably the same one made by four thieves vinegar.

    1. Re:It's not a 3d printer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong Coward retracting previous statement. It is a 3d printer printing one-off custom drug reactors. The desktop reactor designed by four thieves vinegar is a diy effort using off the shelf parts to make synthesizing any drug easy and cheap for the masses.

    2. Re:It's not a 3d printer... by Mindragon · · Score: 1

      Four Thieves Vinegar's Warrant Canary has not been updated...

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  14. Pharma Lobby by DrYak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They will not be too thrilled bout having this tech in hospitals either.

    Hospitals (specially those with a university nearby) (and in theory even pharmacy stores too - though in my limited US experience these seem to have been replaced by some type of supermarket that happen to sell a bit of medications too) already have small labs that can produce a limited amount of medication.

    Such "lab-in-a-kit" approach could only be expanding a bit the kind of stuff they can produce locally.
    (Or in the case of hospital-with-a-university-lab-within-reach, reducing the time to bring the medication for the simpler molecule that are within reach of the "lab-in-a-kit" and don't require the full university lab).

    In these contexts, it's not much a big change, and probably won't register on the pharma's radar.

    but I don't think we're going to see such devices in homes in our lifetime, if ever.

    Especially if the pharma lobby has its way.

    You think, so? Nope. On the contrary.
    Home drugs is a giant market, and this is definitely a way to secure a foot in it.
    They'll patent it, run through certification projects (rising costs) and sell it, for a premium.
    THEN SELL THE EXCLUSIVE CONTRACTS to provide the necessary consumable for your home drug synthesizer.

    You though inkjet cartridges were as expensive as if they were filled with unicorn blood ?
    Just wait to see the price the pharma companies are going to charge you for their "Drug-o-tron 3000" cartridge replacements. And as these are used for drugs manufacture, you bet there are doing to be heavy regulations by the FDA preventing you to refill the cartridges yourself. (Much better regulated than the current meager attempts to invoke DMCA regarding small counting chips emebed in inkjet cartridges).

    This partially cures the pharma industries worst nightmare :
    The worst nightmare is not to have any new molecule to sell once your older patents run out, while your competitor manage to put something on the market.
    Suddenly you're the guy left out, not having anything lucrative to sell, and having missed the market the other managed to enter.

    With this kind of "at-home-lab-kits", suddenly it doesn't matter as much. Even if your competitor is the one who lands the patent to sell a new drug, you can still make a chunk of money by selling the exclusive cartridges to the patient so they can fab-at-home it.

    And unlike inkjet cartridges (which have basically used the same type of unicorn blood inside for the past decade), the "fab-a-drug-at-home" technology is bound to evolve over the next decades. Meaning new, freshly patented system requiring new cartridge contract everyfew year (think rebuying your smartphone every 2-3 years, except wich actual physico-chemical justification for newer synth tech).

    Throw in remote data collection, and the insurance companies will happily jump together into the bandwagon.

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    1. Re:Pharma Lobby by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Medications that are still under patent will probably be handled this way as a matter of course, but the biggest fight will be over generic compounds. Legally anyone can manufacture a generic, but in recent years companies have been able to use the glacial FDA approval process for certifying that each newly manufactured generic is bioequivalent to the original to establish a de facto monopoly with ludicrous high prices. This tech breaks that monopoly.

    2. Re:Pharma Lobby by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      You're probably correct that legal barriers will be erected. I'm not sure patent would work for that. If I understand correctly, you are allowed to use patented technology for your own purposes without a license. And you can publically document what you do. But you can't offer any physical product of your work to others.

      However, if patent won't do the job, I'm sure the pharma companies will come up with something that will.

      And I think the issue with "de facto" monopolies is that Congress in it's infinite wisdom authorized actual "de jure" monopolies for some "orphan drugs". The poster child for that nonsense is an ancient gout medication -- Colchicine. See: .http://www.rheumatologynetwork.com/gout/generic-colchicine-victory-one-battle-drug-prices

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    3. Re:Pharma Lobby by Mindragon · · Score: 2

      > You though inkjet cartridges were as expensive as if they were filled with unicorn blood ? Just wait to see the price the pharma companies are going to charge you for their "Drug-o-tron 3000" cartridge replacements.

      Impression Products v. Lexmark http://fortune.com/2017/05/30/...

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    4. Re:Pharma Lobby by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      If I understand correctly, you are allowed to use patented technology for your own purposes without a license.

      You understand incorrectly. Infringement is by "whoever without authority makes, uses, offers to sell, or sells".

    5. Re:Pharma Lobby by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I'm fully aware of the colchicine affair, in which the FDA took a long-standing generic back off the market to give a 7-year monopoly to a small pharma company that promptly raised prices in the same manner as with Daraprim. I think the FDA should be stripped of its power to keep products off the market. Let it manage testing as it does now and issue recommendations on the safety and efficacy of compounds, but let doctors, patients, insurance companies and charities make up their own minds about what they buy. Most of us will keep on buying what the FDA recommends, but the lack of coercion will prevent monopolies in the generic market from forming.

      What I will always fault Trump for is promising to fix this problem, and then doing nothing about it. This, not vague accusations about Russian agents, is the face of corruption.

  15. Hacked firmware. by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

    So...how long will it take for a hacked firmware that prints designer narcotics to hit the street? That's why this tech will never come to fruition.

  16. Now with 3D printers (Drones to follow) by Headw1nd · · Score: 2

    Microscale chemistry has been a thing for a long time now, and it's not all that difficult. If these drugs could be cost-effectively produced in this fashion then they would be. On top of that, I've done a bit of 3D printing, and my faith in the ability of 3D printers to produce complex systems flawlessly every time is nil.

    1. Re:Now with 3D printers (Drones to follow) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weird. Quantum Apostrophe was banned from Fark for making fun of the delusions of 3D printing maniacs.

  17. Calling bullshite by rkordmaa · · Score: 1

    Yeah right, the trick in chemistry is not in mixing stuff together and getting a reaction going, its in separating out the good stuff from the resulting gunk. In a long series of reactions the problem is that you need pure products from previous reactions, but each separation and purification brings a yield penalty with it, so if your processes are not up to snuff then your cumulative yield over the entire process is going to be pretty much zero. And every step of the way you have to make sure you actually got what you wanted, not some crap you didn't. 3D printing reaction vessels doesn't help with any of that.

    1. Re:Calling bullshite by laurencetux · · Score: 1

      and a sidebar to this is sometimes you get an unwanted product that goes BOOM (or gets STINKY or...).

      so if you are "Breaking Bad" don't forget exactly how bad things can get.

  18. Re:Uhm... Yes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the problem you've overlooking here is that certain chemicals are simply not available.

    Like all the precursors for methamphetamines are difficult to acquire, on purpose.

    What will most likely be done first are things that require "compounding" pharmacies currently. Basically drugs that don't get you high at any safe dose, like hormones and insulin. Then things like adrenaline (eg epipen), pain killers (tylenol/ibuprofen), allergy medicines and such.

    The big things like meth, cocaine, acid, etc will always be things where the precusors will be difficult to acquire, if not impossible.

    But at the same time, we're also overlooking another possibility. 3D printed bullets, explosives/gunpowder, and other things that if mixed incorrectly could blow the machine apart.

    Hence, such printers are an inevitable thing, current 3d printers can print guns, but you're not going to equip an army with 3D printed guns that will break after the first few bullets are fired.

    Such is the case of 3D printed medicine, anything dangerous in high quantities will likely only be doable on-site at pharmacies much in the same way we used to do 1-hour photos. You give them a your prescription and they produce it on-site.

    Your at-home printer will not be capable of printing anything lethal until regulations about how to deal with chemicals for it are made. Right now since there isn't any, it falls under the same rules that would apply for a factory, and would require licenses and strict government oversight.

  19. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I doubt we will, just as we aren't manufacturing anything else ourselves. If nothing else, the FDA would stomp all over an idea like this. Speculative journalism is lame, and a lot of nerds need to stop mistaking their personal bubble for the world at large.

  20. Not in my country by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    First, drugs are really cheap here.
    Second, drugs are free for children and young adults.
    Third, any drug-making device would be so very illegal to own.
    Fourth, it would be at the local drug store instead, so we'd never notice the difference.
    Fifth, I'm not going to setup and and control and wait and follow a recipe when I'm ill.
    Sixth, drug delivery is also cheap/free in my city -- for anyone who knows that it always has been.

  21. Cali Cush by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    The weed dispensary where I live delivers. I mean, they actually got a van with a logo and some dude in a polo shirt and white-boy dreadlocks who brings the shit right to your door. I ain't tryna 3D-print some Blueberry Yum Yum sticky bud.

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    1. Re:Cali Cush by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      $10/gram or $500/pound? Dispensaries are for chumps, find someone with a garden and pay untaxed wholesale.

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  22. Breaking Bad 2020 by Zorro · · Score: 1

    Loading Meth.bat....

  23. scale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    do you have any concept of how long it would take to create a pico gram of a substance with an afm?

  24. Alchemy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally, we have figured out how to make gold out of lead.

    It was a long, long road, but we finally did it!

    Congrats!

  25. I've seen this before. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Computer,

    Coffee, black.

  26. You could soon be raided by DEA by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    Expect this technology to become illegal.

  27. Re:Uhm... Yes? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    If you need cold medicine, you can buy some tweak and convert it to ephedrine. There are web sites that cookbook it for you.

    Tweak is readily available in every zip code in the USA. Problem solved.

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  28. Star Trek replicator by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many trekkies came in their pants when they read this?

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  29. People won't have it, but Walgreen's might by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can have this in everyone's home, because the raw materials would cost too much to be practical.... But each Walgreen's and CVS store might, because it would cut down on the inventory each store would need to carry.

  30. we're wining the War on Drugs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    every day!

  31. Glasgow in the UK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a chemist at the University of Glasgow in the United Kingdom

    This is not true. Glasgow is in England, which is a part of Scotland. That's the big Island to the left of the two islands that make up England, the other one (the taller one) is called Wales.

  32. size reactors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know Slashdot refuses to acknowledge the existence of Unicode, but could it at least learn the difference between a hyphen and a dash?

  33. Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks 3D printer now my meth shack is outdated....