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Google CEO Sundar Pichai Says He Does Not Regret Firing James Damore (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Google CEO Sundar Pichai responded today to the firing of employee James Damore over his controversial memo on workplace diversity, stating that while he does not regret the decision, he regrets that people misunderstood it as a politically motivated event. Speaking in a live conversation with journalist and Recode co-founder Kara Swisher, MSNBC host Ari Melber, and YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki in San Francisco, Pichai said that the decision to fire Damore was about ensuring women at Google felt like the company was committed to creating a welcoming environment.

"I regret that people misunderstand that we may have made this for a political belief one way or another," Pichai said. "It's important for the women at Google, and all the people at Google, that we want to make a inclusive environment." When pressed by Swisher on the issue of regret, Pichai stated more definitively, "I don't regret it." Wojcicki, who has spoken publicly about how Damore's memo affected her personally, followed up with, "I think it was the right decision."

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  1. Epic bullshit by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course it was political. How stupid do they think we are?

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    1. Re:Epic bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The majority of people did not read the memo. The actual content of the memo is not sexist, but it is challenging. People would rather round it down to a common category that they can definitively reject with full social support....than put forth the mental effort of understand what he actually said, what he actually meant, and how well-supported it actually is.

      Pointing out to these people that they did not read the memo will not motivate them to read it. And even if it does, when they read it they will just skim it and zoom in on the catch-phrases, missing the actual meaning and instead seeing their own expectations reflected right back at them.

      The ability to stay truly objective, in a domain like this, is rare. Most people simply cannot do it. Nor do they feel the need to try.

    2. Re:Epic bullshit by fafalone · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Just the other day I saw an article complaining about another extremely racist policy: Color-blind assessment. (See here)
      That's a big part of why so many of us on the left aren't thrilled about the progressives are doing... "equality" now means simply switching which groups get preferential treatment, as punishment for past wrongs. It's a completely untenable position. And part of the reason why Trump won... a lot of Democrats just stayed home. Your whole life you advocate for everyone to receive equal treatment, now that makes you a right-wing racist because equal treatment isn't good enough... that alienates people.

  2. Political? Uh, yeah. by GeekBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When facts meet politics, politics win. All it shows is that Google is more concerned about optics than making decisions based on facts.

  3. "welcoming" and engineering do not mesh by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Engineering is hard-core. If you mess up, tons of money is lost and people may die. It is not a role for anybody that needs to be "welcome". It is a role for people that do understand things, see past the bullshit and can get things to work. And also for people that leave when the bullshit gets too much. Of course, any actual engineering set-up worthwhile working for will cherish and treasure its engineers, whether male, female or anything else. It just does not matter. Skill, insight and capability do.

    Of course, most people, like this "CEO" are incapable of seeing this. If they take over, an engineering company becomes a has-been. Because while a good engineer will always find a reasonable job anywhere, these people depend on scamming people out of their money for sub-par performance and after a while, customers wake up to what is going on.

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    1. Re:"welcoming" and engineering do not mesh by gweihir · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And fail. Most of the core activities in good engineering is solitary and can only be done that way. In fact, "designed by committee" is about the most negative thing you can say about an engineering product and that is no accident. The whole "team" nonsense was created by bad engineers that struggle to reach the level of a qualified technician and need the group to hide in. Of course, those then want all that "welcoming" bullshit and "safe spaces" and call every environment where their incompetence is actually called out "toxic".

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  4. Regarding the right to not be offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The thing is that Google firing Damore appears to have been illegal. He was asked to provide feedback, he wrote a memo describing non-discriminatory ways to meet Google's diversity goals, then the memo was leaked and he was hounded in the press and at the workplace. One of the emails in his complaint is from a supervisor at Google threatening him, after all.

    Regarding the broader point, there are philosophical reasons not to have a 'right to not be offended'. The fact that other people were trying to engage in the heckler's veto and make a big fuss to drive out people they disagree with is something that's often being missed her. There are large free speech concerns if people are allowed to silence others by throwing a big enough fuss.

    Google is a hostile workplace--for people like Damore. The toxic people who cannot remain civil in the face of disagreement should be the ones who are removed & punished. Anything else will result in a race to the bottom.

    1. Re:Regarding the right to not be offended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just to illustrate that the other AC is not exaggerating about Google being a hostile workplace, I encourage everyone to read the indictment: https://www.scribd.com/document/368688363/James-Damore-vs-Google-Class-Action-Lawsuit#fullscreen It has lots of quotes, screenshots and other examples how things are handled inside Google. It's absolutely damning.

    2. Re:Regarding the right to not be offended by larryjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The "right to not be offended" is not only not desirable, it must be vigorously opposed because it is impossible to implement for all people. The only way to implement such a right is to selectively decide who gets that right and who does not, which offending actions are sanctioned and which are not. In practice, what this right entails is the imposition of the views of those in power upon the controlled masses, along with the propaganda that such mind control is benevolent, that blessed views are correct, and that opposing views are incorrect.

      There is no difference whether such control is wielded by religions, dictatorships, or corporations. Each believes in its own benevolence and the evilness of those that do not adhere to incontrovertible truths.

    3. Re:Regarding the right to not be offended by WaffleMonster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Google is a hostile workplace--for people like Damore. The toxic people who cannot remain civil in the face of disagreement should be the ones who are removed & punished. Anything else will result in a race to the bottom.

      Isn't this what Google at its very core represents... a race to the bottom? When everything is ad and cyber stalking supported ... when everything must be "free".

  5. Not Yet. by jwhyche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course he doesn't regret it at this time. Nothing has happened yet. Once this goes to trial he might be singing a different tune. It's the little things that tend to set big things in motion. I've been hearing talk of regulating google and facebook for several months now.

    Once the trial starts everything that has happened will go on public record. That might be the tipping to make congress ether start regulating google or break up google. The latter being the most likely of the two.

    So, he might not regret it now but the fat lady is far from singing on this issue

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  6. Re:Damore was wrong by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't agree. He was naive thinking that any SJW scum actually wanted a rational discussion, but his points are mostly valid, at the very least as the starting point for an actually rational discussion.

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  7. Readers digest version by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you want to know who has power over you, look only to those who you are not allowed to criticize.

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  8. Of course he'd say that by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Admitting that he should have publicly fired the person who took the non-memo that was actually an internal G+ discussion item and waved it like a bloody flag to clickbait shitposters would be an admission that Damore has a case.

    But that is precisely what he should have done. He should have called a town hall meeting, asked the person to come to the stage and publicly fired them without any severance with a stern warning that anyone who decides to go activist and take dirty laundry to the media instead of working through official channels will be punished even harder because now they know that Google won't tolerate it.

  9. Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He should step aside and let a woman take his job.