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'New California' Movement Wants To Create a 51st State (wqad.com)

PolygamousRanchKid, Ayano, and an anonymous reader all shared the same story. Tribune Media reports: A group has launched a campaign to divide California into two states. It isn't the first attempt to split California, but unlike a failed campaign in 2016 to divide California into six states, the campaign to create New California would split the state into one made up of rural counties and another made up of coastal counties.
USA Today provides some context: Breaking up California remains no easy task: A formal secession means getting approval from both Congress and California's legislature itself. But that hasn't stopped folks from trying. Hundreds of times... Monday's declaration of "the State of New California" marked the latest in more than 200 long-shot efforts to split the Golden State. All so far have failed.

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  1. Re:Which billionaire is funding this one? by Hetero · · Score: 5, Funny

    Definitely the Russians. If they pull this off (and sources tell me they can), they will take all of California's natural resources, Gazprom will build a pipeline over the Pacific Ocean to North Korea, and California will be left as a mere desert. Trust me, I had a convo with EditorDavid, and he said *his* sources told him exactly this but was obligated to not reveal them.

    Sounds like the perfect KGB job to me.

  2. Re:Only if Puerto Rico gets statehood, too by Ziktar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Your memory is off:

    "Those who voted overwhelmingly chose statehood by 97%; turnout, however, was 23%, a historically low figure."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  3. Re:Which billionaire is funding this one? by skam240 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I bet the Liberals in every major Southern urban area get tired of their right wing state governments too.

    Please note that unlike yourself, I have chosen to not confabulate a political point of view I often disagree with, with an extremeist ideology.

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  4. The "movement" is two guys by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Paul Preston and Tom Reed are two cranks who have been at this game since the early 90s. If you go to their "movement's" website you will find that their various "regional committees" are almost completely made up of Paul Preston and Tom Reed. Their previous efforts consisted entirely of raising money.

    The funny part of this story is that Russian bots were pushing the story on Twitter and Facebook that this "New California" officially seceded from the rest of the state. Scamsters selling swag quickly got in on the fun:

    https://twitter.com/GrantJKidn...

    State secession has long been a favorite trope of the Russian bots. I'm sure you remember this story about how they pushed for Texas to secede. Turns out their Facebook page was run by the "Internet Research Agency" run out of St Petersburg, Russia.

    https://extranewsfeed.com/how-...

    https://washingtonmonthly.com/...

    No collusion...

    http://www.businessinsider.com...

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  5. Re:Which billionaire is funding this one? by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The reality is that California is not quite so liberal as it might appear from the outside. Remember, it's the state that gave the country both Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. It's just that, unless you're a universally-beloved, larger-than-life, action hero immigrant from Austria, the Republican *name* is political poison. Pete "How I hate the Hispanics; let me count the 187 ways." Wilson saw to that in the 1990s when he married the "R" on the ballot to a campaign of hate, discrimination, and bigotry against the state's fastest-growing demographic (I believe the word he was looking for afterward was: "oops".).

    But at the end of the day, we *DID* vote to recall and depose a democratic governor in favor of a Republican not long ago at all. And Schwarzenegger handily accomplished much of his agenda and won re-election besides. We also keep re-electing DINOs like Pelosi and Feinstein to congress. And even here in San Francisco, the conservative candidate wins surprisingly (to outsiders, I guess) often. You simply have to ignore the stated party affiliations (Republican being a dirty word.) and compare-and-contrast the politics of the candidates themselves. Consider the mayoral office: Willie Brown and Gavin Newsom (Both the occupying the political right.) defeated Tom Ammiano and Matt Gonzalez (the leftists) in their respective mayoral elections. (Their first elections, that is. We do seem to have a tradition of rosters of only complete space-cases running against mayoral incumbents.). Ed Lee was no progressive and was considered by many to be another DINO. And in my own district for state senate, Scott Wiener (the conservative) defeated Jane Kim (the liberal) for the seat in Sacramento. It's just that both of them had to run as Democrats because, as seen to by Pete Wilson, running as a Republican is political death for anyone who'd not a cyborg sent back in time to kill Sarah and/or John Connor.

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  6. Re: Which billionaire is funding this one? by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Today no. In ten or twenty years, who knows? Three decades ago, California was a solidly red state that had Republican governors and voted Republican in nearly every presidential election. A few decades of demographic churn pulled it the other way. Who's to say a few more decades of demographic changes won't do the opposite. It's getting pretty damned expensive to live in much of California and people will move away. Are the people most likely to move because of housing prices likely to vote Democrat or Republican? Hard to say. Time will tell.

  7. Re:Obio0vusly republicans by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the only parts in CA which are liberal are the cities, everyone else is just forced along for the ride

    So the vast majority of californians are liberal then and the tiny minority remaining are just forced along for the ride?

    I don't why country dwellers think that city folk count for less just because they live closer together. Your value as a person is not proportional ot the amonut of land you own.

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