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China, Unhampered by Rules, Races Ahead in Gene-Editing Trials (wsj.com)
U.S. scientists helped devise the Crispr biotechnology tool. First to test it in humans are Chinese doctors (Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; alternative link). WSJ reports: In a hospital west of Shanghai, Wu Shixiu since March has been trying to treat cancer patients using a promising new gene-editing tool. U.S. scientists helped devise the tool, known as Crispr-Cas9, which has captured global attention since a 2012 report said it can be used to edit DNA. Doctors haven't been allowed to use it in human trials in America. That isn't the case for Dr. Wu and others in China. In a quirk of the globalized technology arena, Dr. Wu can forge ahead with the tool because he faces few regulatory hurdles to testing it on humans. [...] There is little doubt China was first out of the block testing Crispr on humans. Nine trials in China are listed in a U.S. National Library of Medicine database. The Wall Street Journal found at least two other hospital trials, including one beginning in 2015 -- a year earlier than previously reported. Journal reporting found at least 86 Chinese patients have had their genes edited.
But communist countries care about the people first!
That's what socialism is all about, right?
We REGULATE because we care about the harm evil corporations will do to people.
Who has the freest market (and hence the most destruction and abuse of people, the planet, and ALL the good things) now??
Booya!! China No. 1!! In you face! /s
Behold the future.
I guess by the 23rd century we'll know how bad it was ;)
To get anime like eyes.
I see a lot of Chinese-translated hentai floating around, so maybe there's a chance we'll get sexy cat-girls soon.
" Replicants are like any other machine, are either a benefit or a hazard. If they're a benefit it's not my problem."
America doesn't win anymore
China's curing cancer, and we can't even keep our government in operation
But at least we'll get girls with cat ears! =)
Unhampered by "Job Killing" rules like clean air, clean water, intellectual property, and child labor laws, China has claimed top global growth rankings for the past 2 decades...
Now live with it... or try anyway.
Not much else to say there; the same answer that's offered for every other expansion of our regulatory tyranny.
Enjoy.
Considering it's behavior, the Chinese government clearly holds little regard for human life. That said, if someone has a fatal prognosis then they should be able to volunteer for experimental treatments under the condition that they accept that the treatment will likely result in a painful death and part or all of their body may be used kept to study and understand what went wrong with the treatment. However, the volunteer should be given the option of euthanasia should they wish to have it (to avoid the horrible painful death part).
Human experimentation is gruesome business and should not be taken lightly. It may be your only option aside from death but it's good to remember that a horrible painful death is a likely outcome.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
So, at least we know where the zombie apocalypse starts.
Mengele would have loved you.
Do cutoff shorts count as jean editing?
There goes everyone else's chance in the Olympics. In 20 years China will be hip-deep in engineered super-human athletes and people that look like Michael Jackson.
The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
Will will new mutant's mental focus be CRISPR.
to be fair, the "EVERY EMBRYO IS A PERSON" crowd will keep this from ever being allowed in 'Merica
to be fair, the "EVERY EMBRYO IS A PERSON" crowd will keep this from ever being allowed in 'Merica
Perhaps. But I suspect you'll get more pushback from the "NAZIS ARE BAD, MKAY?" crowd... because Nazis are bad, mkay?
This isn't the dumbest reply I've ever seen.
My wife altered my jeans.
I, for one, welcome our new genetically engineered Chinese overlords!
Second class citizen of the New Gilded Age
Our more cautious approach to human experimentation will, in the long run, be the end of us as a scientific superpower when it comes to this kind of stuff.
It also doesn't help that our government is increasingly politicizing science with one side being quite anti-science. Seemingly we will count on other countries to do the innovation.
"We have a potential cure for diabetes to show off! Well, that and fourteen goatmen. Non-sterile goatmen who now roam the woods outside our laboratories, striking fear into our hearts, but the cure for diabetes is pending trials very soon!"
Monsanto being Umbrella Corporation is so Last Thursday, China is now the new hotness in being Umbrella Corporation! Look for a zombie apocalypse near you, in the next 10-20 years!
In all seriousness: enjoy your possible human-caused genetic diseases as you recklessly tinker with human DNA. Oh and by the way so far as I'm concerned if you create genetic diseases that are communicable, and it causes a pandemic? I vote for nuking your entire fucking country over it.
Seriously, at the rate we're going, we may not be around long enough for climate change to kill us. Guess we'll see if I'm right or wrong won't we?
I'm not a biologist, but i'm pretty sure directly editing genes has far more potential for abuse than most other technologies.
How many science fiction movies start that way or involve plotlines to some extent? Suddenly the military gets involved with this and bam Forced Evolutionary Virus.
"If you could cure cancer by killing one person, wouldn't you have to do that?" (hopefully you hear gene hackmans creepy voice saying that as I do...)
This isn't the dumbest reply I've ever seen.
You must browse at a higher comment level than most.
I can't wait to see what all they cure. I am also a little worried for those it fails on, or damages. Their blood will pave the way for a brighter future, as often happens to those under communist rule.
And their population-curbing cancer-gene-enabled bioweapons
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but somewhere in the mix of all those Japanese and Europeans, there was an American, so now they effort to make it seem like they developed it, and that China "stole" it.
I think this one's a tough call. Gene editing could hold the key to curing some incurable diseases but it could also produce a moral issue where it's used for eugenics instead. People after all are willing to alter themselves for vain reasons but is that right? I think there's a slightly lesser risk of disease outbreak unless government is doing hostile black ops research but don't expect zombies or anything like that. Think more a plague outbreak.
Science is a double-edged sword, think nuclear science. It's given us so many modern technologies we take for granted but also it's also given us a chance to blow ourselves off the planet. Genetics is probably similar.
Mengele experimented on healthy people that did not give consent and the experiments were not intended to help them at all.
That is a tiny weeny bit different, but it takes two brain-cells to rub together to see that.
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China will be the first country to produce genetically modified super soldiers and take over the world.
On the other hand, China was the first government to properly denounce hip-hop as music for low class people with poor taste. You can't expect them to be right on every single issue.
China has safety rules just like everyone else. What it is not encumbered by is an anti-technology movement with access to the court system so it can stall every project into infinity by arguing its own dystopian fears.
Mengele would have loved you.
When you run out of arguments against something, invoke Nazism.
Mengele did not experiment on cancerous volunteers.
Thankfully, the FDA was slow to approve it.
Why future? Has it ever been different?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
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Is it any less creepy now? They both have a point.
Next you'll be telling us that the USA is a democracy, and the Nazis were socialists, and the GDR was both, btw!
China is approaching the logical conclusion of what would happen, if you gave an oligarchy a so-called "free market".
A walking-over-dead-bodies hypercapitalist monopoly.
The difference is, tha China's leaders care more about their power conformism penises than their money penises, like it would be in the USA.
The only country in world history, evil (and deluded) enough, to ever even consider this for non-end-of-the-world situations.
And that whole supporting the Nazis in order to make a profit off of them before,and hiring all the Nazi scientist and concentration camp doctors after the war, to continue with human experiments and developing WMDs.
Plus the fact that the USA still has several well-known literal actual concentration camps / gulags around the world. (Aka "black sites"), and likely more still secret ones.
And with both so-called parties being extemist
... fundamentailst extremist right-wingers,
the logical observation is, that the USA is the surviving one, of the two major Nazi states!
From an amoral utilitarian point of view one could easily argue that Mengele knew his victims would not make it alive either way so the best outcome for all was to advance science and benefit the most at their cost.
Utilitarian viewpoints usually fall short. This one did too. As a result of his actions a lot of research was later not conducted when it actually could have done with reasonable cost/benefit to all involved.
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Since Trump is really good at picking experts and hiring people, he should hire the Chinese to build his wall since they have so much experience in that area.