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The US Drops Out of the Top 10 In Innovation Ranking (bloomberg.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: The U.S. dropped out of the top 10 in the 2018 Bloomberg Innovation Index for the first time in the six years the gauge has been compiled. South Korea and Sweden retained their No. 1 and No. 2 rankings. The index scores countries using seven criteria, including research and development spending and concentration of high-tech public companies. The U.S. fell to 11th place from ninth mainly because of an eight-spot slump in the post-secondary, or tertiary, education-efficiency category, which includes the share of new science and engineering graduates in the labor force. Value-added manufacturing also declined. Improvement in the productivity score couldn't make up for the lost ground.
South Korea remained the global-innovation gold medalist for the fifth consecutive year. China moved up two spots to 19th, buoyed by its high proportion of new science and engineering graduates in the labor force and increasing number of patents by innovators such as Huawei Technologies Co. Japan, one of three Asian nations in the top 10, rose one slot to No. 6. France moved up to ninth from 11th, joining five other European economies in the top tier. Israel rounded out this group and was the only country to beat South Korea in the R&D category. South Africa and Iran moved back into the top 50; the last time both were included was 2014. Turkey was one of the biggest gainers, jumping four spots to 33rd because of improvements in tertiary efficiency, productivity and two other categories. The biggest losers were New Zealand and Ukraine, which each dropped four places. The productivity measure influenced New Zealand's shift, while Ukraine was hurt by a lower tertiary-efficiency ranking.
South Korea remained the global-innovation gold medalist for the fifth consecutive year. China moved up two spots to 19th, buoyed by its high proportion of new science and engineering graduates in the labor force and increasing number of patents by innovators such as Huawei Technologies Co. Japan, one of three Asian nations in the top 10, rose one slot to No. 6. France moved up to ninth from 11th, joining five other European economies in the top tier. Israel rounded out this group and was the only country to beat South Korea in the R&D category. South Africa and Iran moved back into the top 50; the last time both were included was 2014. Turkey was one of the biggest gainers, jumping four spots to 33rd because of improvements in tertiary efficiency, productivity and two other categories. The biggest losers were New Zealand and Ukraine, which each dropped four places. The productivity measure influenced New Zealand's shift, while Ukraine was hurt by a lower tertiary-efficiency ranking.
...putting South Korea at the top an "innovative" list shows that the methodology is crap.
The Plan is working. This is what winning looks like. Coupled with the 30 percent tarriff on solar, we're going to innovate ourselves down to the bottom.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
When things like "diversity", not being offended, trans politics, and "eliminating micro-aggressions" become more important than the job itself.
I wonder how much the rankings would change if the smallest and largest company in each country was excluded (similar to olympic judge scoring).
when it comes to social media innovation.
Kids today don't have to feel bad about losing, what with their participation trophies. All we need to solve this problem is something analogous for adults. If necessary, we could ship them a new trophy once a month.
What a sec...
This is exactly what happens when your culture: denigrates "experts"; relies on "faith" vs "facts" when choosing political leaders; worships reality-TV (an oxymoron if there ever was one), sports and porn above knowledge about relevant topics (quick test: name the top 3 ports players on your ${LOCAL_SPORTS_TEAM}, then name the 3 people who represent you in the US Congress. Start Jeopardy theme....), whip in a spicy sauce of economic decline and inequality destroying people's faith in capitalism and politics to fix these issues while we fixate on who kneels at afootball game and who can use which bathroom, all cheered on by plainly propaganda "news" sources (yeah, I'm looking at you Fox. Your Bret Baier fig leaf ain't big enough to hide the huge propaganda schlong that you are) and you have the Perfect Storm for a civilizational decline. One time it's really good to be an Old Fart(TM) is right about now....
we keep cutting funding to education and research. Companies don't innovate. There's not enough money on the table to make it worth while. Aside from the occasional bored aristocrat it's mostly been the government that financed innovation; usually through the public university system. But nobody wants to pay the taxes for that. Heck, we just borrowed $1.5 trillion over 10 years to finance massive tax cuts (although the cuts for the middle class expire in 10 years, we're not crazy or anything).
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... we're staffing almost all of our BioTech staff in Vietnam. We have several championship winners of regional (ASEAN) computing competitions as well as the very top students in A.I. and computational theory (essential for crunching the gigantic datasets that the genomic revolution is bringing).
It is very difficult to get even these supremely qualified candidates work permits (unless we're willing to game the system like some Indian outsourcing companies) and even then it's literally a lottery. So their minds, the technology they create and benefits (and investment) that follows will stay overseas.
Maybe we'll go to Canada.
The fact that our president is an openly racist ignorant fraud doesn't help (in the first meeting with the Prime Minister with Vietnam, Trump went around to all present making fun for a few minutes of his name "Phuc". Imagine that, the "leader" of the free world acting like a third grade Beavus and Butt-Head. I understand that this has happened with other leaders who've had the misfortune of being introduced to Trump).
We are the most innovative at self-promotion and bullying in the world, hands down. Sadly, our leader 100% represents who we are.
I agree with you 100 percent. Many, if not most of the countries in the developing world have long had stances hostile to immigration similar to Trump's. A large part of what made America great was that we were open to immigration for 400 years, and each successive wave contributed qualities that we didn't really have before.
Most of these waves of immigrants were opposed by some of the old timers who felt insecure in their careers and positions on the social ladder. It's no different today, although the anti-immigration folks try to present it as being different. Human nature doesn't change very much from one generation to the next.
hahahaha!
It may well be true that we are graduating fewer people in STEM, but, we are also right-sizing the number of people that go into STEM. If we doubled the number of engineering grads, that would just mean we would have a glut of unemployed engineers that will spend most of their lives paying off their expensive educations working at jobs that will never let them use their technical thinking skills.
So let's not pretend that if someone graduates a EE in the USA that he or she will actually ever get paid to design a circuit.
The ranking is a total fraud !
They ranked the tiny island state of Singapore at the #3 spot.
At the same time USA got the #11 spot.
Since this ranking supposed to be 'innovation', new patents should be an important indicator, right?
Question - How many patents were filed / issued, for Singapore versus that of USA?
Come on, guys, 11th out of 200+ countries and territories is fantastic. Enjoy it while it lasts!
Well... generally life expectancy is a pretty big medical outcome. Considering how much the US spends it's kinda sad it is somewhere around 30-something to 40-something place.
A great deal of the US's innovation is made by foreign researchers working in the US. The US used to be open about grant money. The US used to fund education and research. The US used to give green cards to the world's best and bright. We used to bring in the best people to our great Universities, and keep them here by having great opportunities after graduation.
If we shift to a society driven by anti-intellectualism and xenophobia, we can expect the world to pass us by and our prestige and leadership to fade away. Acting like a bully is not going to make us great again. Having brilliant people come to our universities then go home immediately after graduate school is not going to bring innovation to our nation. We can expect to continue or descent if we keep electing based on ignorance, populism, and isolationism.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Where's brand management?
Leveraging synergies?
Obesity?
Strategic reassignment of global presence?
Operational guidance of private sector management of the state?
Upward redeployment of economic value propositions with attendent infiltration to lower skilled resources?
I don't see the point of this survey.
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
We're #1 in insurance premiums. And GDP spent per capita on healthcare. Lots of things make us so great.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
It's simple. The many spoils of WWII gave out. The lead the war gave us started running out in the late 60s, but the reversion was in full swing by the 80s.
A large part of what made America great was that we were open to immigration for 400 years.
Except we didn't have social safety nets for 400 years, which is one reason many support merit based immigration policies and not this immigration diversity lottery joke.
What I'd like to see is a list of innovations (by industry) made in the last 5 years (or even 10), and next to that where that innovation was made and by whom. Then we would have some idea of how to make an innovation ranking.
Bloomberg's rankings don't look at actual innovations but rather the potential for innovations being created.
For example, India produces something like 25% of the world's engineers, but I'm pretty sure 25% of the world's engineering is not being done in India.
Here's Bloomberg's categories:
R&D intensity (R&D expenditure as % of GDP)
Manufacturing value-added (MVA as % GDP and per capita)
Productivity (GDP and GNI per employed person age 15+ and 3Y improvement)
High-tech density (Number of domestic high-tech public companies such as aerospace, defense, biotech,hardware, software, semiconductors, internet software and services, and renewable energy companies as % of publicly listed companies and as share of total world public high-tech)
Tertiary efficiency (how much of population has advanced degrees in the labor force plus what percent is tech degrees)
Researcher concentration (percent of population (per million) that are engaged in R&D)
Patent activity (patent filings, patents in force, per million population, patent filings per $100 billion GDP, and total grants by country as share of world total.)
Countries whose economies grow a lot of food, or use natural resources, or have low unemployment get dinged by the per capita and percent rankings. Bloomberg's methodology favors small manufacturing-intensive countries whether or not that country actually invents anything new at all.
That's why Iceland is above Russia.
Or Ireland above the UK. really?
Contract work vs a paid steady position. An agreement that in order for you to work, you have to sign all rights away on any innovation or idea that your work creates. Extended copyright to beyond an acceptable level. Independent makers moving their ideas to the GPL because big money wouldn't share in the rewards and bennies that come with innovation and wealth. Bottom line corporations taking over the smaller companies and infusing them with "synergy" while firing half of their former employees. H1B scab workers replacing entire shops after they were forced to train them as their replacements.
Gosh! I dunno? What could have possibly stifled innovation in the "American" market?
Patents stifle innovation. So does a police state. So does disinvestment in public education. So does economic depression and the collapse of the middle class.
Clearly the problem is that we're not diverse enough. Some additional diversity will surely bring us back in front of multicultural paradises like Japan and China.
I said America first and I meant it, not some foreign country like "Inner vashun". Where the hell is that? Part of outer mongolioid? Anyway. Back to fox news. Did you see Megin Kelly ream that Janey Fonda bitch? I gotta see that again in slo-mo. Eric! Get me some god-damn cheeseburgers, boy.
We still don't have a social safety net. Long term welfare dependency programs, sure, we got lots of those. But zero help for productive working people down on their luck.
They got paid around $500 to fill a page with words designed to generate as many ad clicks as possible. That is the only point.
Gang bangers shooting each other shouldn't count. They're not people
Having just visited South Korea, every business is mimicking what US is doing. There is Korean Uber, Korean Venmo, Korean Grubhub. They invest a ton into upper education with literally zero return - a bunch of smart people earning a paycheck recirculating scientific papers. Lol, I dare you to name a single thing that was invented in Korea that has any impact on society outside of their country.
Big countries will always be at their disadvantage when compared to - specific - small countries.
If you separate California, New-York or Seattle regions from the rest of the country, they could probably compete with South Korea or Sweden (1/30 of USA population !). BTW imagine a reunited Korea, would they still be in the first countries for innovation ? This reunification may be unlikely today, but it's what happened to Germany about 30 years ago. Germany suddently became a poor country with a huge population to re-train. Did West Germany changed ? No it even gained some very good engineers or researchers that moved from east to west.
The same as the USA can be said for China, still a poor country but with lots of regions on par with silicon valley, IsraÃl, Paris, London, New York, South Korea, Singapour.
This is a problem of dilution and these statistics are misleading.
I used to live near the Mayo Clinic. I know full well how often people with money come to the US for their health care - even from those 29 or 39 countries ahead of us on that list.
And no, average or median life expectancy is not a medical outcome. Years survived after a cancer diagnosis, for example, is a medical outcome. And for many forms of cancer, the US is #1 - sometimes by a decade or two. Which is why rich Canadians and rich Europeans come here for their treatments, and approximately zero rich Americans leave the country for major medical treatments.
And yes, I'm aware that a lot of minor medical procedures can be done for a tiny fraction of the cost in Mexico or India, and that a lot of upper middle class people go there to get their boob jobs and root canals.
Not that we are perfect. After 70 years of Democrat meddling, I feel pretty confident in saying that we have the worst medical billing system in the world.
See that "Preview" button?
You see the IQ=70 buffalo-Bantu bitches floating in from Haiti to Florida ? Can't innovate when you are that fat.
One of my companies treated research and development as a profit center. Each quarter we would get berated for not contributing to the bottom line until they just shut down all of R&D and laid us all off. The board of directors patted themselves on the back for that one and gave themselves a nice bonus for being so smart. 2 years later the company folded.
Who invented this stupid "innovation" ranking, anyway?
People are also traveling to Israel for medical treatment. So?
I've said it before and I'll say it again: US is a shithole. It's just a wasteland of burgers working to pay for US government's war expenditures so that US military can go overseas and commit atrocities. In return, these burgers get to walk around pounding their chest and claim they're the "greatest", "strongest", and "most democratic" country in the world. But ask these cretins to do some basic arithmetic or find a country on the map and they'll be stumped. That's US for you.
NO-NO-NO.
You make borders easier to cross, and you WILL NOT see who you want to see in US. THEY will not make it through, The victims will come, not the VICTORS.
How on Earth did the US make the top ten of innovative countries?
Also, training ex-coal miners to make solar panels like HRC wanted might have kept us in the top 10. Just Saying.
The US worships money. Greed legalizes and redefines indentured servitude as a one sided contract where the innovator is owned and all they produce belongs to the robber barons holding all the cards. Who willingly becomes a slave?
The article points to Samsung, which has many plants and thousands of US employees, because they've created the most US patents. So what?
Having lived in South Korea for many years, I would point to the fact that they innovate extremely little, but are outstanding at copying things that others have invented. I could go into a long winded cultural explanation (don't go all "you racist" on me here...my ex wife and kid are Korean) regarding why, but I'm too lazy for that this morning.
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You may want to research things a little instead of being a Humpty Dumpty about what means what. Just Google “examples of microaggressions” and see what comes out. The first is some Buzzfeed article, but for the sake of everyone involved I will link you to the second hit from a somewhat more reputable .edu address.
Is this you understanding of “being a dick”? Half of these are things I have never heard anyone say in a ten mile radius of a college campus, the other half are so benign that you have to have very special interpretative skills to qualify that as being anything close to a dick. QED: I believe the most qualified person should get the job. and Why do you have to be so loud / animated? Just calm down. Christ, I am certain that by many definitions your whole post is a major microaggression because you are not letting dicks express themselves or something like that.
Was America ever that great though? I mean, it was certainly powerful and the world's largest economy, but think about why it became that way.
Europe and had two major wars and was left in ruins and mountains of debt. Japan was devastated too. That allowed US manufacturing to boom with little opposition. Then you have things like the space race and military development, which were driven by the Russian threat.
Things were pretty good for some people... Straight white men, specifically. In the 60s you had women's liberation and increasing equality for non-whites, even now things are not that great for those groups. And if you were gay... It took until the 2010s for you to get the same basic rights everyone else has.
So while America certainly was a great and powerful country, for a lot of people the 20th century wasn't a particularly great time to be alive there. Of course most of the world was the same or worse, but the "Make America Great Again" implies that it used to be great, and that only seems to hold true if you were straight and white and male, and even then there is a good chance it sucked for you.
I'm not trying to run America down, just point out that like most places progress that has improved things for most people, and going backwards isn't the best plan.
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And to Europe. That probably most of all.
None of the measures mentioned actually track innovation. The measures specified can be pretty subjective and not necessarily relevant to innovation although I can see how some old schoolers would assume them to be indicators of potential for innovation. Post-Secondary and Tertiary graduates in the workforce, for example. Investment in Research and Development, for example. Much of the microcomputing technology was born in the U.S. by college dropouts. Furthermore, the qualities of engineers in some of these countries are pretty controversial, such as the very high rate of cheating on exams and even peer review papers from Chinese. Moreover, in the U.S. (and I think likely the world), most R&D money is spent by large corporations but it springs up predominantly from small businesses. That fact alone pretty much kills the validity of calling this a measurement of Innovation by different countries. In any case, it's all indirect and will be very hard to argue any correlation with actual innovative output.
People are also traveling to Israel for medical treatment. So?
Proportionately so? I know many come to the US, to places like Cleveland Clinic, Johns Hopkins and Mayo. I hear such great things about Canadian healthcare, but when my aunt from Ontario had brain cancer, the wait for treatment pretty much killed her...you can't pay to get treatment earlier there.
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Watching the news last night, they had a story about a measles outbreak, in freakin' 2018 (and there was this one at Disney in 2015 too).
I guess you could say that we in the US are finding innovative ways to bring back near-extinct diseases.
You're comparing medical expertise and outcomes of individual patients with the overall health of the general population and healthcare provided to the general population.
The US probably has some of the best and brightest physicians and specialists in the world in health care, but the overall health care system for its entire population is not that great.
Re "Was America ever that great though?" and "great time to be alive there."
The US had freedom of speech, freedom after speech. That was rare considering what communist nations did to people who wanted to read books. Look back at Communist China, the Soviet Union, South America, Africa, Asia, Europe, the UK, at the same time...
Their views on sconce, books, publications, politics, investment, working, jobs and innovation.
Educate populations need investment, support to get products and services to a global market. The freedom in the USA allowed people to try new ideas, products, invest and profit, invest and fail. The best products did well and more investment followed. The failed projects got rejected and not more gov/mil investment like in many failed nations.
Average people in the USA could read books, newspapers, magazines, talk about government, science, arts, culture. Buy books, write books, self publish, write letters about any topic, petition their gov. Read fiction, non fiction, talk about politics without the fear of gov, mil.
The US manufacturing boom was due to US skills and quality education for the best students. People worked hard for their company and new products got created, tested and sold to the world.
The US tested its students on merit. Not social advancement just on political correctness, virtue signalling for students who could not study.
Real exams, real tests over years of competitive education soon found out who could study, would study and could get results.
Only the very best got top scholarships after they could show they could study and pass tests, exams.
The "US manufacturing" gave the world products and services the world wanted to buy into. Not what a gov, theocracy, monarchy, mil, dictatorship, communist gov allowed their people to buy, rationed out, set a product for their nation.
Different parts of the world "sucked" as they could not innovate, publish, create, invent, discuss, share in new science.
They had a gov, mil tell the population what could be studied, published. What tech their nation was going to use, buy into, study and export.
Who would get what jobs and who would get how much money to buy new tooling, hardware, what brands and when.
Thats why the USA kept on winning for decades. The US population was free to think, design, create, be smart, be productive and got rewarded for hard work and having real skills.
The US rewarded skills and innovation with real wealth in the private sector. Investment in new projects was a private sector risk and reward.
Not getting a product right was a pathway to bankruptcy in the USA. No easy bailout by a gov/mil.
Other nations reward their people with food, housing. The USA innovated as other nations stagnated under their own bureaucracies, censorship, communism, faiths, mil, corrupt leaders.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
You think that Trumps one year has more impact on this measure than Obama's eight?
Take out a mirror and see why we are falling. Poor analytical skills like yours is the reason.
Here's a thought, how about corporation start funding these technology initiatives themselves like their suppose to instead of sucking on the government teet. You know, you could redirect some those profits back into R&D instead of frittering it away on investors. You wanted a free market, started behaving like one.
This is a deeply flawed study with a nonsensical methodology. It measures innovation on a sort of "per capita" basis, using variables like "R&D intensity" and "high-tech density." This rewards small countries with concentrated companies in high-tech manufacturing (South Korea) or IP (Sweden).
The study arbitrarily punishes large countries with a more diversified range of industries. For example, China, the U.S. and Russia have large resource extraction industries, which are typically not as high-tech and high in R&D costs and don't result in as many patents. As a result, even though Silicon Valley by itself generates many times more innovation than Sweden, the study "dilutes" that against the fact that the U.S. is also mining, harvesting, drilling, etc., and gives Sweden a higher ranking.
This sort of measure of innovation is meaningless. Worse yet, flawed studies like this lead to bad U.S. governmental policy -- for example, the misguided drive to turn every student of every aptitude level into a scientist, while our universities are overflowing and we don't even have enough welders or electricians.
Sports: No idea. Don’t pay much attention to it. It’s the Broncos, I know that (hard to miss :)
you can only identify with your own situation, can't even imagine what it's like for others
the only wonder is that the US is not last on this list
Oh, so that's what happened last night in Sweden. Sweden. Who would believe this? Sweden.
approximately zero rich Americans leave the country for major medical treatments.
Only if you mean 1.4 million when you say "approximately zero".
The US had freedom of speech, but it also had McCarthyism and racial segregation. That was my point really, how free you were in the US greatly depended on things like your skin colour and political beliefs.
While there were different issues in Europe, for example, you can't easily make a simple, qualitative comparison of some kind of meaningless "average freedom" for whole populations. All you can do is acknowledge the issues, e.g. most places outlawed homosexuality and that was really bad for a lot of people. For them no country was particularly "great" if it regarded their sexuality as a crime.
By the way, most of the freedoms you describe were available in western Europe from the 1950s onward too. Similar education systems too, although of course like the US there was widespread discrimination.
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You think maybe times have changed? At one time, unskilled laborers were in demand. Today, they are not. We need highly educated workers, not illiterate peasants. Add to this the anti-progressive attitudes of new immigrants and it's a cultural nightmare. They treat women and gays horribly and do not feel any compunction to assimilate into American society. And why should they, when multiculturalism tells them that's the worst thing they could do?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Actually proportionally Israel is way more popular than the US. Medical tourism to the US is basically an exception.
Here's the actual data: https://www.cihi.ca/sites/defa... The average treatment time for cancer in Canada is less than 20 days. In the US many people simply used to get NO cancer treatment whatsoever.
to what we spent going to the moon? Or what was spent in the run up to WWII? Of what we spent on infrastructure post WWII?
The tax cuts weren't necessarily 'cuts' as you and me understand them but rather tweaks to current laws that let them hide money over seas. This is why Warren Buffet pays less as a percentage than his secretary. This is before we talk about the bail outs, the near zero interest loans to the ultra wealthy (which are used to further move their wealth off books ) and other economic shenanigans that funnel money up to the aristocracy.
What's busting the budget is two things. On the State level it's the manufacturing base going overseas decimating blue collar jobs that folks who can't get a college degree used to occupy. That killed Unions and with it wages and with it the tax base. The only place left to get money was the aristocracy and, well, that's not gonna happen. Not as long as wedge issues & caste systems exist. As for the national level, it's a wars and taking care of the baby boomers that's busting our budget. Everything else is chicken feed.
And when the hell did I say we should balance the budget with taxes? By 'Budget' you mean the national I guess, and We should balance that with single payer healthcare. We could pay off the national _debt_ (forget the deficit) in 10 bloody years with the savings from single payer health care _and_ give everyone health care _and_ compete with Canada for jobs that would shore up the state budgets. Then end the 8 wars (look it up, go watch youtube's Secular Talk) and spend that money on Supply Side economics and throw a few tariffs in to bring back manufacturing jobs & Unions. Problem solved. Your Welcome.
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"Western Europe" was not the rest of the world. Different nations in Western Europe had very special investment, banking, taxation and censorship laws for many decades. How a business could be started and the long term hiring practices. Union power and who got a job with no question of productivity, ability. Loans and investment was a risk. Innovation in parts of Western Europe was not seen as a wise investment but as a risky loan. Stagnation, protectionism and state interference set in.
So the US freedoms to read, publish, be published, invest, go bankrupt was rather unique and was what made the USA so great for generations.
Investment, education, publication, science, arts, culture could all be found and enjoyed in the USA. Other nations had total censorship, political control, import restrictions. Different tariffs and laws on the needed new tooling to innovate. A lack of investment and no ability for the private sector to attract the needed investment.
The US could out smart and out pace other nations political controls and government intrusion in the workings of the free market.
Average people in the USA had the freedom to read about advances, buy innovate products and services to actually the profits of their private sector business.
To attract investment, new thinking, the needed graduates, experts and professionals to grow their business.
To find and hire the best graduates who passed their exams on merit. Not on politics, faith or wealth as many other failed nations demanded be taken into consideration.
The US offered its best full scholarships once the person could show they could study and pass tests, exams.
Other nations passed students on been good communists, been loyal to a political party, having the correct faith, the correct politics, political connections.
Freedom of speech, freedom after speech, the freedom to read, freedom to study, freedom to work, freedom to invest, freedom to start a business, the freedom to invest again and again is what made the USA great.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
"Maybe we'll go to Canada."
You do realize that Canada requires marketable skills (aside from immigration for refugees), right? But, Trump is a racist for wanting people with skills.
"A large part of what made America great was that we were open to immigration for 400 years"
For many years, there was still a requirement to be able to support yourself. When my ex-wife immigrated back in 88, we had to prove that I could support her. But let's continue to follow the agenda that policy changes in that direction are all new.
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Okay, but we are getting away from the point here. Comparing the US to other countries is pointless. What matters is if it was great for people living in the US in the 20th century, and I think that clearly for a lot of people it wasn't.
It's all very well saying that the system was a meritocracy, but that kinda sucked if you couldn't apply because of your gender or could only attend the badly funded schools because of your skin colour.
That's the problem with MAGA: it was only great for some people some of the time, and was often dependent on outside influences that can't be reproduced like lack of competition from Europe and East Asia, or the space race.
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Jan. 23, Juche 107 (2018) Tuesday
No Force Can Block Advance of DPRK
The imperialists are getting evermore pronounced in their moves to isolate and stifle the Democratic People's Republic of Korea as they do not hope that it would become strong and rich.
The moves of hostile forces against the DPRK were the most brutal ones unprecedented in history. However, the DPRK became a nuclear power of Juche and world military power which no formidable enemy dares provoke and achieved a series of successes in the building of a powerful socialist country last year.
The U.S. and its vassal forces are now making last-ditch efforts to deprive the DPRK of its sovereignty and rights to existence and development.
The U.S. imperialists run amuck in the barbarous sanctions and blockade against the DPRK by dint of all economic and diplomatic means, unprecedentedly increasing the danger of a nuclear war on the Korean Peninsula by massively deploying the nuclear strategic assets in and around the peninsula.
The enemies' sanctions will never work on the DPRK as it has the foundation of self-supporting national economy and a huge army of reliable scientists who are fully supporting the policies of the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK) and devotedly working to implement them.
Victory and glory are in store for Juche Korea and its future is rosy thanks to the wise guidance of the WPK and the single-hearted unity of all the service personnel and people united close around it.
Sim Chol Yong
approximately zero rich Americans leave the country for major medical treatments.
Only if you mean 1.4 million when you say "approximately zero".
Nothing in that article mentions how many "rich" Americans go overseas for medical care. It includes all Americans, including the over 10 million Americans without medical insurance.
Also note that the top two reasons to leave the country are cosmetic surgery and dentistry, two areas where insurance coverage is very low in the US.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
If you have the most money why innovate? Just buy your competition and keep the oligarchy going strong.
abolishing government warehousing of minors. What is laughingly referred to as "public schools" should be
replaced with a network of private schools.
But if it's any consolation, the US is still #1 in cheating and ripping off consumers, always innovating new ways to unfairly scam people. Nigeria and Russia, licking at the US heels, though.
America is innovating the HELL out of the coal industry!
Israel lets rich people pay for organs. There have been huge scandals regarding how some of those organs are procured.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
If it folded 2 years later, they kept R&D open far too _long_.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
New immigrants have a history of treating woman and gays like shit, forming their own enclaves and refusing to integrate. My city still has a little Italy, a little Ukraine, a China town and so on. It has always been the kids or grandkids that assimilated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
" In the US many people simply used to get NO cancer treatment whatsoever."
That's a lie. My mom and dad (twice), and three of my employees have all been treated here for cancer. My aunt in Ontario was put on a waiting list for a couple months. So yeah, anecdotes != evidence, but your comment on the US is bunk.
Just another day in Paradise
You say anecdotes aren't evidence but then you proceed to claim an anecdote is evidence?
Just because you don't know people in the US who haven't been treated for cancer doesn't mean that isn't the case...
Yes, but you can arrive at those organically. DR automatically generates unique row ID's. If you reference such in another table, you have "created" a relationship without explicitly creating a relationship: Create On Use.
Code generation has problems that data or meta-data driven processing doesn't. Creation of code is usually far easier than maintenance (change) of such code. Generation usually does not help the maintenance side, and often makes it worse. (DR is not really about front-ends, I'd note.)
As far as DBase3, it had its own query language, not SQL. While SQL has weak spots, it's the de-facto standard, and makes the learning curve smaller because many already know traditional RDBMS. (I'd choose SMEQL as the new query language standard if given a choice, but that's another topic.)
I used DBase a lot in the past. It got most of the its RAD capability by integrating the query language, programming language, and front-end conventions, NOT from dynamicy, which it really didn't have. That is indeed one path to RAD, but that requires integrating a full stack (UI, biz-logic, database). DR just focuses on the database and query side. A full stack could be built around it, but that's Stage 2.
Just because some people abuse a tool is not a reason to not have it. A lot of people mis-use chainsaws, but in the right hands they are powerful and efficient tools.
Also, many customers don't really know what they want until they actually use the system. The "static" database tools don't handle changing-minds well. And DR allows gradual cleaning and applying integrity settings at a later time in a project when it settles.
Table-ized A.I.
I mean, the kind of minds and ammount of intelligence used to commit frauds and scamming in the US is incredible, these people have changed the world, even if is in a bad way, US innovation have been very prolific in ways to get fast money and destroying the rest.
Okay, but we are getting away from the point here.
No, he's on point by providing examples where you are wrong.
Comparing the US to other countries is pointless.
No it isn't. It's a very meaningful comparison, as we can objectively measure each country to verify if he's actually right or wrong.
As opposed you seemingly comparing US to some arbitrary standard in your head, which is subjective. You can say anything, but we can't verify it. You're not even wrong
What matters is if it was great for people living in the US in the 20th century, and I think that clearly for a lot of people it wasn't.
Again, that's not even wrong. How much is "a lot" of people? What is "great"? They're subjective unverifiable statements.
It's all very well saying that the system was a meritocracy, but that kinda sucked if you couldn't apply because of your gender or could only attend the badly funded schools because of your skin colour.
Compared to what? Other countries weren't that much better, if at all.
That's the problem with MAGA
No, the problem with MAGA is that "great" means different things to different people, even people like you who oppose Trump. You think it means things that the US never had so you can make your posts, while somebody who buys into the message thinks it means something else.
There is no meaningful discussion to be had when you have yet to establish what any of the words mean and how you would measure it. As is, you are just arguing over nothing
Ever hear of public health statistics? The US is mediocre at best. The best US medical care is really, really good, and if everyone had access to good medical care we'd have much better public health stats.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I have been to a few places manufacturing solar panels. There is almost zero manual work in that. There were a few operators looking at screens and one guy taking subassemblies from a few lines and putting them together in another line (no idea why that was not automated, looked easy...) Modern coal mining is also very automated.
You're trusting a ranking metric that only invented 6 years ago? ...research the number of global patents awarded per country if you want to really know
... believes that colleges are evil yet, the author seems surprised that the U.S. is falling behind.
The GOP doesn't like innovation because innovation is egalitarian. If you don't have a king at the top and peasants slaving away underneath him, then you are a commy atheist.