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DuckDuckGo App and Extension Upgrades Offer Privacy 'Beyond the Search Box' (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the Verge: DuckDuckGo is launching updated versions of its browser extension and mobile app, with the promise of keeping internet users safe from snooping "beyond the search box." The company's flagship product, its privacy-focused search engine, will remain the same, but the revamped extension and app will offer new tools to help users keep their web-browsing as safe and private as possible. These include grade ratings for websites, factoring in their use of encryption and ad tracking networks, and offering summaries of their terms of service (with summaries provided by third-party Terms of Service Didn't Read). The app and extension are available for Firefox, Safari, Chrome, iOS, and Android.

The ability to block ad tracking networks is probably the most important feature here. These networks are used by companies like Google and Facebook to follow users around the web, stitching together their browsing history to create a more accurate profile for targeted advertising.

DuckDuckGo calls it "a major step to simplify online privacy," adding that without it, "It's hard to use the Internet without it feeling a bit creepy -- like there's a nosey neighbor watching everything you do from across the street."

48 comments

  1. Why doesn't their app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just block most tracking cookies and JavaScript with a whitelist option?

    1. Re: Why doesn't their app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... it does? Not sure I understand your question.

  2. Pull the other one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No different than Google or Facebook. You're the product.

  3. DuckDuckGo's promise by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 1, Interesting

    is just that: a promise. At the end of the day, DDG is a free service: where the hell do you think they generate revenues from? I want to believe their concern for privacy and their offer to help are genuine. But ultimately they drink from the same well as Google and their ilk

    So thanks but no thanks. I'll take care of my own privacy with Noscript, Open Referer Control, uBlock Origin, User-Agent Switcher, Ghostery, Cookie Autodelete, Greasemonkey, Tor and all the others thank you very much.

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    1. Re:DuckDuckGo's promise by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'll take care of my own privacy with Noscript, Open Referer Control, uBlock Origin, User-Agent Switcher, Ghostery, Cookie Autodelete, Greasemonkey, Tor and all the others thank you very much.

      The irony here is these are also all “free services”, not so different from DuckDuckGo. Have you personally done a code audit on each one?

      DuckDuckGo sells clearly-marked ads - they tell you that, and they ask (but do not require) that you whitelist their site so they can make some money on serving you search results. I can live with that.

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    2. Re:DuckDuckGo's promise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything is fine as long as I won't receive from time to time that creepy targeted ads about that product I saw in a web page 5 years ago or receiving mail from my abusive bank that I can get an instant credit loan for that vacation travel I was searching in my aunt's computer.

    3. Re:DuckDuckGo's promise by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      At the end of the day, DDG is a free service: where the hell do you think they generate revenues from?

      You need a history lesson.

      How does it make money?

      While many websites and search engines collect data on you to sell to advertisers, DuckDuckGo takes a different approach – keywords.

      "If you type in 'car' you get a car ad, if you type in 'mortgage' you get a mortgage ad," Weinberg said. "We don't need to know about you or your search history to deliver a lucrative ad." Weinberg added tht DuckDuckGo doesn't need "a lot of adverts" to make money and keywords are all it needs.

      With a whooping 45 employees, it doesn't take much money to keep the site going.

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    4. Re:DuckDuckGo's promise by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      DuckDuckGo are just serving reality, unlike the marketing lies of Google. Reality is marketing should always target content and never the user. The user searches for content and that content should then be targeted with aligned content. This allows marketing to be ahead of user purchasing decisions, rather than pretending by targeting ads after user purchasing decisions.

      Google were really quite scammy, targeting advertisers and convincing them, that Google could control end user by targeted marketing, the advertisers never realised they were the ones being hit with targeted advertising and empty promises, they paid through the nose for.

      DuckDuckGo delivers a far better search experience, much like it was switching from MSN&Alta Vista to Google, all those years back, now it's switching from Google to DuckDuckGo as Google became more user abusive and controlling, demanding the right to control your politics.

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    5. Re:DuckDuckGo's promise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you use Tor, stick to Tor Browser's user agent string "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0" and do not change it to else. Do so make you uniquely identifiable. So remove UA switcher.

      uBlock Origin silently poll data in background from raw.githubusercontents.com. Some people asked the dev to fix "phoning home" but was rejected. Use AdblockPlus instead. ABP connect to only filter servers(easylist.to).

      Replace Ghostery to RequestPolicy or 3PRB. The latter support Quantum.

      Isn't "Cookie Autodelete" not work in private mode? If you're not using private mode, you're screwed(really if you are using Tor, you should use private mode).

    6. Re:DuckDuckGo's promise by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      The problem I've found with targeted advertising? Just forget the privacy implications or any of that but just look at the concept itself...it just doesn't work at selling you anything, it just annoys the hell out of you!

      I'll use myself as an example, when all the "OMG targeted adverts OMG!" thing hit I decided to see what it was all about so I left all adblocking of the box I use at work? Result? They sold me exactly ZERO PRODUCTS when compared to those that simply based their ads on what type of site it was! I did some searching for a laptop BATTERY for a customer, not new laptops, not cases, just a battery for his older unit...did they give me ads for new batteries? Anything that would actually be useful even for that laptop like a case or power adapter or anything that made sense? Nope it was "ZOMFG we got NEW LAPTOPS HERE buy buy buy!" and that was FOR MONTHS, long after I had stopped searching for anything to do with a damned laptop!

      Now when you compare it to the sites I went to that did NOT use targeted but simply went by the site I was on, like a tech site having an ad with sales on RAM or an article abut GPUs having GPU sales or a music site having sales on things like strings and amps? They actually gained some sales because it was simply common sense, if I'm looking at a review on RAM then, shock surprise, I might actually be looking for some RAM! But the ones that targeted? They are trying to sell me shit that I looked for ages ago and have already moved on so they had ZERO chance of selling me a damned thing because I had already bought what I searched for ages ago!

      So at the end of the day not only do targeted ads invade your privacy but frankly they just do not work because they only care about what you did yesterday, not what you are looking for now or even what site you are on.

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    7. Re: DuckDuckGo's promise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the inherent promise of targeting adverts was less adverts, and they would be relevant. FAIL - I looked for a laptop months ago, and bought one. I get NO ads for laptop cases or mobile mice - but I am still bombarded by ads for laptops, mostly by Amazon, through which I bought the laptop to begin with. Iâ(TM)ve begun blocking everything and everything because I surrendered privacy and got nothing of value in return.

    8. Re:DuckDuckGo's promise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uBlock Origin silently poll data in background from raw.githubusercontents.com. Some people asked the dev to fix "phoning home" but was rejected. Use AdblockPlus [mozilla.org] instead. ABP connect to only filter servers(easylist.to).

      I use Ublock Origin and this bothered me so I did some searching. Apparently this is the other side of the story, at this link where Ublock is hosted. I think he makes some good points here. Ublock is open source and has no home server to "phone home" to. He claimst he periodic connections are to update filter lists, which is quite plausible.

      Do you have any evidence that Ublock's background connections are anything else? Do you have logs or packet captures showing malice? As it stands now I want to believe it's a good extension (it's good at blocking ads anyway). I'm honestly more inclined to believe the authors of an open-source project over a random AC but if you have evidence I'm willing to listen.

  4. Isn't DDG based in Russia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How secure can this be when Putin is able to inspect your searches at will?

    1. Re:Isn't DDG based in Russia? by afc_wimbledon · · Score: 4, Informative

      20 Paoli Pike, Paoli, Pennsylvania, United States. So no, unless you think Putin owns Trump, and by extension...

    2. Re:Isn't DDG based in Russia? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Even if Putin does somehow “own Trump”, that doesn’t mean he also controls every American-based business. And Trump has a slightly more adversarial relationship with his own country’s spy agencies, compared to the former KGB intelligence officer.

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    3. Re:Isn't DDG based in Russia? by afc_wimbledon · · Score: 1

      Quite possibly. But DDG is clearly not "based in Russia".

    4. Re:Isn't DDG based in Russia? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Certainly -I’m not meaning to argue with that statement.

      I think the idea the DuckDuckGo is “Russian” comes from the fact that they currently use Yandex’s search results as one of their primary sources.

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    5. Re:Isn't DDG based in Russia? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Expecting useful results from a US search engine that deranks for US party political reasons might be something to consider when searching.

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  5. Reinventing the wheel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I sort of view these kinds of press releases as reinventing the wheel. You can already the ability of everyone to track you using a conventional adblocker, and those sorts of extensions have millions of active users in every browser, probably more than DuckDuckGo. The bonus is that an adblocker will also block, say, YouTube trying to serve you crypto mining garbage. Or pictures of infected toenails that Taboola thinks are relevant to the shitty celebrity listicle you're reading. Or, you know, ads.

    Lower processor usage, lower bandwidth usage, faster page loads, lower exposure to malicious code, and aesthetic improvements out the wazoo to all the sites you read. All at the cost of, in the abstract, some time in the future, the site you're reading having to pursuing alternate revenue models like subscription revenue, commercial affiliate revenue, or using ads that can't expose users to cut-rate Lithuanian malware.

    And as for replicating the green lock functionality browsers already have by telling me whether a site is encrypted, this is increasingly a moot point; adoption for TLS has already passed a tipping point and when Google (the search engine real humans actually use) begins degrading non-encrypted search results in the next year adoption will only accelerate. Skate to where the puck is headed, not where it was two years ago.

    1. Re:Reinventing the wheel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can already the ability of everyone to track you using a conventional adblocker

      Why do you words ?

  6. Startpage still beats DDG on security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although DDG is very good, Startpage is still better. DDG is faster, but it's also hosted on Amazon Web Services while Startpage operates its own servers. Startpage also uses POST rather than GET by default, unlike DDG.

    Let me be clear: I appreciate DDG. I'm glad it's growing. It's doing good work. I use it often. The three main things DDG could do to match Startpage on security would be:

    1. Use POST by default
    2. Implement a proxy feature
    3. Move everything onto its own servers

    DDG is also in a much better position to roll out widespread private search to the masses than is Startpage, so I hope they keep innovating. Startpage also turns out better results because it pulls from Google, but that poses a host of other problems. DDG can become a major market player here, but it still needs work.

  7. Russiaphobic racism taken to new heights (lows) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DuckDuckGo is based out of Pennsylvania and is run by a Jew.

    You Russiaphobes are suffering from severe mental illness and need help.

    1. Re:Russiaphobic racism taken to new heights (lows) by iamhassi · · Score: 2

      It is quite funny to see Russians become the "bad guy" again. After 30 years of not hearing a peep from Russia, some news agencies suddenly reported Russians took over our election and got Trump elected. Arabic country or even China would make more sense, but Russia? It's like a corny movie or video game plot.

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    2. Re:Russiaphobic racism taken to new heights (lows) by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      It is quite funny to see Russians become the "bad guy" again. After 30 years of not hearing a peep from Russia, some news agencies suddenly reported Russians took over our election and got Trump elected. Arabic country or even China would make more sense, but Russia? It's like a corny movie or video game plot.

      "Red Donkey Dawn"

      [rimshot]

      Thanks, I'll be here all week. Remember to tip the veal and try the waitresses!

      Strat

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    3. Re:Russiaphobic racism taken to new heights (lows) by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      It is quite funny to see Russians become the "bad guy" again.

      What race is Russian?

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    4. Re:Russiaphobic racism taken to new heights (lows) by dryeo · · Score: 2

      Russia started being the bad guy again about 5 years back, mostly over the Ukraine and the attempts by the west to militarize it and Russia responding about 4 years back by annexing the Crimea.
      The Russians meddling in the American election follows the west, mostly represented by America meddling in, or at least doing actions that the Russians perceived as, meddling in the border states of Russia. After being invaded a few times and losing 10's of millions of people the last time, Russia is somewhat paranoid.
      America is similar, almost destroying the world when after putting missiles on the Turkish border of the USSR, the USSR retaliated by putting missiles in Cuba and I'd guess America would react pretty strongly if Russia seemed to be gaining too much influence in Canada or Mexico.

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    5. Re:Russiaphobic racism taken to new heights (lows) by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      we never forgave them for causing all that trouble with moose and squirrel.

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  8. Under the Radar is more better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As soon as a site goes big production it suffers the spooks. Eg. Mozilla and all of it's new "features".

  9. The thing about DuckDuckGo by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    In a nutshell, the problem with DuckDuckGo is that it sucks. Or at least it did, a few months ago, when I used as my only search engine for two weeks. In the end, I had to go back to Google - they are just on an altogether different level. I really hope that DuckDuckGo will improve, and will eventually become comparable to Google. It is not there yet.

    1. Re: The thing about DuckDuckGo by crmarvin42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I use it as my default engine, and use Google as my fall back if DDG fails. It gives DDG the chance to be âoegood enoughâ, letâ(TM)s me find what I need when it isnâ(TM)t, and denies Google most of my everyday searches. It doesnâ(TM)t need to be the best to be worth using. I end up back at google infrequently unless Iâ(TM)m needing to find scientific writing.

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    2. Re: The thing about DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or want something that understands your curly quotes.

    3. Re: The thing about DuckDuckGo by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I do the same thing you’re describing.

      I will add that, in my experience, when DuckDuckGo doesn’t deliver what I want... generally Google also fails to do so nowadays. Frankly, I think Google’s search is not as good as it once was - people have finally figured out how to consistently game it.

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    4. Re:The thing about DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If DDG sucks, why don't you use https://www.startpage.com/?

    5. Re:The thing about DuckDuckGo by ASCIIxTended · · Score: 1

      In a nutshell, the problem with DuckDuckGo is that it sucks. Or at least it did, a few months ago, when I used as my only search engine for two weeks. In the end, I had to go back to Google - they are just on an altogether different level. I really hope that DuckDuckGo will improve, and will eventually become comparable to Google. It is not there yet.

      I've tried DDG a few times and always go back to Startpage.com for the same reason.

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    6. Re:The thing about DuckDuckGo by iamhassi · · Score: 2

      In a nutshell, the problem with DuckDuckGo is that it sucks. Or at least it did, a few months ago, when I used as my only search engine for two weeks. In the end, I had to go back to Google - they are just on an altogether different level. I really hope that DuckDuckGo will improve, and will eventually become comparable to Google. It is not there yet.

      I disagree. I started using DuckDuckGo after google asked employees for their opinions and then fired that guy when he offered suggestions on how to get more women into IT. I find DuckDuckGo's results to be at least as good as google if not better because it has fewer spammy sites. Only place DuckDuckGo fails is local search, like if you're trying to find out what time your local Taco Bell closes it doesn't bring up local searches as first, it would give you the corporate website.

      I'm pretty happy not being a Google sheep anymore

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    7. Re: The thing about DuckDuckGo by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I do the same thing you’re describing.

      I will add that, in my experience, when DuckDuckGo doesn’t deliver what I want... generally Google also fails to do so nowadays. Frankly, I think Google’s search is not as good as it once was - people have finally figured out how to consistently game it.

      Pretty much this. I'll try Google if no joy with DDG, but my experience since changing over to DDG is that Google returns more but less useful results.

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    8. Re: The thing about DuckDuckGo by crmarvin42 · · Score: 1

      I agree that Googles quality has fallen. Lots of results on page one missing the first word in my search term, Lot of SEO garbage no one actually wants, etc. My biggest gripe is how they've managed to break the "Back" button. Use google to fine a page, click to it, decide to back, but the "Back" button just reload the current page because when you clicked on a google link it actually loaded 2 pages sequentially. Happens almost every day at work (where DDG isn't an option).

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    9. Re: The thing about DuckDuckGo by pots · · Score: 1

      I still do better with Google results most of the time, but I get those from Startpage when I need them. DuckDuckGo mostly returns Bing results, Startpage mostly (exclusively?) returns Google results, and between the two of them I can find whatever I need.

    10. Re: The thing about DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's even trivial to do that with DDG's bang commands; I assume you're familiar with them as it sounds like you're a heavy user of search engines, but for anyone undecided about trying it out: https://duckduckgo.com/bang . As an example, here are the options for Google: https://duckduckgo.com/bang?q=google

    11. Re: The thing about DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Generally, DDG returns what I requested, and Google returns what Google thinks I should have requested. I prefer DDG most of the time.

  10. Private? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is really private if DuckDuckGo sees every page you look at?

  11. Run a Pi-hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and it takes care of all devices on your network. Moreover, if you set up a VPN, you can also take advantage of the Pi-hole from your mobile devices whilst you are away from home. Works a charm. Been running a Raspberry Pi, Raspian, and Pi-hole for a bit of time now, and I must say, it's an impressive bit of kit. You can add additional block lists to the Pi-hole for even more blocking. Whitelists are also possible, should you need to allow for something.

    The default blocklist hits 95% of the bad stuff, including coin miners, the vast majority of ad networks, and the basic dreck one encounters online. I supplement the Pi-hole with uBlock Origin, although this is more to block the stuff the Pi-hole might miss. I also use Decentraleyes, and Webmail Ad Blocker to get rid of the horrid frames in outlook.com.

    The Pi-hole works by dint of blocking the DNS calls to the ad networks so your devices never even have to negotiate the potential problems by allowing them through your router gateway. I wish I would have done this sooner.

    1. Re:Run a Pi-hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ask us to spend money AND deal with security issues in dnsmasq too https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/security-bugs-in-dnsmasq-affect-computers-smartphones-routers-iot-devices/ ? No thanks. Hosts do more than UBlock too. I'll stick to hosts files I already have that have no such security issues like dnsmasq in Pi-Hole, cost me zero, and do more than ublock by a longshot.

  12. Native best adblocker & more bar-none by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK Hosts File Engine 10++ SR-1 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/

    Ads/script/malware rob speed/security/privacy/bandwidth.

    Hosts add speed (via hardcodes/adblocks), security (vs. bad sites/malware/poisoned dns), reliability (vs. dns down), & anonymity (vs. dns requestlogs/trackers).

    Less power/cpu/ram + IO use vs. DNS/routers/addons/antivir + less security bugs/complexity & faster vs. av/addons/routers/remote dns!

    Avoids DNSChangers in routers/IP settings & dns redirect (99++% of ISP DNS != patched vs. it) + DNS tracking & lighten DNS load & resolve faster via local RAM!

    * Via what u NATIVELY have in a FASTER kernelmode IP stack (does more w/ less).

    APK

    P.S. - You don't need anything more than what you have in hosts & this to populate it vs. threats galore + more speed... apk

  13. I use duckduckgo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the best place to buy quack.

  14. Duckduckgo is tracking you in background. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you search something on Duckduckgo and click something, the javascript send URL and keyword and other data to duckduckgo in background. Also the website query to each websites for favicon.ico automatically so the website owner know someone is search them on DDG.
    Use searx instances instead.

    And one more thing - their firefox extensions silently report your data to DDG servers. Unpack and read.

    1. Re:Duckduckgo is tracking you in background. by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 2

      Also the website query to each websites for favicon.ico automatically

      I have been getting lots of favicon hits since quite a few months ago and wasn't sure about where all this was coming from. I do know that DDG displays site favicons (actually, I did like that feature pretty much when I used it for a while), but always assumed that they were relying on local copies. Curious, even a bit weird, but seems a sensible explanation for my numerous just-favicon visits.

      DISCLAIMER: I have no idea about the reliability of the other claims of this AC. I did test DDG for some weeks and my overall impression wasn't too good for various reasons; I might give it a new try at some other point. Currently, I am testing yandex.com (not too happy with it), although still mostly using startpage.com, and expect to start my bing.com tests in brief.

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  15. DuckDuckGo now adds another tab by eford49 · · Score: 1

    So, now when I open Safari I get an unrequested DuckDuckGo tab displayed, even without actually using the extension during that session. Looks like DuckDuckGo is DuckDuckGone on my system.