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The SCO Vs IBM Zombie Shambles On (uscourts.gov)

Long-time Slashdot reader UncleJosh writes: At the end of last October, the 10th Circuit issued an opinion overturning the lower court's summary judgement in favor of IBM on one of SCO's claims, sending it back to the lower court for trial. Shortly thereafter, IBM filed for a re-hearing en banc. On January 2nd, the 10th circuit essentially denied IBM's request, issuing a slightly revised opinion with the same conclusions and result.
The charge being reheard accuses IBM of "stealing and improperly using [SCO's] source code to strengthen its own operating system, thereby committing the tort of unfair competition by means of misappropriation" -- though that charged is based on an implied duty that SCO says IBM incurred by entering into a development relationship with SCO. "SCO believes that IBM merely pretended to go along with the arrangement in order to gain access to Santa Cruz's coveted source code."

The court's 46-page document adds that "We are now almost fifteen years into this litigation."

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  1. My god by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Somebody PLEASE put a stake in it.

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    1. Re:My god by dwywit · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's for vampires. Zombies require a headshot.

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    2. Re:My god by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a game of lawyers. The only effective way to end this is nuclear bombardment from orbit.

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  2. What it should have added... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "We are now almost fifteen years into this litigation and still neither side is broke, like seriously wtf!"

    1. Re:What it should have added... by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Informative

      "We are now almost fifteen years into this litigation and still neither side is broke, like seriously wtf!"

      Oh SCO died of bankerupcy long ago. The last thing they did was sell off the right to sue to lawyers and promptly shat the bed and died.

      Frusturatingly for IBM, the one claim that stuck was that SCO owed IBM a *lot* of money, but instead of the handing over that money they spent it all on lawyers refiling again and again until there was nothing left for IBM to claim.

      Which ought be completely illegal, but apparently it is not.

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    2. Re:What it should have added... by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is the time when it should be legal to harvest the organs of CEOs to compensate the damaged party. The heart's probably unusable (provided it's present) but the rest should be usable.

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    3. Re:What it should have added... by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is a way out of this. It is really rather nasty and has to do with legally targeting the law firm. Fund all cases against the Law Firm. Find all of their cases and help fund the opposition and let everyone know, use that Law Firm and you will likely lose because IBM will fund the opposition for a share of the action. Let's see who toughs it out then!

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  3. Re:Here's a haiku to liven up your day by SUCK+MY+BALLS!!! · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Erm, according to the plaintiff's sorry excuse for a blog, the legal counsel has pledged to continue until they are disbarred or they make a "success" of the case, whatever that means.

    You know what's funny...and I'm going to be modded down for this...but if you look at the millions of man-years spent wasting everyone's time on the litigation versus how much time it would take to write a *decent* OS entirely from scratch, you're looking at a 1000000:1 effort.

    This is like spending 50 years in the court system over someone jaywalking when he never jaywalked in the first place.

  4. History of the Zombie by ytene · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Originally, "The SCO Group" (TSG) that filed suit against IBM (and subsequently Novell) was a commercial company run by then-CEO Darl McBride. The original court case was presided over by Judge Kimball.

    During that case there was a great deal of fancy footwork by TSG's lawyers (Boies, Schiller and Flexner LLC), who were hoping to get the case to a jury trial without having to turn over the specifics of their "evidence" to the Court and thus to IBM. Their tactic of not showing their hand had two aims: to bluff IBM into thinking that their case was stronger than it really was - and to hold back the most damaging accusations until they could be delivered in front of a jury without giving IBM the ability to prepare a response.

    Duelling motions came to a head and eventually, after giving TSG all the lattitude he could, Judge Kimball announced that he would rule on an IBM motion to compel TSG to pony up their evidence. Before that could be discussed in a hearing [literally just a couple of days before] TSG filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy. It is worth noting at this point that when TSG filed for bankruptcy they were technically and legally solvent, but the Bankruptcy Court accepted their petition regardless.

    At that point everything on this thread of the story went a bit strange.

    The Bankruptcy Court appointed one Judge Kevin Gross to preside over the bankruptcy. Judge Gross then appointed a Trustee to be the caretaker for the Chapter 11-protected TSG - and this Trustee was himself a retired Judge. [Sorry, this gentleman's name and that of his company escapes me].

    From this point forward, the Trustee continue to try and fight the court case, all the while submitting invoices to TSG for their services. Although there was quite a bit of noise from this point forward, nothing substantive came of the appointment of this Trustee other than - in the opinion of this observer, anyway - the Trustee being able to milk the last of the liquid assets out of TSG and to push the company from not-quite-Chaper-11 through to brink-of-Chapter-7 bankruptcy.

    At that point, with no more juice to suck out, the Trustee seemed to lose interest and the whole thing went quiet.

    Until now, that is.

    It's probably worth pointing out that the Trustee is itself a law firm, staffed, of course, with Law Clerks and Lawyers. Such an entity does of course go through brief periods of time when there is not enough work to keep every employee engaged on client-funded business. Rather than lay off an employee when that happens, the Firm will of course assign them activities which it hopes might have a future beneficial value. If miracles could happen and if TSG could prevail in even the tiniest part of an argument against IBM, then there would be a payout from IBM to the corpse. At that point, the Trustee would be able to reactivate any deferred invoices that they had accrued during the time that TSG has spent as a zombie.

    In other words, the original gang of SCO Group folk (Darl McBride, Sanjay Gupta and friends) that filed the original complaint are long, long gone. The zombine is now being prodded along by the company of the Bankruptcy Court-appointed Trustee. Finally, this looks to have become nothing more than a time-card-filler for that law Firm, who occasionally have enough spare time on their hands to write another motion and prod the zombie...

    Let's all hope a Court gives them a nice big slap for wasting Court time...

    1. Re:History of the Zombie by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 5, Informative

      Years of this litigation were documented at https://www.groklaw.net/. The trustee is Edward Cahn.

      http://www.groklaw.net/article...

    2. Re:History of the Zombie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Years of this litigation were documented at https://www.groklaw.net/. The trustee is Edward Cahn.

      http://www.groklaw.net/article...

      And how fitting that his last name is pronounced "Con" because that's what this whole thing is.

      In the very first paragraph of this most recent filing by SCO we see The Big Lie repeated:

      The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. (Santa Cruz) entered into a business arrangement with International Business Machines Corp. (IBM) to develop a new operating system that would run on a more advanced processor manufactured by Intel Corporation (Intel). The parties signed an agreement memorializing this collaborative effort and called it Project Monterey. Another technology company, The SCO Group, Inc. (SCO), then acquired Santa Cruz’s intellectual property assets and now brings this lawsuit for IBM’s alleged misconduct during and immediately after Project Monterey.

      The original SCO, The Santa Cruz Operation, sold their Unix business to Caldera. After the sale, Santa Cruz, the original SCO, changed their name to Taligent. It wasn't until a few years later, just before filing their original lawsuit against IBM, that Caldera changed their name to The SCO Group.

      The name change was done for the sole purpose of facilitating this lawsuit and creating confusion -- pretending that The SCO Group is the original SCO. An example of this was seen in 2004 when The SCO Group announced on their website the 25th anniversary of the company. The problem is, Caldera, the predecessor to The SCO Group, was only founded in the early 90s. 2004 was the 25th anniversary of the original SCO not the current phoney, pretend SCO.

    3. Re:History of the Zombie by ytene · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The point you raise consumed what felt like literally hours of court time during the pre-bankruptcy hearings presided over by Judge Kimball and Magistrate Judge Wells.

      There is a helpful article on Groklaw which covers this point:-

      http://www.groklaw.net/article...

      in which there is discussion of an expression used by Magistrate Judge Wells during an evidentiary hearing. The analogy she used was that The SCO Group were essentially trying to perform the equivalent of accusing a shoplifter from stealing from Neiman Marcus [a US catalogue-based retailer, for non-US readers]. The Magistrate Judge basically told The SCO Group that what they were trying to do was (in accusing IBM of being the "shoplifter") say, "This thing we claim you stole. It's in the catalogue. You figure it out."

      The two legal Teams (BSF for The SCO Group and CSM - Cravath, Swaine and Moore - for IBM) duelled on this point during the hearing, with IBM actually using the BSF/TSG cited cases against them, showing that the cases proved the opposite of what BSF/TSG were claiming. Even this wasn't enough to have the claims thrown out by the Magistrate Judge.

      I would venture that the only reason that these claims remain and that this entire fiasco is still underway is simply because the original TSG filed for Chapter 11 literally just before a definitive ruling from Judge Kimball that would have blown their case out of the water. I'll go further: TSG filed for bankruptcy when they did precisely because they knew that the ruling would go against them and would sink their case. Their hope was that they could file for Chapter 11, swim along beneath the surface for a bit, then return with a new argument or new case when Judge Kimball got re-assigned. What they hadn't banked on was Bankruptcy Judge Kevin Gross deciding that the reason that The SCO Group got in such a mess was because of mis-management and deciding to appoint a Trustee. In some cases, after all, the Chapter 11 company is allowed to continue under existing management but simply with a protection-from-creditors shield in place long enough for them to be able to dig themselves out from under their troubles. Useful for legitimate Chapter 11 claimants, after all...

      I'm bound to mention, as an aside, that in the view of this observer there was something decidedly fishy about the appointment of the Trustee, Cahn. During one of the bankruptcy hearings, Judge Gross made a comment on his decision to appoint a Trustee along the lines of: "Given the nature of the circumstances of this applicant - and the legal nature of their worries - it would be nice if we could find a Trustee with, I don't know, some form of legal background..."

      And then, as if by magic, along comes (retired) Judge Cahn to save the day...

      What followed - and again, in the view of this observer - was a relationship between Gross and Cahn which stretched the boundaries of due process. It would be an exaggeration for me to say that Judge Gross was fawning over the opinions of Judge Cahn, but it was abundantly clear that the former held the latter in the highest of regard and was entirely willing to let Judge Cahn do pretty much whatever he asked for - the rulings were getting signed off thick and fast and every bit as quickly as they were made.

      In a situation like this it is true to say that there were losers all round, but the one thing I found most egregious were the "incidental" victims. For example, I recall that one of the creditors [who didn't get a dime, all the while Judge Cahn paid his own company to conduct legal research into the court case] was a small Mom-and-Pop pizzeria, not far from TSGs offices, who had provided the company with "pizzas on account". I just came away with this vision of Darl McBride and Co all sat round a meeting room table, with open pizza boxes piled high while they filled their faces, only to have them chortling

  5. Re:ShemaYisrael (IBM tabulate Holocaust to SCO the by hadrianb · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you are serious when you say that "Finland was a WW2 ally of Hitler" and "they fought against the USSR" as if there would have been anything wrong about those actions, then you know nothing true about WW2 and all that you know comes only from deceitful propaganda written by those who have won the war.

    USSR was as guilty for starting WW2 as those who are usually incriminated by UK & USA, i.e. Hitler, Mussolini & Japan.

    During the first 2 years of WW2, while Germany was occupying many of its neighbors, USSR was doing exactly the same, occupying the Baltic countries and parts of Poland, Finland and Romania.

    Moreover the Russian occupation was far more oppressive than the German occupation, because a large part of the civilian population from the occupied zones was sent to work camps in Siberia, where some were murdered and many others have died from diseases caused by cold and hard work. Very few have succeeded to return.

    These are facts that I know directly, having 2 grand-grandfathers murdered by the Russians in 1940, one because he was a school teacher in a village school and the other because he had an insignificant function in the local public administration of the village, but nonetheless, both were distinguishable from the majority who were peasants and any such people were the first to be sent in Siberia to die there.

    The people of USA, UK & Western Europe have bought their freedom after WW2 not with their own money, but with the money of the people of Eastern Europe, who were offered to the Russians to be robbed, for the alliance between USA, UK & USSR to be able to defeat Germany & Japan.

    Finland and Romania who were previously victims of the Russian aggression, have tried to use the war between Germany and USSR as an opportunity to recover their own territories from the Russian occupation.

    Of course they failed because they did not foresee that USA will enter WW2 and change the balance of power.

    So the Russians kept after WW2 the occupied territories and their propaganda continues until now to claim that whoever tried to protect their properties and the life of their relatives against the Russian invaders were fascists, "Hitler allies" and so on.

    If your profession is to spread Russian propaganda, e.g. about Finland being guilty of having been a "Hitler ally", then good for you.

    But if you sincerely believe such junk, I can only pity you.