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Twitter Notifies 1.4 Million Users of Interaction With Russian Accounts (recode.net)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Recode: At least 1.4 million people on Twitter engaged with content created by Russian trolls during the 2016 presidential election, the company revealed on Wednesday. That's more than double the amount that Twitter initially identified -- and perhaps still just a fraction of the full universe of users who may have witnessed Kremlin propaganda over that period. In announcing the new data in a blog post, Twitter also said it had notified all 1.4 million affected users that they saw election disinformation. That fulfilled a pledge that the company previously made to members of Congress who are investigating Russia's tactics on social media. Notified users included those that followed one of the roughly 3,000 accounts belonging to the Internet Research Agency, the troll army tied to the Russian government, as well as users who retweeted, replied, liked or mentioned those IRA accounts in their tweets. But Twitter did not alert users who merely saw Russian troll tweets in their feeds but did not interact with the content. Nor did it reach out to users who saw tweets from the roughly 50,000 Russian bots that tweeted election-related content around November 2016.

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  1. Right about 1%.... by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 1

    Wonder who they were targeting...

    1. Re:Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Wonder who they were targeting...

      Other bots.

    2. Re:Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly!

      The liberals are pushing the idea of globalism and acceptance of other people, but they are critical of each and every person that has even the slightest interaction with somebody from Russia.

    3. Re:Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Given the proclivity of the Left to accuse others of being Russian whenever they hear an opinion they don't like, I wonder how they actually know if it's a"Russian" account or not.

      I'm sure that's a technical exercise that most of us would find interesting.

      What do you bet that they will say, "It's a secret!"

    4. Re:Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Expose children to He-Man and watch liberal heads EXPLODE!

    5. Re:Right about 1%.... by Kierthos · · Score: 0

      Anyone they could.

      Let's be honest here, the last Presidential election was divisive. Regardless of who won, bipartisanship is, if not at an all time low, pretty close to it's all time low.

      Russia wants the U.S. to be divided politically. It makes things easier for them. They could almost certainly not care who won the Presidency as long as neither party gets along with the other. And if Clinton had won, she'd have had a Republican controlled House and Senate to deal with, so she wouldn't have had any sort of cakewalk.

      About the only thing that the Russians couldn't count on was that Trump would be so blindingly incompetent. I mean, you have to figure they know he'd suck at the job, and again, that plays well for them. But this bad?

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    6. Re:Right about 1%.... by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Wonder who they were targeting..."

      Obviously the white, gullible, deplorable, believe in invisible guys in the sky, wanting a strong 'leader', voters.

    7. Re:Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So the conservatives who are anti-globalists and aren't accepting of other people, yet embracing Russia and relying on the rest of the global internet to brigade elections and public opinion are examples of what?

    8. Re: Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People from Russia aren't the problem, it's the propaganda arm of a dictator's captured intelligence intelligence services who is trying to fuck with europe thats the problem.

      But nuance has never been the right's strong suit, has it?

    9. Re:Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm confused, Hillary spent billions and lost. Russia spent a few hundred rubles and swayed the vote?

    10. Re:Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you missed the part where the FBI director handed the election to Trump by announcing a new investigation of Hillary's emails the week of the election. He later announced there was nothing there, but the damage was done by that point.

      tl;dr: We got Trump because of all the "... but her email!" jackasses.

    11. Re: Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Russia's trying to f with europe, europe's trying to f with russia, america's trying to f with everybody, everybody's trying to f with america. Yawn. That's how it's been since the beginning of civilization. Grow up.

    12. Re:Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha this is all such bollocks. If Twitter give a shite about people viewing propaganda, they'd be notifying users who'd had contact with CNN, MSNBC, FOX etc. too.

    13. Re: Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      false equivalencies abound in your statement

    14. Re:Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Russia wants the U.S. to be divided politically.

      This has been the historical norm.

      the last Presidential election was divisive. Regardless of who won, bipartisanship is, if not at an all time low, pretty close to it's all time low.

      I honestly do not believe that if Clinton had won we would have the same merry-go-round circus shit-show we have now. Sure, many GOP would do obstruct with like Obama but that is hardly new and not the same level of divisiveness.

      Part of the issue is cognitive dissonance on the left after Trump won. Because the rhetoric was "literally Hitler" they had to accept the fact that people disagree with them and try to figure out why or double down and find any excuse to validate their belief no matter how faulty or weak the evidence. Saying "The country is more racist than I thought.[1] Russians stole the election.[2] Trump only won because collusion with Russia[3]" etc is easier than to admit your were wrong or that the media that influenced your belief was wrong. There is no evidence as it stands for any of those things. If Clinton had won it would have been a "sigh of relief that we avoided disaster " and "avoided literally Hitler" and they could continue to believe what they already believed without having to face disagreement or that they might be wrong.

      Honestly, given the State of the Union address and the Democrats sitting on their hands for literally anything said, I am not sure how you can get any bipartisan agreement. I am curious how the opposition party reaction during the State of the Union can predict future agreements. Did the GOP sit for everything said by Obama or only for things they don't like? Were they able to make progress on the things they agreed on errr stand up for?

      1) The only evidence was a statistic that had hate crimes rise a little and if you break down the numbers most of the increase was attributed to more hate crimes against white men.
      2) There is no evidence that Russia changed a single vote or hacked a single voting machine.
      3) There is an investigation but as it stands now there is no evidence. Anyone claiming otherwise before the evidence is out is only looking for things to confirm their per-existing belief.

    15. Re:Right about 1%.... by Narcocide · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Traitors.

    16. Re: Right about 1%.... by Narcocide · · Score: 0

      Yes, let's all pretend civilization only began 200 years ago.

    17. Re: Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can trade and interact with other people and countries without inviting millions of third world welfare recipients into your home... You fucking imbecile.

    18. Re: Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell us about nuance, each and every time you pretend someone didn't say "illegal" before saying "Immigrant", dipshit.

    19. Re: Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why 77% of the ads targeted people who Liked Hillary Clinton, and Black Lives Matter.... You fucking imbecile.

    20. Re: Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weird how the pro Russian comments are always posted anonymously

    21. Re: Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real point of Russian interference and trolling appears to have been to create division and discontent in the US. It seems that leftists in the US were the ones who were most successfully affected and indeed are continuing to do Putinâ(TM)s work for him.

    22. Re: Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? How was it pro-russian?

    23. Re:Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it was when Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie, that's when I tuned out.

    24. Re: Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I can improve the lives of millions of third world welfare recipients without being afraid of giving up my home.

      You fucking racist.

    25. Re:Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitler had bigger hands

    26. Re:Right about 1%.... by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      So the conservatives who are anti-globalists and aren't accepting of other people...

      Hmmm. What other people are you talking about. This seems deceptively broad as a statement. I don't know any conservative who isn't accepting of ANY other people so it must be a specific group you are referring to. Can you stop beating around the bush and tell us which one you were alluding to?

    27. Re: Right about 1%.... by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      You must be the 1% then. By the way, the amount due on your taxes is only a minimum. Feel free to add on anything else you wish.

    28. Re: Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's nice for you, living in your liberal white gated community with a guard.

      For the rest of us minorities, who compete with your slave labor imports economically and for limited expensive living quarters, we want to not actually die.

      Nice "racist" accusation though. I'm sure my ancestors will forgive me, being from Mexico themselves, albeit legally (thus people you despise).

    29. Re: Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good morning, Agent Smith! How's the weather in Fort Meade today?

    30. Re:Right about 1%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you missed the part where the FBI director handed the election to Trump by announcing a new investigation of Hillary's emails the week of the election. He later announced there was nothing there, but the damage was done by that point.

      tl;dr: We got Trump because of all the "... but her email!" jackasses.

      So you're saying that if Hillary! hadn't broken the law by running that illegal email server, telling her underlings to "turn into nonpaper [with] no identifying heading and send nonsecure" (Google that if you have the balls...), and also using that illegal server to communicate with President Obama (who lied about that - you can Google that too, again if you have the balls), she'd be President?

      So a lawbreaker got bit by her own lawlessness?

      Yeah, you're probably right.

  2. Russians? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, only 1.4 million twitter users interacted with Russians...

    How many twitter users are Russians themselves. 1.39 million?

  3. While you were distracted by Nunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trump refused to implement the sanctions law, claiming the mere threat of sanctions was working.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-sanctions/trump-administration-holds-off-on-new-russia-sanctions-despite-law-idUSKBN1FI2V7

    However his CIA chief says Russia has not let up attacking the USA and expects Russia to interfere in the US Midterm elections:
    http://time.com/5124313/cia-mike-pompeo-russia-midterm-elections/

    Republicans should clean house, Nunes is blowing a smoke screen to hide Russian attacks on the US elections, and you can't have the Republican head of the Intelligence oversight committee giving cover for a *foreign* intelligence agency to attack the US.

    1. Re:While you were distracted by Nunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I haven't seen any evidence that Russia ever attacked us in any way, nor that they hacked our elections, something Obama and Clinton said could not happen when it was them being accused of it before the election.

    2. Re:While you were distracted by Nunes by Khyber · · Score: 0

      "I haven't seen any evidence that Russia ever attacked us in any way, nor that they hacked our elections"

      Well, here you go, then, direct from Russian State TV, discussing Trump refusing sanctions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Female anchor: "Looks like Trump is back in our pocket again"
      Male Anchor: "Seems that way."

      The Russians clearly don't give a shit about broadcasting the fact they've been fucking around in our politics.

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    3. Re:While you were distracted by Nunes by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      Trump refused to implement the sanctions law

      From your article: "Shortly before midnight (0500 GMT) on Monday, the Treasury Department released an unclassified “oligarchs” list, including 114 senior Russian political figures and 96 business people. .... the law mandated that the U.S. Treasury and State Departments, and intelligence agencies, compile a list of political figures and business people close to Putin’s government and network, for potential future sanctions. "

      According to your own link the administration followed the law. I heard this same crap on NPR this morning. "They only followed the law to the bare minimum. The bare minimum is not following the law!". Bare minimum is more than Obama not enforcing immigration law. More double standards and more lies from the media.

    4. Re: While you were distracted by Nunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have an incredibly retarded low bar for "evidence".

      "Some random non-government people somewhere in Russia made a joke on local TV about Trump, thus proving Trump was installed by Putin."

      You can't really be this fucking stupid, can you? I can't imagine how painfully difficult your life is, being completely incapable of even the most basic critical thought. You are a complete and total fucking moron.

    5. Re:While you were distracted by Nunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russian's puppet sold some 40 million in weapons to Ukraine.

      https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21731662-personal-sanctions-against-regime-cronies-are-especially-tough-new-sanctions-are-about

      "The new law, signed in August, entrenches and in places tightens the sanctions of 2014, which have cut off Russian firms from most Western sources of financing"

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/europe/russia-sanctions-explainer/index.html

      Direct from US sources.

    6. Re:While you were distracted by Nunes by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Nunes is blowing a smoke screen to hide Russian attacks on the US elections

      If that was true, then the democrats wouldn't be fighting tooth and fucking nail to try and stop the memo from being released. Hell look at the democrat and media narrative over the last week. It's gone from "it's nunes so bad" to "people are too stupid to understand it(this is different then the context claim)" to "we're releasing our own memo" to "no don't release the memo at all" to "the memo was written by the russians" and on and on. The freakout by pelosi, schiff, maxine waters, and so on is both hilarious and deeply troubling.

      But I guess we'll find out exactly what's in it tomorrow, and I have a feeling we're going to find out that the Obama administration broke the law. That multiple people in the FBI broke the law, that the entire basis of the russia investigation was based on false and/or fabricated political hearsay.

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    7. Re:While you were distracted by Nunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need Voter ID now!!!!

      We can't let illegal russians vote in our election!!!

      captcha: regimes

    8. Re:While you were distracted by Nunes by mikeiver1 · · Score: 1

      The facts don't support your assertion at this time. The length of the Muller investigation would tend to lend credence to the fact that your statement is in fact most likely false. If in fact there was little to no evidence of collusion between the Russians and some, and likely more than some, in the trump campaign this would have been wrapped up long ago. Factor in as well that there has literally been not a word out of Muller or his investigators for the duration of this investigation and I think that inference is rather compellingly in favor of there in fact being a far from tenuous tie between them.

  4. Twitter Notifies All Users of Interaction with US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twitter Notifies All Users of Interaction with US accounts

  5. One simple fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Put a flag icon of the accounts country of origin over their tweets. That way you can see where it's coming from.

    1. Re: One simple fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Joe Schmoe does not know flags.

    2. Re: One simple fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's red white and blue that means America, right?

    3. Re:One simple fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know that the tweets didn't come from a domestic political group with their own agenda using VPNs to make it appear as it originated in Russia?

    4. Re: One simple fix. by amalcolm · · Score: 1

      You can learn a lot from Lydia

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    5. Re: One simple fix. by amalcolm · · Score: 1

      Lydia, oh! Lydia, say have you met Lydia
      Oh! Lydia, the tattooed lady
      She has eyes that folks adore so
      And a torso even more so
      Lydia, oh! Lydia, that "Encyclopedia"
      Oh! Lydia, the Queen of tattoo
      On her back is the Battle of Waterloo
      Beside it the Wreck of the Hesperus too
      And proudly above waves
      The Red, White and Blue
      You can learn a lot from Lydia

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    6. Re: One simple fix. by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      Rufus T. Firefly for President!

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    7. Re:One simple fix. by XXongo · · Score: 1

      Put a flag icon of the accounts country of origin over their tweets. That way you can see where it's coming from.

      Yes, because the internet is so well regulated that you can't disguise country of origin using, say, a VPN or an anonymous relay.

      Oh, wait, that was sarcasm. Yes, in fact you can disguise country of origin.

    8. Re:One simple fix. by dwillden · · Score: 1

      So Twitter should just ask all accounts to indicate their real country of origin. Problem solved right? ;)

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    9. Re:One simple fix. by XXongo · · Score: 1

      So Twitter should just ask all accounts to indicate their real country of origin. Problem solved right? ;)

      Exactly. Just like Facebook asks all accounts to use their real name, so there aren't any trolls or bots on facebook.

    10. Re:One simple fix. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      XXongo isn't your real name?

      My whole life is a lie.

    11. Re:One simple fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, do it on Slashdot. Getting real tired of bogaboga and his brigade of vatniks posting mindless pro-Russian dribble on every second article.

  6. OH NOES!!!! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So Russia really is an Evil Empire?

    Mitt Romney was right and Obama was wrong? Obama's "The 1980s called and want their foreign policy back" was delusional?

    Thanks for FINALLY starting to see reality, progtards!

  7. Just waiting for Slashdot to post its report. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've been investigating Russian Trolls on Slashdot, so now we just need the report for the names.

  8. We need examples of the elleged Russian action by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When it comes to trolling, I will be most grateful if anyone presents clear-cut example(s) of what Russians are alleged to have exposed to us.

    I have a feeling it's not that different when compared to what the US agencies do themselves.

    So folks, spit out some examples.

    1. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      exactly. i mean, if they are pushing truth and not lies, shouldnt we be more upset with our own government for lying to us??

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    2. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by bsDaemon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The best I can figure is, they leveraged two pillars of a free society: freedom of press and freedom of speech, by posting on open social media platforms and buying ads. Some people donâ(TM)t like the outcome and refuse to accept that after 30+ years of dealing with Clintons in the political spotlight, enough people in strategically important locations were sick of it to not vote for her. It must have been a few months of social media lies by Russians!

      The burried lead here is essentially that Democrats are insisting that Trump voters are easily misled idiots incapable of rational thought. BUT if they had believed different social media bias and voted for Clinton, then they would obviously be independent thinkers.

      I didnâ(TM)t vote for Trump. I think heâ(TM)s crass and shallow. But I didnâ(TM)t vote for Hillary because I donâ(TM)t want her to be president either. I will also say this much: I have no appreciation for those who say âoeif you donâ(TM)t agree with me you are an easily duped idiot who made up his mind because of a tweet.â

    3. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by guruevi · · Score: 2

      I'm not on either Facebook or Twitter, I have an IQ greater than 70 after all, but I would love to see some hard evidence and messages that these trolls send out. I'm sure there is much ads and bots going around Twitter/Facebook but it reminds me more of IRC in the late 90s.

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    4. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by burtosis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      exactly. i mean, if they are pushing truth and not lies, shouldnt we be more upset with our own government for lying to us??

      Whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you trying to say that maybe we should focus on what's actually important, affecting us daily, and under our control?!? Good, because I'm pretty sure the answer is in her goddamn emails.

    5. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1

      The burried lead here is essentially that Democrats are insisting that Trump voters are easily misled idiots incapable of rational thought. BUT if they had believed different social media bias and voted for Clinton, then they would obviously be independent thinkers.

      Not all, but some.

      This bit of your post is yet another example of the all-or-nothing, this-side versus that-side attitude that is the real problem. There are idiots and independent thinkers on both sides of the aisle and the sooner we all realize that and work from a place of cooperation, the better. And stop blaming the "other side" for not being able to get there.

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    6. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Since the Ukrainian vote to join the EU, Russia has gone on an all-out propaganda offensive with the intention to split the west and weaken NATO. Russia regards the Ukraine as its "home-turf" and buffer against perceived NATO "aggression", and it regards the EU as the gateway to NATO membership for eastern European countries that were formally part of the Soviet Union.
      Russia feels as if NATO is encroaching on its sphere of influence and waging an "underhanded" war of political expansion. Looking at a map you will see how one by one, former Soviet republics have been converted into NATO countries.
      Russia also feels that this NATO expansion is a violation of a promise made to Gorbachev at the dissolution of the Soviet Union, that NATO would not expand to the east.
      For this reasons Russia has decided to go on the offensive and start fighting NATO. Not by military means, since it does not have the means to seriously compete with NATO, but by information warfare, taking full advantage of the traits of our open societies, such as freedom of speech and of the press. Using fake news and trolls that sow discontent and dissent, it intends to cause a rift between our countries and institutions.
      Russian agents already provided plenty of cannon fodder to the Brexit crew and succeeded in swaying public opinion. Everything that causes a rift through the EU and NATO is good for Russia.
      Russia is very active in spreading fake news and inciting discontent around far-right groups in Europe, using the refugee crisis to full effect (fake news about rapists, terrorists and other criminals among refugees) to strengthen the far-right and to politically destabilize European nations, especially Germany and France. Fortunately these activities have only had marginal success thus far, with the far-right Front National in France and the AfD in Germany gaining some votes, but not enough to pose a serious threat to the political establishment.
      It had resounding success in the U.S. were it just so managed to tip the scale in favor of Trump, the weaker candidate, and the US government and especially foreign policy is practically paralyzed and ineffectual at the moment. If you want some information or evidence on these activities, it's really only a good google search away.
      Russian activities in Germany and Europe:
      https://www.nato.int/docu/Revi...
      http://time.com/4889471/german...
      https://www.politico.eu/articl...
      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...

      On Russia's overall strategy and interference in the US:
      https://www.newyorker.com/maga...
      http://www.slate.com/articles/...

      That should be a good start to get an idea.

    7. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by nedlohs · · Score: 2

      Both sides were being played - it wasn't just pro trump but more a "sow discord". At least those are the allegations. For example:

      http://www.houstonpress.com/ne...
      http://www.foxnews.com/politic...

      It's not Trump voters are idiots for believing Russian trolls, it's there are enough idiots on both sides that it's easy to manufacture conflict - which then gets reported in the media creating more conflict and on we go.

    8. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Leave poor Hillary alone! All of those 20k+ emails were nothing more than yoga class and preparations for her daughter's birthday. She told us. She simply made the mistake of storing them in a secret server installed in her bathroom. Anyone here could have easily made the same mistake, so let's end this witch hunt!

    9. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a feeling it's not that different when compared to what the US agencies do themselves.

      So folks, spit out some examples.

      Russian activities were narrowly and selectively declassified by the Obama administration to make it look like just Russia and just the 2016 election for partisan political purposes to weaken the incoming administration.

      There are probably plenty of examples of Russian hacking and meddling... Carefully selected facts in the context of a false narrative.

      If you look at things like trying to influence US politicians to gain favorable relations, buying advertising through third party companies or influencing news organizations to report more or less favorably about one candidate or another or even hacking US computer systems... then if you seriously believe it was ONLY the Russians, then I have a Facebook ad to sell you.

      This is a Clinton and Democratic Party campaign narrative that has gone too far.

    10. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good, because I'm pretty sure the answer is in her goddamn emails.

      No, not "her emails." Rather, "Her willingness to look you in the eye and lie non-stop for a year about her deliberate mishandling of classified material in a way that would lose anyone else their clearance and their job, and likely put them in serious legal jeopardy ... and the willingness of a few key people in the FBI and DoJ to do everything possible to make sure she was held to a different and - by comparison - completely toothless standard for purely partisan political reasons, to make sure she became the next boss of all of those people who would lose their jobs and their liberty if they did anything even approaching what she did, and which everyone near her insisted on getting immunity agreements to even talk about."

      And, at this point, it wouldn't really matter. Except that what the purely partisan year-long witch hunt we're currently witnessing is based on is a collection of decisions and actions made by some of those very same Clinton-backing partisans in the FBI and DoJ. Yes, that IS under our control. Those people shouldn't be in that line of work. There are a jillion other things that would more constructively benefit from all of the energy the left is currently putting into their phony, theatrical hysterics. But they still can't get over the fact they put Hillary Clinton forward as their candidate, and lost because she was a terrible candidate who went out of her way to exhibit her disdain for - among other things - millions of women she called deplorable. Or the entire state of Wisconsin, in which she couldn't even be troubled to set foot during her campaign. So to make up for their terrible performance and choices, the Democrats and the majority of the media, which carry their water, are standing around with their hair on fire pretending it's all about something else, and wasting all of our time and energy. Yes, we can do something about that, and should. Because we have other stuff to do.

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    11. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you people have against Ivan? He's a co-worker of mine, born and raised in Houston, TX. He works hard. And yes, he likes Apple products, and though I razz him about that a bit, I don't feel it deserves outright abuse.

    12. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by pastafazou · · Score: 1

      Exactly. How many of these "russian bots" were actually controlled by Kremlin, and not just bots some company leased to spread advertising that happened to be created by a Russian programmer...

    13. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no clear evidence of a strategy, so it's "sow discord" ... great.

      That or TOR exit nodes.

    14. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as truth outside formal logic. By definition.

    15. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you can't seem to be able to Google it yourself, I'll do it for you:
      https://www.google.com/search?...

      I'm sure you'll find more than one example.

    16. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congrats. You've just proved yourself a total moron.

    17. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try, Comrade.

    18. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you look at that? It's old vatnik shitposter bogaboga here with the whataboutism yet again.

    19. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Xylantiel · · Score: 1

      No, false-flag operations are not "free speech". They are fraud and should be exposed. Which has nothing to do with who won.

      You are pushing a fallacy: We shouldn't sort out what disinformation there was because Trump won for other reasons. That has so little logical coherence that is tough to believe that you aren't a troll paid to push that talking point.

    20. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as I can tell, they haven't bothered releasing examples because they were stupid meme posts. The official story has dwindled from "massive hacking" to this latest claim that Russia spent something like a total of maybe $20 across Twitter and Facebook promoting dumb political memes.

      And that's it. Apparently a couple of silly memes were what did in Clinton, not her failing to engage blue collar workers. Or literally telling them she would put them out of work.

    21. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Other examples include fake groups like "Antifa Boston". If you search Slashdot (google with site:slashdot.org is a good option) you can see quite a few people on here complaining about them, and influencing others.

      @SouthLoneStar is another infamous one on Twitter, spewing fake news that went viral such as a photo supposedly showing a Muslim woman ignoring a terror attack victim. That's a good one to google as a starting point in your research.

      The UK was hit quite hard too. @DavidJo52951945 or "David Jones" was claiming to be an ordinary British citizen and had over 100,000 followers, but was exposed as a Russian troll.

      The media frequently re-posted some of these tweets. The guardian investigated if you are interested.

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    22. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      This kind of comment shows how effective at poisoning the well works. There is no need for critical thought on the message if you can dismiss the messenger with a single word.

      To pivot a little, one argument being made is that we should know "who" donates to PACs, Super-PACs, online ads, and online groups so we know their "true" motives. Initially, sounds great but it is very much like poisoning the well. I don't need to think about the position if I can dismiss it as a Kock or Mercer propaganda piece. I wonder, would that position apply in the US South in 1850's for anti-slavery political spending. Would you care that the person promoting anti-slave positions in the south would face consequences for their position by deanonymizing them? Can their message stand on it's own merits and why would it change today?

      The point is that any message should be judged by its own merit and sometimes knowing who said the message is irrelevant. If the best you can do is dismiss any message because someone you don't like said it then you are intellectually lazy and lack critical thinking abilities.

    23. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      this response right here, this is the nonsense that tells us you guys dont have any real arguments. When presented with a thought your first response it to cry russia. Sad really

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    24. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by bogaboga · · Score: 1

      I have done some homework. All these entities you cite are the same ones that reported IRAQ as having WMDs. In short, they were regurgitating what some would call government propaganda.

      Result? An endless war with so many lives lost.

    25. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 1

      As far as I remember, it was the Bush administration who was pushing the made up WMD story in Iraq and feeding the bogus "evidence" to media and allies..

    26. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and they were dumb enough to vote for a complete idiot

      Drumpf makes Dan Quayle look like a fricken genius

    27. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by bogaboga · · Score: 1

      As far as I remember, it was the Bush administration who was pushing the made up WMD story in Iraq and feeding the bogus "evidence" to media and allies..

      As far as I remember, it was the Bush administration who was pushing the made up WMD story in Iraq and feeding the bogus "evidence" to media and allies who regurgitated the lies as they seem to be doing now.

      Let me ask again: Where's the irrefutable evidence?

    28. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There might be something in her emails, but the real meat is in the DNC's emails. There you will find actual fraud. The party is not letting anybody see those servers, DUH! And while we're on the subject, the vote count from the democratic primaries is awfully suspicious for the same reasons. The democratic party itself is the elephant in the room. And I have to admit they are doing a good job of covering ti up. This year's vote will still keep the ~50/50 split.

      When I heard the chanting during his speech, I knew we were finished as a country. We are quickly becoming and are electing vicious animals, and this time there's no place to run. We are going to eat each until there is only one rat left.

    29. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 1

      The question is, what will people like you who are always demanding "evidence" accept as evidence? If the many, reputable sources, such as independent journalists of the BBC or New York Times are not trusted by you, who will you trust?
      I could cite as an example for the Russian fake news intended to agitate, that is mentioned in one of my links this Wikipedia page:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

      But if you don't trust the BBC or the New York Times, then you will probably not trust Wikipedia either, right? Or the citations in Wikipedia. So what will you trust? Do you expect me to personally deliver you some documents? Those could be faked too. Do you want to have a personal appointment with the girl to find out the truth? She could have been pressured into lying.
      In the end it comes down to what sources you decide to trust and which not. Or maybe the "show me the evidence" is also just a convenient excuse to dismiss what you don't want to hear so you may remain with your preconceived notions.

    30. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The results found in Iraq after the US had total control of Iraq showed what the ""evidence" accept as evidence" resulted in.
      The trusted media was given junk fictional intel stories to spin.
      Now more people have the internet and can question the same attempts at spin for the next military adventure.

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    31. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this post modded Troll? It's the only truthful post in this whole thread. Mod parent Insightful!

    32. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perjury isn't a big deal when it's someone I like!

    33. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by NeoTubNinja · · Score: 1

      No. We just elected a president whose existence is predicated upon lies. I'm not saying nobody else lies (everybody does to some degree or another), but if we can put trust in somebody who says things that are verifiably false, like how much more popular his inauguration was vs Obama's, how do we expect "truth" to become a norm?

      At one point politicians at least tried to spin the truth to fit their agenda. Now they've figured out lies and heated emotions carry more weight than facts and level-headedness. Finger-pointing works wonders. "That Mexican took my jerb!!!!!!!!!"

    34. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      You find examples realtime at https://dashboard.securingdemo...

    35. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err... only three former Soviet republics have joined NATO - Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania - and there was no "one by one" about it, they all joined at the same time (29 March 2004). Yes, this is always talked up as the great Russian fear, but in truth it's sheer paranoia. Quite possibly it's used as a smokescreen to cover (for domestic consumption, at least) Russia's naked aggression against Ukraine, Georgia and elsewhere.

    36. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      But you didn't worry about that when you heard, say, all of the anti-Bush chanting, and watched him routinely being burned in effigy? You're only NOW worrying about how people chant?

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    37. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all of the anti-Bush chanting, and watched him routinely being burned in effigy?

      Inside the House? During a state of the union address? By actual elected representatives from the "opposing" party? I'm sorry, I didn't hear about that, but yes, that would indeed be very upsetting. I doubt the fire marshal would allow it though. They won't even let you light a cigarette.

      You're off your rocker, dude. We can expect people who have been harmed to rant and rave in the street all day long. I mean, look at what you people were doing during the eight years before Trump, all over the TV and everything. I expect better from elected officials in high office, but as always, I am clearly in the tiny minority on such matters. The voters prefer to project a more accurate image of themselves to the world. WYSIWYG

      Anyway, let's quit fucking around and cut to the chase. The DNC emails reveal much more wrongdoing than Hillary's emails. The corruption is in the party. The politicians just wear a clown suit and drive a silly car to call our attention. They are just following orders.

    38. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      So basically you believe every lie shoveled out by BBC and NYT. Nice to know.

      C'mon man, I was a kid in university when I realized NYT was choc full o' lies. Grow up.

    39. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How's the weather in Kiev today?

    40. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that you have provided a somewhat accurate portrayal of the circumstances, although you fail to acknowledge that a wider anti-globalist sentiment might exist independently of Russian propaganda, and even be justified. (Disclaimer: I am from northern Europe, and watching the territorial competition between NATO and Russia is like watching a game of tug-of-war, a great dissappointment, especially considering that for a naive moment we considered the Cold War to be over.)

    41. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Wizardess · · Score: 1

      And that buries the lede because you presume rather than prove that the content people interacted with was designed to promote Trump or for fantastical reasons denigrate Clinton. There is no reasoning behind such a presumption. There is a good reason for the opposite of the presumption above, however. Why should Putin hate the woman who just authorized the sale of 20% of US uranium stock to Russia?
      {o.o} Just sayin'

    42. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      We can expect people who have been harmed to rant and rave in the street all day long.

      The problem is we've got people who have NOT been harmed doing things like beating people bloody and smashing campuses because ... somebody's going to make a seminar appearance and ... talk.

      The DNC emails reveal much more wrongdoing than Hillary's emails.

      Yes and no. They reveal a corrupt organization, and her aggressive willingness to use it to game the party's support towards her and away from someone like Sanders. We see her willingness to cheat during debates, etc. But that's NOT the same as committing felony offenses while being Secretary of State, and having political supporters in the DoJ and FBI making it all go away. Not sure how you're missing the context, here.

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    43. Re:We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that's NOT the same as committing felony offenses while being Secretary of State

      Wrong, there is every reason to believe that she and the party perpetrated real election fraud. And this would be easier to prove had they not "burned the tapes". As far as her business while she was secretary of state, she was selling weapons to terrorists, through Libya, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, that is the real Benghazi story, it was a botched transfer. Unless there are details in those emails, I don't care about them. I want to go after her for real crimes. Her server is a distraction. Apparently a good one, since that's where the obsessions are. You're simply following official narrative that actually protects her with these diversions.

    44. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by guruevi · · Score: 1

      I don't see any examples there, it just seems to trigger on hashtags Democrats don't like. The top right now is Trump, FISA, memo etc which seems rather newsworthy, not factually incorrect.

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    45. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian action by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Other times you'll see other hashtags that Democrats don't care about. It's usually just whatever narrative they're trying to push + some top news stories to fit in

  9. Re:Oh shut up BeauHD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello Ivan, you aren't fooling anyone aside from your fellow retards.

  10. Trolls, political campaigns, difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Which should beg the question: What's the difference between foreign political trolling and domestic political campaigning? We already allow corporations and any domestic actor to express their political opinions, constructively and not. Is it somehow different when it's a foreign actor?

    "... commit myself to defend ... the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ..."

    1. Re: Trolls, political campaigns, difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Is it somehow different when it's a foreign actor?"

      Yes. Yes it is. The fact that you feel you need to even ask that question is frightening. What the hell is wrong with you?

  11. Re:We need examples of the alleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There was a claim, [possibly made by Vlado himself,] that many of the Russian IPv4's interacting with Twitter traffic were due to TOR exit servers based in Russia.

    So we are back to a verifiable {micro-sized airborne particles of combustion origin and planar reflective surfaces} situation

  12. Overblown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article says "Saw", not interacted... Hmm. Bias from the subby?

    So, let me paraphrase the concern: About 191 million Americans use facebook. Each one scrolls though dozens of political BS memes every day/week. 1.4 million of the 191 million probably scrolled past one of the memes that they say Russians produced.

    So, the Russians absolutely suck at pushing out misinformation and this whole thing is vastly overblown.

  13. Get used to it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a world connected through the internet. We better get used to outside influences. Otherwise we will have to decide for ourselves how much we want to censor outside connections. Personally I think most American's can filter through the muck just fine in a election. I am less concerned about Russia on social sites, then in out voting stations which so far have proven to be unfounded. My question is, why is Russia the only country focused on? I am pretty sure we probably see China and others doing similar social engineering of news.

    1. Re: Get used to it by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Maybe because a lot of well-connected Americans have made a tidy little profit selling our country up the river to the Chinese?

  14. Trump Dossier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was collusion with Russia to influence the election. Clinton's campaign, and DNC, paid $12 million to get false Russian propaganda against Trump. They then gave it to the FBI, which used it to wire tap Trump tower during the election, with no real attempt to vet if the documents were factual. When it came time to renew the FISA warrant, Rosenstein asked Sydney Blumenthal, a Clinton campaign worker, if the document was true and he said yet. That was good enough for the FBI. The warrant was renewed and Trump tower was then wiretapped for an additional 3 months.

    So, you wanted to know what Russia's involvement was. There you go. They worked with Clinton, the FBI, and the DOJ to prevent Trump from winning and then after he won to try and remove him from office. There is evidence of this, but there is no evidence of Trump working with Russia.

    Funny how I am able to figure this all out while working a full time job, and Muller hasn't figured it out yet. It's almost as if Muller is ALSO working with the Russians to attempt to invalidate the election to this day.

    1. Re:Trump Dossier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This may be the most correct succinct explanation offered to date. Bang-on! Nice one!

    2. Re:Trump Dossier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this modded down? The Nunes memo proves it. This is fact. This is what happened. There is evidence.

    3. Re:Trump Dossier by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      All the Nunes memo proves is that there are elements of the GOP that are willing to distort facts, cherry pick findings, and strip context so that what they present makes them look good despite being materially inaccurate.

    4. Re:Trump Dossier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't figure anything out, this is a literal copypaste from right wing propaganda talking points. Luckily only right wingers fall for such easily debunked bull though :)

    5. Re:Trump Dossier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The majority of the people who have read the memo say it's devastating to the continued Mueller anti-Trump witchhunt. It's going to be released to everyone tomorrow. We'll all get to see exactly how corrupt the Obama DOJ and FBI were when they started their campaign to block Trump from the White House, all while ignoring the Clinton's continued criminal dealings with, among others, Russia.

    6. Re: Trump Dossier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You tell 'em, Boris!

  15. "Distracted by Nunes"!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So you think it's OK for senior law enforcement people in the FBI and DoJ to even contemplate things like "insurance policies" against candidates they don't like?

    "Insurance policies" against that candidate being ELECTED???

    Are you a dropped-on-your-head-at-birth utter FUCKING MORON, or an actual dyed-in-the-wool totalitarian?

  16. Whitewashing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Of course, no mention of the paid proposals straight from the European finalists and Chinese government cheering for Bernie and Hillary. Because that want"bad", that was free speech.

    1. Re:Whitewashing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That also never happened, which is why there is no mention.

  17. Real question is .... by JuliceMTL · · Score: 2

    how many users engaged with content created by american trolls?

    1. Re: Real question is .... by guruevi · · Score: 4, Funny

      How many followers does CNN have?

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    2. Re:Real question is .... by NeoTubNinja · · Score: 1

      I would still rather deal with trolls than bots. At least trolls have to put in some effort, even if it's low.

    3. Re: Real question is .... by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      CNN isn't a troll, they're the ones that feed the trolls and respond to every stupid thing

    4. Re: Real question is .... by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      CNN is a semi-official propaganda organ, not a mere troll.

  18. Stop the madness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My god stop it already!

  19. Who they were targetting by XXongo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wonder who they were targeting...

    In fact, it's pretty clear that they were targeting America in general.

    Despite the popular thinking, all the evidence is that they weren't actually trying to help one political party over another-- their intent was just to disrupt American society, and the democratic process, any way that they could.

    (and not just America-- they wanted to disrupt western European countries as well. And, of course, it all stems from their attempts to destabilize Ukraine.)

    1. Re:Who they were targetting by Layzej · · Score: 1

      It would be interesting to get a hold of the dataset and use it as the corpus for a word2vec vector space model. An obvious use would be to create a Russian troll detector, but there are many other academic (and possibly some mischievous) uses.

    2. Re:Who they were targetting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Neville Chamberlain would be proud of you, maybe we should send an apology to Vladimir

    3. Re:Who they were targetting by XXongo · · Score: 1

      The Russian trolling, basically, was to amplify all divisive comments (from either direction-- they didn't care.).

    4. Re:Who they were targetting by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      In Neville Chamberlain's defense, he knew that A) Hitler was going to go back on his word, but that B) the UK was not ready to fight a war against Germany. He was in zugzwang, and made the least bad choice he could given the situation. In the long run, it bought the UK enough time to build up a sufficient military to fend off German attacks until the USSR, and later the US, could turn back the Wehrmacht.

    5. Re:Who they were targetting by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is mostly true. Their primary objective was definitely to divide the populace and undermine liberal democracy, and they went so far as to organize opposing protests in adjacent locations. But it isn't true that they didn't care who won. They definitely preferred for Trump to win - they just assumed that there was no way US voters would be that stupid, and focused on undermining the legitimacy of the system as a whole. But as Mencken said, "Americans are dumber than horse shit." (That is the quote, right?) And here we are.

    6. Re: Who they were targetting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Yeah, CNN and leftists in general are doing a fine job of that without any Russian help.

      They literally stormed out of a State of the Union address when people started cheering, "USA."

      Imagine hating yourself, your friends, and your family so much that you have to leave the room when someone cheers for them.

    7. Re: Who they were targetting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's not that everyone thinks the progressive left have become far too authoritarian and are fed up of them, then? It was really the Russians all along? Wow, you guys are soooo in denial.

    8. Re:Who they were targetting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm really quite shocked people believe this obvious nonsense. There was real AstroTurfing: Correct The Record, for instance. American organizations spent a much greater sum of money trying to influence the public one way or another than the Russians.

      What's particularly stupid about all this is that anyone who has been paying attention can see just how divided the public already is. We certainly don't need any Russian interference to hate one another. We do an excellent job of that as is.

      "Disrupt" the democratic process...to what end? Clearly Putin has gained nothing from his "meddling". Russia-hating/blaming has reached a fever pitch, and I find it troubling. Shades of McCarthyism, Americans turning on Americans, calling one another bots and stooges. This situation is absurd.

      Trump is terrible, Hillary is terrible, barely half the country turned out to vote...America needs to look in the mirror for once.

    9. Re:Who they were targetting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty much thinking that Hillary calling half of America Deplorable [...]

      Let's put some numbers on this.

      Hillary called half of Donald's supporters deplorable, and the other half people with genuine grievances that weren't being addressed by mainstream politics.

      For an upper estimate, we will take "Donald's supporters" as "people who voted for Donald in the election". This is about 27.3% of the voting eligible population or 25.5% of the voting age population. So she was talking about approximately 13.7% of the VEP and 12.6% of the VAP.

      For a lower estimate, we will use the fact that Hillary was speaking before the election and take "Donald's supporters" as "people who voted for Donald in the primaries". This was 14,015,993 voters, which translates to 3% of the VEP, 2.8% of the VAP, and 2.2% of the US population.

      Whichever way you calculate it, it's not even close to half of America. And this isn't even making allowances for the fact that the word "half" is inherently imprecise.

      Now I don't know about you, but saying that 3% of the US population are a basket of deplorables seems like an underestimate to me.

    10. Re: Who they were targetting by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Wrong on all three sentences. As the GP said, Russian trolls only had to amplify divisions that were already there. And, I would add, not by much.

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    11. Re: Who they were targetting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine being a colossal prick that claims "they" (being the democratic party) stormed out of the state of the union. But hey, why tell the truth eh?

      Right here is why you are a liar or just quite uninformed and programmed to believe whatever fox tells you..

      What I also find interesting is you think that somehow a person getting up and walking out of Trump's speech implies he hates America? This is a free country and exercising ones right to stand up and depart for any reason is their business and not subject to your approval.

    12. Re:Who they were targetting by mjwx · · Score: 1

      In Neville Chamberlain's defense, he knew that A) Hitler was going to go back on his word, but that B) the UK was not ready to fight a war against Germany.

      The UK also suffered economic troubles in the 1920's and spent most of the 30's recovering, so not spending a lot on military R&D.

      Beyond this, Neville Chamberlain was actually the one to issue the declaration of war against Nazi Germany (UK declared war on Germany, not the other way around).

      Hitler had never counted on the UK or France entering the war to save eastern European nations but the UK had given Poland a guarantee of intervention if Germany ever invaded they would declare war in 1937. If anything, Hitler had hoped his piece of paper would work and keep western Europe out of a conflict. Hitlers target was always the Soviet Union, he even wrote about invading it in 1925 in Mein Kampf. Stalin was the biggest fool pre-war for thinking that Hitler would keep to the Molotov-Ribentrop pact.

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  20. Can't get an answer if you don't pay attention by XXongo · · Score: 1

    Given the proclivity of the Left to accuse others of being Russian whenever they hear an opinion they don't like, I wonder how they actually know if it's a"Russian" account or not.

    Hmm-- did you try, perhaps, actually following the links to the articles that answer that question? No?

    So, you didn't actually want to know, did you.

    F'ing anonymous cowards. I expect you are a Russian troll.

    1. Re:Can't get an answer if you don't pay attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ya... nothing in the links specifically talk about how they identify that an account was opened by a "Russian"

      They use terms like, "Linked with" and other vague phrases. But nothing that says they can prove an account was opened in this location by some individual. If I were in Southern CA and opened an account and posted material similar to what they claim are Russian accounts, they'd likely claim I was a Russian.

      More likely they are simply choosing what accounts to claim are Russian based solely on their content.

      If you have a better explanation, I'm listening.

      BTW, calling someone a Russian simply because you don't like their messages is pretty much the bottom of the barrel when it comes to any kind of discussion. Conceptually, it's no different than scoffing at someone and dismissing them as a N*ger or K*ke, or any other racist pejorative. It is pure intellectually laziness and an explicit admission that you have lost the argument.

  21. MUH RUSSIA!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    2016: Birther loons are deservedly ridiculed.

    2017/18: Muh Russia loons approach the Birther crazy level, but in some cases they are the exact same people who laughed at the birthers.

    Define irony !

    1. Re:MUH RUSSIA!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's how it works: $tactic is bad until we have enough power/coordination to find $tactic useful for ourselves. See: morons who think adopting right-winger lingo isn't just alienating non-culture-warrior left-wingers.

    2. Re:MUH RUSSIA!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your English needs some serious work, Ivan.

    3. Re: MUH RUSSIA!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually no. His English is just fine.

  22. You don't see evidence you don't look at by XXongo · · Score: 4, Informative

    I haven't seen any evidence that Russia ever attacked us in any way,

    Depends on what you mean by "attacked". What they did was spread disruptive messages primarily through social media, with the apparent intent of sowing discord and animosity. If you "haven't seen evidence", I take it to mean that you haven't actually looked at any of the evidence.

    I will point out, however, that what they seem to have done here is not actually illegal. They posted messages. Turns out it's legal to post messages of almost any sort. (They may have violated terms of service by using a bot army to do a lot of this... but it's not clear that violating terms of service is actually a crime).

    Except for the part about breaking into the DNC email system. That part actually was illegal.

    nor that they hacked our elections,

    Depends on what you mean by "hacked our elections". There's no evidence, for example, that they ever successfully broke into voting machines to change votes (although there is some evidence that they did some probing). What they did was use their army of bots to spread disruptive messages. Is that "hacking an election?" Well, if social hacking is "hacking."

    something Obama and Clinton said could not happen when it was them being accused of it before the election.

    Interesting, but, no, neither one of them ever said that it's impossible to hack an election. They did not say this.

    1. Re:You don't see evidence you don't look at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What they did was spread disruptive messages primarily through social media, with the apparent intent of sowing discord and animosity.

      So, basically something called "opinions".

      And definitely what we here in Europe would label "freedom of speech".

      Except for the part about breaking into the DNC email system. That part actually was illegal.

      Correct, but those mails were released to the public, so they could see who they were really voting for. Allowing people to know who they are voting for is an important part of something called "democracy".

      If you "haven't seen evidence", I take it to mean that you haven't actually looked at any of the evidence.

      And I take it that neither have you, because if you knew of any evidence, you would need to accuse Russia of attempting democracy and freedom of speech.

    2. Re:You don't see evidence you don't look at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan--Craig Murray--claimed to have personally met the DNC leaker and to have played a part in transferring the leaks to Wikileaks. This claim has not once been reported on the mainstream media, nor has Murray been summoned to testify in the investigation. Perhaps he is lying, perhaps not. How can we know, when no one in the US has made any effort to investigate his claims?

      The very fact that he has been so thoroughly ignored suggests to me that the investigation is for political purposes, and the truth is inconvenient.

      I say this not because I'm a Trump supporter--I am most definitely not--but because I dislike McCarthyism and this new Cold War that "The Resistance" is so eager to embrace.

    3. Re:You don't see evidence you don't look at by NeoTubNinja · · Score: 1

      And I take it that neither have you, because if you knew of any evidence, you would need to accuse Russia of attempting democracy and freedom of speech.

      LOL. Would you say the Westboro Baptist Church is also promoting democracy and freedom of speech? I hope not. Just because they are using free speech and the freedoms democracy has given them to spout their hate, there is no way they are promoting anything but hate. Same goes for Russia. Don't you dare refer to Russia's assassinations of political opponents, state-run media, persecution of gays, etc. as "attempting democracy and freedom of speech".

      Correct, but those mails were released to the public, so they could see who they were really voting for. Allowing people to know who they are voting for is an important part of something called "democracy".

      Democracy had nothing to do with the release of the e-mails and you're ignorant if you think so. If it was about democracy and transparency, then we might have seen Trump's tax return. Or maybe investigations spurred by all the women coming forth with accusations. Even before this most recent election, you had claims that Obama was Muslim or not born in the US and constant investigations into Hillary and Libya.

      None of that had to do with democracy. It's all about advancing one party at any costs, whether immoral or not. They don't care for you any more than they do about democracy. Unless of course, it happens to align with what they want.

    4. Re: You don't see evidence you don't look at by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Yes. When fundamentalist nutjobs at Westboro Baptist Church are free to spout off their inane rantings, that's good for democracy. Just like when fake-progressive fundamentalist nutjobs are free to spout off their inane rantings, that's also good for democracy.

      Yes, if someone leaks Trump's tax returns, that too will be good for democracy.

      See a theme here? Freedom of speech is essential if there is to be any chance of democracy working well. Even when I don't like the contents of the speech.

  23. WARNING: RUSSIANS HAVE SUPER POWERS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WARNING!

    All Russians have super powers. These include:

    1. Hypnosis: When in HypnoMode, anyone hearing a Russian speak will immediately be persuaded to the Russian point of view.
    2. Bot Form: When in Bot Form, Russians can decimate all arguments, and incite crippling emotion in their opponents.
    3. Reality Warp: Russians are not bound by time, space, or the laws of logic. Thus, they can be held responsible for logically contradictory events.
    4. Total Domination: Russians can, simply through an act of will, take over any politician or government they want.
    5. Conspire: Russians are able to organize and execute massive and successful conspiracies much larger than any domestic conspiracy that might explain the same events.
  24. Examples of the Russian action are in the links by XXongo · · Score: 2

    When it comes to trolling, I will be most grateful if anyone presents clear-cut example(s) of what Russians are alleged to have exposed to us.

    So, I take it you didn't follow any of the links in the summary, like say this one https://www.theverge.com/2018/... or this one https://blog.twitter.com/offic...

    Why are you bothering to comment if you aren't even interested enough to follow the links?

    you could have tried a google search, too: https://www.google.com/search?...

    1. Re:Examples of the Russian action are in the links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 6 examples you posted (duplicated across your two links) are from *after* the election...they are not even propaganda, just some memes. One of them was just a description of Bill Clinton being upset after looking at the results.

      Again, no actual evidence of anything.

    2. Re:Examples of the Russian action are in the links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, so all your evidence is two copy-paste articles (the Verge is simply repeating the Twitter blog) showing some memes and a link to Google Search?
      However I clicked on your Google search, on top of the list I found an article from the WaPo with a collage of "Russian Propaganda" memes. On top of that collage there is a meme-like picture showing Sanders and the text "Clinton foundation is a problem". The problem is that Sanders actually said that: again "fake news" are truer than MSM news.

  25. Carter Page met Russian intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    FBI used a warrant to spy on Carter Page's visits to Moscow, and his meeting with FSB people in Moscow. If they can't use a warrant for that treason when can they?

    It's about as clear cut treason as it gets. FBI had the duty to get a warrant and investigate his meetings.

    Perhaps you don't quite understand the implications of Nunes snokescreen. Trumps defense to Carter Page's treason was "he wasn't in my campaign just a volunteer". But Nunes is claiming "FBI spied on Trump by spying on Carter Page".... which links the two and undermines Trumps defense.

    So as soon as Nunes lays down cover smoke for Russia, people are going to look at Carter Page of the Trump campaign, because those details they've declassified.

    Republicans cannot have their head of Intellligence on Team Russia. He has to be on the US team.

    1. Re:Carter Page met Russian intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FBI used a warrant to spy on Carter Page's visits to Moscow, and his meeting with FSB people in Moscow. If they can't use a warrant for that treason when can they?

      It's about as clear cut treason as it gets. FBI had the duty to get a warrant and investigate his meetings.

      Perhaps you don't quite understand the implications of Nunes snokescreen. Trumps defense to Carter Page's treason was "he wasn't in my campaign just a volunteer". But Nunes is claiming "FBI spied on Trump by spying on Carter Page".... which links the two and undermines Trumps defense.

      So as soon as Nunes lays down cover smoke for Russia, people are going to look at Carter Page of the Trump campaign, because those details they've declassified.

      Republicans cannot have their head of Intellligence on Team Russia. He has to be on the US team.

      Are you REALLY trying to distract from the FACT that senior law enforcement people at the FBI and the DoJ demonstrably discussed an "insurance policy" against a democratically-ELECTED candidate?

      You WERE dropped on your head, weren't you?

      And you really do that distraction by waving "treason"?!?!? You're literally excusing what's at the very least the foundation of a coup d'etat by a cabal of bureaucrats against an elected head of state by bandying "treason"?!?

      Yeah, you were dropped.

      Or you're desperate as hell.

    2. Re:Carter Page met Russian intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Carter Page was already caught giving information to a Russian spy ring before Trump asked this obvious foreign agent to join his campaign.

      Traitors who interact with Russian spies get recorded when they interact with foreign spies. If you are speaking with a Russian spy you are under surveillance. Not a problem for those of use who aren't traitors under the control of Russia's spy agency.

      If Donald Trump wasn't doing the bidding of Vladimir Putin and covering up Russia's attack on America while colluding with it, he would not have been caught committing treason with Russian spies.

      You are acting like it's our fault that Trump and his campaign were blatantly committing treason in such an obvious way that intelligence agencies around the world (including ours) picked it up.

    3. Re:Carter Page met Russian intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, some retard working at the Internet Research Agency posted a thing all over Slashdot and reddit that says no collusion, so what am I to believe? The mountains of evidence indicating a historic scandal, or an Anonymous Coward who "didn't see anything"?

    4. Re:Carter Page met Russian intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, some retard working at the Internet Research Agency posted a thing all over Slashdot and reddit that says no collusion, so what am I to believe? The mountains of evidence indicating a historic scandal, or an Anonymous Coward who "didn't see anything"?

      Well, for starters you can post links to actual evidence of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign.

      In a town that leaks like Washington if that evidence existed, after a year somebody in the know would have leaked it.

    5. Re:Carter Page met Russian intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Carter Page was already caught giving information to a Russian spy ring before Trump asked this obvious foreign agent to join his campaign.

      So you're saying Page wasn't part of the Trump campaign when this alleged act took place?

    6. Re:Carter Page met Russian intelligence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm saying that by the time Carter Page was caught committing treason for the Trump campaign, he had already been caught communicating with and offering help to Russian spies in a completely separate spy ring.

      In other words, the Trump / Russia collusion was the second time Carter Page has been investigated in connection to Russian spies he was working for.

      Interestingly the Russian spies in the first investigation (1 did prison time, 2 fled to Moscow) thought Carter Page was an idiot who craved money. Watch one of his bumbling television appearances where he incriminates himself multiple times while trying to pretend nothing happened. Really quite amazing spectacle, and you have to conclude the Russians are right about this guy after watching...

  26. Twitter Followers Vanish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twitter Followers Vanish Amid Inquiries Into Fake Accounts

    Federal and state authorities are investigating the sellers of artificial followers and other fraudulent social media engagement.
    More than a million followers have disappeared from the accounts of dozens of prominent Twitter users in recent days as the company faces growing criticism over the proliferation of fake accounts and scrutiny from federal and state inquiries into the shadowy firms that sell fake followers.

    The people losing followers include an array of entertainers, entrepreneurs, athletes and media figures, many of whom bought Twitter followers or artificial engagement from a company called Devumi. Its business practices were detailed in a New York Times article on Saturday describing a vast trade in fake followers and fraudulent engagement on Twitter and other social media sites, often using personal information taken from real users. Twitter said on Saturday that it would take action against Devumi’s practices. A Twitter spokeswoman on Tuesday declined to comment about whether the company was purging fake accounts.

  27. Russian trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Compared to how many interacted with American trolls?

  28. Snowflakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You snowflakes still running this flag.

  29. Re:Oh shut up BeauHD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What's the difference between calling an someone 'Ivan' and calling a civil rights activist a 'n*gger lover'?

    Answer: You don't have to listen to what they say.

    How does it feel to be the same as those bigots screaming 'n*gger lover'?

  30. Re: We need examples of the alleged Russian action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [citation needed]

  31. US diaspora by Max_W · · Score: 1

    Millions Americans live abroad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... for complex reasons.

    If a post originates from a foreign IP, it does not mean yet that it was not written by an American.

    I am acquainted with some post-soviet functioneers. They are not capable to generate content which is read and liked by millions of US citizens. They just do not know the US realities to such degree, not even close.

    I have no doubt that it is either the diaspora or activists inside the country are using proxies located in remote parts, for obvious reasons.

  32. Re:Oh shut up BeauHD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's right. There is no evidence whatsoever.

  33. Just 50,000 bots? Come on, Russia can do better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And it is amazing how intelligent people buy into this brainwash without asking for any proof

  34. And in other news by BrookSmith · · Score: 1

    And in other news @therealdonaldtrump received a tweet from twitter which has the white house rushing to prepare a denial of.

  35. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian actio by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

    Nice link - the "Alliance for Securing Democracy". Now that's a creepy 1984-style name! Seems that site is operated by the German Marshall Fund, a Cold War institutional relic dedicated to NATO hegemony in Eastern Europe.

    No reason for obsolete cold warriors like that to build up a Russian boogey man. It's not like they have no purpose in a peaceful Europe, and a new conflict with Russia would rescue them from the dust bin of history. No sir, no siree. This is definitely not lawful domestic propaganda. They have no motivation to lie - I trust their every word.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...

  36. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds like a great argument for having a better system for keeping Twitter restricted to real people, but the stupid, arbitrary character limitation renders it pretty close to useless anyway, so who really gives a red-hot flying fuck if someone someone interacted with on Twitter was Russian? Are Russians not people? (Obviously Russian bots aren't people, unless of course, they thought ahead and incorporated, because in the United States, "corporations are people, my friend," to quote a bot posing as a person. But all kidding aside, all the hoopla about Russian bots seems to imply that if you read/heard/viewed anything on the news or social media, it WILL have influenced what you do. If that were really true, people would be sitting on top of piles of bottles of c1alis, and V1âgrå, and would be waiting anxiously to hear back from their long-lost Nigerian prince cousin. No, just because a Russian bot pointed something out doesn't mean anyone who saw it believed it, or that it influenced their decision-making, neither in point of fact, does a Russian bot (or real person, for that matter,) making a point mean it's not true. If a Russian bot said, "hey, Hillary Clinton is full of shit," the fact that it's a bot doesn't mean that it doesn't happen to be true, (which is obvious if you've been paying attention,) that of COURSE she's full of shit. She's a CLINTON! (Notwithstanding of course the fact that Donald Trump is LIKEWISE completely and entirely full of shit... but that's irrelevant. His fans are immune to facts. They just bounce right off their little foil hats.) So did Russia try to fuck with our election? Naturally. If they didn't, would it then have been either free or fair? Of course not. Don't be silly.

  37. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian actio by Ksevio · · Score: 1

    Ok, did you see anything wrong with it besides the name?

    BTW, how's the weather in Moscow this time of year?

  38. Re: We need examples of the elleged Russian actio by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure it's cold as fuck in Moscow. Can you confirm that for me? K thx.

    Here in Vietnam it's a fairly cool night, about 76F. There's a little breeze so the air pollution has lightened up. Altogether a lovely evening.

    Hope you're enjoying the snow!