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This Chinese Math Problem Has No Answer. Perhaps, It Has a Lot of Them. (washingtonpost.com)

Fifth-graders in China's Shunqing district were recently asked to answer this question: "If a ship had 26 sheep and 10 goats on board, how old is the ship's captain?" The Washington Post: The apparently unsolvable question sparked a debate over the merits of the Chinese education system and the value it places on the memorization of information over the importance of developing critical thinking skills. "Some surveys show that primary school students in our country lack a sense of critical awareness in regard to mathematics," a statement by the Shunqing Education Department posted Jan. 26 reportedly said. One student offered a pragmatic law-abiding answer: "The captain is at least 18 because he has to be an adult to drive the ship." Meanwhile on Twitter, some have gone with 42, a reference to the science fiction novel "A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy," by Douglas Adams, in which 42 is the "Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything." BBC: "If a school had 26 teachers, 10 of which weren't thinking, how old is the principal?" another asked. Some however, defended the school -- which has not been named -- saying the question promoted critical thinking. "The whole point of it is to make the students think. It's done that," one person commented. "This question forces children to explain their thinking and gives them space to be creative. We should have more questions like this," another said.

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  1. At least 28 years old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Washington Post article links to a BBC article containing the following:

    And of course, there's always that one person that has all the answers.

    The total weight of 26 sheep and 10 goat is 7,700kg, based on the average weight of each animal," said one Weibo commenter.

    In China, if you're driving a ship that has more than 5,000kg of cargo you need to have possessed a boat license for five years. The minimum age for getting a boat's license is 23, so he's at least 28.

  2. Fred Brooks interview question by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 4, Interesting
    if it's really as intended. But it's probably a typo that didn't get caught. They happen. Feynman has a story in one of his books about finding a math problem like

    Johnny observes three stars through his telescope. The stars' temperatures are X, Y, and Z kelvin. What is the total temperature observed?

    when he was asked to evaluate science textbooks for the school board in Pasadena.

  3. Word problems as a test of understanding by steveha · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In one of Richard Feynman's books, he told about his experiences at a university in Brazil. He was horrified to realize that the students were ritually memorizing the course material with very little actual understanding.

    When he asked questions in a way that echoed the textbook, students were able to recite an answer straight out of the book. But when he made up a "word problem" they were totally unable to answer.

    A student was quizzed on physics, asked to compute what happens when light passes through a diamagnetic substance, and he recited the answer correctly and then calculated the correct result given the index and thickness of the substance. Immediately afterward, Feynman talked to that same student; Feynman held up a book and asked what would happen if the book was made of glass and he looked at something through the book. The student didn't realize that glass is a diamagnetic substance, and gave a very incorrect answer.

    Richard Feynman on education in Brazil

    In the domain of math questions, I saw an example: if a person has 4 boards of length 2.5 metres each, and cuts them with a saw, how many 1-metre boards can that person make? Obviously the correct answer is 8 (two per board, with 4 left-over pieces of length 0.5 metres minus the width of two saw cuts). If you were just playing with the numbers abstractly you might think that since 4 * 2.5 == 10 that you could produce ten 1-metre board segments. You can't actually glue together 4 boards to make a single board, and you can't actually make zero-width cuts.

    I can't speak for others, but I enjoy word problems more than abstract problems. (Good ones, anyway... you can take a simple problem and write an annoying and confusing word problem, and nobody likes those.)

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  4. Re:There is always an answer by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wouldn't complain about that exam for any snowflake reasons, I'd complain about it because it's completely ignoring the last 60 years of exam theory research if given as stated. The most obvious problems with it:

    The question difficulty needs calibrating. There are well-known tools (facility and omit rates) for doing this, but you need a very large population of exam sitters to properly calibrate an exam where every question is optional. This means that if candidate 1 answers questions 2, 3, 4, and 5 all correctly, but candidate 2 answers questions 6, 7, 8, and 9 all correctly then you almost certainly don't have enough information to be able to compare them at all, unless either you have a few tens of thousands of students sitting the exam, or you have a bank of questions that you're reusing and are doing pre-testing to calibrate them.

    The ordering with respect to cohort means that your reliability is low. A single outlier at the top end will move everyone's marks down a lot. The lack of such an outlier will move everyone's grade up a lot. If your exam is meant to actually measure anything useful and not just be a dick-waving contest, then you'll need to do some normalisation and not use the scheme that you've proposed.

    Your discrimination is likely to be all over the place. Most exams are intended to have high discrimination at specific places. For example, in admissions testing you have deselection tests that have high discrimination somewhere in the bottom half and selection tests that have high discrimination nearer the top. The first means that there's a big jump between the definite-reject and the possible-accept candidates, the second means that there's a big jump between the definite-accept and possible-accept students. For most graded exams, you want high discrimination between grade boundaries: if someone gets a B, you want to be confident that they're definitely worse than students who get an A and better than ones that get a C, but you don't care much about their ordering with respect to other students that get a B. This structure makes it almost impossible to design an exam for high discrimination.

    If you want a snowflake reason, then your exam structure is likely to penalise women if it is being administered to teenage or undergraduate-age students, because they tend to be more negatively affected by time pressure than boys of the same age (this effect reduces with age).

    TL;DR: It sounds like you like exams that don't measure anything useful, because you do well in them.

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