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Uber and Lyft Want You Banned From Using Your Own Self-Driving Car in Urban Areas (siliconbeat.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the Mercury News: The rabble can't be trusted with self-driving cars, and only companies operating fleets of them should be able to use them in dense urban areas. So say Uber and Lyft, as signatories to a new list of transportation goals developed by a group of international non-governmental organizations and titled "Shared Mobility Principles for Livable Cities"... According to Principle No. 10, "Shared fleets can provide more affordable access to all, maximize public safety and emissions benefits, ensure that maintenance and software upgrades are managed by professionals..."
It's stated reason is to "actualize the promise of reductions in vehicles, parking, and congestion, in line with broader policy trends to reduce the use of personal cars in dense urban areas." But others remain suspicious.

Gizmodo complains that the proposal "doesn't exactly sound like the freedom-filled future sci-fi writers have been promising, now does it?" and concludes that Uber and Lyft "have a hot new idea for screwing over city-dwellers."

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  1. New direction for Uber by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, basically the complete opposite of what Uber currently says they stand for (people owning their own vehicles and using them to make some extra money "sharing" rides).

    Uber clearly has the best interests of the people at heart and isn't just in it to make a buck by whatever means are more convenient.

    1. Re:New direction for Uber by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, the complete opposite of their normal attitude about regulations.

      It is disgusting, and this is going to really cut the legs out from under a lot of their supporters, because this is a lot of double-speak to ask of people!

    2. Re:New direction for Uber by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can you say "rent seeking"? Sure, I thought you could.

    3. Re:New direction for Uber by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      this is going to really cut the legs out from under a lot of their supporters

      Right, because lots of people "support" Uber because of their reputation for ethical behavior. Sure. Whatever.

      Seriously, get some perspective. If you made a list of all the unethical and illegal crap that Uber has done, this wouldn't even make the top one hundred.

    4. Re:New direction for Uber by WarJolt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It reminds me of Airliners. Commercial Airliners always want to push out General Aviation, as if they aren't paying their "fair share". Really they just want to own more of the sky. The airspace is for all Americans to use and so is the road as long as you can use it responsibly. We need to prevent profit-seeking corporations from co-opting the public welfare. It almost never works out the way they claim.

    5. Re: New direction for Uber by vtcodger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "currently, there are no self-driving cars"

      You need to have vision laddie. If you come to the rent-seeking party only when self driving cars become available, there may be naught but crumbs available because all the profitable franchises have been locked down by forward thinking innovators.

      BTW, What do you want to bet that the "Shared Mobility Principles for Livable Cities" includes getting rid of slow, dangerous, dirty, public transportation services and banning inefficient government run taxis and ride sharing?

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    6. Re:New direction for Uber by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They only want regular people owning the cars because car maintenance is a cost they don't want to bare and so is commercial vehicle insurance.

      If they can operate a fleet without paying a driver, they'll save money. They can run the cars 24x7 and I'm sure they'll get good insurance rates for their fancy autonomous vehicles.

    7. Re:New direction for Uber by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So, basically the complete opposite of what Uber currently says they stand for (people owning their own vehicles and using them to make some extra money "sharing" rides). Uber clearly has the best interests of the people at heart and isn't just in it to make a buck by whatever means are more convenient.

      My guess is they're not even being serious, they're just trolling for PR and VC money like when Ryanair suggests standing passengers on airplanes. Outrage causes buzz and somehow it's more important that people are talking about you than what they're saying.

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    8. Re:New direction for Uber by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A lot of Slashdotters defend Uber (or used to anyway) based on them upsetting the admittedly corrupt taxi industry. Now they not only want to replace the taxi industry, but they want to make it so not only can't you run a taxi to compete with them, you can't even own the vehicle to do it.

      There was also a lot of "oh, Uber is just matching people who want to share rides!" which was always BS. Uber was never about ridesharing.

  2. No Parking Forever by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There will be no need to legislate against provately-owned cars, autonomous or otherwise.

    As self-driving fleets proliferate, there will be irresistible temptation on the part of urban developers to cut back on parking spaces at businesses, which will be needed only for individually owned cars; instead of a sea of parking spaces for all customers at a movie theater, the business will expand into its parking area, leaving only one row of "VIP spaces" that the diminishing number of car owners will have to pay for. As mass car culture fades, owning your own autonomous car will be like owning your own plane, a niche market for the well off. As hoi polloi buzz around in autonomous fleet cars that park only in industrial-zone warehouses when out of service, the remaining individual owners will pay for parking spaces as though they were airport tiedowns or marina slips.

    1. Re: No Parking Forever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      As long as they teach me how to use the seashells

    2. Re:No Parking Forever by roman_mir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Complete and utter nonsense. My car is an extension of my home, only it is portable. Same for most other drivers. I keep things in my car that I need (for work mostly). A family with kids keeps crap in their cars that are necessary for them, for various extracurricular activities, for entertainment, whatever. As cars become better at avoiding obstacles and preventing crashes there will be more people on the roads driving them, not fewer and people want to own stuff, that is why they want to buy houses rather than renting (mostly). Not everybody can afford it but that is a different matter.

      In short this is crap, Lyft and Uber will get nowhere with this fast.

    3. Re:No Parking Forever by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      why didn't that happen decades ago with taxis? what's the difference?

    4. Re:No Parking Forever by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If the person inside needs a drivers license, then the car isn't self driving.

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    5. Re:No Parking Forever by Glarimore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When I request an Uber, it's usually at my door in less than five minutes and I can see it's progress. Formerly, when requesting a cab, it could take up to thirty minutes to arrive, if it bothered to show up at all -- and it cost twice as much.

  3. It won't go over well. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I won't lie, if laws like they suggest ever got passed then I would straight up burn down the local Uber/Lyft/Assholes Inc. hub and destroy all the cars there. Then I would post a video of it burning and encourage others to do the same. Tyranny must be opposed.

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    1. Re:It won't go over well. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's fine if you want to write me off as an "internet tough guy" but you are incorrect because I actually mean what I say. I do not endorse violence toward those who have opposing ideologies but I do endorse sabotaging entities (people/corps/govs) that have moved to purely malevolent behavior and when the legal avenues for change have been exhausted. Fighting for the common good is something all people should do.

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  4. Neo-feudalism by nickmalthus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a clear glimpse into the machinations of the corporatocracy wishing to impose their totalitarian vision of the future.

    In this "gig economy" foisted on us with all of it's service jobs, private toll roads, apartments, cloud services, and soon to be automated car fleets the every day person will legally own very little. Instead immortal corporations will try to take ownership of most property and the rest of us will live as serfs subjugated to the shifting legal terms of service by said corporations.

    Our whole legal systems is built around property rights and only the affairs of property holders seems to matter. Any consideration of the ordinary person is considered to be "cumbersome regulations" that should be eliminated.

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  5. First they replaced the taxi cartels by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now they are the taxi cartels. Brilliant.

  6. It's Uber and Lyft pimping New Urbanist ideas ... by thomst · · Score: 4, Informative

    For the past 30 or more years, there's been a "progressivist" initiative in urban planning to significantly reduce the number of private motor vehicles on the road in densified urban areas (for which read "downtown" - to distinguish it from "inner urban" areas, for which read "slums"). It - along with housing densification itself - is one of the core goals of New Urbanism.

    New Urbanism, in turn, is dedicated to reducing urban sprawl (for which read "suburbs"), in part by mandating high-density, multi-family housing, mixed-use planning (for which read "medium- and high-rises with residential units on top and retail at street level"). It regards with disdain that portion of the population that does not care for apartment living and mass transit as a lifestyle, and seeks to enforce its vision by changing planning law and packing planning commissions, not just in big cities, but in small and medium ones, as well.

    A prime example of a city whose planning process is now wholly based on New Urbanist principles is San Francisco, which has systematically constrained parking by consistently approving major new construction only on condition that it be designed with new parking that's deliberately inadequate for the expected demand. (The idea being to make finding a parking place so difficult that it will basically force commuters to take public transit, rather than drive.) Ask any San Francisco resident or commuter (other than a fanatic bike geek) how that has worked out.

    Uber and Lyft are merely taking advantage of the New Urbanist movement to try to mandate that cities run by progressives enact traffic-reduction policies that will result in their companies making the maximum possible profit from the hapless residents of and commuters to these cities.

    I only hope that the New Urbanist masterminds stab them in the back by mandating fleets of city-owned self-driving cars to serve their residents and visitors ...

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  7. And so it begins... by evil_aaronm · · Score: 5, Funny

    My uncle has a country place, no one knows about.

  8. Car Ownership by Luthair · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is an oft repeated statement that silicon valley press use when talking about the future of cars (probably repeating something they've heard from the automated driving / internet taxi services) - car ownership is inefficient as cars spend most of their time parked. While true on the surface, it overlooks a key factor - the majority of car usage happens at approximately the same time when people go to and return from work. This means any alternative to ownership needs to satisfy peak usage which returns back to most cars spending the majority of their time parked . The only solution to this is having peak users share the vehicles, in which case congratulations - you just invented the bus.