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Scientists May Have Discovered the First Planets Outside the Milky Way (washingtonpost.com)
Using data from a NASA X-ray laboratory in space, Xinyu Dai, an astrophysicist and professor at the University of Oklahoma, detected a population of planets beyond the Milky Way galaxy (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source). The planets range in size from Earth's moon to the massive Jupiter. From the report: There are few methods to determine the existence of distant planets. They are so far away that no telescope can observe them, Dai told The Washington Post. So Dai and postdoctoral researcher Eduardo Guerras relied on a scientific principle to make the discovery: Albert Einstein's theory of relativity. Einstein's theory suggests light bends when tugged by the force of gravity. In this case, the light is coming from a quasar -- the nucleus of a galaxy with a swirling black hole -- that emits powerful radiation in the distance. Between that quasar and the space-based laboratory is the galaxy of newly discovered planets. The gravitational force of the galaxy bends the light heading toward the Milky Way, illuminating the galaxy in an effect called microlensing. In that way, the galaxy acts as a magnifying glass of sorts, bringing a previously unseen celestial body into X-ray view. In a university news release, Guerras had a less formal way to describe the complicated process: "This is very cool science."
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Many of us are so jaded and cynical these days, yet no matter how you look at it, this is indeed very impressive. It is like standing at the coast in France and noticing a butterfly in New York. Very cool.
It is mere mathematical speculation, not science.
Science requires a hypothesis, a method of testing said hypothesis, and then confirmation or refutation of the expected results.
While I am impressed with much of what goes on in the scientific community, there is a lot of stuff touted out to the public that really doesn't meet the bars, especially as the news articles portray it. That does a disservice to real science and proof of the hypothesis and methods used to get there, as well as any tangible applications that can be produced from it if it is applicable here on earth.
It doesn't sound like everyone is convinced these planets - if they are planets - are extragalactic. So while it's definitely cool science, perhaps we should monitor this story for further developments and feedback from other researchers.
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That's - that's ACTUALLY far out, dude.
In order to take advantage of that without some unforeseeable technology, you'd need to do some rather extreme things though.
Not just planning hundreds of thousands of years in advance, but planning across many, many kinds of entropy that we're not used to engineering around - and even then, you'd be very limited with what you could do.
The most hard-sci-fi solution I can think of to get through such a puzzle would be genetically engineering a culture of bacteria-sized critters to live in minimal-metabolism cycles (think water bears) for the long, long period between galaxies, until they sensed a solar body warming them up again. Then, they'd wake up to their their DNA-triggered-payload, and break through a seal to a block of stable metals and, start carving out circuits and shells for nanobots. Those nanobots would work with the organic components to make solar cells, harvest rocks, gather resources.
Eventually, they'd look for home galaxy signals, looking for an extensively protected series of keys and protocols to 3d-print further updates from home, until they can eventually become a hub to print people (or equivalent, given the timeframe) to live on what worlds are discovered, of what habitats can be built.
Anything like a modern machine just wouldn't make it there, and would be useless by the time it was in place, you'd kind of need a generic programmable platform to bootstrap what will actually be useful by that time. You have to have something that makes information from our future mean something in these far-off vistas, a foothold.
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Oh no! We've only got, at least, 3.8 billion years to prepare. Which is only about 3.8 billion years more than them if they get here as quickly as possible.
Except that they've been travelling for 3.8 billion years already.
The picture that goes with the story is pretty, but carries no actual information about the planets that were detected. The story also gives the impression that the planets were actually imaged thanks to microlensing, which I donâ(TM)t think is true. Does anyone have access to the original AJL article?
My understanding (from the OU press release and abstract) is that they analyzed the high frequency fluctuations of atomic line energy shifts of the lensed light to determine that there were small, fast moving objects in the galaxy. They modeled those fluctuations to determine planets in the size range of moon to Jupiter were consistent with what they saw.
If thatâ(TM)s correct, then what theyâ(TM)re able to do here is impressive. Theyâ(TM)re claiming to be able to identify the presence of small objects based upon their contribution to the lensing from a much larger parent object.
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Probing Planets in Extragalactic Galaxies Using Quasar Microlensing.
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You can find a freely available copy of the paper at this location:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.000...
Your summary of the paper is correct.
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Well, Einstein said so a while ago, but a lot of people have said so since then.
If those were wrong then it is very likely that our understanding of how things work also means that the observation of this planet is bogus.
Why does it always have to conform to what humans have said? You're still not correctly seeing past the limitations of your own mind. Not surprisingly though. People always default to disbelief because some smart person said so.
For all the ways you think X can't be done, there are entire realms of options we can't even conceive of because we don't know they even exist.
You're trying to think of warp drive while existing as a small mammal that lives in a hole hiding from dinosaurs.