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US Suicides Spiked 10 Percent After Robin Williams's Death, Study Finds (bbc.com)

dryriver shares a report from the BBC: U.S. suicide rates spiked in the months after Robin Williams killed himself in 2014, according to researchers. In the five months after the actor's death there were 10% more suicides than might be expected, or 1,841 extra cases, PLOS One journal reports. The potential risk of copycat incidents after celebrity cases is known to public health bodies. It cannot be known for certain if his death led to the spike but it appeared to be connected, the new study said. Experts say "irresponsible" media coverage of suicides can play a big part in copycat cases. At the time of his death, the Samaritans warned about a large number of news articles giving too much detail about the nature of his suicide, against media guidelines. Guidance from the World Health Organization, the Independent Press Standards Organization's editors' code of practice, the Ofcom broadcasting code and the BBC's editorial guidelines all advise against going into explicit detail about the methods used. However, researchers said there was "substantial evidence" that many media outlets had tended to deviate from these guidelines.

For the latest study, they looked at the monthly suicide rates from the U.S. government Centers for Disease Control and Prevention between January 1999 and December 2015 to see if there had been a spike. They found there were 18,690 suicides between August and December 2014 compared with the 16,849 cases they would have expected. In the weeks after Williams's death, there was a "drastic" increase in references to suicide and death in news media reports, as well as more posts on an internet suicide forum researchers monitored, the study found. David Fink, one of the study's authors, from Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health, said research had previously shown that suicide rates increased following a high-profile celebrity suicide, but this was a first time such a study had been done within the era of the 24-hour news cycle. Lorna Fraser, from the Samaritans' media advisory service, said: "This study builds on a strong body of research evidence that shows that irresponsible or overly detailed depictions of suicide can have a devastating impact. In the case of celebrities, the potential for someone at risk to make an emotional connection and over-identify with them is greater, in some cases even to interpret their death as affirmation that they could take their own life."

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  1. The challenge of interpreting signs by Camembert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A cousin committed suicide. It is something you’d think happens to other families, until it happens in your own family.
    By our understanding his close family was living and caring, they didn’t expect it. Only when looking back afterwards they realised that he had gradually become more serious.
    We wondered it we could have prevented it. Linking back to the article, I feel it is important to indeed not overly detail a celebrity’s suicide and to stress the professional help and counseling that exists. Anything to lower the barrier to seeking out help is welcome.

    1. Re:The challenge of interpreting signs by Camembert · · Score: 2

      Your assumption of what I thought and felt couldn’t be farther from the reality.

    2. Re:The challenge of interpreting signs by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We wondered it we could have prevented it. Linking back to the article, I feel it is important to indeed not overly detail a celebrity’s suicide and to stress the professional help and counseling that exists. Anything to lower the barrier to seeking out help is welcome.

      Even if people want to get help, it can be prohibitively expensive. If you want to get more people help then you should be fighting for a national healthcare program.

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    3. Re:The challenge of interpreting signs by Camembert · · Score: 2

      Well this was in a European country with decent universal healthcare. But i agree it is a national service that is worth fighting for.

    4. Re:The challenge of interpreting signs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We wondered it we could have prevented it.

      You? At that time? Probably not.

      I once were in a spot like that. Contemplating suicide as a way out. People who call it an 'easy' way out doesn't know what they are talking about and to be frank, they are doing more harm than good.
      We are looking for a way out, if it is an easy one or not doesn't matter.
      I went so far as to decide on place and method.
      Having all this planned gave me enough calm/strength/whatever to find another alternative that happened to work out.
      In my case the knowledge that I was in control of whether I live or not is what made me survive.

      The whole taboo around suicide and people using all sorts of names to make suicide a shameful thing only does one thing.
      It keeps us from discussing this option with other people before we take our lives.
      Making suicide legal, providing medical assistance and counseling when it is decided upon and primarily making it accepted to talk about would prevent way more suicides than the current hard stance against it.

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    5. Re: The challenge of interpreting signs by kenh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Suicide hotlines are free and plentiful.

      Walking into a hospital saying you want to kill yourself will likely result in medical attention regardless of cost.

      If you live in America, you either have so-called Obamacare, Medicare, or private insurance - all three of which provide for free/low co-pay psychiatric care.

      But yes, if you want to schedule an hour of story-time each week with a psychiatrist in a downtown office building and explore your parents feelings toward you, yes, it can get expensive.

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    6. Re: The challenge of interpreting signs by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Spoken like a true asshole who doesn't have the slightest fucking clue.

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    7. Re: The challenge of interpreting signs by Enigma2175 · · Score: 2

      Walking into a hospital saying you want to kill yourself will likely result in medical attention regardless of cost.

      Sure, but you'll still be on the hook for thousands of dollars. It's not free, they just can't refuse you treatment. Adding a new large debt will surely alleviate the depression and suicidal thoughts!

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    8. Re: The challenge of interpreting signs by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      I have the slightest fucking clue, having been there with family members while on private insurance, medicaid (for the poor, not the elderly, and no insurance.

      Each one has hoops to go thru, but care was available, at a cost we could afford.

      Although, I am still a true asshole, but I don't see how that's relevant to the other poster's point.

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    9. Re:The challenge of interpreting signs by Solandri · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're seriously positing that Robin Williams committed suicide because he was unable to afford healthcare?

      The long-term suicide rate in the U.S. has been fairly consistent, while much of the EU's was nearly twice as high in comparison, until it came down in the last three decades. So if there's any correlation to nationalized healthcare, it's negative. There are lots of good arguments for nationalized healthcare, but this isn't one of them.

  2. Population levels and social media by pablo_max · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would be curious to know if there is any correlation between an increase in population density and the number of suicides. Also interesting would be suicide rates pre and post social media days.
    Thinking about it a knew / know a surprising number of people who have taken that road or attempted to take that road. Most "seemed" normal enough.

    It is hard to imagine how people get to the state of overriding their self-preservation instincts.

    1. Re:Population levels and social media by FeelGood314 · · Score: 2

      Suicide rates are studied for correlations to just about everything. In Canada the lowest density areas of our country have a suicide rate slightly more than 7 times greater than our cities. However it is far more complicated than that. The 7 times greater may not actually mean rural is worse for you, it's actually a little bit like a simpson's paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... . I'll leave it to the reader to figure out why.

    2. Re:Population levels and social media by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is hard to imagine how people get to the state of overriding their self-preservation instincts.

      One of the effects of depression is that you start to think negatively about everything, and react negatively to everything. Even when good things happen, your brain automatically sees them in a negative light.

      For example, if someone is kind to you, shows some concern, normally you might be happy about that. But when you have depression your mind looks for ways to feel bad about it... Maybe they don't really care, or maybe you feel frustration that you can't tell them how you really feel because it might upset them, or maybe you feel lonely because if they are happy and kind they must not understand you. Your whole world is seen through this lens.

      After some time it starts to seem like there is no way back, no way to end the suffering other than death. It starts to look attractive even, a way out and a way to end the pain. After all, animals with serious illnesses or injuries are usually put down so that they don't suffer, and in some countries humans have that right too.

      To anyone feeling that way, please know that there is a way back. You can recover and feel okay again. You just need to seek help, and know that there are people out there who understand and genuinely care.

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    3. Re:Population levels and social media by Kiuas · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You have to realize that the fight or flight instinct isn't about surviving, it's about avoiding pain and suffering.

      Excellent point. Now, when you think about it, barring religious dogmatic opposition to suicide, most people are alright with suicide in certain scenarios, meaning euthanasia. I mean, if you think of someone in a terminal condition who's in terrible pain and is dying either way, it's hard to really say to this person that he/she must suffer til the end if they want to go and we have the means of making it painless for them. Most people would rather choose that I wager than lingering at the end of tubes for the final weeks or months of their lives.

      The problem arises when we start talking about mental states wherein the pain the person experiences is inside their mind. Looking at a physically healthy human being who wants to kill themselves because the pain inside their head is too large we're left confused. The medical profession approaches this from the point of view of a neurochemical disorder and maintains that it's just a glitch that can be treated, and most often it can. But the real question is, what about the cases wherein it can't? I mean there are bound to be cases in which an individual is so chronically and deeply depressed for example that despite medication or therapy they don't feel their life is worth continuing. We then bump into a sort of paradox: when thinking about whether or not it should be acceptable to let these people choose suicide just as in the case with terminal patients with physical pain, we're confronted by the notion that if they're depressed they're not thinking rationally (even though avoidance of suffering that one sees no end to is rational) and therefore we cannot let them choose death. They must be kept alive until they realize that their life is worth living, and if they do not realize that we must keep them locked up so as to make sure they don't kill themselves even if this inflicts pain upon them. Now, this approach is understandable from the point of view of doctors because the doctors are committed to trying to cure patients, so it seems to go against the ethics of a healer to give up and say: 'alright then, you can do as you please because we can't seem to help you'. That would be seen as immoral in cases wherein the pain originates in the mind, even though it's seen as the moral thing to do when we know the pain is of a physical origin.

      But I think this attitude also creates a trap: people with suicidal thoughts or severe depression know that if they go and seek help they might end up putting themselves in a situation in which they remove the option of suicide from themselves while not removing the suffering. This raises the bar for going to get help because the more serious your condition, the more likely it is that you will be locked up for your own protection. Thus, getting help for such people may seem as a gamble, wherein you either get better, or extend your agony for an indefinite amount of time. This I think is why so many people who commit suicide never seek professional help or tell about their intentions to anyone.

      I know it may seem counter-intuitive, but I feel if the medical field stopped treating assisted suicide as an non-option for all except people in terminal physical conditions we'd see an increase in the amount of people seeking help, and thus likely a reduction in the amount of suicides.

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    4. Re:Population levels and social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's the "point" of depression. It's not addiction, it's a change in your core personality or state of mind. The basic concept of "things being better" is beyond your comprehension, utterly alien to you. You *know* that you have no future, you *know* that there's no point in anything, you *know* that things can never change because to contemplate otherwise is simply absurd.

      And after enough of that, persistent suicidal desires can form and take root. It's the same as any other behavioural change or response to environmental stimuli. Because every day is the same as the previous day - pointless and full of reminders of everything that's gone wrong and that everything will continue to go wrong forever more.

      Whenever a truck passes you on the road, you're silently wishing that it would swerve and paste you over the floor. Whenever you go to bed, you're hoping that you simply don't wake up tomorrow. And when this never happens (because sudden accidental death is relatively unlikely in modern society), you dream about just getting the damn thing done yourself. Interestingly enough, depression serves to actively impede this process because its main externally noticeable symptom is to obliterate your interest, motivation and ability to concentrate on anything - including the one remaining thing that you may actively desire at this point (death).

    5. Re:Population levels and social media by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      I hadn't heard of that paradox before, it was a very interesting read!

    6. Re:Population levels and social media by pkphilip · · Score: 3, Informative

      As someone who used to battle suicidal thoughts for years let me offer some perspective.

      For a long time there was a single thought that would go through my mind - almost constantly, even when I wasn't really *feeling* depressed. The thought was of stabbing myself in the chest or stomach with a large kitchen knife or cutting myself in a way which would kill me.

      The reason I am putting an * around the word feeling is because I wasn't always self-aware of my deeply depressed state.. Actually, there were times I would even feel euphoric but yet that thought of inflicting such injuries upon myself would constantly go through my mind. By constantly, I mean every few minutes (if not every few seconds).

      The thought was that this act would release me - that it would give me a sense of relief. I am not surprised that some people give in to this senseless feeling.

      For myself, I escaped because I turned to religion. Those thoughts don't cross my mind anymore and haven't anymore. I recognise now that there are forces out there which don't want me alive and that there is also a benevolent personality out there (God) who wants me to live and thrive.

      I realise that this thought may be scorned or mocked on this site and others. But for me it saved my life.

    7. Re:Population levels and social media by djinn6 · · Score: 2

      For myself, I escaped because I turned to religion. Those thoughts don't cross my mind anymore and haven't anymore. I recognise now that there are forces out there which don't want me alive and that there is also a benevolent personality out there (God) who wants me to live and thrive.

      I realise that this thought may be scorned or mocked on this site and others. But for me it saved my life.

      I think you still consider yourself powerless. The idea that you're not strong enough or worthy enough to keep living for your own sake is so ingrained that you need someone else is out there who wants you to stay alive. But really, that's not necessary. Living for your own sake is perfectly fine, as billions of atheists do everyday. So I hope one day you can become your own God. Or perhaps even someone else's God.

  3. Re:Suicide is not a problem by Nocturrne · · Score: 2

    True, it is not a solution to over-population. Looking at the shrinking population of Japan, it looks like this problem will be somewhat self-regulating, at least in developed countries. It's no reason for suicide to be illegal though. In the past, suicide was considered an honorable death in many cultures. Unfortunately, some con artists came along and realized they could make a lot of money using religion to control people's personal freedoms.

  4. Re: Suicide is society's dirty little secret by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So you want to kill yourself, but you won't do it because you're afraid the police will arrest you after?
    That's a special kind of stupid.

    It's perfectly logical. They want to end it because their life is shit, and they're worried that if they get caught trying to end it, the police will make their life more shit. You're a special kind of asshole.

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  5. Re:Thank God by f3rret · · Score: 2

    The sheer weirdness of slashdot trolls never cease to amaze.

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  6. Wrong Conculstions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've attempted suicide and failed at it. The more coverage suicide gets, the more people come out saying it's only for cowards. Only lazy people do it. The people are selfish. Etc... The perceived attacks against oneself are enough to drive you to suicide. Not only do you already have the poorest self image, everyone else is saying you're even worse. There's nothing lazy about being suicidal depressed. Sometimes you literal have no energy to do anything, Just tossing a meal in the microwave can feels like trying to walk to the moon. You just can't do it.

    Being selfish? FUCK YOU. The person is currently living in hell and those around him/her can't even bother to notice. Why should I live in unending torment just so you don't have the inconvenience of maybe attending a funeral? You're the selfish brat. Plus some of us feel the world would be a better place without us so we're actually making your life better by dying. That's not selfish either. You go kill yourself to reduce your carbon footprint.

    Me a coward? I bet you can't even fake trying to killing yourself. Hold some scissors and hang yourself for one minute or just slash a light cut all the way down your arm. Go head, do it. You won't die doing those things but you won't be able to bring yourself to do them. If a lazy coward can do that and more, what kind of low life scum are you? Your suicidal coward has more bravery than you.

    Of course the suicidal person is dead so everyone blames the victim so they can feel better. I understand that. But doing so causes more suicides and makes us depressed people hide due to social fear. Anyone who successfully commits suicide on purpose deserves your respect. It's a hard thing to do, especially considering doing anything while depressed is already difficult. People 'suddenly' kill themselves because bringing the topic up means everyone around you attacks you whether they realize it or not. Best to stay silent and hidden. Then you may have a chance without everyone you know being directly against you. How many times have you blamed someone who committed suicide? If anyone around you is depressed they know to hide it from you and anyone who talks with you. We've got enough grief to deal with already.

  7. Re:So it's the media's fault? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hmm... let's see, what do we have on TV? Horror stories about war and strife, domestic and abroad, in the news. Various lowlifes yelling at each other in afternoon talkshows. "Celebrities" that have bigger boobs than brains, and whose only reason for their celebrity status is those built-in airbags and the airheads on top of them. Shows where we worship people for being able to pull off weird stunts or entertain us in some other way. And sitcoms that celebrate idiocy, a hedonistic lifestyle and unemployment, with what used to be called "successful people" being the butt of the jokes.

    Maybe it is the media's fault?

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  8. Re:Suicide is not a problem by hipp5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People in the state of mind or enough pain, to want to kill themselves, should be allowed to do so - it's their life. Also given the state of over-population in some countries, suicide should even be encouraged and assisted. Don't act offended or point your finger at me - you are thinking it too.

    Of course people should be allowed to, but that doesn't mean it's not a problem or we shouldn't try to stop it. Very often the desire and will to kill yourself is temporary. My brother climbed over the side of the bridge this summer and only at the last minute pulled himself back from the edge. And I think he's glad now he didn't jump. He's getting help now. It takes a special kind of heartless asshole to suggest suicide should be encouraged and assisted*.

    *I'll make exceptions for assisted suicide of terminally-ill patients who have zero quality of life.

  9. Re:Even a free and open society has taboos by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "I want to know how and why people commit suicide."

    Charcoal grills in small enclosed spaces seems to be the new fad where I live. People lock themselves in the bathroom, duct-tape window and door, put the grill in the bathtub and lay down beside with a bottle of whisky and barbiturates or other knockout stuff.
    According to my doctor, it's the simplest painless way to go.

    PS. Euthanasia is legal in our country. But I guess people just want to avoid the red tape.

  10. Re:Male/Female breakdown? by lucasnate1 · · Score: 2

    Considering the fact that rightwingers have been sending men to die in wars for years while women are safe back home, I would say that this hardly only the left's worldview.

  11. I cut myself to feel alive by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    is a common joke phrase I used to think nothing about. A friend of mine with a history of mental illness in his family pointed out that the reason depressed people cut themselves is that the only way to get mental health services without a boatload of cash is to be an active danger to yourself or others. Not 'could be a danger' but actually a danger; e.g. you need evidence that you're going to something violent in the next 24 hours.

    Basically the mentally ill will hurt themselves when they feel an attack coming on so they can get help. This is the would we live in folks.

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  12. Re:Even a free and open society has taboos by sixsixtysix · · Score: 2

    Actually, oxygen displacement via helium or nitrogen tent is the most painless, but granted not the easiest to set up.

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  13. Foxconn by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

    The Suicide rate in an average American High School is worse than a Chinese Foxconn factory, yet Americans complain about the Chinese and never look to their own house.

  14. Re:Even a free and open society has taboos by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    "I don't think there's any country where euthanasia is legal as a treatment for mental illness -- only for physical illness, usually only the terminal kind."

    You're obviously wrong. There's quite a number of them, Luxemboutg, Belgium, Netherlands....
    There's no heaven or hell, you know.

    "A mentally-ill Belgian woman sought euthanasia to escape her problems. The doctors told her, sure, why not? "

    https://www.mercatornet.com/ar...