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Trump's New Infrastructure Plan Calls For Selling Off Two Airports (politico.com)

The Trump administration has released an infrastructure plan on Monday that proposes that the federal government considers selling off Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport and Washington Dulles International Airport. According to Trump's blueprint, the administration wants to allow federal agencies to divest assets if they "can demonstrate an increase in value from the sale would optimize the taxpayer value for federal assets." It also includes the George Washington and Baltimore Washington parkways, the Washington Aqueduct and the transmission assets of the Tennessee Valley Authority and Bonneville Power Administration on the list for "potential divesture." Politico reports: State and local agencies or the private sector may be better at managing assets currently owned by the federal government, the administration argues, and federal agencies should be able to "identify appropriate conditions under which sales would be made." They should also "delineate how proceeds would be spent." Under the administration's proposal, federal agencies would have to complete an analysis demonstrating an "increase in value from divestiture." Though technically owned by the federal government, both airports are operated by the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority under a long-term lease agreement. The 53-page infrastructure plan lays out a vision to turn $200 billion in federal money into $1.5 trillion for fixing America's infrastructure by leveraging local and state dollars and private investment. "The White House says its plan will create $1.5 trillion for repairing and upgrading America's infrastructure," reports CNNMoney. "Only $200 billion of that, however, would come from direct federal spending. The rest is supposed to come from state and local governments, which are expected to match any federal allocation by at least a four-to-one ratio. States have gradually assumed more of the responsibility for funding infrastructure in recent years, and the White House says it wants to accelerate that trend."

As for how the money would be split up, the plan says that half of the new federal money, $100 billion, "would be parceled out as incentives to local government entities," reports CNNMoney. "An additional $20 billion would go toward 'projects of national significance' that can 'lift the American spirit,'" while another $50 billion will be designated "for rural block grants, most of which will be given to states according to a formula based on the miles of rural roads and the rural population they have," reports CNNMoney. "The rest of the money would support other infrastructure-related undertakings..."

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  1. Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't wait for the "de-platforming" trolls to find out that "they own it, so you have to do what they say" becomes incredibly problematic in real world contexts.

    1. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not a huge risk, it's a money-making public asset. Airports are gold mines. Besides gate fees, there are lots of bucks to be made renting space, parking spaces, food/taxes, fuel/taxes, and far more.

      Other nations might sell off their assets, and they're idiots.

      Instead, sell off and stop the tax monies to private airports, thousands of them that serve general aviation, and make them stand on their own feet without tax dollar support. Make private aviation have to pay its own dues, rather than shifting the cost to the cattle car carriers we call airlines.

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    2. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Re "It's not a huge risk, it's a money-making public asset."
      Making "money" would see every larger airport in the USA been brand new and be great looking.
      The "lots of bucks to be made" will not cover a new design and total new look and keep an airport working.
      Thats a risk the private sector can take on. The costs every year and the "lots of bucks to be made" do not add up to been able to build what is needed.
      A lot of great looking new airports are needed.
      So that flying into the USA and around the USA is not a trip back to the 1960's.
      What happened in the 1980's, 1990's, 2000's to all that "lots of bucks to be made"?
      Was it saved to make any airport great again?
      Did the "lots of bucks to be made" just get used over man years on other projects not related to airports?

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    3. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Informative

      Maybe elsewhere they make big money, but in the US, it's not quite true. Here's the budget for Los Angeles World Airports. Now, at first blush it looks like they'll make about $100MM in profit in 2017; however, tearing into it, you see they do that by issuing $680MM in new bonds, and paying our $560MM in old bond servicing. So basically their profit comes from issuing new debt. Not quite as much of a gold mine as many would think, especially for the 2nd busiest airport in the US.

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    4. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      And governments and airport authorities do a fine job. Give it to the private sector and watch the costs become base*profit margin. The private sector shouldn't be necessary at all; they already are the contractors for lots of services. These are PUBLIC assets, not to be sold to the gleaners.

      You're moving the argument into areas that have nothing to do with airports and public finance. Lots of great airports have come online in the past decade, along with stellar remodel jobs. It's folly to attempt to finesse some sort of glamor of the 1960s when the world has changed quite a bit since that era. Instead, get the private airports off the public dole.

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    5. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      And the airports suggested to be sold - they don't exist now, and don't need a massive overhaul? We would expect them to make big profits even when they are going to get reworked?

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    6. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by tbannist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      AC the problematic part is having the gov find the budget every year to keep everything working and presenting the USA as a modern nation. The next part is the total upgrade of the parts people look at and use. That 1960's styling that needs a lot of work and budget just to keep as is. Other nations sell off their airports and let the private sector take that huge risk. No more having to cover the costs of upkeep every year and new design work every few years, over the decades. That tax money once used to keep an airport looking nice can then go to bridges, roads around the USA and other vital work that really needs doing.

      Ok so you sell off the airports this year because you have pay to upgrade them, and use that money on bridges instead. What do you do next year? Sell the bridges and roads?

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    7. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by meerling · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Technically you are correct.
      However as we do have groups that are referred to as neo-nazis, who follow the teachings and ideals of the nazis, and even use one of the nazi flags, we have fucking nazis.

      If it looks like a nazi, talks like a nazi, and goosesteps like a nazi... I'm sure you get the idea...

    8. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Airports are unsuitable for private ownership because there is little meaningful competition. It's not like a rival can open their own competing airport nearby.

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    9. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Other nations sell off their airports and let the private sector take that huge risk.

      No they don't, because they need the airports. All that happens is that debts and long term contracts to private companies are hidden from the national debt figures and the government has to underwrite everything anyway because the airport is too important to go out of business.

      It's just a way of privatising the profits while socalising the risks.

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    10. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by mjwx · · Score: 2

      It's not a huge risk, it's a money-making public asset. Airports are gold mines. Besides gate fees, there are lots of bucks to be made renting space, parking spaces, food/taxes, fuel/taxes, and far more.

      Other nations might sell off their assets, and they're idiots.

      This is the standard plan of modern conservative economists... find your best performing assets and sell them off for a pittance, screw the future. It's going to be the other guys who'll have to get us out of it.

      John Howard in Australia did the same thing, selling off public assets and utilities including several major airports because that was the only way he could balance a budget.

      Instead, sell off and stop the tax monies to private airports, thousands of them that serve general aviation, and make them stand on their own feet without tax dollar support. Make private aviation have to pay its own dues, rather than shifting the cost to the cattle car carriers we call airlines.

      Whoa cowboy, that sounds like communism there. You don't want Communism in 'Merika do you?

      Without public funds and tax money going to hard working private corporations how do you expect CEO's and other High Net Value Individuals to receive massive bonuses and incentives to keep making more money. Without those essential tax dollars, corporations may have to run responsibly and cut senior management remuneration or restrict stock options. Why do you hate 'Murika?

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    11. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      The difference between a government-run road and a corporate-run road (where the corporation is heavily regulated, gets its charter from the government, is granted a monopoly by the government, tolls are approved by regulatory commission, etc)... it's basically an implementation detail. Depending on the state, they'll probably even force the corporation to use prevailing wage to keep the unions happy. The NJ Turnpike would likely be indistinguishable as an authority vs. a corporation. I don't think there is any money to be saved here - roads are inherently monopolistic and not really subject to free market forces.

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    12. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      Your wisdom is lost in your delivery.

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  2. The PepsiCo White House by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The official home of Pepsi ... and the leader of the free world

    1. Re:The PepsiCo White House by fred911 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, that would be "Brawndo the Thirst Mutilator: It's got what plants crave! It's got electrolytes."

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  3. This sounds...familiar by TomR+teh+Pirate · · Score: 4, Informative

    https://www.newyorker.com/maga...

    This is how you turn the first world into the third world

    1. Re:This sounds...familiar by TomR+teh+Pirate · · Score: 2

      This isn't about water, it's about public resources and the damage that is done to any sort of utility or institution when privatization is applied to the public interest. Yes, I can see I'm marked as troll / off-topic, but the damage done when some things get privatized is well documented. It applies to water, prisons, and soon will apply to airports. And no, it's not about water shortages. It's about how those shortages were responded to.

    2. Re:This sounds...familiar by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Informative

      It applies to water, prisons, and soon will apply to airports.

      I hate to point this out, but the vast majority of airports in the US are not owned by the US government.

      Even those that aren't owned by the feds are reasonably well controlled by the limits put on the availability of federal funds. Things like "if you accept federal money, the airport must be open to all users." There are some anomalies, like Chicago Meigs, but O'hare (along with Atlanta Hartsfeld) seem to run just fine without federal ownership.

  4. User Fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The private sector KNOWS how to run things. We just need a few user fees.

    -Parking garage entrance fee
    -Parking garage exit fee
    -Airport entrance fee
    -Airport exit fee
    -Airport Security Fee
    -Fee payment Fee
    -Fee payment fee recovery fee
    -Fee payment fee recovery fee surcharge
    -Fee payment fee recovery fee surcharge levy
    -Fee payment fee recovery fee surcharge levy premium

    They should charge for WiFi bandwidth by the byte, say the same as a text message fee, but with a premium.

    -Stuff at the airport is too cheap, as proof, even the poors can afford to fly. Poors should have to take the bus everywhere, or at least need a loan to fly.

    -Passport fees should also increase.

    1. Re:User Fees by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You misunderstand your own example. What brings costs down is competition. A lot of big pieces of infrastructure like airports do not have head-to-head competition. If you hate your local airport and need to fly cross country for business, are you going to take a train? If the major freeways around your home are privately owned, are you going to walk?

      I know that it is fashionable to pretend that government is bad at everything and private enterprise is better, but it is simply not true in the real world.

    2. Re:User Fees by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      You misunderstand your own example. What brings costs down is competition. A lot of big pieces of infrastructure like airports do not have head-to-head competition. If you hate your local airport and need to fly cross country for business, are you going to take a train? If the major freeways around your home are privately owned, are you going to walk?

      Except in this case, Reagan National and Dulles are only 58 miles apart. There's a shuttle between them. I've taken return flights into one when my original flight to the other was cancelled Then I took a cab to the parking garage to get to my car.

      There's also BWI. It's 36 miles from Reagan and 58 miles from Dulles.

      I'm not a big fan of doing this. But as long as the same company can't purchase both airports, then there will be competition. It would be interesting to see how it works with two different companies competing with each other as well as BWI remaining under government control.

      They could have a similar situation with LaGuardia, JFK and Newark.

    3. Re:User Fees by dryeo · · Score: 2

      There's 3 internet companies where I live, they all charge the same.
      There are 3 main cell companies here, they all charge the same, even the other month when #4 tried to enter the market and they all offered the same cheap deal.
      There's over a dozen gas stations owned by about 6 companies, they almost all charge the same price including going up and down together. The exception is far enough out of town that they can charge more.
      There are 3 grocery stores and they got caught fixing the price of bread.
      The government started privatizing the government run liquor stores a few years back, but had to stop due to the outrage. The government liquor stores are generally profitably, putting a lot of money into the treasury, subsidizing the stores in the middle of nowhere and paying their workers fairly decently. The private stores charge 10-20% more, pay their workers minimum wage (but they do hire cute girls). I avoid them, but others seem to use them due to location and of course, the lack of ID checking.

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  5. Interesting notion by Pop69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I presume he already has a couple of friends lined up to buy them ?

    1. Re:Interesting notion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only if they don't pay in Rubles this time.

  6. In other words... by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In other words, government agencies are now expected to put a dollar value on their historic icons, landmark infrastructure, and carefully-controlled limited-development areas, and sell them to the highest bidders, then turn around and give that money to the federal government to cover tax cuts for the companies who just bought our society.

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    1. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Conservatism has been redefined as taking what is owned by the public and giving it to multinational corporations for kickbacks and contributions. That's literally all they care to do now. They love uneducated voters. Nuff said.

    2. Re:In other words... by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Money-losing infrastructure"? Is our infrastructure supposed to be making money? Is that supposed to be the goal of our government? Are both failing if they are not profit-making machines? Is that how we are supposed to look at things now?

      Infrastructure is a government provided service for the common weal. We-the-Citizens (and most non-citizens too, while we're at it) pay for it in order to make our lives better - and to help our business prosper too, if possible. I don't care if the local highway or park aren't profitable; the lack is made up by my taxes. I do have a concern if the taxes are poorly spent or self-serving pork projects get tax money they shouldn't... but the solution isn't too de-fund infrastructure in general.

      Or are we now saying that things like Dulles Airport are unnecessary?

      This whole thing reminds me of Ajit Pai's "solution" to the US's poor internet ranking: if not enough people are getting broadband, redefine broadband until it's slow enough that the statistics don't look as bad. Meanwhile, with Trump: If maintaining government infrastructure costs more than we would like to pay, sell it all until it matches our budget. It's all about moving the goalposts - at a cost to the citizen - rather than fixing the actual problem.

    3. Re:In other words... by Ksevio · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gotta love Repuli-Math!

      The stimulus package went to the economy - there were lots of infrastructure projects (jobs!) that were funded from it and our economy went from being in a decline to growing (more jobs!).

      Trump on the other hand is pissing away trillions to give to his wealthy friends while CUTTING infrastructure spending.

    4. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Logic and facts don't matter, for some people, it's who's team you're on and if they're winning. Leftcoastthinker spewed 9 posts today, 18 posts on Thursday, and 35 posts last Wednesday.

      It doesn't matter how mind numbingly stupid it is to suggest that the current economic situation is the product of Trump. You wont' convince them that their team is against their best interests.

      The examples of political kickbacks to counter the "ZERO" will just be met with moved goalposts and "but the Dims! virtue signalling! derp!"

      What you won't hear is a single intelligent statement about Trump's policies.

    5. Re:In other words... by hdyoung · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What Trump says he will do in the future is always going to be better than what Obama's real accomplishments. On paper. Maybe. If all those discredited assumptions and flat-out fabrications actually come to pass. Which they will. Totally. Trust him. Only he can fix our problems. It'll be yuge.

    6. Re:In other words... by tbannist · · Score: 4, Informative

      We never had a surplus. The national debt has increased every year since 1957.

      That's an interesting chart.

      The only way for the debt to increase is to spend more than was brought in.

      Actually, no. You seem to have missed the words "Includes legal tender notes, gold and silver certificates, etc."

      The debt on that page can increase when the government prints more money.

      The "surplus" was in name only, because it only dealt with some of the spending of the Federal Government. But we haven't had a surplus since 1957, back when Ike was rolling out the Interstate highway system.

      According to the Congressional Budget Office there were real surpluses in the years 1969, and 1998-2001. You'll have to go to Historical Budget Data and open some Excel files to see the actual numbers, but if you do you will see that the debt held by the public decreased in each of those years.

      However, that's neither here nor there. Quibbling over the exact numbers doesn't change the fact that Bill Clinton (and a Republican congress) either generated a surplus, or brought America as close as it has been since 1957. But in either case, George W. Bush (and a Republican congress) turned it into the largest deficits in America's history, through a combination of new spending, tax cuts and a disastrous recession.

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    7. Re:In other words... by dave420 · · Score: 2

      What if the airport operating generates money for other parts of the economy? That way it could operate at a loss but still be a net benefit for the government's tax coffers. That's how infrastructure works - it is often directly unprofitable, but the profits to society (and the government) come later. This is how healthcare works in other countries, for example - it's understood that a sick workforce isn't going to be generating much tax revenue, and if money is spent on keeping the workforce healthy, it will be recovered through taxing their productivity. As long as less money is spent on healthcare than generated by the healthy individuals that result from it, it's earning money even if each and every hospital is in the red.

  7. We've got Spirit, yes we do... by TexasDiaz · · Score: 2

    While the document doesn't specifically mention projects that "lift the American spirit," we all know that there's a certain parade that a certain country also did that a certain someone thinks will lift everyone's spirits in just the right way. You know that's what he wants, and this is the perfect way to pay for it. I mean, you've got to fix the road first before you can have a parade, right?

  8. Can't wait ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

    ... for the Comcast Ronald Regan Washington National Airport.

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  9. This has been known for months by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    his "Infrastructure Plan" is to give away vast amounts of infrastructure so the folks that helped elect him can profit from it (after the public paid to build it). Privatize the profits, socialize the losses. The frustrating thing is that it's going to take decades to undo the damage this crap causes. Hopefully enough opposition gets into Congress to stop him from selling off the interstate roads. I'm not looking forward to $20 in tolls just to get to work every morning, but I can guarantee you somebody is.

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    1. Re:This has been known for months by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except these buildings and projects are 30 plus years old on a 40-50y planned life, which the government has not been even doing the minimum maintenance on in many cases while continuously losing money.

      There are no losses being socialized, rather Trump is using the private sector profit motivation: you know, the thing that lets you get good products like your smartphone and good customer service, at least where there is competition and where you have the right to sue if you have an unresolved issue (no, you can't sue the federal government in nearly all cases).

      Private business is going to sink billions much more efficiently to renovate, modernize and run, and then the people who actually use those services are going to pay for it, not the entire US tax base, which is both fair and reasonable. At the end of the day we will get some money back to the US tax payer for infrastructure with less than 10 years remaining (before major renovations are required) and going forward the customers who use the facilities will pay for their maintenance and upkeep. Just like any other pay to use piece of property...

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    2. Re:This has been known for months by Patent+Lover · · Score: 3, Insightful

      National Airport opened in 1941 and is currently expanding. It doesn't need a private business to "sink billions" into it.

    3. Re:This has been known for months by mesterha · · Score: 2

      going forward the customers who use the facilities will pay for their maintenance and upkeep. Just like any other pay to use piece of property

      Don't forget the profit. Since much of this infrastructure will have monopoly level protection, they can charge what the market will bear without real competition. It's a massive giveaway. A real market needs competition not collusion.

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    4. Re:This has been known for months by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      "at least where there is competition"

      Airports and highways are known for their high level of competition.

    5. Re:This has been known for months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Private business is going to sink billions much more efficiently to renovate, modernize and run

      Just like they did in Flint, MI when the water supply was privatized?

      Private business will do everything they can to take as much profit as they can while performing the bare minimum maintenance that they think will allow them to avoid lawsuits. They don't give a shit if the infrastructure completely crumbles because they're walking away with huge profits that they can use to buy something else to strip all the value out of.

    6. Re:This has been known for months by dryeo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the airports are operating at capacity, there won't be much competition, same if they're too spread out.
      Roads and bridges would probably be private/public partnerships. Private business gets its loans guaranteed by the government as well as guaranteed income. Looks good on paper, the government doesn't actually borrow money or raise taxes and the business gets a guaranteed profit.
      In reality, it turns out that people avoid tolls if they can and the government still has to subsidize the bridge to make up for the shortfall and the next election, the other party runs on a platform of eliminating the tolls, wins and has to pay off the bridge and the private company. Taxpayers lose.

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  10. Don't sell infrastructure by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead, of selling critical infrastructure to businesses, make sure the bidding process to build & maintain those things is based on solid business foundations. There's too much crony-ism in the bidding process, too much bias toward existing contractors regardless of performance.

  11. Fiscal conservativism by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trump could do anything. Especially run up bills on the joint's credit. And why not? Nobody's gonna pay for it anyway. And as soon as the deliveries are made in the front door, you move the stuff out the back and sell it at a discount. You take a two hundred dollar case of booze and you sell it for a hundred. It doesn't matter. It's all profit. And then finally, when there's nothing left, when you can't borrow another buck from the bank or buy another case of booze, you bust the joint out. You light a match.

    Fuck you, pay me.

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    1. Re:Fiscal conservativism by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      as Trump sets up a golden ivory tower, rent free, in his head.

      As long as he doesn't set up a golden shower in my head. That's nasty.

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  12. In other words ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The 53-page infrastructure plan lays out a vision to turn $200 billion in federal money into $1.5 trillion for fixing America's infrastructure by leveraging local and state dollars and private investment

    In other words, Trump isn't doing a goddamned thing, is doing his standard trick of making other people spend their money and take the risk while he puts his name on it, and is going to transfer public assets into private assets. This is pretty much how he built all of his other failed ventures.

    This is such a bullshit 'plan' it defies belief ... because Trump is a crook and thief who apparently can't do math.

    But in the mean time he'll be sure people are dying in the streets because they have no healthcare, but his rich asshole friends all get tax breaks.

    I swear, the economics trotted out by Republicans is a complete fantasy most of the time.

  13. Re:kidding me... by magarity · · Score: 3, Informative

    So his way of paying for it is by forcing the states to match him at least 4:1?

    This works incredibly well. For example, the federal Department of Education doles out a minuscule fraction compared to state and local spending but every school district fights tooth and nail and adopts basically whatever testing procedures, etc, the feds dictate for those incremental funds.

  14. Re:It's funny by dgatwood · · Score: 2

    There's a big difference between selling excess unused assets (e.g. closed military bases) and selling active assets (e.g. TVA). The former is just not letting buildings rot. The latter is potentially privatizing essential services.

    The thing is, this is one of those ideas that sounds a lot better in theory than in practice. I mean, in theory, selling it to the various states that buy power from TVA might work. The problem is that you'd have no single legislative body that could control it, and getting several state legislatures to agree is even harder than getting Congress to agree. So in practice, that's not likely to work very well. And that's the only possible sale that wouldn't represent a high risk of causing the complete economic collapse of the entire South. After all, TVA's low-cost electricity is a major factor in keeping those states' manufacturing industries competitive with China, Mexico, etc.

    The alternative — selling TVA to a private company — would be disastrous. If a conditions of sale was that TVA continued to be operated as a non-profit, nobody who could afford it would want it, because it would mean a lot of extra risk on the book for no financial benefit. And if they didn't make that one of the conditions, then... well, it takes a special kind of stupid to take a well-functioning nonprofit power company and sell it to a for-profit entity so that every single man, woman, and child in the southern United States can pay significantly more for the exact same electricity that they have now.

    So proposing the privatization of TVA should raise more than a few eyebrows among anyone living in any of the states that it serves.

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  15. Re:It's funny by belg4mit · · Score: 3, Informative

    Divesture of surplus military bases from the WW2 and cold war eras has been going on for decades, spanning the tenure of presidents of various stripes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_Realignment_and_Closure/

    This is a whole other kettle of fish.

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  16. It is the only way... by Blinkin1200 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is the only way you are ever going to see Trump International Airport.

  17. It worked so well in Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sydney's airport was sold to Maquarie bank and now has the dubious distinction of having the most expensive parking of any airport in the world!

    They also financially engineered the transaction so they haven't spent on taxes in the history of the project.

    Don't do it.

  18. We Know How Well Electricity Deregulation Worked by BBF_BBF · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Well, let's see, after deregulation of the Electricity market caused the power shortages in California since the private power companies realized that the capital costs involved with building new generation capacity was really expensive and that electricity is a necessity, so they just stopped building new plants and just raised electricity prices. Plus Enron.

    So with regards to the selling of federal assets: It may be that the private market will game the system better with the extra control they have over the most valuable assets... they'll let buildings run down even more and charge even higher fees because it's really expensive and time consuming to build another airport near Washington DC... and if you start, they'll wait until you're underway and then cut their pricing to bankrupt your project and then raise prices even higher afterwards.

    Yeah, sell the assets once to get a lump sum now, pay from now to eternity "leasing" it back. We'll see how the state's and city's budgets will look like in 10 years for the ones that sold their legislative offices to private enterprise so they can lease them back...

  19. Lack of competition by dfm3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If I had mod points, I'd mod you up. What proponents of privatization often fail to account for is that large infrastructure projects don't lend themselves well to free market competition.

    Read up on all the controversies around the Ambassador Bridge between Detroit and Ontario... and get ready for owners of private infrastructure to pull that same crap hundreds of times over across hundreds of other bridges, roads, and waterways across America.

    Want to build a competitor to DCA within reasonable distance of the Washington DC metro area? Good luck. In many places it's not just a question of land acquisition... there are many locations where local geography limits where airports can be built or where bridges can cross rivers. Look at the terrain around Pittsburgh... want to build another international airport there, maybe closer to the city? I'd like to see someone try.

    I HATE planning roadtrips across Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma... not because of all the stereotypes about flyover country (I actually love the scenery), but because of all the damn toll roads. For each road, I have to figure out: do they take cash, are they toll by plate (with a hefty surcharge for being unregistered), or do they use any of a number of incompatible tolling systems? If I register my rental car's tags in one city will my registration be valid in another? And avoiding the tolls in places like Kansas just to cross the state means you have to go MILES out of your way on two lane roads. Is it reasonable to expect that someone will be able to raise enough money to build a competing toll road, parallel to an existing one? In contrast, I can drive anywhere in a dozen northeastern states and know that any toll road will take EZpass.

    There's a big lake near my house that TVA sold off to a private company some years ago. Sure, the buyers spent money fixing up boat ramps and picnic areas... but then they decided to drain the lake for a year to do some maintenance on the dam. Now, if this were still government land it would be common sense to expect that you explore the lake bed at your own risk (people do that anyway when the lake is drawn down for the winter), but since the lake was now private property, the company used trespassing laws to enforce a complete closure of the entire lake and all adjacent land. And who did they use to enforce the closure? The local sheriff's department.

    1. Re:Lack of competition by mjwx · · Score: 2

      I HATE planning roadtrips across Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma... not because of all the stereotypes about flyover country (I actually love the scenery), but because of all the damn toll roads. For each road, I have to figure out: do they take cash, are they toll by plate (with a hefty surcharge for being unregistered), or do they use any of a number of incompatible tolling systems? If I register my rental car's tags in one city will my registration be valid in another? And avoiding the tolls in places like Kansas just to cross the state means you have to go MILES out of your way on two lane roads. Is it reasonable to expect that someone will be able to raise enough money to build a competing toll road, parallel to an existing one? In contrast, I can drive anywhere in a dozen northeastern states and know that any toll road will take EZpass.

      Google Maps has an "Avoid Toll Roads" option.

      I admit I've used it once when I realised a route took me onto the M6 toll, one of the few toll roads in Britain.

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  20. Private airports are usually 'nicer', but... by Cimexus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As an Australian that moved to the US a few years ago and does a lot of flying for work, I'm on the fence when it comes to airport privatisation proposals. One of the interesting differences between the US and Australia is that, despite the fact that the US is generally more in favour of private sector delivery of services (think healthcare etc.), it has overwhelmingly kept its airports publically owned. Most major airports in the US are publically owned, whereas I think every major Australian airport was privatised many years ago.

    On the one hand Australian airports are wayyyy nicer than US airports. More modern and up to date, cleaner, more spacious, better and more facilities etc. Nicer places to be in by a long shot. US airports, especially some of the major ones (Newark and O'Hare spring to mind) are very overcrowded at peak times, straining at the seams and generally just more unpleasant places to be in (e.g. what's with those disgusting old seats and claustrophobically low ceilings in Concourses E/F at ORD?)

    But why are they so much nicer? Because they charge a lot more and thus have a lot more money to pump into improvements. US airport parking fees, even in a major city, are a small fraction of what they are in Australia for instance. I could park at Chicago for a week for what it could cost for a few hours at SYD or MEL. Australian airports no doubt also charge the airlines more than their US counterparts too (landing fees etc.), which indirectly affects ticket prices etc.

    So in terms of user experience, private airports seem nicer, but in terms of equity of accessibility to travel itself, publicly owned is the way to go. Prices go through the roof when airports are privatised, if Australia is anything to go by. Travel should not be only for the wealthy.

  21. Re:Mythology by Nite_Hawk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yep, I'm going to point out a bridge. I drove over the I35 bridge in Minneapolis nearly every day coming home from work prior to it's collapse. It was dumb luck I didn't leave work 10 minutes later that day or I would likely have been on it when it went down.

    But hey, if you don't want to take my anecdotal example, you can just go check transportation.gov and get a state by state breakdown of structurally deficient bridges yourself:

    https://www.transportation.gov...

    Now maybe you don't take much stock in their numbers, but personally after watching the bridge I made my daily commute over for years catastrophically collapse, I think it's worth at least considering that there may be some truth to these claims.

  22. Re:Mythology by RazorSharp · · Score: 2

    That bridge is literally the example in the article Jodka cited.

    So "crumbling infrastructure" peddlers play on this concern by habitually agonizing over things like the impending outbreak of tragic bridge collapses that will kill thousands. They bring up tragedies like the 2007 disaster with the Interstate 35 bridge over the Mississippi River in downtown Minneapolis even though, according to federal investigators, the collapse was due to a design flaw rather than decaying infrastructure. Many outlets and politicians simply ignore the inconvenient fact that the rare fatality involving infrastructure typically has nothing to do with "crumbling" and everything to do with natural elements or human error.

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