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Huawei Got People To Write Fake Reviews For An Unreleased Phone (theverge.com)

As spotted by 9to5Google, Huawei has apparently posted fake reviews on Best Buy for its new Mate 10 Pro, which is available for pre-order in the U.S. despite not having any deals with U.S. carriers. "The fake reviews, which are exclusively on the Best Buy website, are likely the result of a contest Huawei ran on Facebook," reports The Verge. From the report: On January 31st, the company posted to a Facebook group with over 60,000 members, asking for people to leave comments on the Best Buy pre-sale page in exchange for a chance to beta test a Mate 10 Pro. The original post has been deleted, but 9to5Google obtained a screenshot before it went down. "Tell us how to why (sic) you WANT to own the Mate 10 Pro in the review section of our pre-sale Best Buy retail page," the post states. On the Best Buy site, there are currently 108 reviews for the phone, 103 of which were written on or after January 31st, the day Huawei posted the contest. Many of the comments directly reference not having any actual hands-on experience with the product itself, but give the phone a five star rating. "I can't wait to get my hands on this phone and demonstrate how amazing it is to people," reads one. "This device looks exciting and beautiful and it would be amazing to have a chance to beta test it," another reads. It seems Huawei is betting that loads of high ratings early on will make people trust the product and lead to higher sales. That's all well and good except that these types of reviews are strictly against Best Buy policy, as 9to5Google points out. "Huawei's first priority is always the consumer and we encourage our customers to share their experiences with our devices in their own voice and through authentic conversation," a Huawei representative told The Verge in a statement. "While there are reviews from beta testers with extensive knowledge of the product, they were in no way given monetary benefits for providing their honest opinions of the product. However, we are working to remove posts by beta testers where it isn't disclosed they participated in the review program."

39 comments

  1. I'm glad I did by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It is a wonderful phone. Like the Iphone X but without a notch. A+++++ would recommend.

    1. Re:I'm glad I did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no notch indeed. instead, it has bezels. in other words, it's shit.

    2. Re:I'm glad I did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, bezels are the devil's spawn; bezels ate my albatross, ruined my life.
      All you bezel-tolerating people, stand up and rebel!

  2. beta testers make the worst reviews by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    You can be damn sure if a beta tester gave negative reviews that they wouldn't be asked to beta test again and perhaps even would be in violation of NDAs. Beta testers are expected to play along and make the company look good, that is the unwritten rule.

    That said, I don't think it's illegal to post a bunch of fake reviews on a web site. At least not in the US. Not only does the buyer have to beware, the buyer can expect thousands of shills to lie to them.

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    1. Re:beta testers make the worst reviews by Xenx · · Score: 1

      No, it was just against Best Buy's policy, as stated in the summary. It's also generally considered scummy behavior. Like a lot of things, we expect it. We just want it to be assumed and not proven.

    2. Re:beta testers make the worst reviews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, beta testing is for finding bugs and issues.

  3. gaming by fluffernutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is why you can't really believe reviews anywhere. It is a system ripe for gaming.

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    1. Re:gaming by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Very insightful. Please mod up!

    2. Re:gaming by glitch! · · Score: 2

      Your comment is informative and insightful. Will definitely recommend to my friends! Five stars!

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    3. Re:gaming by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      Especially the silly 5 star rating system, which means something slightly different to each person. For example, if a phone is rated 4 stars, is it better than a phone rated 3 stars? "Of course it is," you say. But then the seller reduces the price of the 3-star phone and it quickly gets enough 5-star reviews to make it a 4.5-star phone! Is the 4-star phone no longer as good as the one previously rated 3 stars?

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    4. Re:gaming by sexconker · · Score: 1

      If reviewers are being honest and accurate, the (formerly) 3* phone becomes better than the 4* phone after the price drop and rise to 4.5*.
      Value is always a part of the rating.

    5. Re:gaming by Ichijo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Value is always a part of the rating.

      If value for money is part of the phone's rating, then the rating doesn't really tell you which is the better phone.

      Why does value for money need to be part of the rating when the price is usually listed right next to the rating?

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    6. Re:gaming by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I go with the negative reviews, across multiple sites with similar statements. The positive ones, just idle interest to compare with the specifications. You kind of want a spread, that leans in the positive with no indication that specifications are false. So which is worse advertising or reviews, clearly the need to generate fake reviews indicate people prefer reviews to advertising. Of course not buying early in release and waiting for a spread of reviews to come out over the first few months of product release has pretty good results and always saves money. The other thing for reviews is the number of reviews by the individual over what time period and how consistent they are and the review writing. I know companies also pay for crap reviews of competitors product but they is always a sense of overall market view, regardless of the attempts at distortion by the scum of the earth the PR=B$ crowd.

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    7. Re:gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some products are a good idea to purchase at $200, but not at $1000. Lack of care about price to me is actually one of the biggest flaws in product ratings. It's probably less common in the computer market, but often we see these comparisons being made with cars where an $80,000 Corvette gets a poor review as it's in the same performance/use class as a Porsche 911 Turbo while the turbo costs $200,000. In reality most people aren't making a decision between these two products, but someone arbitrarily put them in the same product group.

      It's also worth considering the values of most reviewers and just how little they care about the process; star ratings are primarily a popularity contest, or along the range of "how likely are you to recommend to a friend".

    8. Re:gaming by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      often we see these comparisons being made with cars where an $80,000 Corvette gets a poor review as it's in the same performance/use class as a Porsche 911 Turbo while the turbo costs $200,000. In reality most people aren't making a decision between these two products

      I want them in the same category so I can sort by rating from best to worst and then scan down the list until I find one I can afford.

      And if that Corvette were a better car than the Porsche, people might want to know that, even wealthy people, because everyone likes a good deal. Separating those two cars into different categories by price makes that information more opaque.

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  4. It's so common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you know where to look, it's super easy to find gigs paying 25-50 cents or more for a review.

  5. honesty in fakery by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2

    Yes, as fake reviews schemes go, this is an unusually honest one. They actually got real humans to write the glowing reviews, not a bot army.

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    1. Re:honesty in fakery by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      They sort of had to. If they had hired Chinese hackers, they would have used Google Translate to generate the content of their reviews. Plus just like with the Russians, their usernames would have been strangely stereotypical.

      TexasCowboy928989, FatRichAmerican2949234, VanDamn192281, Schwarzeneger1292, McDonald9892, EvilAmericanEmpire3324, TonySoprano2134, BigMacAndFries90324

  6. "Hauwai enthusiast" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never heard of such a thing, ever, in the US.

    1. Re:"Hauwai enthusiast" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've never heard of the NSA? They love the Hauwai backdoor package they get.

  7. honest opinions? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    While there are reviews from beta testers with extensive knowledge of the product, they were in no way given monetary benefits for providing their honest opinions of the product

    No, you just give them lots of free phones, and only if they give good reviews.

    1. Re:honest opinions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you just give them lots of free phones, and only if they give good reviews.

      Don't be silly. The first hit is free, and you have to pay (with good reviews) for more blow. Just like drugs.

  8. And this friends, is why I disbelieve. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, anybody says something on the internet, you should absolutely not believe them. Reject what they have to say. Do the opposite. Reverse course.

    1. Re: And this friends, is why I disbelieve. by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      I want to believe you, but if I do then obviously can't believe you. So I won't

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    2. Re:And this friends, is why I disbelieve. by sexconker · · Score: 1

      AC doesn't suck lumpy ass at gas stations for change.

    3. Re: And this friends, is why I disbelieve. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which means you are doing exactly what I told you, which means you are believing somebody on the Internet. Which is exactly what I told you not to do.

  9. Game Over Man! GAME OVER! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or is it? Damn US hospitals and doctors always looking out for those almighty dollars.

  10. I thought unlocked was a feature by tepples · · Score: 1

    From the summary, with my emphasis:

    Huawei has apparently posted fake reviews on Best Buy for its new Mate 10 Pro, which is available for pre-order in the U.S. despite not having any deals with U.S. carriers.

    "Despite"? I thought "not having any deals with U.S. carriers" was a desirable feature in a phone. It assures customers that they get a device configured as the manufacturer intends, without the compromises that carriers compel manufacturers to make, and compatible with all major carriers.

    1. Re:I thought unlocked was a feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the summary, with my emphasis:

      Huawei has apparently posted fake reviews on Best Buy for its new Mate 10 Pro, which is available for pre-order in the U.S. despite not having any deals with U.S. carriers.

      "Despite"? I thought "not having any deals with U.S. carriers" was a desirable feature in a phone. It assures customers that they get a device configured as the manufacturer intends, without the compromises that carriers compel manufacturers to make, and compatible with all major carriers.

      Yeah, that's a positive for me. Ordering the phone from Amazon and then putting my own sim card in it is the way to go, as far as I'm concerned.

      A "deal" from a carrier is kind of like a "deal" from the local used car lot.

    2. Re:I thought unlocked was a feature by tepples · · Score: 1

      Now that I think about it, one advantage of a deal with a carrier is that it gets the handset into showrooms so that prospective customers can see and feel the product before buying it. Otherwise, a manufacturer has to fight for limited showroom space in general electronics chains, such as Walmart and Best Buy.

    3. Re:I thought unlocked was a feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the summary, with my emphasis:

      Huawei has apparently posted fake reviews on Best Buy for its new Mate 10 Pro, which is available for pre-order in the U.S. despite not having any deals with U.S. carriers.

      "Despite"? I thought "not having any deals with U.S. carriers" was a desirable feature in a phone.

      It's even worse-- U.S. carriers are not allowed to have deals:

      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jan/13/huawei-china-american-atandt-deal-loss-end-us-ambitions-cyber-security-fears

  11. Welcome to Chinese Marketing by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Been a while since your last trip to the middle country? This is what it's like. Fake positive reviews are all the rage. Negative reviews are removed or shouted down by shills. In China, nobody would even bat an eye. In the near future, nobody in the "democratic" west will either.

    The new normal is upon you.

    1. Re:Welcome to Chinese Marketing by houghi · · Score: 2

      Is this about Yelp or about China? I am confused now.

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    2. Re:Welcome to Chinese Marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this about Yelp or about China?

      Yes.

  12. Huawei = Pain by freudigst · · Score: 1

    It's still slimy behavior that is a reflection of the company.

    I got a Huawei phone as a gift in the past. That gave suffering enough to avoid Chinese electronic products like the plague for decades to come.

    1. Re:Huawei = Pain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What electronics do you own that aren't Chinese?

  13. They really didn't, though. by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    They asked people to write about what they were most interested in with the new phone, and to leave that as their review. They were looking to create hype behind the new device. Instead, idiots decided to write fake reviews about how great the phone they don't have is.

  14. TRWTF is >90% of phone sales through carriers by tepples · · Score: 1

    From the cited article: "Non-carrier sales in the US are less than 10% of the overall 170m a year total." This is, as they say on another forum, TRWTF.

  15. Deeper than REVEALED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The details concerning this ISSUE are much greater than is revealed thus far!!! CIA, NSA, on and on, are exposing backdoors back to Chine. This is common enough among many nation's intelligence agencies including the US but since most preprogrammed electronic devices are shipped with varried loads of undisclosed Bulkware , Bloatware, Spyware,and hacks , one never knows what one is really getting. Revealed recently in many laptops are not just bloatware and spyware but actual TOP SECRET files that could implicate the owner of said device in criminal, terrorist, illegal hacking, child exploitation, human trafficking, and on & on...New laws are needed to properly guarantee the EXACT nature of all programming on new electronic devices! With this exposure, I will sign this as Anonymous Coward XV1