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Windows 10 Compatibility Issues Forcing US Air Force To Scrap a Significant Number of Computers (betanews.com)

The US Department of Defense has decreed that the Air Force must complete its migration to Windows 10 by March 31 2018. From a report: Failure to do so will result in any systems not running Microsoft's latest operating system being denied access to the Air Force Network. However, because Windows 10 is not compatible with many of the Air Force's existing systems, a significant number of computers will need to be replaced in order to hit the deadline.

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  1. Mass Chaos by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I worked for the USAF for 8 years as an Airman and 30 as a civilian. I went from an HP85 for line monitoring at a comm site in 1983 to workstations in an aircraft hangar in 2017. I remember going from win95 to win98 and it was good. We went to win2000 and it was good. XP Pro upgrade was good. Then Vista came.....over 50% of our workstations were down at any one time for over a year. After a few years we got Win7 and it was so wonderful. I use Linux at home but Win7 was as stable as I could wish and a million times better than Vista. They avoided 8 and when I retired last year the big dread was Win10. Nobody likes it at home, I know a bunch of people that bought Macs just because of Win10. I'm glad I'm going to miss that adventure.

    1. Re:Mass Chaos by bhcompy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Win10 is not much different than Win7 in most respects. You can completely ignore the Metro interface for the most part, unlike in Win8. Win10, at this point, is equal to or superior to Win7 in many respects.

    2. Re:Mass Chaos by Wootery · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Windows 10 also has spam in the start menu ('Suggested Apps'), mysterious phoning-home ('telemetry'), on-by-default web-search in the start-bar search, it deliberately makes it difficult to disable Cortana, and they're pushing UWP, the whole point of which appears to be lock people in to Microsoft's app-store that nobody asked for.

      But there's Direct3D 12, which seems neat... if you can't use Vulkan.

    3. Re:Mass Chaos by BBF_BBF · · Score: 3, Informative

      Windows 10 also has spam in the start menu ('Suggested Apps'), mysterious phoning-home ('telemetry'), on-by-default web-search in the start-bar search, it deliberately makes it difficult to disable Cortana, and they're pushing UWP, the whole point of which appears to be lock people in to Microsoft's app-store that nobody asked for.

      But there's Direct3D 12, which seems neat... if you can't use Vulkan.

      These "features" are irrelevant to an Enterprise installation of Windows 10 since they can and should be disabled for all Enterprise installations by competent system administrators.

    4. Re:Mass Chaos by mikael · · Score: 2

      Suggested Apps can be deleted, Cortana can be disabled through the registry. Telemetry can be disabled/blocked. Some other web browsers are just as bad. I've seen telemetry streams go to Kaspersky Labs in Virginina. You can't blame Microsoft for wanting UWP. That was the pain with the old non-networked PDA's like the Palm Pilot in that you needed to keep them sync'ed manually between every machine you docked them with. Without anything like svn or git, a single text file could end up with three or more versions. I can see why they would want to do that. Their solution of course is a cloud password account rather than virtualizing one device into a private cloud server, the OS and other devices.

      The other pains are that it's hard to virtualize Windows 10 into a virtual machine because of all the hardware licensing/security checks.

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    5. Re:Mass Chaos by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 2

      Our VMWare farm does it just fine.

    6. Re:Mass Chaos by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

      Or use the "Long Term Service Branch" Enterprise edition, that doesn't get "feature updates" (AppX packages in layman's terms). However, it's not "so easy" to disable everything. You have to rip out all the AppX installs, then the AppXPackages, and then go into several "System folders", change permissions, and start deleting them. Be careful though, things like Calculator are now "Store apps" so just ripping out every Store app will remove half the normal features users are used to.

      If you don't do all the above, then the next new user that logs in will probably have a bunch of new apps show up. Another step is to clean up a profile, remove all the tiles, then export the startlayout into the Default user Shell profile directory.

    7. Re:Mass Chaos by jezwel · · Score: 2
      I'm running Win10 enterprise at work and all of the things you mention are disabled.

      At home, sure it might be a problem for someone that needs to look at their start menu to figure out how to open an app.
      At work, all that crap is gone. Win10 not running on some hardware is a bigger problem for us - we needed to find devices running older chipsets that still have Win7 drivers as our Win10 migration is dragging out much longer than it should.

    8. Re:Mass Chaos by gtall · · Score: 2

      The short answer is they do not for the same reasons other organizations cannot be rid of MS...too much computing infrastructure and organizational processes rely upon MS software. Throwing Linux in there does not solve those problems. And no organization can halt operations while ripping out MS Malware and replacing it with software, especially not the U.S. Military.

  2. Re:Are they still using XP? by ZeroPly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Driver incompatibility is the big thing. And it's real - when someone's $2,000 microscope camera works with Win7, but not with Win10, upgrading is painful.

    "Slap in a SSD" is great when you have three computers at home. When you're dealing with thousands, the simplest steps become year long projects.

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  3. Re:Really Sppoky to think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Windows 10 Enterprise, but thanks for playing. "Secure Hardware Baseline" using TPM 2.0 is what is the big driver. Even systems only a couple of years old are having to be replaced because mfg's not offering updates from TPM 1.2

  4. Re:govt joins the club by Snotnose · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A better plan is to do gradual upgrades on a schedule.

    Yep, cuz when you're managing 1,000+ systems it's much easier to deal with 5-10 different configurations than it is for just 1.

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  6. Re:govt joins the club by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've seen it way too many times. The typical argument is "Why do I need to replace the controller, it works fine". The answer is, because it runs on a serial board interface on your old Win 95 machine that just died (22 years later) and the board doesn't fit in any new computer, and nobody makes the software for it or makes a replacement serial board to drive the machine.

    The sad thing is, that just might bust the company.

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  7. Re:govt joins the club by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's much easier to deal with 10-20% of your systems being down due to a vendor fuckup than 100%, so I's say yeah that's probably true in this case.

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  8. Re:Are they still using XP? by DivineKnight · · Score: 2
  9. Re:govt joins the club by Narcocide · · Score: 2

    The sad thing is, that just might bust the company.

    Jeez, it's a real shame nobody ever thought of creating another operating system to save these people from Microsoft's reign of terror.

  10. Re:Deep State 9 by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    You sir, are a moron

    I am a moron, but you still get a "woosh!" for not realizing I was joking.

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  11. Re:govt joins the club by Solandri · · Score: 2

    A couple of the small businesses I do computer support for have 1990s-era hardware for mission-critical operations. They're not as clueless as you've described. They knew what they were up against, and bought additional compatible computers, boards, and cables as spares while they were still available. These computers aren't networked so there's no security risk. And the old hardware does the job well enough that it'd be silly for them to spend a lot of money upgrading to a modern system.

    That's what a lot of people who think like you don't seem to get. A lot of business tasks don't need GHz computers with gigabytes of RAM. And if the computer you've got is handling that job just fine, it's a waste of money to upgrade it. Need I remind you we successfully landed people on the moon a half dozen times using a computer with as much processing power as a modern calculator. Bigger/faster is not always better.

  12. Re:Are they still using XP? by AaronW · · Score: 2

    That reminds me of some of the laptop computers I worked on back in the early 1990's. I worked for a well-known laptop manufacturer who made some laptops for the military. The military laptop I worked with was Tempest certified. It had a removable SCSI hard drive where all data on the drive was encrypted. It was a nightmare to take it apart. Once you took off the cover you had to remove all of the RF shielding (128 screws held the RF shielding on, I kid you not!). The screen was an electroluminescent VGA screen with a fine wire mesh in front of it. It was designed so there were no detectable RF emissions. The company's laptops were also quite rugged. One of the other commercial laptops they made was modified to run on the US space shuttle.

    The DOD can have a lot of weird hardware requirements and often the current hardware is what we would consider outdated due to the long development times and how long all the approvals and whatnot took.

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  13. Linux by stooo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Use Linux

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  14. Re:Are they still using XP? by thegarbz · · Score: 2, Funny

    pcmcia cards

    I thought these things were a myth.