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Would You Fear Alien Life or Welcome It? (cnet.com)

If you've ever watched a science fiction movie about aliens, you'll know that humans tend to freak out and destroy everything when faced with incontrovertible proof of the existence of alien life. But a new analysis from Arizona State University psychology professor Michael Varnum and his colleagues suggests that humans might actually remain pretty calm and collected when that big news breaks. CNET reports: Varnum makes this conclusion based on an analysis of newspaper articles covering past potential discoveries of extraterrestrial life. Specifically, he and his colleagues looked at articles about the weird dimming of so-called "Tabby's Star," Earth-like planets around the star Trappist-1, and the potential discovery of Martian microbe fossils from 1996. They found language in the stories demonstrated much more positive emotion than fear or other negative emotions. In a second study, the team also surveyed over 500 people, asking them to guess how they and humanity would react to an announcement that alien microbial life had been discovered. In the case of both their own reaction and everyone else's, the participants hypothesized responses that were more positive than negative. The research was published last month in Frontiers in Psychology.

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  1. Stay calm, unless you're RIAA/MPAA. by Z80a · · Score: 4, Funny

    Given the only truly unique resource we have is our media, there is a possibility that the aliens would be here just to pirate everything, fly away and sell it on some space market.

    1. Re:Stay calm, unless you're RIAA/MPAA. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

      Given the only truly unique resource we have is our media, there is a possibility that the aliens would be here just to pirate everything, fly away and sell it on some space market.

      I'm thinking that the aliens will be interested in our socialist media. They will hack Facebook and meddle with the world's election systems to get themselves elected. Then we will all be enslaved building pyramid alien monuments, and be slowing siphoned off as food.

      Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos.

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    2. Re:Stay calm, unless you're RIAA/MPAA. by DeBaas · · Score: 2

      Give them as a sample the X-factor and dancing on ice. They'll move on and never bother us again.

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  2. I for one... by darkain · · Score: 2

    I for one, welcome our new alien overlords!

  3. Iain M. Banks on 'Outside Context Problems' by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    This novel is about how the Culture deals with an Outside Context Problem (OCP), the kind of problem "most civilizations would encounter just once, and which they tended to encounter rather in the same way a sentence encountered a full stop."

    This is a problem that is "outside the context" as it is generally not considered until it occurs, and the capacity to actually conceive of or consider the OCP in the first place may not be possible or very limited (i.e., the majority of the group's population may not have the knowledge or ability to realize that the OCP can arise, or assume it is extremely unlikely). An example of OCP is an event in which a civilization does not consider the possibility that a much more technologically advanced society can exist, and then encounters one. The term is coined by Banks for the purpose of this novel, and described as follows:

    The usual example given to illustrate an Outside Context Problem was imagining you were a tribe on a largish, fertile island; you'd tamed the land, invented the wheel or writing or whatever, the neighbors were cooperative or enslaved but at any rate peaceful and you were busy raising temples to yourself with all the excess productive capacity you had, you were in a position of near-absolute power and control which your hallowed ancestors could hardly have dreamed of and the whole situation was just running along nicely like a canoe on wet grass... when suddenly this bristling lump of iron appears sailless and trailing steam in the bay and these guys carrying long funny-looking sticks come ashore and announce you've just been discovered, you're all subjects of the Emperor now, he's keen on presents called tax and these bright-eyed holy men would like a word with your priests.

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    1. Re: Iain M. Banks on 'Outside Context Problems' by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      Well if we follow the Japanese example we'll reorganize our society on alien lines, get technological parity and then go into full on 'conquer the universe' mode

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Of course the technological difference between Perry and the Japanese wasn't that great.

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  4. Re:Americans can't even deal with brown skin... by Z80a · · Score: 2

    It's ok to be white.
    You're not responsible by what your ancestors did and you have no impossible "historical debt" to pay
    Just treat everyone with respect, independent of their physical characteristics and everything fix itself eventually.

  5. Re:Americans can't even deal with brown skin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Also factor in intelligence. What if we find a planet with life but the most intelligent species are smart as our dogs? What if we found out their meat is delicious. Will we domesticate them for meat? How smart they do have to be for us to treat them as equals? By that measure will advanced aliens even consider us sentient?

  6. Hasn't worked out well in our history by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In every case where an advanced civilization has encountered a much less advanced civilization, it hasn't worked out well for the less advanced civilization. Ask Native Americans if they think that the arrival of Europeans was good for their culture.

    So, why should we expect that the arrival of aliens (who one can expect to be much more advanced than us) would be good for us?

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    1. Re:Hasn't worked out well in our history by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      the need for Earth-like resources could be met by visiting a whole range of unoccupied planets.

      Only if the resource they need is minerals or water. Not if it's lunch.

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    2. Re:Hasn't worked out well in our history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm (part) Native American and I am glad for the mixing of cultures. We've benefitted tremendously from the adding of European's. You make the mistake of seeing all Native Americans as one monolithic failure but the reality is most of us adapted and merged with the waves of Europeans and benefitted from the change.

  7. Count me out by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    The bleached Tribble on Trump's head kind of freaks me out.

  8. Murphy's law of quantum superposition by Solandri · · Score: 2

    If we fear it and kill the first alien visitor, they will turn out to be peaceful and friendly, and our hostile reaction will cause galactic civilizations to shun and ostracize us.

    If we welcome it and greet the first alien visitor with open arms, they will turn out to be conquerors who will ruthlessly subjugate the planet, enslaving half the population and eating the other half.

    1. Re:Murphy's law of quantum superposition by Kjella · · Score: 2

      I think it's overly optimistic that our opinion would matter. Either we're likely to discover some extinct or microbiological life that is no threat to us at all or a civilization so advanced that even if we were aggressive it'd be like those isolated Amazon tribes throwing spears after helicopters. Remember that 10000 years ago we were cavemen, in 10000 years we'll either be demigods or have destroyed ourselves. In the billions of years the universe has existed we're a very tiny blip and that we should happen to meet aliens on even remotely the same technological level seems unlikely.

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  9. Indians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Should the Mayans and Aztecs have feared the Spanish conquistadors, or welcomed them?
    Should the Aborigines have welcomed the colonizers from England, or feared them?
    Should the American Indians have feared the colonizers from Europe, or welcomed them?
    Should the North American beavers have welcomed the colonizers from Europe, or feared them?

    When people fantasize about intelligent alien visitors, they usually place their intelligence level and physical characteristics close to our own. I am certain that would not be the case. Most likely they would mash us like potatoes. On the off chance they come in peace, the level of disruption they would cause to our worldwide community and economy would be immense.

    1. Re:Indians by quantaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Should the Mayans and Aztecs have feared the Spanish conquistadors, or welcomed them?
      Should the Aborigines have welcomed the colonizers from England, or feared them?
      Should the American Indians have feared the colonizers from Europe, or welcomed them?
      Should the North American beavers have welcomed the colonizers from Europe, or feared them?

      When people fantasize about intelligent alien visitors, they usually place their intelligence level and physical characteristics close to our own. I am certain that would not be the case. Most likely they would mash us like potatoes. On the off chance they come in peace, the level of disruption they would cause to our worldwide community and economy would be immense.

      European colonization was undertaken by a culture primitive by our standards, not to mention the standards of technologically advanced aliens.

      Using European colonization as a template for alien contact will serve us about as well as using local conflicts as a template for European colonization served aboriginal populations.

      Aliens are unlikely to mash us like potatoes if for no other reason than they don't need to, they'll come at us with an extremely complex civilizations and deal with us without the bounds of the rules of that civilization.

      I think an "extinguish all other intelligent life" rule is unlikely if for no other reason than they really don't want that rule to be in effect if they encounter a superior civilization. More likely we'll be pulled into some kind of interstellar bureaucracy, the objectives of which change on whether one species or multiple species is actually in change.

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    2. Re: Indians by jecowa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Earth develops the warp engine and can travel 10,000 times the speed of light. A planet is discovered containing extra terrestrials with technology as advanced as the Native Americans were in the 1700s. How do you think the people of Earth would treat them? If the alein planet were found to be rich in a valuable natural resource, do you think this would change Earth's reaction?

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    3. Re: Indians by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      They should make a movie about that. Make the aliens blue, just because.

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  10. Re:Depends on faster-than-light by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Another possibility is that once we viruses sent in messages we receive by SETI.

    If the message tells you how to do something, the odds are that thing will be to send messages as efficiently as possible because messages like that would be more common than ones that helpfully sent the Encyclopedia Galactica.

    If I was writing Contact the machine the aliens sent the blueprint for would replicate to form a bunch of copies, disassembling the Earth/planets for materials in the process, and then surround the sun as a Dyson swarm and use all its energy output to send very powerful copies of the message to distant stars forever.

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  11. Re:Depends on faster-than-light by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

    It will be all computers anyway. It's just a matter of time here and probably everywhere else too, and the computers won't care about the meat creatures.

  12. Re:Aliens can't or won't visit us by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry but aliens were invented to convince dumb people to give smart scientists money. Let me explain. No life can exist without a sun, which is actually a star. The closest star to us is about 4 light years away. That means it takes light 4 years to travel that distance. Light travels extremely fast, 186,287 miles per second, and according to special relativity we can never go the speed of light because it requires infinite energy. So even if we could go a speed we can never go, it would take 4 years to get to the closest star. From there the distance goes up. Those stars you see in the sky are hundreds and thousands of light years away, which means at the fastest speed man has ever heard of, it would still take hundreds or thousands of years to reach. But imagine for a second there is some being that has the technology to travel that fast, why in the hell would they waste hundreds or thousands of years to visit us? Their technology compared to ours is like comparing humans to ants, there is nothing interesting about us at all compared to them. So aliens either don't exist or can't or won't visit us

    "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so."

    To clarify my H2G2 reference, time is a human concept. Humans tend to have a specific definition of a lifetime based on our biological makeup and limitations, roughly equating to a century or less. We have no idea what alien makeup will be, but logic dictates that their definition of a lifetime will be relative.

    There are countless galaxies in existence, and you are failing to take into account that an alien lifetime could last a million light years, and a trip to our planet could be no more than a lunchtime break for them, even traveling considerably slower than our perceived light-speed limits.

    TL; DR - Stop limiting your thinking within human-defined bounds. Whomever may come and visit, I just hope they know how to make a decent Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster. It would certainly help answer the question posed here.

  13. Depends on how delicious they find us by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    Their speed isn't so much what's interesting, their appetite might be.

  14. Re:Hopefully welcoming by jouassou · · Score: 2

    Microbes discovered in the Venusian atmosphere? I would be very genuinely concerned about cross-contamination - you know, from those who will argue that it must be brought down to the surface of the earth

    Luckily, that's a falsifiable hypothesis. Basically all life on Earth uses the same DNA code, where 64 nitrogen base triplets map to 20 distinct amino acids (plus some controls, like start/stop codons).

    Even if alien life evolved in a similar way as us, it's unlikely that they'd use exactly the same amino acids: there are millions of known amino acids, and they form spontaneously without life. Even on Earth, there are a couple of species that use an extra amino acid or two compared to us.

    However, even if it turns out that those 20 amino acids are somehow universal, the mapping from DNA codes to amino acids is completely arbitrary. It's the ASCII of Earth biology. So the laws of combinatorics means that at least their DNA code shouldn't match our unless we share a common ancestor.

    So if we find DNA we can understand, we share an ancestor.

  15. Re:Americans can't even deal with brown skin... by thesupraman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your father and/or your grandfather (depending on your age) had sex with your mother/grandmother in a society which almost by definition gave him a position of power to demand she obey him in such matters. Modern views would consider that non-consensual, and by definition rape.
    As you are the outcome of that crime (extend back further in history if you want to make it stronger) you are by definition profiting and prospering from what we now consider crimes.

    Or, alternatively, you could consider that perhaps, even though we may not currently agree with actions taken historically, as we had no influence over them, and as they were not crimes at the time, we do not in fact have a responsibility because of them.

    See how it works?

  16. Re:Depends on faster-than-light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do you mean computer viruses?

    Even then I find it hard to believe a possibility. Knowing how to hack our computers never having worked with one... That's would be like asking a modern day hacker to hack the enigma machine without seeing it, knowing its specs, knowing how it works, and be able to do it remotely without the recipient knowing.

  17. What if we're the first? by mark-t · · Score: 2

    Flipping the question around, what if we are the first sentient species in the universe? What if the next one isn't likely to come around for billions or even trillions of years? If it were possible, somehow, for us to know this, what would that mean,,or what should that mean for us, as a species?

  18. Re:Hopefully welcoming by dryeo · · Score: 2

    There's also the panspermia hypothesis where life has colonized the planets of the solar system (or further) and all the life is related, eg life originating on Venus and colonizing the Earth (and Mars) through meteors or such, in which case it may very well use the same amino acids. There's also the science fictional idea of a former civilization seeding the galaxy with life.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  19. that's not how odds work by c6gunner · · Score: 2

    With this in mind, there's really only 4 possible scenarios: reconnaissance, plunder, destruction, or assistance. So there's a 2/4 chance our race is fucked, a 1/4 chance that we don't notice anything at all, and a 1/4 chance of becoming a thriving interstellar civilization.

    If you get behind the wheel of your car, there are really only 6 possible scenarios:

    1. You crash into a tree and die.
    2. You crash into a car and die.
    3. You crash into a truck and die.
    4. You crash into a wall and die.
    5. You crash into a pedestrian and badly damage your car.
    6. You make it home safe.

    So there's a 5/6 chance that you're fucked, and only a 1/6 chance of a happy outcome.