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Virgin Hyperloop One is Coming To India (cnet.com)

Hyperloop is coming to India. From a report: The western-central Indian state of Maharashta plans to build a Virgin Hyperloop track between Pune and Mumbai, British entrepreneur and Virgin boss Richard Branson announced on Monday in a blog post. Virgin Hyperloop One will start by building a demo track, with the aim of eventually supporting 150 million passenger trips per year. It should reduce the 2.5-hour car journey or 3-hour train journey between the two cities to just 25 minutes, and will also stop off at Mumbai airport.

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  1. Re: Limited audience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your mom just started taking bitcoin.

    But she's a whore, so...

  2. I'm glad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that the first catastrophic failure will happen somewhere else

    1. Re:I'm glad... by geekmux · · Score: 1

      ...that the first catastrophic failure will happen somewhere else

      Since when has a catastrophic failure stood in the way of capitalistic greed?

    2. Re:I'm glad... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All progress involves some failures. America used to accept failures. Today we avoid progress.

    3. Re:I'm glad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      America is flat broke, and most Americans are buried under debt. The show is over.

    4. Re:I'm glad... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      ...that the first catastrophic failure will happen somewhere else

      Since when has a catastrophic failure stood in the way of capitalistic greed?

      How well does non-capitalism do with respect to catastrophic failure of things, if they even ever get built?

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    5. Re:I'm glad... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      America used to accept failures.

      Why does everything have to be about Trump with you libs?

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    6. Re:I'm glad... by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      The Soviet Union fell apart, both China and Vietnam implemented reforms that brought market economies into play, and Venezuela is on the brink of civil war. I'd have to say that from current and historical evidence, that non-market economies based around central planning, nationalization of industries, or other communist policies tend to perform poorly.

    7. Re:I'm glad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop hitting yourself

    8. Re:I'm glad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever happened to Elon, wasn't the hyperloop his?

    9. Re:I'm glad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Communism fails for the same reason pure capitalism fails. Human greed.

      Communism usually devolves into fascism and dictatorships. This happens because of one of the tent poll tenants of communism is doing the best you can do for the group. Well not everyone is fit to run the bread factory. But they are good at organizing...

      Capitalism devolves into feudalism. This happens through consolidation, price fixing, and collusion. Once you get to a particular amount of money you realize you can just lock out your competition or buy them outright or buy a political critter to make a law.

      Of the two we know how to control capitalism can be brought to heel if we discourage conglomerations and monopolies.

      Communism usually has s central authority where one size fits all approach fails mostly. This is because it encourages hidden behavior out of people to hide what little wealth they have. Which in turn requires a strong reaction from the group to discourage it. That creates organizations to spy on each other. Communism and its bloody brother socialism are responsible for some the largest bloodbaths in our human history. With estimates of 200+ million murdered in their names. Those who advocate for it have to be actively blind to what the end goals of those schools of thought.

      The *only* way communism or socialism work in the long term is if we have unlimited energy and star trek like replicator devices. Even then we probably would fuck it up somehow. Until then we know capitalism fails slower and has a much lower body count.

    10. Re:I'm glad... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      If you read about the things that the Soviets did during WWII, or that China did during the Great Leap Forward, you might get come to the conclusion that totalitarian communism has much more capacity for great projects, especially highly risky ones, than does capitalism.

      The way totalitarian communism accomplished those things isn't pretty, but then unfettered capitalism isn't really any better.

      Building a hyperloop is a small enough project that a sufficiently rich and convincing person, like Branson or Musk, can start a company and pull it off. But a company internally is pretty much a totalitarian regime with a centrally planned economy anyway.

    11. Re:I'm glad... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I'd have to say that from current and historical evidence, that non-market economies based around central planning, nationalization of industries, or other communist policies tend to perform poorly.

      Which is why ordinary high-speed rail, let alone the Hyperloop, will not be built in California, at least until the Chinese get there.

    12. Re:I'm glad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Communism fails because it lacks a feedback mechnism to encourage effective labor. Given time the smarter people figure out they can screw around with no negative consequences as long as they parrot the right propaganda and then the selfish (most of humanity) implement the strategy after learning of it.

      Capitalism fails because effective labor has a positive feedback loop and given time this leads to a power imbalance similar to what martial prowess had in the ancient world.

      The latter can be mitigated by kicking over sufficiently large anthills (breaking up monopolies, estate taxes, consumer protection laws, etc.) to keep the power gradient from getting too harsh. The former requires a complete overhaul of the human condition to correct.

    13. Re:I'm glad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But a company internally is pretty much a totalitarian regime with a centrally planned economy anyway.

      Centrally planned, I'll grant you. But "totalitarian"? That's not remotely accurate. Totalitarian regimes are not known for allowing their citizens to post a two week's notice and then walk out the door.

    14. Re:I'm glad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Communism usually devolves into fascism and dictatorships. Communism and its bloody brother socialism are responsible for some the largest bloodbaths in our human history. With estimates of 200+ million murdered in their names.

      Communism doesn't have a governing body at all. The transition to communism must have something like a dictator, and that is the failure point. So having never reached it(total lack of governance), the deaths are attributable to dictatorships, which we already know suck. The current successful capitalists have worked hard to quell the threat of communism, and fostered the idea that it was to blame. But if you compare what you believe of communism now and a dictatorship, there is no difference.

    15. Re: I'm glad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you fellate George Soros, does his cock taste like money?

    16. Re: I'm glad... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      When you fellate George Soros, does his cock taste like money?

      I cannot confirm or deny. He paid me $130,000 to sign an NDA. I understand that's the going rate.

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    17. Re:I'm glad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tent poll tenants

      Moron.

    18. Re:I'm glad... by quenda · · Score: 1

      will not be built in California, at least until the Chinese get there.

      You mean "get back there". Didn't the Chinese build the existing railways to California?

    19. Re:I'm glad... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Of course, all of those countries you've mentioned were already performing poorly with extreme poverty under capitalism. I don't favor communism (I believe in capitalism with high taxes), but the fact of the matter is that it has only been adopted by nations that were desperately failing already and it is thus suspect to conclude failure of communism from the continued failure of those nations.

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    20. Re:I'm glad... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      You mean "get back there". Didn't the Chinese build the existing railways to California?

      Yes, but Chinese-Californians have rights now so they're no longer interested in being exploited. To get things done quickly and cheaply we need a new disposable labor force. Hopefully someday that'll be robots instead of humans.

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    21. Re:I'm glad... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Totalitarian regimes are not known for allowing their citizens to post a two week's notice and then walk out the door.

      In the USA, millions of workers with medical conditions can't post a two week's notice and walk out the door without losing their and their family's health insurance and risking their lives. Not so different.

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    22. Re:I'm glad... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      You mean "get back there". Didn't the Chinese build the existing railways to California?

      That was as Lelend Stanford's cheap labor. This time around, we will need their capital and their ability to ignore the yammerheads and git 'r' done.

    23. Re:I'm glad... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      EDIT: Leland Stanford.

    24. Re:I'm glad... by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      The socialist world has had their failures too - Chernobyl for one. Another destroyed town in (the Urals?) in the former USSR, that was completely contaminated. Escapes of bacteriological weaponized anthrax that killed many. Etc.

    25. Re:I'm glad... by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      There's an easy to to stop having personal debt - stop overspending!

    26. Re:I'm glad... by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      That's a good question as typically it's libs who can't stand having failures.

    27. Re:I'm glad... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      That's a good question as typically it's libs who can't stand having failures.

      While rock-ribbed conservatives like you and I embrace our failures.

      Which reminds me, did you see that Mitt Romney is running for senate?

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    28. Re:I'm glad... by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Communism fails for the same reason pure capitalism fails. Human greed.

      If your system does not take human greed into account, then it fails.

    29. Re:I'm glad... by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Failure s*cks no matter what. But *shrug* it is what it is. Mitt Romney - he can go away as far as I"m concerned.

  3. In India? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How are they going to have all those people hanging off the outside of the train in the vacuum?

    1. Re:In India? by TWX · · Score: 0

      How are they going to have all those people hanging off the outside of the train in the vacuum?

      Just a theory, this is a way to put a stop to that and to make a form of longer distance mass-transit more appealing to middle-class Indians that might currently avoid it specifically due to the conditions on the conventional rail lines...

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    2. Re:In India? by Cedillas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. Being an American that spends several months of the year in Mumbai, I understand the frustration of using the conventional rail lines and the greater frustration with traffic during peak hours. This will be popular with the middle-class. I would expect it to be a win for Pune as well.

    3. Re:In India? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Space suits

    4. Re:In India? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of. choose is gojng in a pace where great is legendary. What a beautiful way to steal money from the taxpayer

    5. Re:In India? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, air baggies. Nobody's paying for a full space suit.

    6. Re:In India? by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 1

      They'd thwang off the side of the compression tubes. That'd learn 'em. Maybe that was the plan?

    7. Re: In India? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still don't understand how the passengers are supposed to breathe for 25 minutes inside a train inside a vacuum tube. Do they bring NASA style oxygen tanks and CO2 scrubbers with them? What happens if a train gets stuck?

    8. Re:In India? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...more appealing to middle-class Indians that might currently avoid it specifically due to the conditions on the conventional rail lines...

      Didn't know the middle class existed in India. What do they normally use to get around instead? Helicopters?

    9. Re:In India? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha, that is the explanation for this project! The people from higher castes are fed up from the lower caste hangers messing with their view so much that they are willing to retreat into vacuum tubes to avoid it.

  4. "Virgin Hyperloop" is Trump Jr's code name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vacuous tube of vaporware suggestions, check...

  5. Let's hope this goes as well as Virgin rockets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And Virgin trains. Branson is great at bullshit, hype and deal-making. Large engineering projects ... not so much.

    1. Re:Let's hope this goes as well as Virgin rockets by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      Branson hasnt got a lot of involvement in Hyperloop one. He just put an investment in last year of reasonable enough size to warrant whacking Virgin in front of the name

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    2. Re:Let's hope this goes as well as Virgin rockets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By bus or train, the cost should be a lot cheaper than Hyperloop (if it was successfully implemented). I still think how many passengers from buses & trains could afford the traveling cost as the company claimed to be serving that many people a year?

  6. Re: Limited audience by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 0

    Whores are paid, his mom does it for free.

  7. Re:Limited audience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IT, up the ass.

  8. Roof Riding by Geodesy99 · · Score: 0

    How are people going to breath in vacuum? http://www.nationalturk.com/en...

  9. Not gonna happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Branson, eh?

    How's Virgin Galactic coming along?

  10. Whatever .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All progress involves some failures. America used to accept failures. Today we avoid progress.

    Whatever Wang Chung. You need to get out of Silly Valley and away from the buffoons that took the place over because you're turning into one of them.

    1. Re:Whatever .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His statement was right on the money. The citizens, not the government, have caused this state of affairs because the lack the courage to accept risks. Today's social warriors don't try to address and correct problems they are only interested in finding someone to blame. The US would never have landed someone on the moon if they had to deal with today's society. There is no way in hell today's society would accept the sizeable risks undertaking to put someone on the moon. In 1967 the public did not even blink when one of the Apollo missions blew up on the launch pad killing three astronauts. If that happened today the public would demand all space exploration programs get cancelled.

      They same kind of people who have weaponized the Constitution and Bill of Rights to destroy the same government who is tasked with providing and protecting their rights.

  11. Can we pile more Indians on Roof???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will the hyperloop support overloading people on the roofs like it is done now?

  12. Re: Limited audience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was it your mother then? I know I sent somebody a bitcoin and ended up losing my boner.

  13. Where will they sit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So,..no sitting on top of the train, or hanging out the doorway?

    1. Re:Where will they sit? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Ah, sitting. For a second I thought it said something else.

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  14. Capacity planning may be problematic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    One of the problems with infrastructure development in India is that your planned capacity will always be exceeded due to population growth.

    Hyperloop has an estimated capacity of 840 passengers/hour
    http://www.uschyperloop.com/hyperloop/

    Mumbai's suburban rail currently carries 4500 passengers/hour peak
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai_Suburban_Railway

    1. Re:Capacity planning may be problematic by hey! · · Score: 1

      From a financial perspective, this isn't a problem, unless your plan is to ditch every other form of transportation in favor of Hyperloop.

      If you have 2000 passengers/hour who *want* to ride Hyperloop at the price you're charging, and you can only take 840/hour, you simply raise your prices until demand equals supply. It's basic economics.

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    2. Re:Capacity planning may be problematic by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      Where in your plan is there room for bureaucrats to take bribes for the available seats? This is India we're talking about, their basic economics are just different.

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  15. I'll wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll wait for the Chad Hyperloop instead.

  16. Your math is way off by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Regardless of what the hyperloop website says, if you look at the actual press release whatever they are doing claims to support 150 million passengers a year, way more than 840 per hour.

    Obviously capacity may be increased by larger cars, a larger tunnel, or simply more tunnels and cars running simultaneously (more likely).

    Just like when building websites for the web you want to make sure you are building "webscale", when building transportation in India you want to make sure you are building it "India-scale". :--)

    Also of course, the system is not meant to replace the train but add another option. The train will keep running, it will just be easier to move between cities for those that can afford it. That will probably boost the economy quite a bit...

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    1. Re:Your math is way off by az-saguaro · · Score: 1

      Wording of that press release is a little loose, but what it implies is that this is just a demo track, which if successful, will permit [nationwide?] buildout to a larger network that will eventually handle 150M per annum.

  17. Virgin Hyperloop One is Coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't that mean Hyperloop One is no longer a virgin? Damn headline writers.

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    1. Re:Q: SNOWDEN is CIA plant in war with the NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a moron.

  19. Will they have bathrooms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'cause that'd already be pretty high tech in India where a coffee can in the front yard is their current waste treatment plan.

  20. What about the people on top? by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    Every video of trains from India, has almost as many people ON TOP of the train cars, that ride in them, not to mention the ones that get BBQ'd. ;)

    1. Re:What about the people on top? by kamathln · · Score: 1

      That says a lot about the media than the trains.

  21. Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Several places are "planning" to build a hyperloop.

    Let me know when someplace actually breaks ground for one.

  22. buy a TGV from the French by bugs2squash · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mumbai and Pune are 161km apart. A regular euro style high speed train could make it in half an hour.

    It would mean upgrading the track, adding electrification and controlling how the track is accessed / crossed, but it seems cheaper than building and maintaining an evacuated tube and the regular train could carry far more people and goods.

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    1. Re:buy a TGV from the French by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Sure, but of course that's not the point. The point is to prove it can be done now. If there's already an obvious corridor that doesn't require a lot of expensive land acquisition or tunnelling or something else that would get in the way of actually building the thing, it makes sense.

      And yes, the TGV would be cheaper, but enough people travel on this route that it won't make a loss if it works.

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    2. Re:buy a TGV from the French by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea but how can you shit off the side of a Hyperloop. It won't work for the Indian market.

  23. Re:PopeRatzo is a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PopeRatzo did all that? Wow, I wonder how he has time to hang around Slashdot.

  24. Re:PopeRatzo is a moron by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Yes, folks. PopeRatzo here literally is the dumbest person posting here on /..

    "Literally".

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  25. Re:PopeRatzo is a moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be fair, Literally (1c) doesn't have to be literal any more.

  26. Re:PopeRatzo is a moron by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1
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  27. Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, he's the better-looking version of Trump?

  28. Users need to be on an Indian diet. by az-saguaro · · Score: 1

    How will a high speed Vindaloop traveling through a tight tunnel Curry favor among riders that prefer sitting on the outside of the rail cars? Let's face it, India has a big population with transportation challenges. In dense urban areas, people can practice Pakora, running obstacle course style through the crowds, but that only gets you so far. Elsewhere in the world, small buses and shared taxis known as jitneys can transport small groups, but the Indian version, Chutney's, can hardly keep pace with the large traveling public. Conventional overland rail companies like the Mumbai & Western, and the Chapati & Papadum are already overcrowded and far too slow, not to mention safety issues of a ridership that prefers rooftop seating. The Vindaloop is a beguiling technology, but will it be accepted by those who prefer having their Kofta's squeezed out the window on every ride? The proposed trains will sport beige colors, because dark colors will absorb more light, and the coefficient of expansion might swell them too large to fit the fine tolerance tunnels, and when those Tan Doors close, the people best be all on the inside. Our reporter, Sam Osa, spoke with locals who expressed their concerns. One mother, Ma Sala, told us she feared for her boys who ride the train. "Things will get too crowded inside, but with no leg room outside, then what?" Naan of that matters of course if it proves safe. One can only hope that the J.D. Powers Raitas will be high enough to attract ridership.

  29. Re:PopeRatzo is a moron by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

    Isn't that a bit nitty, Jim?

  30. If there's vacuum outside...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....then you can't open a window.

    Imagine the stench in the train from 840 smelly Idian passengers/hr shitting in the aisle !

    As a regular (although reluctant) visitor to Mumbai every year (business) I can only attest to the unimaginable filth that assaults ones senses constantly in India.

    I am reminded of that awful stench-bomb developed by the Israelis for urban pacification. Think the foulest possible odour imaginable, in a grenade/gas cannister type scenario. Supposedly the foul smell emitted can drop a healthy man like a stunned cow in seconds.

    Indian police bought some and tried them out on a bunch of protesting/rioting rabble in the streets.

    Turns out Indians are immune.

    They already deal with such smells every day out in the streets.

    Can you imagine !?!?!?!?!?!??!!!!!>........... *retch*

    1. Re:If there's vacuum outside...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw half decomposed bodies floating down the Ganges and no-one blinked an eye. They were washing and drinking not 20 yards away.

      I am aware it's part of the burial process there, but it's still truly awful.

      How any of them make it to adulthood beats me.

      It is truly a disgusting place. The trash is knee deep next to the Taj Mahal too, just out of camera shot when looking at the front. There's dead things mixed in with it. Hideous.

    2. Re: If there's vacuum outside...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked over there near Dehli in 2015, its the only place I have seen on my extensive global travels where the river was black and you could smell it from 400yds away. I can't even imagine what was in the water, but on the other bank someone was wading in and washing his clothes.

  31. Some statistics please? by kamathln · · Score: 1

    What percentage of the comments is not racist or ignoramus flavored?

  32. eeeuh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    still no working prototype

  33. Exactly what they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A transport system that the rich can use to get around really fast in their cars without being troubled by the outside world.

  34. Premature by fedos · · Score: 1

    Why are they investing in building these things when their feasibility has yet to be demonstarted. Not to mention the safety and security issues that its proponents haven't even acknowledged.

  35. America allows plenty of failures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just look at the SLS!

    DHS.

    TSA.

    NSA.

    FBI. :)

    Gay, apparently all those acronyms fail the lameness filter as 'yelling'.

    Wish it could tell the difference between TLAs and actual all caps yelling.