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Former Google Employee Files Lawsuit Alleging the Company Fired Him Over Pro-Diversity Posts (theverge.com)

According to court documents filed today, a former Google engineer is suing the company for discrimination, harassment, retaliation, and wrongful termination. "Tim Chevalier, a software developer and former site-reliability engineer at Google, claims that Google fired him when he responded with internal posts and memes to racist and sexist encounters within the company and the general response to the now-infamous James Damore memo," reports The Verge. From the report: Chevalier said in a statement to The Verge, "It is a cruel irony that Google attempted to justify firing me by claiming that my social networking posts showed bias against my harassers." Chevalier, who is also disabled and transgender, alleges that his internal posts that defended women of color and marginalized people led directly to his termination in November 2017. He had worked at Google for a little under two years. Notably, Chevalier's posts had been quoted in Damore's lawsuit against Google -- in which Damore sued the company for discrimination against conservative white men -- as evidence Google permitted liberals to speak out at the company unpunished. Chevalier's lawsuit alleges that his firing is, in fact, a form of punishment. The lawsuit was filed in San Francisco County Superior Court and Chevalier is seeking damages for lost wages, emotional distress, punitive damages, and injunctive relief against those alleged harmful acts. Google did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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  1. It is all a bit perplexing. by CptLoRes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Regardless of you gender, race, beliefs, whatever, there are some unspoken but very obvious rules about what you say and don't say on company time. Especially in written form. But apparently some people didn't get the memo..

  2. Work? by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do they do any real work at Google anymore or just write weird memos about social justice all day?

    1. Re:Work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They were programmed from an early age in public schools, which filled their heads with left wing ideology they were not allowed to question.

      This is the youth of today - good luck.

    2. Re:Work? by hey! · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, dashing off a memo (one way or the other) doesn't take a lot of time.

      What does take a lot of time, cumulatively speaking is reading such memos. If you send a memo and it gets distributed to a couple of hundred people, the cost of that memo can be staggering.

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    3. Re:Work? by AbRASiON · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know a dude who works there and he feels like he's undercover at this point, there's constant inane memos about excessive SJW stuff.

      Sure, obviously they do actual work in the place, but the diversity and equality group or whomever they are, really seem to have their fingers in every pie, fussing over the most inane bullshit.

    4. Re:Work? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A while back I did some consultancy work for a company that made gaming machines. It was actually kind of interesting to go out to the companies who used them. Most of them still had a few engineers who were understandably fed up that their company had brought in an outside solution instead of the in house one they'd championed. However they had loads of executive types who spent their time having boozy pub lunches, usually ending in an angry political rant.

      It reminded me a bit of the idea of a 'resource curse', the notion that 'that countries with an abundance of natural resources (like fossil fuels and certain minerals), tend to have less economic growth, less democracy, and worse development outcomes than countries with fewer natural resources'.

      It's possible that there's something analogous happening with Google - once they worked out how to make piles of cash from ads and not from developing new software it all started to stagnate.

      Or look at Valve. Valve used to make some very interesting video games, peaking around the Orange Box with Half Life II and Portal. However now they've got an income from Steam they too seem to produce less than they used to.

      In Google's case it seems like they've hired a lot of smart people fresh out of good universities but most of them get stuck in a profoundly stagnant environment. So the politics starts up. Interestingly in Google it's not normal company politics - trying to bring down your rivals at work - but rather the sort of identity politics you see at elite universities. And a few people on the other side pointing out how silly this stuff is.

      So the sort of insanity that played out at Evergreen and Harvard and Yale now plays out at Google.

      I think the reason Google can survive it for as long as it does is that it's profitable mostly because of ad revenues, not producing new software. Android and Chrome are free after all, and have become the default choice like Windows and Internet Explorer used to be.

      I.e. the resource curse has allowed them to survive despite having a culture which is more about student politics than having to deliver anything to critical customers on time.

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    5. Re:Work? by jader3rd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A guy in my church congregation who works at Google, mentioned about three weeks ago that he feels if he ever says "I think that a marriage between a man and woman is good." He'll be escorted right out of campus. It does make me think how much non-development communication has to go on there to have such a fear.

    6. Re:Work? by jemmyw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think you're right. When the money pressure was removed from Google they started doing interesting things, but that period was quite short lived before stagnation overtook.

  3. They just want people to get back to work by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the main issue here is that Google doesn't want people arguing this stuff on company time instead of working. Fighting against social ills like sexism and discrimination is a noble cause, but if employees are spending half their time doing so instead of working, the company will suffer.

    Better to rid of toxic people on both sides than to allow them to rile up others and cause big social problems within the company. A lot of times a group of people will work quite well as a team until politics is brought up, then it's practically World War Three.

  4. So if you are incompetent and about to get fired by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just quickly post some things like these. Not saying this is what happened here, but seems to be a flaw in the system.

    It is also quite possible the actual problem here is these companies having styled themselves too much as a "home" and "welcoming place" in order to attract talented people (and have them work long hours uncompensated) and people working there are less and less aware that it is a place of work. You know, one of those places were you keep politics out and are expected to behave professionally all the time ...

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  5. Google has a what now? by martinX · · Score: 3, Funny

    FTFA:
    "A Google employee allegedly responded to the post by noting that asking for ID was just part of the job, Gizmodo reported. Chevalier then made a privilege-denying dude meme using Google’s internal meme generator with the caption, “I have opinions about forms of oppression that don’t affect me.” "

    Google has an internal meme generator. I'm sure it provides hours of laughter and cohesive working.

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  6. Re: Just plain hypocrisy by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is just the opposite end of the spectrum from James Damore.

    Maybe if you're looking at it as the irrational bigotry in this chick's rants being the polar opposite of the kind of rational, nuanced case put forward by Danmore. But if you're talking about politics and particular stances, then no, there's no "opposite spectrum" to a centrist.

  7. Transgender Lesbian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm constantly being harassed because I'm a transgendered lesbian person of no-color - although I identify as Asian. People just assume that because I look like a white man and act like a heterosexual man, that I'm white heterosexual guy. When I tell them that my wife is a transgendered homosexual man of no-color but identifies as Black and that I'm in a non-traditional marriage, folks don't take me seriously. I get thrown out of LGBTQ groups and made fun of. Just because she has a vagina and breasts and can get pregnant doesn't mean he is a woman. And just because I can get erections doesn't mean I'm a man.

    People really need to stop this bigotry.

  8. Re:An strange development by Pseudonym · · Score: 3

    I'll bite. Where did you get those numbers from?

    Not saying you're right, not saying you're wrong. Just looking for source data.

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  9. Re:Just plain hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only reason why they ever created the term "cisgender" is because they simply cannot bring themselves to call it what it really is: normal.

    Admitting this through word choice would remove much of the wind from their proverbial sails.

  10. Re:Lots by stephanruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure, the Republican party is funding the Damore lawsuit, but this lawsuit, the one started by this transgender person, I doubt that's being funded by the Republican party.

    That last lawsuit against Google could be funded by Google against itself for all I know, to show that they're not showing bias in firing people since people from both sides are suing them.

  11. He never wrote any pro-diversity posts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Anonymous for obvious reasons.

    I reported Tim to HR several times. Good to see that the system works.

    Tim posted a lot. A lot. Pretty much all of was abuse.
    I never saw any good faith pro diversity posts from him, so the article is wrong in that regard.
    Instead, his usual posting style consists of jumping into a discussion and start hurling serious abuse and personal attacks against whomever he thought was in the wrong.

    He regularly calls other work colleagues Nazi, Racist, Rapist. Relentlessly and over and over.

    He is very toxic and abusive. Shame it took this long to get rid of him.

    I don't think his lawyers really know what kind of stuff Tim was writing when at Google. If they did they would know that this whole "fired for being pro diversity" angle will crash and burn almost immediately once Google starts showing what really happened.

    1. Re: He never wrote any pro-diversity posts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What do you mean he is the leaker?

      You have not seen shit about what he used to post. If I were him I would not leak anything.

      True story: I reported this with screenshot evidence around feb/mar last year :

      There was this woman that wrote a long and heartbreaking post on how and the struggle to bring up a mentally challenged child
      or her own, and whom she loved. It was really good and informative on the challenges of a young family protecting and bringing up
      a downs syndrome child.
      I and all other googlers that have a heart, and are not insane, was touched by her experience and her struggle.
      We emotionally started to understand the real live situation and how to help.

      In comes Tim. He is mad. This mother or a challenged child used the "wrong" words to describe her childs disability and he tore her a new asshole
      on how intolerant she was and how bad mother she was. Personal attacks left right and centre and really aiming to hurt this woman that had opened
      up to talk about a very difficult subject. His attacks were relentless. He was so vicious you can not even imagine it towards this woman.
      Not even the worst you have ever seen on twitter comes close.
      He hurls abuse, slurs and personal attacks left right and centre on this woman. Disgusting.

      So fucking disgusting. Such a fucking disgustingly bad person. This was one of the two times I reported him to HR. I never reported him calling fellows rapists or nazi or that they should die or leave google. Those guys can protect themselves. They are grownups.
      But when you viciously attack a mother of a mentally handicapped child, that is crossing the line.

      Hope you read this Tim. You are a disgusting worm.

      There are just so many similar stories about Tim you would not believe it. This one just struck a cord with me for personal reasons.
      No other company would he be left on the payroll for almost a year with HR involvement this long.

  12. Re:There are many ways to get fired. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's at-will employment.

    "At-will" means you can be fired for ALMOST any reason, or for no reason. But even with "at-will" there is are reasons that cannot be used to fire someone. For instance, you cannot fire someone for belonging to a protected class. California has state restrictions in addition to the federal restrictions. The city of Mountain View may add even more.

  13. Re:Woman by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How the hell do you "identify" as disabled. You either are able-bodied or you aren't.

    There can be literally hundreds of objective measures of physical performance that can screen for physical infirmity. Some of them are even codified into laws and regulations, like what criteria you have to meet to get a handicap placard for your car or whether you're capable of operating a motor vehicle at all.

    This phrasing is retarded. And while I'm at it...what the hell is 'queer' exactly?

  14. Re:Remember when we cared about tech? by mdhoover · · Score: 5, Funny

    No it isn't