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Bill Gates: Cryptocurrency Is 'Rare Technology That Has Caused Deaths In a Fairly Direct Way' (cnbc.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNBC: During a recent "Ask Me Anything" session on Reddit, the Microsoft co-founder said that the main feature of cryptocurrencies is the anonymity they provide to buyers, and Gates thinks that can actually be harmful. "The government's ability to find money laundering and tax evasion and terrorist funding is a good thing," he wrote. "Right now, cryptocurrencies are used for buying fentanyl and other drugs, so it is a rare technology that has caused deaths in a fairly direct way." When a Reddit user pointed out that plain cash can also be used for illicit activities, Gates said that crypto stands out because it can be easier to use. "Yes -- anonymous cash is used for these kinds of things, but you have to be physically present to transfer it, which makes things like kidnapping payments more difficult," he wrote. Gates also warned that the wave of speculation surrounding cryptocurrencies is "super risky for those who go long."

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  1. The deadly currency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most deadly currency I can think of is Oil.

    1. Re:The deadly currency by ffkom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, and gold. And diamonds. Some stones are called "blood diamonds" for good reason.

  2. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Windows 10 is pretty convincing proof that anonymity is frowned upon.

  3. Don't we all know this already? by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just because Bill Gates repeats what's been said for years, it's more relevant?

    Trying to finger crypto-currency as "more evil than cash" because it's "easier to use" seems to be cherry-picking scenarios.

    How many times is cash used for illicit transactions because it's so straightforward? You can't do a thing with a crypto-currency unless you're tech savvy enough to set up some kind of wallet to receive the funds, and then you have to deal with a buyer who is equally savvy to pay you with them. And right now, you have long waits for most transactions to complete if you're using a well established e-currency like bitcoin. So that's another obstacle in some situations.

    I mean, technically, he's not wrong. I'm sure people have died because of drugs that were bought and sold using cryptocoins. I just don't think the tech itself is ever anything but neutral. Again, the problem lies in the motivations of the sellers and buyers - not the payment method.

    1. Re:Don't we all know this already? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trying to finger crypto-currency as "more evil than cash" because it's "easier to use" seems to be cherry-picking scenarios.

      It is, and worse, it's a factually incorrect claim.

      How to buy drugs with crypto:
      1) decide what crypto you want to spend, find a wallet program, and set it up (sometimes easy, sometimes ridiculously hard)
      2) acquire said crypto somehow -buy it, mine it, steal it, etc.
      3) figure out how to configure Tor, then how to find dark web sites, then find the dark web site run by a drug dealer you want to buy from
      4a) if you're lucky, drug dealer already accepts the crypto you have
      4b) if not, find an exchange, create another traceable account, wait for transactions to complete, etc
      5) trade crypto for drugs (and I guess give out a physical address for shipping?)
      6) pray that your drugs don't get stopped, the government isn't monitoring the blockchain, that you don't get busted on your way to pick them up, or that they even shipped in the first place (you didn't really trust a drug dealer, did you?)

      How to buy drugs with cash:
      1) get cash (many untraceable methods here, YMMV)
      2) find drug dealer (try the 'poor' side of town)
      3) buy drugs

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    2. Re:Don't we all know this already? by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it's because Bill Gates is ignorant of the obvious. If he can claim "cryptocurrencies are used for buying fentanyl and other drugs, so it is a rare technology that has caused deaths in a fairly direct way," then it is also true that Windows is used to make those purchases and is also causing deaths in a fairly direct way.

      Fair is fair, take the blame on yourself, BillG.

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  4. Re:Windows has killed more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't forget his charitable foundation that has also caused many deaths by pushing American drug company agendas in the developing world.

  5. It's not that it's easier to use by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it's that it's harder to trace. In theory if you can keep your name from being associated with your wallet it's impossible to trace. But it doesn't need to be impossible. A locked car is harder to steal, not impossible to steal. Similarly you just need to make it hard enough to trace money laundering that the relevant authorities time/money runs out.

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  6. Stuid lie by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you buy a gun and kill someone, no one says "OH MY GOD, US DOLLARS KILLED HIM."

    That is not "Direct" harm. That is not even secondary harm. That is very, very, very indirect harm. Tertiary at best.

    The shooter and the gun 'directly' caused the harm. The secondary cause might be the drug sales or whatever made you mad enough to kill him.

    The stuff you used to buy the weapon? That's at best tertiary. Not a direct cause.

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  7. rare? by CSMoran · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it is a rare technology that has caused deaths in a fairly direct way.

    Bill, this is gunpowder. Gunpowder, Bill.

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  8. Arrogant comment by cloud.pt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't expect anything else: the guy who most benefits from the current finantial system bashing a trending, actually revolutionary. It is quite shameful to see him resort to such a low blow. It's like saying: "hey, 20 people died making this humongous undersea tunnel", without acknowledging the bridge prevents 200 deaths a year out of whatever the fuck they did to cross the straight before.

    Seriously, this guy has been the top richest dude, in the world, for 18 out of the last 23 years. He has - wait scratch that -
      him and his next 10 generations have absolutely no say in the matter of "what is fairer than what we have now?". Fairness is seriously not something at play here.

    I assume he and everybody else know Microsoft has surely caused deaths in a fairly direct way as much as any cryptocurrency, and just like crypto, none of them were part of the plan. Obviously not as direct as, say Smith and Wesson, Heckler and Koch, Lockheed Martin or any so-called "defense"-related company, but even those have their own sorry excuses for liability.

    But screw "fairly" - you know what causes human death in a very fucking objectively direct way? Other humans. And maybe old age and disease and natural disaster. Now go get an actually decent argument to bash crypto, you know, like common people have to do when they want to make a point instead of using that odd "I am so popular I can say anything" falacy.

  9. Re:Windows has killed more by jwhyche · · Score: 4, Insightful

    . I can cite military Navy vessels being sank due to improperly applied Windows 2000 patches.

    Bull Fucking Shit!. Name one.

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