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Net Neutrality Repeal Will Get a Senate Vote In the Spring, Democrats Say (arstechnica.com)

Congressional Democrats today introduced legislation that would prevent the repeal of net neutrality rules, but they still need more support from Republicans in order to pass the measure. According to Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), they will force a vote on the Senate version of the resolution sometime this spring. Ars Technica reports: Democrats have been promising to introduce a Congressional Review Act (CRA) resolution ever since the Federal Communications Commission voted to repeal its net neutrality rules in December. But lawmakers had to wait for the FCC's repeal order to be published in the Federal Register, which only happened last week. The CRA resolution would nullify the FCC's repeal order, allowing net neutrality rules that were passed in 2015 to remain in place. The resolution has public support from 50 out of 100 senators (all Democrats, all Independents, and one Republican), putting it one vote shy of passage in the Senate.

"The grassroots movement to reinstate net neutrality is growing by the day, and we will get that one more vote needed to pass my CRA resolution," Markey said. "I urge my Republican colleagues to join the overwhelming majority of Americans who support a free and open Internet. The Internet is for all -- the students, teachers, innovators, hard-working families, small businesses, and activists, not just Verizon, Charter, AT&T, and Comcast and corporate interests."

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  1. Problem with executive fiat by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... is that anything done through it can be undone through it.

    I have a phone and a pen? Remember?

    Well, that has limitations and the first of those is that the next guy that comes along with a phone and a pen can reverse it.

    No substitute for going through the proper legislative process.

    Here people will say "its slow"... its faster than the alternatives because the alternatives won't work. The way that takes a long time but works when compared against the way that is fast and fails... Do it the right way.

    Get the votes and pass your law.

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    1. Re:Problem with executive fiat by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Congress brought this silliness on themselves by devolving much major de facto lawmaking power onto regulatory agencies, which constitutionally means the President as part of his power to "execute" the laws.

      Golly! Some are upset by it!

      Golly! "Regulatory agencies remove the politics from it is a feature, not a flaw!"
      Until it isn't and you need outrage.

       

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  2. Evidence that parties matter by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This should be more evidence that there are real and substantial differences between the Democratic and Republican parties. When people say that the two major parties are just the same, this sort of thing shows that isn't the case. There are real differences between the major political parties. This isn't the only example: on both having minimal amounts of gun control, and on climate change, there are real and substantial differences between the parties as they currently stand. And who one votes for and supports can make a real difference.

    1. Re:Evidence that parties matter by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      True, this is evidence that parties matter. But it's also evidence that opposition parties matter.

      Even though the effort by the Democrats to call a vote is Quixotic, it puts both parties on record as to where they stand.

      Both parties do this, and generally it's a good thing -- unless it's overdone. For example, Republicans voted to repeal Obamacare over 60 times, knowing full well it would never happen. That was abusive of the process.

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    2. Re:Evidence that parties matter by JoshuaZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Last year I heard Trump was Hitler and going to start up concentration camps, now Democrats want us to disarm.

      Let's be clear: if there's any situation where who has guns matters, the Democrats will have already lost since they have far fewer weapons and far less understanding of them (witness for example the repeated statements about "assault weapons" like it is a real category of weapon).

      As for climate change? They may "believe" two different things but they both live the same lifestyles. Show me how much you "believe" in climate change by how you live, not how you vote. I don't give a fuck what some dickhead says about CO2 emissions if they're driving a SUV, living in a large house and eating meat.

      I agree that lifestyle changes are important. I don't own a car and use public transit for that reason, and while my wife and I aren't 100% vegetarians, our house is vegetarian- pretty much the only times we ever meat is on occasion when visiting a friend or relative. But even given that, lifestyle changes aren't the only thing that matters the Democrats generally favor policy differences that will matter. For example, both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton favored large-scale programs to increase solar and wind power as well as more use of electric cars, whereas we now have a President who has the stated goal of "bringing back coal" even in a country where there are already far more people employed in renewable energies than with coal http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-solar-power-employs-more-people-more-oil-coal-gas-combined-donald-trump-green-energy-fossil-fuels-a7541971.html, and where coal is being largely beaten down not just by renewable energy sources but also largely because natural gas is so cheap. And coal isn't the only example of this: Trump has actively encouraged further oil drilling off the coast https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-11/trump-is-said-to-open-door-for-oil-drilling-off-u-s-east-coast (although not off of Florida because he and the governor there get along well apparently https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-administration-says-no-drilling-off-florida-coast/2018/01/09/91981160-f5a8-11e7-a9e3-ab18ce41436a_story.html?utm_term=.7322b1e2b3b5 when we shouldn't be producing more oil in general.

      Yes, the Democrats aren't perfect. Yes, some of them are pretty hypocritical. That doesn't stop them from being a far, far better option on climate issues.

    3. Re: Evidence that parties matter by rHBa · · Score: 2, Funny

      sewing hate

      It's funny how people try to stitch negativity into everything they say

    4. Re: Evidence that parties matter by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      sewing hate

      It's funny how people try to stitch negativity into everything they say

      Only on some threads here.

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    5. Re:Evidence that parties matter by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      That's the thing with leftists. We have educayshun and know words and shit. Also we know when to stop hitting the exclamation mark key!

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    6. Re:Evidence that parties matter by shilly · · Score: 2

      you use "special" words for no reason to try to distinguish yourself.

      You know what's special about the new breed of rightists? Your extraordinary ability to contradict yourself in the same sentence. And you're always too fucking dumb to realise you've done it.

      Hint: you either need to argue that "leftists...use "special" words for no reason" *or* you need to argue "leftists...use "special" words ... to try to distinguish yourself [sic, obviously it should be 'yourselves', but you have bigger challenges than your inability to match plural with plural]". But arguing both at the same time just makes you look fabulously stupid. Because, and here's the tricky bit "to try to distinguish yourself" *is a reason*.

      Here, I'll help you squirm out of this. What you probably meant to say was "leftists use "special words" for no good reason. You just use those words to try to distinguish yourselves and skip the substance". To which the appropriate reply is: "Is that what you think? Oh, that's too adorable. Honey, if that makes you feel better about having to look up Quixotic on Conservapedia because you'd never heard the term before, that's OK. We know your ego is both gigantic and terribly fragile. So you do what you need to. So long as it doesn't involve a fucking AR15."

  3. Sure! by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Happy to help - unlike what you've been told, large mega-corporations generally support Democrats these days (see donations to Hillary, Obama, etc.). So the network neutrality rules were written pretty much by some of the larger ISP's to block pesky competitors from getting too far.

    So the Republicans and Democrats both know that the regulations really do not mean much on their own, but represent a symbolic stand.

    What that means in practice is that Republicans then will generally be OK with repeal, because it doesn't affect major Republican donors, and it kind of goes along with the popular message of reducing regulation.

    Meanwhile the Democrats detest Trump, and as noted are backed by large corporations which is why they are fighting tooth and nail to keep every regulation possible, including especially the network neutrality legislation...

    Under no circumstance should you take this as any party trying to do anything that would benefit you, it's all just a large game where we are not even the pawns, we are crumbs in the box the game came in to be emptied into the bin if we do anything to make our betters notice us.

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  4. Re:Never passing the House by bobbied · · Score: 2

    The CRA doesn't need the approval of the House of Representatives.

    Ummm... Yes, it does.

    A CRA is basically a joint resolution of both houses of congress so it does have to pass both the House and Senate within 60 days of the regulation change it seeks to reverse. It must also be signed by the president or a veto overridden by a 2/3rds vote.

    See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    However, It makes me wonder if the CRA law would actually apply here. The CRA law was obviously not written with the intent to stop a regulation from being withdrawn although I don't see that use being specifically excepted by the text. I'm guessing that should this CRA actually be enacted (a snowballs chance I know) it would be challenged in court to test this.

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  5. Re:Please, leave this issue alone by bobbied · · Score: 2

    NN will not solve the real issue. The REAL issue is that the GOP continues to grant Monopolies to companies like Comcast and continue to support them.

    Citation please? When and where did "{Republicans} grant Monopolies to {snip} Comcast"?

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  6. Net Neutrality and the neutral net by JBMcB · · Score: 3

    Cliffs notes version:

    The FCC originally tried to regulate network neutrality by declaring high speed internet to be under the same regulatory regime as cable television. This didn't work out for a variety of reasons. So the FCC switched to classify high speed internet as a phone service. This suited large ISPs well, but small ISPs find it difficult to comply with the more arcane regulations that come with, and there are some other less visible side effects as well.

    So there are actually have three camps:

    1. Those who don't want the government to regulate high speed internet at all
    2. Those who want the government to enforce network neutrality, but don't think that classifying it as a phone service is the right way to do it
    3. Those who want to regulate network neutrality as a phone service.

    I find it interesting, and somewhat telling, that the Democrats are passing a law to re-instate the Title II network neutrality regulation, instead of a crafting a bill that would allow the FCC to regulate *only* high speed internet as a distinct service from telephone.

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  7. Not the real problem by burtosis · · Score: 2

    Yes net neutrality is very important but the repeal, along with the erosion of rights and the rising inequality are symptoms of a much larger problem - unlimited and often secret money in politics. Our representives don't represent anyone but thier large donors, that is why thinks like universal background checks have 97% approval rating (republican and democrat and even gun owners agree) but we get nowhere. It's why companies are allowed monopolies, like ISPs, and in the case where there are two in a city they collude to create monopolies anyway and aren't held accountable. It's why the USA pays nearly double the healthcare costs of any other nation and yet our lifespan is 31st in the world, 5 spots lower than Slovenia. It's why corporations are people with more rights than actual humans. It's why people say democrats and republicans are the same (because in this respect they now are).

    We are well and truly fucked if we don't get the money out. If you take corporate dough, you gotta go.