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What Airbnb Did To New York City (citylab.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: There are two kinds of horror stories about Airbnb. When the home-sharing platform first appeared, the initial cautionary tales tended to emphasize extreme guest (and occasionally host) misbehavior. But as the now decade-old service matured and the number of rental properties proliferated dramatically, a second genre emerged, one that focused on what the service was doing to the larger community: Airbnb was raising rents and taking housing off the rental market. It was supercharging gentrification while discriminating against guests and hosts of color. And as commercial operators took over, it was transforming from a way to help homeowners occasionally rent out an extra room into a purveyor of creepy, makeshift hotels.

Several studies have looked into these claims; some focused on just one issue at a time, or measured Airbnb-linked trends across wide swaths of the country. But a recent report by David Wachsmuth, a professor of Urban Planning at McGill University, zeroes in on New York City in an effort to answer the question of exactly what home sharing is doing to the city. [...] Their conclusion: Most of those rumors are true. Wachsmuth found reason to believe that Airbnb has indeed raised rents, removed housing from the rental market, and fueled gentrification -- at least in New York City. "

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  1. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People love to invent rules for other people. The more complicated the better. If it's not working, make it more complicated, until it starts working.

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  2. Gee, live in a city. . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    . . . that restricts the supply of new housing, and has strong rent-control in place, and people are SURPRISED that property owners will find a way to to generate revenue, and then optimize that revenue ??

  3. Regulations were made for a reason by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and I do wish we could get folks to understand that. Cities didn't limit hotels to "Preserve the Character of the neighborhood" or some other hippy crap. They did it to stop this kind of rent seeking garbage. People have to live where the jobs and rich folk know that. So they can pay damn near anything because they know they can rent it back to somebody and make a profit. Sure there are limits, but they're frighteningly high.

    This crap should just be shut down. Just like this crap was shut down when I was a kid and we called it sub-letting.

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  4. Re:It doesn't sound right... by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's one of those inane things that's just used to complain. If well off white people are moving in to a neighborhood it's gentrification. If they're moving out it's white flight. I'm sure if they stayed in place long enough, some term would be created to castigate them for that as well.

  5. I remember when by John+Jorsett · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... it was "white flight" when middle-class people abandoned crime-infested, poor, dirty urban areas, and it was deemed bad. Now that people are moving back into these areas and the crime and dirt and poverty are leaving, it's "gentrification" and it's deemed bad.

    1. Re:I remember when by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... it was "white flight" when middle-class people abandoned crime-infested, poor, dirty urban areas, and it was deemed bad.

      Leaving by choice. Still bad because it deprived those neighborhoods of critically needed taxes and other benefits.

      the crime and dirt and poverty are leaving, it's "gentrification" and it's deemed bad.

      Being forced out. Not by choice. See the difference? Gentrification also usually means those pushed out have to move even further away from their jobs, sometimes making those jobs no longer tenable but mainly just increasing transportation cost (time and money) to those jobs. Costs the poor already have a hard time bearing as is.

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    2. Re:I remember when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's racist when whites want to live in clean, safe neighborhoods.

    3. Re:I remember when by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The fact that the whole thing is described by what white people are doing only goes to *highlight* that nobody gives a fuck unless it's affecting white people.

      The fact that the terms are only used when white people do it only goes to highlight that it is being blamed on white people. It's not affecting just white people, it affects everyone, and everyone does it.

  6. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by jonsmirl · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why is this a bad thing? It is called capitalism. Should we build a moat around NYC and keep out all of the people willing to pay more for housing in order to protect cheap rents for people already inside the moat?

    I really do get annoyed at people that try and use the government and legal system to force property owners into giving them below market rents. Haven't we learned that is a good way to turn decent neighborhoods into slums? In some cases rent control laws have reach such idiotic proportions that the landlord is actually paying the tenant to live in the unit since the rent doesn't cover the property taxes.

    Let supply and demand function without interference in order to establish a market level price.

  7. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by mysidia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People love to invent rules for other people. The more complicated the better.

    Fine. Ban all short-term leasing or sub-leasing of Apartments, Homes, or portions of an Apartment or Home on all Real-Estate, except for Commercial Units licensed as hotels.
    Do you feel that is superior?

  8. So we need different hotel regulation? by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let me see if I understand this:

    ABnB works because ad-hoc rooms are cheaper than standard hotel rooms.

    So people rush into the ABnB market, removing conventional apartments from the pool of long-term housing, driving up rents as the pool of apartments shrinks.

    So if hotels are losing customers, why aren't they cutting hotel rates to be more competitive with ABnB? Hell, why aren't they slashing staff completely and converting some properties to ABnB only -- or becoming apartments?

    Do we need to reduce regulation on hotels so they can better compete with ABnB?

    Or is it some other thing, like hotels had successfully restricted competition and there was a practical shortage of hotels which drove prices too high?

  9. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by jonsmirl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Great, then the owners of those restaurants will have to pay their workers more!

    No area is going to lose all of their restaurants, etc. There is always demand for services like that. Prices will adjust and employee pay will increase. Restaurant workers in NYC already get paid triple what a restaurant worker in Alabama gets.

  10. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I am intrigued at how people think to solve a problem of low quality rentals or too high rents you should legislate on completely orthogonal things like the length of the rental. If you want rents to be lower, legislate exactly that. It's called rent control. If you want rental properties to be nicer, legislate that.

    However I don't think those are good ideas at all. Resist the urge to make rules.

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  11. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you want rents to be lower, allow people to build more housing. Rent control doesn't fix anything.

  12. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Milton Friedman on price controls

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Nobel prize winner Milton Friedman said "We economists don't know much, but we do know how to create a shortage. If you want to create a shortage of tomatoes, for example, just pass a law that retailers can't sell tomatoes for more than two cents per pound. Instantly you'll have a tomato shortage. It's the same with oil or gas."

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  13. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People love to invent rules for [society]

    That's what you do when you see a problem. You curb it. Hell, people "invented rules" about privatizing the commons, and we got an agricultural revolution. People also "invented rules" about having to serve black people the same as white people in a restaurant. Rules can be forces for good.

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  14. Re:Meanwhil AirBnB pretends Social Justice Champio by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    you have a problem with "don't be a dick" you must be a Republican.

  15. Re: Fix it with some careful regulation by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    True. And that is because "affordable housing" isn't affordable to the poor.

  16. Re:Fix it with some careful regulation by LunaticTippy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That is a beautiful way to keep prices low! I kind of like how that reduces the incentive for people to buy speculatively. It's pretty dysfunctional how remote investors have distorted prices in the sf bay area, vancouver, etc.

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