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Florida Lawmakers Approve Year-Round Daylight Saving Time (tampabay.com)

JustAnotherOldGuy writes: It seems like we're seeing a sudden outbreak of common sense from one of the most unlikely places. Florida might become the third state -- after Hawaii and Arizona -- to be done with the hassle of changing their clocks twice a year. Yesterday, the Senate overwhelmingly passed the Sunshine Protection Act in under one minute, with only two dissenters. The House had already passed it 103-11 last month. Now it has to be signed by Gov. Rick Scott. If Scott passes it, however, it still has to go through Congress before Florida has Daylight Savings Time all year long.

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  1. Permanent daylight saving time... by Chuq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't they mean "Atlantic Standard Time" ?

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    1. Re:Permanent daylight saving time... by Athanasius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This would be the pure 'sensible' solution, yes. You change from needing to know what the offset is in order to cite the correct time to instead needing to know what the offset is in business hours instead, so no absolute difference in necessary mental gymnastics there. You gain being able to say "at 15:30" and everyone knowing what you mean.

      Now try to get 7 billion (and counting) human beings to agree on doing that, and do so consistently. In the UK we've been officially decimal and metric for decades, yet even people younger than me (coming up on 46) will still cite weights in "stones and pounds" and small lengths in inches.

  2. PLEASE by markdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    PLEASE bring this to my State (and all States). I am so over changing time twice a year for absolutely no real reason my whole life. And picking to stay on Daylight Saving Time year-round ("permanent daylight saving time" is the best possible choice. I am very jealous. And yet, this could be the start of something great...

    -Changing time-
    Saves energy: FALSE
    Helps farmers: FALSE
    Gives extra sleep: FALSE
    Reduces accidents: FALSE
    Causes lots of lost productivity: TRUE
    Causes a nightmare for people with sleep disorders: TRUE
    Causes minor health problems even for normal people: TRUE
    Generates a lot of hassle and confusion: TRUE
    Hurts the economy: TRUE

    1. Re:PLEASE by sgage · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm for staying with Standard Time year round. The sun should be at its highest at noon, not 1:00. 12:00 noon should be sun on the meridian, more or less - it depends on how far east or west you are from the center of your timezone.

    2. Re:PLEASE by markdavis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >"I'm for staying with Standard Time year round. The sun should be at its highest at noon, not 1:00. 12:00 noon should be sun on the meridian, more or less - it depends on how far east or west you are from the center of your timezone."

      Like you said, if you are on the edge of a timezone, it wouldn't be noon at high sun, anyway. We already engage in DST for most of the year anyway, and nothing falls apart that noon isn't at the highest point in the sky for the sun. I would go for anything that doesn't change time, ever. But I still would prefer "summer time" year-round.

    3. Re:PLEASE by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The sun should be at its highest at noon

      Why? Time is nothing more than a system used to synchronise activities between groups of people. There's no reason why noon needs to be set to the highest point of the sun.

  3. Re:This is stupid... by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Other than sunrise, sunset, and high noon, all of our measured time is "fake". Since the clocks don't care, might as well set them conveniently.

  4. Re:Idiots. by sgage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree - time of sunrise and sunset should be symmetrical around noon.

  5. Re:This is stupid... by Nostalgia4Infinity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why?

  6. Re:Idiots. by glenebob · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sounds good on paper, but it sucks up north. Getting dark at 4:30 PM is just shit.

  7. Re:This is stupid... by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It remains a measure of the day's progress even if the sun reaches it's height at 1. Even with the current timezones, there are very few places where solar noon coincides with exactly 12:00:00 anyway.

  8. Re:Gonna suck. by erice · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Right, because bouncing the clocks around twice a year is not confusing at all.

    Changing the clocks is confusing twice a year. Having different time than neighboring states is confusing for at least five months per year.

  9. Re:The closer you are to the equator by clovis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The less your opinion about Daylight Savings matters.

    That's true, and also the closer you are to the "land of the midnight sun" the less you care about DST.

    Furthermore, people on the eastern side of a time zone have a different feeling about DST than those on the western side, because on the western side the sun rises and sets an hour later than for those on the eastern side so they have a built-in DST advantage, or punishment, depending on how long before sunrise you have to get up to get the kids to school.

  10. Re:Down with Winter Darkness time! by Required+Snark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We just need to change the axial tilt of the earth. Why has this simple solution not been adopted already?

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  11. Re:Idiots. by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Get up and go to work earlier so you can leave sooner

    Oh look, a person of privilege. Guess what, the vast majority of people's lives don't work like that.

  12. Re:Gonna suck. by hazardPPP · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No.

    In the modern Western world, we work on a 9-5 schedule (or thereabouts). DST was invented to shift more daylight hours in the summer to the afternoon and evening, so that people could enjoy this daylight after work. Otherwise, a lot of the daylight hours would be very early in the morning, when most people are asleep or getting ready for/going to work.

    So going to DST year-round actually makes sense, because it permanently shifts daylight into the afternoon, i.e. into after-work hours. I don't care how far that puts nominal noon away from real/solar noon, because time-keeping is anyway just a convention made up to make people's lives easier. So we can bend this convention a bit to suit our present purposes. Moving to DST permanently is easier than getting everyone to switch to working 7-3 or whatever.

  13. Re:Idiots. by dcw3 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...then the other half of the state is pissed that it's still dark in the morning

    Said nobody, ever. Seriously, have you ever heard that complaint?

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