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China's Alibaba is Investing Huge Sums in AI Research and Resources -- and It Is Building Tools To Challenge Google and Amazon (technologyreview.com)

Alibaba is already using AI and machine learning to optimize its supply chain, personalize recommendations, and build products like Tmall Genie, a home device similar to the Amazon Echo. China's two other tech supergiants, Tencent and Baidu, are likewise pouring money into AI research. The government plans to build an AI industry worth around $150 billion by 2030 and has called on the country's researchers to dominate the field by then. But Alibaba's ambition is to be the leader in providing cloud-based AI. From a report: Like cloud storage (think Dropbox) or cloud computing (Amazon Web Services), cloud AI will make powerful resources cheaply and readily available to anyone with a computer and an internet connection, enabling new kinds of businesses to grow. The real race in AI between China and the US, then, will be one between the two countries' big cloud companies, which will vie to be the provider of choice for companies and cities that want to make use of AI. And if Alibaba is anything to go by, China's tech giants are ready to compete with Google, Amazon, IBM, and Microsoft to serve up AI on tap. Which company dominates this industry will have a huge say in how AI evolves and how it is used.

[...] There have been other glimpses of Alibaba's progress in AI lately. Last month a research team at the company released an AI program capable of reading a piece of text, and answering simple questions about that text, more accurately than anything ever built before. The text was in English, not Chinese, because the program was trained on the Stanford Question Answering Dataset (SQuAD), a benchmark used to test computerized question-and-answer systems. [...] One advantage China's tech companies have over their Western counterparts is the government's commitment to AI. Smart cities that use the kind of technology found in Shanghai's metro kiosks are likely to be in the country's future. One of Alibaba's cloud AI tools is a suite called City Brain, designed for tasks like managing traffic data and analyzing footage from city video cameras.

30 comments

  1. AI is the new battleground! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The future looks ultra cool and ultra scary at the same time!

    1. Re: AI is the new battleground! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would Chinese worry about a stupid Amazon and stupid Google full of sand n1ggers. This articles is a retarded clickbait

    2. Re: AI is the new battleground! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You so woke bro! Cant wait til you get drafted to die in WW3. You have been learning Manadarin right smart guy?

  2. Challenge them in what? Ads? Image recognition? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "AI" my ass.

    1. Re:Challenge them in what? Ads? Image recognition? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bored one afternoon at work we created an ass/elbow discriminator.

  3. Thats me! by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    I have been heavily involved in cloud based AI recently. It truly is an exciting field. If you have any questions about it, let me know!

    1. Re:Thats me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you have any questions about it, let me know!

      I have questions about it. Just letting you know.

    2. Re:Thats me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cloud to butt plugin rules.

    3. Re:Thats me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cloud is king and it rains!

    4. Re:Thats me! by gnick · · Score: 1

      ...exciting field...any questions...

      What AI accomplishment has excited you the most? There always seem to be neat new advances in the area. I don't think we'll ever have "real AI" to satisfy the people who demand that the machine achieve sentience, but that shouldn't distract from impressive machine learning advances.

      --
      He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
    5. Re:Thats me! by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I think the biggest accomplishment is how AI was able to beat the greatest Go masters in the world. That is just one example of how AI is rapidly evolving and taking over entire industries.

    6. Re:Thats me! by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      The one where it becomes self-aware and kills all humans for the greater good.

    7. Re:Thats me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahahahahaha. No.
      AI research has not changed in 40 years. Only the architecture got faster. Dream on.

  4. I prefer "expert system" to AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    but I don't want you on my lawn either.

    1. Re:I prefer "expert system" to AI by Mr307 · · Score: 2

      AI is the buzzword for late 2017 and 2018 now.

      Previously Cloud was the buzzword, maybe in some areas crypto or blockchain is the thing but AI has more traction with the general populace I think.

      Now we just need a beowulf cluster of blockchain based AI clouds and we win the game right?

    2. Re:I prefer "expert system" to AI by hraponssi · · Score: 1

      I think you forgot Internet of Things. You collect data with IoT, store it in the cloud, verify it with a blockchain, analyze it with AI. And of course build a cryptocoin for people to pay each other for their data and analytics. Connect that IoT with 5G and you're covered all the way to 2019 with them buzzwords. Much buzz. Very AI.

  5. Will it be like Amazon's AI... by greenwow · · Score: 1

    that decided after I bought a chainsaw that I'm now starting a chainsaw collection?

    1. Re:Will it be like Amazon's AI... by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Version 2.0 of the cloud based AI will automatically send you a chainsaw every month.

    2. Re:Will it be like Amazon's AI... by OffTheLip · · Score: 1

      In my case I am now being offered a myriad of beauty products based on a one-time purchase for another. Don't get me wrong, I can use the help but I am not a likely customer. Some AI...

  6. Don't tell them but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alibaba is mexican. Stupid chineses.

  7. Re:China investing or hacking and stealing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Look back at fighter design from the 60s. Latest modern fighters will share a lot of factors simply because that is the state of the art at the time.
    China has been cheating for some time but that is a dangerous pillow to sleep on because so was Japan in car manufacturing. Now, nobody I know would willingly buy an American car when they could buy Japanese.

  8. Jack Ma AI Blah Blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People keep talking this guy and his business up but what has he really done? Been allowed to make copies of Amazon in China a good 10 years after the others had already established themselves across the globe? Introduced the idea of Valentines Day in China (with a different name, because that's all originality is in their culture). All communist party controlled feats. This is a culture where upon hearing the pyramids were 4,000 years, the then Premier simply pretended Chinese culture was 5,000 years old. They don't actually do anything because cultures like do not reward debate, argument and nutting out solutions. No new rockets, no electric vehicles, no special search algorithms, and now PR spouting the "AI" trendy words of 4 years ago. China is no different to Japan. They were going to own us all 30 years ago, with 20 hour a day work ethics and focussed team work we lacked. Yet then reality caught up to their heavily tariff protected economy (exactly like China today) and you've heard nothing from them ever since.

    1. Re:Jack Ma AI Blah Blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks to the massive investments that we're making the USA, we'll be ready for China's domination of the AI field, because we will have invented ... coal.

  9. Issue of Trust by foxalopex · · Score: 1

    While there's a possibility that they could develop a more advanced AI system, any AI is going to need a large amount of data to work properly with. We already have privacy breaches of data in North America, can you imagine privacy breaches in a Chinese company? It's not like you can sue Alibaba if something goes wrong.

    I've historically ordered cheap stuff like HDMI cables from Chinese companies online to find that they end up in an unmarked / undeclared and untracked envelope. While the price is right (so cheap that I can't believe they can pay for shipping) it doesn't exactly inspire trust. Amazon seems to have a good return service, reliable tracking for the most part and a decent rating system. I'd also sooner trust all my data with Google than some company in China.

  10. Business in China by quanminoan · · Score: 2

    Alibaba is a great company and I do admire Jack Ma, but who in their right mind would invest in China after Xi Jinping went full dictator? Somehow I don't worry about Google and Facebook. Between the dictatorship, massive wealth disparity, and human rights violations I expect the whole system to collapse. Investing in any AI companies in China, or any promising company in China for that matter, I believe would be akin to investing in Russia in 1916.

    1. Re:Business in China by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Alibaba is a great company and I do admire Jack Ma, but who in their right mind would invest in China after Xi Jinping went full dictator?

      You ... thought it wasn't a dictatorship before?

    2. Re:Business in China by quanminoan · · Score: 1

      Well, a capitalist autocracy before. They were going in the right direction until Xi Jinping took power. I guess my point is you could have some confidence in your investments there until recent years; now I wouldn't dare do anything with the country.

  11. Sure It Is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing to see here Comrade, just legitimate business expenses!

    lolz. dumb chinks. live in a prison.

  12. Re: China investing or hacking and stealing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean like the Honda Accord, made in Ohio and Ontario?