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YouTube Will Add Information From Wikipedia To Videos About Conspiracies (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: YouTube will add information from Wikipedia to videos about popular conspiracy theories to provide alternative viewpoints on controversial subjects, its CEO said today. YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki said that these text boxes, which the company is calling "information cues," would begin appearing on conspiracy-related videos within the next couple of weeks. Wojcicki, who spoke Tuesday evening at a panel at the South by Southwest Interactive festival in Austin, showed examples of information cues for videos about the moon landing and chemtrails. "When there are videos that are focused around something that's a conspiracy -- and we're using a list of well-known internet conspiracies from Wikipedia -- then we will show a companion unit of information from Wikipedia showing that here is information about the event," Wojcicki said. The information cues that Wojcicki demonstrated appeared directly below the video as a short block of text, with a link to Wikipedia for more information. Wikipedia -- a crowdsourced encyclopedia written by volunteers -- is an imperfect source of information, one which most college students are still forbidden from citing in their papers. But it generally provides a more neutral, empirical approach to understanding conspiracies than the more sensationalist videos that appear on YouTube.

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  1. Doesn't matter. Won't convince anyone. by quonset · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is something called the Backfire Effect. In short, the more factual information you give to someone pointing how/where they're wrong, the more strident in their viewpoint they become.

    1. Re:Doesn't matter. Won't convince anyone. by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, I think something else entirely will happen.

      Got popcorn?

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    2. Re:Doesn't matter. Won't convince anyone. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In general, it's not the fact that the information is factual that makes then deny it, it's that they won't see the source as credible. Wikipedia is not a "primary source", which indeed will cause people to do this.

      Like the only real way of putting conspiracy theories to bed is to change the algorithms to pick up words IN THE VIDEO, which the auto-transcribe function can clearly do, and find the correlation between the video and subscribers/commenters.

      eg, If infowars posts a video called "drinking tap water turns men in to little girls", anyone should see through this bullshit. But infowars then turns around and sells a product that is simply tap water in non-BPA free plastic bottles, and calls it "super water, makes your penis bigger", would be factually incorrect, because the presence of BPA is mimics female hormones. Not because the claim is unfounded, but harmful.

      If someone is pushing a product, then that video needs to be labeled "Product placement, this video is trying to sell you something." Then link to the manufacturer's MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) and lab tests.

      Like there are a LOT of products out there that will harm or kill you if are dismissive of the safety of the product.

      If products are benign or "don't do what they say they do" then those products should be indicated as such, in the video AND in the text of the video.

      But Conspiracy theories themselves, linking to wikipedia is basically pointless, since anyone can edit it, and by providing direct links to such theories being debunked, encourages far more vandalism of the wikipedia. No, I think the best way to solve this would be for Google to get an exclusive licence from snopes and politifact to publish their work to provide several separate "non-opinion" investigative sources (eg researched articles, not opinion editorials from papers.)

      And yes, nearly every conspiracy theory debunking thing will slant liberal, not because they're liberal, but because they will always slant towards science. So shit like "global warming/climate change is a hoax" will always be debunked as bullshit. Conspiracy theorists are conmen playing a long-game of selling what people want to hear, and then selling them products to "protect them" from the conspiracy. Once the long-con gig is up, they go to jail, or pay fines, but the damage is irreversible.

    3. Re:Doesn't matter. Won't convince anyone. by KeensMustard · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This assumes that the people who watch these videos are predominantly already in agreement with them.

      The other day I fell into the trap of watching a few flat earther videos on youtube. I asked myself "who would watch this tripe?". After thinking about it the truth came to me : I was watching. Flat Earther videos aren't for Flat Earthers, but to stir the waters of people like me who find the notion teeth grindingly irritating. We watch the videos to arm ourselves for a debunking. And they get ad revenue. They win. Probably 80% of people watching those videos do so because their scepticism drives them to, or because they just like seeing a trainwreck of logic.

      In fact at some point I saw an ad at the start of a flat earther conspiracy theory that was unequivocally aimed at anti-flat earthers.

    4. Re: Doesn't matter. Won't convince anyone. by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure, debunking is great...when the conspiracy theory is false. But for a long time people would call you crazy if you thought the CIA was conducting mind control programs, the NSA was faking evidence to get us involved in wars, or the spooks were recording your phone calls and email.

      I have a sneaking suspicion that YouTube has no interest in sorting fact from fiction in "conspiracy theories." I'm pretty sure they just want a method of attacking political views they disagree with. In the meantime, CNN will continue their hard-hitting reports confirming that sources familiar with the thinking of former acquaintances of Donald Trump speculate that Trump's use of Russian salad dressing confirms he's a double secret Putin agent and that Hillary really won the election #RESIST.

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  2. Re: So a left biased source will be used to hide.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The media has always been biased, but biased news isn't the same as fake news. The American media, through the printed word, wasn't exactly favorable toward their rules in Great Britain, and the British didn't exactly like the satirical coverage they received. They sought to restrict the freedom of American newspapers to publish stories that were unfavorable to them. That's why the first amendment guarantees the freedom of the press. No doubt the American media was biased against the British government, but that's not the same as fake news. Even a completely satirical publication like The Onion isn't fake news because it clearly discloses that it's satire. Journalistic errors also aren't fake news, provided that retractions are issued when the errors are brought to the attention of those responsible. Fake news is when fiction is presented as real news for the purpose of deceiving people. The term "fake news" has become incredibly overused and abused, just as your post is doing.

  3. Re: Donald trump is a RUSSIAN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Speaking of countering extreme or harmful posts, I'd love to see Slashdot implement better measures to reduce the garbage that gets posted here. They've had millions of comments that have been moderated up or down, so it should be possible to analyze that database and find predictors of comments (like the parent) that have a very high probability of ending up at -1. These comments could then be automatically rejected or flagged for editor review before being displayed. It wouldn't get rid of all trolling, and that really shouldn't be the goal. But it could curtail the most egregious forms of spam including some of the racist and conspiracy comments like the Qanon nonsense that gets posted sometimes. YouTube has a much bigger challenge in analyzing the content of videos, but the relatively simplistic natural language processing required to filter the most harmful of comments should be relatively simple to implement.

  4. Wikipedia is reknown for it's own politics, biases by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1, Insightful

    this affects a lot of "science" subjects. e.g. climate and medicine

    You could even call WP a regular pharma ho' or sock puppet.

  5. Re:Doesn't Go Far Enough by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know what...no. Every single thing you hold dear is a contentious issue if the audience is wide enough.

    Freedom of religion is a contentious issue. In America we have it. In Iran they don't.

    Free and fair elections are a contentious issue. In much of the west we have them, in much of the rest of the world they don't and they make a point of touting it as a superior alternative to ours...and some people here quietly agree.

    Same thing for blind justice, property rights, the right to operate an automobile, plastic bags in grocery stores. All of is a contentious issue.

    So unless you plan fact-check every video for any expression of an opinion or advocacy of a contentious issue, you shouldn't do it at all.

    If a Christian theologian were to put a video of his sermon, would you want little atheist factboxes popping up around it? Maybe you would, but you can't expect him to stay on the platform if it's going to go at his content with a thousand little pinpricks.

    If an atheist like Richard Dawkins puts up a lecture of his, is it sensible for little factboxes of REPENT SINNERS to pop up there?

    Be serious dude. You're either responsible for policing all of the content on your platform or you're responsible for none of it. There's very little ground in the middle.

  6. Re:Doesn't Go Far Enough by ArylAkamov · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd love to see the reaction to the little factbox stating "there are only two genders". This whole experiment would get pulled pretty quick if it was equally applied.

  7. Wikipedia Saved my sanity by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A few years ago Wikipedia saved me from believing all these monstrous conspiracy theories about Jimmy Saville being some prolific peodo or something.

    I'm sure it will do an excellent job in protecting the fragile masses from any other conspiracy theory today.

  8. hmm, what are the odds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    that a silicon valley outfit will flag the Trump-Russia stuff as a conspiracy theory?

    yeah... didn't think so.

    This is likely to be a replay of the garbage already playing out at Google which uses whacko places like the SPLC to flag "hate" and snopes and politifact to "fact check". In other words, progressives will flag everything and everyone they HATE as a conspiracy, or "hate speech" or false, while leaving even the most dishonest bile-filled hate fountains of the left to go unchecked or unflagged, since as everybody knows progressives are always good and truthful and loving even while they are flinging explitives and lying and demanding everybody they disagree with must die.

  9. I have an idea by slashmydots · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I want to see a huuuuge disclaimer on these looney SJWs' videos stating there are only 2 genders and thinking otherwise is a mental illness.

  10. Re: Donald trump is a RUSSIAN! by butzwonker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First of all, one man's racism is not another's differing viewpoint. Racism is really just racism, it's a pretty well-defined notion. Nobody is expected to or even should be tolerant towards intolerant people. Read Sir Karl Poppers "The Open Society and Its Enemies", that might enlighten you.

    Second and way more importantly, this is not about racism or political opinions, this is about getting rid of obvious off-topic troll posts. This thread is not about whether Hillary Clinton is a member of the KKK, and the people who post this useless drivel can just go fuck off - permban them, shadow-ban them, delete their posts. I'm personally fine leaving all kinds of KKK posts in a thread about "Hillary Clinton is a member of KKK".

    These off-topic posts are designed to derail discussions. Ban those assholes, it's as simple as that.

  11. Re: Donald trump is a RUSSIAN! by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wrong, people mentioning issues with outsourcing major projects to India or wanting to discuss demographics of inner city crime have been called racist. It is often a smoke screen raised to prevent rational discussion, a label thrown when no substantial argument exists.

  12. Re: Donald trump is a RUSSIAN! by sinij · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Racism is really just racism, it's a pretty well-defined notion.

    Not in a today's SJW-infested world. For example, opposition to illegal immigration often portrayed as racism. So definition is anything but clear, and I can guarantee that my definition is quite different from AmiMoJo's.