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Facebook Suspends Donald Trump's Data Operations Team For Misusing People's Personal Information (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Facebook said late Friday that it had suspended Strategic Communication Laboratories (SCL), along with its political data analytics firm, Cambridge Analytica, for violating its policies around data collection and retention. The companies, which ran data operations for Donald Trump's 2016 presidential election campaign, are widely credited with helping Trump more effectively target voters on Facebook than his rival, Hillary Clinton. While the exact nature of their role remains somewhat mysterious, Facebook's disclosure suggests that the company improperly obtained user data that could have given it an unfair advantage in reaching voters. Facebook said it cannot determine whether or how the data in question could have been used in conjunction with election ad campaigns.

In a blog post, Facebook deputy general counsel Paul Grewal laid out how SCL came into possession of the user data. In 2015, Aleksandr Kogan, a psychology professor at the University of Cambridge, created an app named "thisisyourdigitallife" that promised to predict aspects of users' personalities. About 270,000 people downloaded it and logged in through Facebook, giving Kogan access to information about their city of residence, Facebook content they had liked, and information about their friends. Kogan passed the data to SCL and a man named Christopher Wylie from a data harvesting firm known as Eunoia Technologies, in violation of Facebook rules that prevent app developers from giving away or selling users' personal information. Facebook learned of the violation that year and removed his app from Facebook. It also asked Kogan and his associates to certify that they had destroyed the improperly collected data. Everyone said that they did. The suspension is not permanent, a Facebook spokesman said. But the suspended users would need to take unspecified steps to certify that they would comply with Facebook's terms of service.

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  1. What a joke. by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And they seriously say they don't know how that information could have been misused? Bullshit. If I can figure it out after spending 20 minutes with their stupid API, then they built it into the business plan and it's not possible they aren't fully aware of exactly how it was meant to work.

    1. Re:What a joke. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is rather amazing how they can track everything about you down to what you had for breakfast this morning, but when comes to determining any possible negative information about their operations, why, they just have no idea.

    2. Re:What a joke. by SharpFang · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From bulk of available data, completely new, formerly unavailable data can be extracted. Correlations, statistics, trends - stuff "hidden in plain sight". Use geolocation and racial background and you can reliably predict credit capacity. Analyze shopping patterns and you can find hobbies. Finding political preferences, in particular "hesitant, open to suggestion" is definitely possible following history of likes on various articles, and sites frequented.

      Of course the excuse of "misusing" here is total bullshit. Facebook constantly misuses personal information. Their app listens in while your phone is in sleep mode, to fine tune their ad suggestions,

      The only "misuse" here was "regular use, but helping Trump".

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    3. Re:What a joke. by wallsg · · Score: 2

      Remember about how about 10 years ago Democrats were gloating about how those old, rickety Republicans were at a tremendous disadvantage because they didn't know how to leverage the internet and social media? It sounds to me like they figured out how to use social media AS THE GREAT DATA SPONGE IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE perfectly fine. The indignation is that the "wrong" people figured it out.

      The "shame" is on everyone who freely gives out their personal information for, what? Nothing at all. Here you go, world! I'm so important that I'm sure that EVERYONE wants to know everything about me and exactly what I did today!

      Why in the world does everyone want to spew out everything about themselves and then cry that they have no privacy?

  2. "Nobody can misuse our data but us!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They're only mad that their proprietary data got out, not that it was being "misused." That's the power of marketing, baby!

    1. Re:"Nobody can misuse our data but us!" by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're only mad that their proprietary data got out, not that it was being "misused." That's the power of marketing, baby!

      Exactly. Can't have other people selling personal data, only Google and Facebook are allowed to do that.

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    2. Re: "Nobody can misuse our data but us!" by Reverend+Green · · Score: 2

      How much of Facebook's revenue comes from fedgov black budget?

  3. Blame allocation by bugs2squash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would attach more blame to Facebook for allowing people to pull a stunt like this

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    1. Re:Blame allocation by AlanObject · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would attach more blame to Facebook for allowing people to pull a stunt like this

      If you are referring to the elevation of Donald Trump we should attach all blame where it belongs: on the idiots that voted for him.

      Whatever stunts were pulled with social media by these guys and the Russians, the essential facts about Donald Trump and what an incredible dishonest, morally cretinous fraud he is were out there for anyone with the slightest inclination to do so could find. They elected this scumbag all pumped up with inane slogans. To this day too many of them defend him regardless of the constant stream of scandals and lies any one of which would have had them calling for the blood of any Democratic president.

      On this scale of things Facebook is an innocent bystander.

    2. Re:Blame allocation by evil_aaronm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've had a long day, but I had time during the day - drove from the tail end of Long Island to home in western NY - to think about this. It struck me as odd, like, "Why the f would anyone with a brain vote for Trump?" And then I realized: They empathized with Trump to the extent that they wanted to be him. Like when we were kids - depending on how old you are - and Van Halen was all the rage, lots of people wanted to be EVH, but easily just as many people wanted to be "Diamond" David Lee Roth. Why? Well, the swagger, the charisma, the 'tude, the chicks. Either one had it all, but Roth, in particular, struck me as someone I'd rather emulate. In addition to all the above, he seemed funny, too. That was before I read more about both of them and realized they're people with their own issues and demons. Learning more about them took off a bit of the shine. Now, I know they're not perfect - in fact, they sound like assholes - but that doesn't mean I've completely abandoned them as a fan. I still like them both, but do I want to be them? No. I got my own life to worry about.

      But that's the thing: I think a lot of people don't just like Trump; they want to be him. They want what they see in Trump: the TV job; the cars; the helicopters; the glamorous parties; the flash and bling; the commanded "respect," etc. At some point, though, many of us realized that we weren't going to be the next DLR or EVH. We might have even changed our minds completely, and rejected that person after learning of this or that scandal. Evidently, with Trump, the scandals and his obvious inadequacies for the job of president do not register with these folks. Instead of bringing them down to earth, they just dig in deeper. Maybe someone with a better grasp of psychology could tell you why. I'm guessing dissatisfaction with their personal lives, with likely a large touch of insecurity.

      Bottom line: Is it really "idiocy," or is it escapism? Are Trump's supporters, in fact, a legion of fantasizing Walter Mittys?

    3. Re:Blame allocation by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe they voted for Trump because he was the better of the two options? I mean, US seems to be doing good from where I'm sitting, at least better than it was before the election. What I wonder is why are there still people that refuse to accept Trump is actually doing a good job?

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    4. Re:Blame allocation by GrimSavant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How far away are you sitting?

      Because you seemed to have missed the unending stream of scandals that are getting pretty hard to keep track of at this point both due to their depth and number. I guess if you don't want a fully functioning US Federal government for whatever reason it looks pretty good, but there big gaping holes in multiple key federal agencies functions, and those holes have only been growing bigger this week. Neither the political appointee level nor the career civil servant level seem particularly healthy. The diplomatic situation is utterly abysmal, and makes the Bush years look good in comparison. I guess the economy seems to be doing well, but that only works until it doesn't.

      Will the Trump supporters only realize that there's something wrong with him knocking down the pillars and the walls after the ceiling falls down on our head? Because it will be too late then.

    5. Re:Blame allocation by BlueStrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Line ticket democrats will never, ever admit that a Republican is doing a good job. They will admit grudgingly to Republicans that might have done a good job in the past so long as there is a greater Republican evil in the present.

      The people nor the country matter.
      It's all about that Blue Tribe.

      What's happening today including foreign collusion by political parties, corruption, and the bitter division among people, was foretold with shocking accuracy and precision over 200 years ago.

      A portion of a quote on the subject of the dangers of political parties:

      "...It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another. ..." -- George Washington

      I don't think Washington could have written more of a spot-on description of the current state of the US body-politic, unless it had a line at the bottom; "sent from my damned iPhone"!

      Strat

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    6. Re:Blame allocation by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are you kidding? Trump is running out of staff to fire and just started a damaging trade war. He failed to improve healthcare, backed out of Paris, made the office of POTUS a global laughing stock...

      Is there anything positive he has actually done? H1B reform perhaps. He was a useful idiot for Kim. Not much of an achievement.

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    7. Re:Blame allocation by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      No need to over-think this. He is a populist, a demagogue. Same technique that has worked over and over throughout history. When times are hard someone like Trump can promise simple solutions like getting rid of immigrants, building a wall, opening up obsolete industries and "draining the swamp".

      People respond to simple ideas that seem like they will produce quick results. The truth, that the problems are complex and difficult to solve and will require them to charge too is a much harder sell.

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    8. Re:Blame allocation by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Informative

      Healthcare was ruined by the last president, that needs to be reformatted and reinstalled from scratch, but too many politicians are standing in the way so it's just going to continue to fail. Backing out of Paris was a Very Good Thing since the US was basically going to pay for all the other countries. We don't need to sign some agreement to improve our global warming responsiblities. POTUS was a global laughing stock before Trump whether you admit that or not.

      Trump did a few positive things...
      1. Supreme Court Judge Gorsuch
      2. 59 missiles dropped in Syria
      3. He took us out of TPP
      4. Illegal immigration is now down 70%( the lowest in 17 years)
      5. Consumer confidence highest since 2000 at index 125.6
      6. Mortgage applications for new homes rise to a seven year high
      7. Arranged from 7% to 24% Tariff on lumber from Canada
      8. Bids for border wall are well underway
      9. Pulled out of the lopsided Paris accord
      10. Keystone pipeline approved
      11. NATO allies boost spending by 4.3%
      12. Allowing VA to terminate bad employees
      13. Allowing private healthcare choices for veterans
      14. More than 600,000jobs created
      15. Median household income at a 7 year high
      16. The Stock Market is at the highest ever in its history
      17. China agreed to American import of beef
      18. $89 Billion saved in regulation rollbacks
      19. Rollback of A Regulation to boost coal mining
      20. MOAB for ISIS
      21. Travel ban reinstated
      22. Executive order for religious freedom
      23. Jump started NASA
      24. $600 million cut from UN peacekeeping budget
      25. Targeting of MS13 gangs
      26. Deporting violent illegal immigrants
      27. Signed 41 bills to date
      28. Created a commission on child trafficking
      29. Created a commission on voter fraud
      30. Created a commission for opioids addiction
      31. Giving power to states to drug test unemployment recipients
      32. Unemployment lowest since May 2007
      33. Historic Black College University initiative
      34. Women In Entrepreneurship Act
      35. Created an office for illegal immigrant crime victims
      36. Reversed Dodd-Frank
      37. Repealed DOT ruling which would have taken power away from local governments for infrastructure planning 38. Order to stop crime against law enforcement
      39. End of DAPA program
      40. Stopped companies from moving out of America
      41. Promoted businesses to create American Jobs
      42. Encouraged country to once again - 'Buy American and hire American'
      43. Cutting regulations - 2 for every one created
      45. Review of all trade agreements to make sure they are America first
      46. Apprentice program
      47. Highest manufacturing surge in 3 years
      48. $78 Billion promised reinvestment from major businesses like Exxon, Bayer, Apple, SoftBank, Toyota
      49. Denied FBI a new building
      50. $700 million saved with F-35 renegotiation
      51. Saves $22 million by reducing white house payroll
      52. Dept of Treasury reports a $182 billion surplus for April 2017 (2nd largest in history)
      53. Negotiated the release of 6 US humanitarian workers held captive in Egypt
      54. Gas prices lowest in more than 12 years
      55. Signed An Executive Order To Promote Energy Independence and Economic Growth
      56. Has already accomplished more to stop government interference into people's lives than any President in the history of America
      57. President Trump has worked with Congress to pass more legislation in his first 100 days than any President since Truman
      58. Has given head executive of each branches 6 month time frame, dated March 15, 2017, to trim the fat, restructure and improve
      efficiency of their branch. (Observe the push-back the leaks the lies as entrenched POWER refuses to go silently into that good night!)
      59. Last, refused his Presidential pay check. Donated it to Veterans issues
      60. Repealed the abusive EPA WOTUS regs imposed by Obama.

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    9. Re:Blame allocation by burtosis · · Score: 2

      Is there anything positive he has actually done? H1B reform perhaps. He was a useful idiot for Kim. Not much of an achievement.

      I hate trump, but one positive thing was the first ever audit of the DOD 'misplacing' 21 thousand billion dollars Given that this could have paid off nearly all national debt, or expanded health care to everyone and paid for free college for all, I think some kind of accounting for unconstitutional appropriation of vast sums of money is a good thing.

    10. Re:Blame allocation by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1. Supreme Court Judge Gorsuch
      2. 59 missiles dropped in Syria
      3. He took us out of TPP
      4. Illegal immigration is now down 70%( the lowest in 17 years)
      7. Arranged from 7% to 24% Tariff on lumber from Canada
      8. Bids for border wall are well underway
      9. Pulled out of the lopsided Paris accord
      10. Keystone pipeline approved
      11. NATO allies boost spending by 4.3%
      12. Allowing VA to terminate bad employees
      13. Allowing private healthcare choices for veterans
      18. $89 Billion saved in regulation rollbacks
      19. Rollback of A Regulation to boost coal mining
      20. MOAB for ISIS
      21. Travel ban reinstated
      22. Executive order for religious freedom
      24. $600 million cut from UN peacekeeping budget
      29. Created a commission on voter fraud
      31. Giving power to states to drug test unemployment recipients
      36. Reversed Dodd-Frank
      39. End of DAPA program
      43. Cutting regulations - 2 for every one created
      45. Review of all trade agreements to make sure they are America first
      55. Signed An Executive Order To Promote Energy Independence and Economic Growth
      56. Has already accomplished more to stop government interference into people's lives than any President in the history of America
      58. Has given head executive of each branches 6 month time frame, dated March 15, 2017, to trim the fat, restructure and improve
      60. Repealed the abusive EPA WOTUS regs imposed by Obama.

      These are all bad things he did.

      5. Consumer confidence highest since 2000 at index 125.6
      6. Mortgage applications for new homes rise to a seven year high
      15. Median household income at a 7 year high
      16. The Stock Market is at the highest ever in its history
      23. Jump started NASA
      27. Signed 41 bills to date
      41. Promoted businesses to create American Jobs
      47. Highest manufacturing surge in 3 years
      52. Dept of Treasury reports a $182 billion surplus for April 2017 (2nd largest in history)
      53. Negotiated the release of 6 US humanitarian workers held captive in Egypt
      54. Gas prices lowest in more than 12 years

      These would have happened anyway.

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    11. Re:Blame allocation by penandpaper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How is Judge Gorsuch bad? Everything that I have seen and read about Gorsuch has shown a well tempered, honorable, intelligent, and principled man.

      If you think he was soooo bad you have to explain why he was appointed to the Circuit court of appeals unanimously by the same people that voted against his Supreme court nomination.

      You may not like Trump or what Trump does but Gorsuch is a good judge by every measure.

    12. Re:Blame allocation by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It was supposed to be Obama's pick. The system is stupid but that's how it works, and Obama made a perfectly good choice. Republican's refused because they saw an opportunity to stack the SCOTUS.

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    13. Re:Blame allocation by penandpaper · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ok, that has nothing to do with Gorsuch. That was politics and a gambit that McConnell bet big and won. Saying Gorsuch is bad because politics is stupid. Saying that the POTUS nomination == confirmation ignores the Constitutional power of the Senate and again has nothing to do with Gorsuch.

      You don't have a leg to stand on and that is apparent that your excuse is comes down to the constitutional power of the Senate.

    14. Re:Blame allocation by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      23. Jump started NASA

      Trump hasn't raised NASA's budget. Trump hasn't put a cogent NASA or national space policy in place. (In fact, his "policy" is President Obama's with a couple of lines changed and a whole bunch of puffed chest and meaningless propaganda.) Trump has done shit for NASA except to assemble yet another committee to put their political fingers in the pie.

    15. Re:Blame allocation by quantaman · · Score: 2

      Healthcare was ruined by the last president

      You mean how more people got coverage, preexisting conditions went away, and the rate of healthcare growing slowed?

      Yeah, it was destroyed.

      that needs to be reformatted and reinstalled from scratch

      How? Trump said he had a brilliant solution during the election... yet for some reason all we got was a gong show from the legislative branch.

      Backing out of Paris was a Very Good Thing since the US was basically going to pay for all the other countries.

      Good point, except for the fact it was a non-binding agreement for which you didn't have to pay a dime.

      We don't need to sign some agreement to improve our global warming responsiblities.

      True. But putting industry lackeys in charge of the DOE and EPA who go out of their way to subsidize coal plants isn't a very good way to start.

      POTUS was a global laughing stock before Trump whether you admit that or not.

      False but irrelevant, saying you were already overweight when you were 220lbs doesn't mean it's fine that you now weigh 300lbs.

      Trump did a few positive things...

      Oooh! Someone found a list!

      I'm sorry but that list is a joke. Most of the positive side effects are a consequence of a healthy global economy where the US is actually lagging and Presidents probably don't have much affect anyway.

      And all those positive effects are going to be swamped by the massive bill from the Corporate (GOP Donor) Tax cut.

      As for the rest it's part of his proposed trade war (bye-bye stock market), or heavily partisan actions that most people consider a negative.

      You even included

      29. Created a commission on voter fraud

      The gong show run by a conspiracy theorist that was disbanded in an attempt to shield their improperly withheld documents from disclosure.

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    16. Re:Blame allocation by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 2

      This. People need to pay attention. Trumpers will almost admit they favor authoritarianism. Ask them if they think it's ok that Trump does X thing that's traditionally outside of classical presidential power. Nepotism, back room deals, emoluments, willful blindness, constant open about-faces/outright lying, etc. The answer is always deflection or denial.

    17. Re:Blame allocation by quantaman · · Score: 2

      Yes I included the voter fraud commission, just because it was disbanded doesn't mean it was a bad idea, just means this commission didn't work out but voter fraud is a serious issue and Trump should be applauded for at least trying to tackle it https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...

      Voter fraud is not a problem in the US.

      I can't recall how many times I heard some Republican claim "oh we found rock solid evidence of 1000 cases of voter fraud!" and you'll later hear that at least 999 of them turned out to be due to crappy government databases and the remaining one almost certainly was as well... but there's also a small chance it was a green card holder who got confused. The GOP just keeps pushing the lie because it serves as an excuse to implement voter IDs, and when you insist that voters need ID to vote, and minorities who vote Democrat are disproportionately likely to lack IDs, then you suppress some of the Democratic vote.

      The only kind of voter fraud that might be frequent enough to change elections is with mail-in ballots. But here the fraud (if it really is significant) is more likely to be from husbands "ensuring" their wives vote correctly, and since men vote Republican the GOP doesn't care. But again, we don't really know if this is significant.

      And that is fundamentally why the commission was disbanded. Because voter fraud doesn't exist the Republicans had to fabricate evidence, and because they had to fabricate evidence the couldn't share documents with the Democrats, and because the court ordered them to share documents they had to scrap the whole endeavour.

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  4. Re:So? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The companies don't belong to Trump

    You're right, it's the other way around.

    Cambridge Analytica is owned by SCL which is owned by the hedge fund billionaire Robert Mercer and his harridan daughter/wife, Rebekah. They also own the Breitbart septic tank, as well as the manchurian candidate known as Donald J Trump, who is currently on loan to some Russian oligarchs and a terrorist named Putin who just murdered people in Britain with chemical weapons. One of the people he murdered was business partner of a Russian-born business partner of Donald Trump, a guy named Sater, who is a double-agent and convicted money launderer who tried to get Trump financing for a Moscow Trump Tower and is now an informant for the Mueller investigation.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/...

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16...

    This is all gonna make a great movie after Trump is done. It's like Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, except with vulgar, money-grubbing sleazebags, porn stars, Slovenian prostitutes and two large failsons who like to run around the world killing endangered animals and posting Pepe memes.

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  5. virtue signalling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It was not that long ago that the Trump team announced the guy who will run the 2020 re-election campaign is going to be the guy who ran Trump's digital campaign efforts, and there were stories about how he had cleverly taken advantage of a program Facebook offered to BOTH campaigns to embed teams to help with digital outreach (Facebook was NOT favoring Trump, Hillary simply turned down Facebook's offer).

    In the modern era of outraged boycotting left wingers who go nuts against any company they suspect has been anything other than hostile to their enemies, is is possible this is Facebook's way of trying to deflect and protect itself from blowback?

    Odd and bad things can happen when mobs with torches and pitchforks (real or virtual) are on the rampage.

  6. Re: So? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Putin only tried to murder people in Britain with chemical weapons: Skripal and his daughter are still alive.

    I have trouble keeping up with all the new stuff coming out. Isn't there some Russian oligarch whose name began with the letter "B" who was just found dead? He's the guy who was the business partner of the guy Felix Sater who was Cheetolini's business partner in the Trump Soho and the one who babysat L'il Don and Ivanka when they went to Moscow to kiss the ring.

    Yeah, there's dead Russians turning up everywhere, and they all happen to be on Putin's enemies list. No wonder President Jackoff is afraid to say anything about sanctions. He's deathly afraid of Putin.

    It's getting like the last part of Goodfellas where Henry's all coked up and paranoid and trying to move money and make a deal with the Feds to rat out Paulie and Jimmy while they're running around whacking guys to try to tidy up before their world ends. You gotta admit, it's entertaining in a Shakespearean/Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight kind of way.

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  7. Re: So? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Informative

    "According to Buzzfeed" makes it final, right? Right?

    Neither of the two links I provided is to Buzzfeed, and neither story mentions Buzzfeed. What does Buzzfeed have to do with this story or anything I've said?

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  8. Re: So? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

    I figured out the female lead when the movie of this whole tawdry and treasonous Trump/Russia affair is made. This is the story of the nice-looking young lady who went undercover in the Russian troll farm and exposed them to the world.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/p...

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  9. There's plenty of blame to go around by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All Hilary had to do was take him seriously and campaign properly (or at all) in the swing states. Instead she wasted time in states like Az where she didn't have a prayer in hell of winning. She thought she was gonna get some sorta Reaganesque style super victory. Funny thing is there were two things that I kept hearing people say they didn't like about her: Cold & Arrogant. And boy, did she prove that right.

    Worst thing is the right wing corporate Dems haven't learned a damn thing and they're probably gonna run Hilary 2.0 (Kamala Harris). What they hell is the bloody point of voting for a Democrat who's gonna run things like a Republican?

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    1. Re: There's plenty of blame to go around by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All Hilary had to do was take him seriously and campaign properly (or at all) in the swing states.

      Hillary's campaign had and spent about double the money that Trump did on his campaign. Seems they were pretty serious. The thing is ... no matter how much money you spend buying makeup for a pig, it's still going to be a pig.

  10. Re: So? by Memnos · · Score: 2

    Hmm.. guess I gotta differ there. I vote based on what I think is best for the country, you vote to win a 5th-grade level argument. I'm guessing life treats me nicer than it does you.

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  11. Re:pure political bs by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Slashdot comments are increasingly just ranting conspiracy theories. Sad.

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  12. She spent $700 million of that by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    on 4 consultancy firms. I'm pretty sure she got Rhomey'd. e.g. the firms thought they had an easy win so they pocketed the money and didn't campaign. The folks on the ground in the swing states didn't have any support. One guy in an important and competitive district was on tape complaining he only got one short visit from Barney Frank and nobody was going around distributing signs. Meanwhile on election day I had a guy driving around in one of those trucks with advertisements on the back for Trump.

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  13. Re:You're making it too complex by penandpaper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Was he lying? It seems to me that he is actually trying to fulfill those promises. You may disagree on what he is doing and disagree on whether his policy will help but I honestly do not believe he lied about trying to help those people. He has been keeping is campaign promises.

    How has he lied to them?

  14. Might be time for SNS regulation after all by Etcetera · · Score: 2

    Here's the problem with this:

    Facebook could legitimately feel that terms were broken, or they might not. They might or might not choose to enforce those terms against customers that they "like" (no pun intended) that just so happen to be affiliated with the other side. There's a normal liberatarian-ish response to just say that private companies can do whatever they want, but the Social Networks are *so* powerful (80%+ engagement, 90%+ ad revenue if you include Google AdWords) that removal of that is a huge competitive disadvantage to disfavored candidates and parties.

    We already have some regulations requiring equal broadcasting time and access to over-the-air political ads during a campaign season, which were developed during the time when TV was the most important demographic advertising source around. In 2018, this is social media.

    We need real regulation of the handling of personal data and ad networks, to prevent tech industry's overwhelming power being used only for candidates its employees specifically support. These aren't just "regular companies" any more... They have more day-to-day power over American culture than Standard Oil ever did, and unless/until real anti-trust regulation happens and data storage is handled independently from advertising, we need to ensure the situation doesn't get more and more worse.

  15. 45 contained the MAFIAA by leaving the TPP by tepples · · Score: 2

    3. He took us out of TPP

    These are all bad things he did.

    I see this particular item differently: a stopped-clock moment in which President Trump helped save the world from the United States. After the United States left the Trans-Pacific Partnership, it passed without the harmful copyright provisions on which USTR insisted at the behest of the music and film industry associations of America. How is helping to contain the MAFIAA's push to spread copyright maximalism a bad thing?

    1. Re:45 contained the MAFIAA by leaving the TPP by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 2

      Leaving TPP was a huge win for China, the country that just confirmed dictatorial rule. Just after Trump helped China, he was given a bunch of patents. Like almost all of his decisions, he didn't care about saving anyone from anything, except himself.