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Facebook and Its Executives Are Getting Destroyed After Botching the Handling of a Massive Data Breach (businessinsider.com)

The way Facebook has disclosed the abuse of its system by Cambridge Analytica, which has been reported this week, speaks volumes of Facebook's core beliefs. Sample this except from Business Insider: Facebook executives waded into a firestorm of criticism on Saturday, after news reports revealed that a data firm with ties to the Trump campaign harvested private information from millions of Facebook users. Several executives took to Twitter to insist that the data leak was not technically a "breach." But critics were outraged by the response and accused the company of playing semantics and missing the point. Washington Post reporter Hamza Shaban: Facebook insists that the Cambridge Analytica debacle wasn't a data breach, but a "violation" by a third party app that abused user data. This offloading of responsibility says a lot about Facebook's approach to our privacy. Observer reporter Carole Cadwalladr, who broke the news about Cambridge Analytica: Yesterday Facebook threatened to sue us. Today we publish this. Meet the whistleblower blowing the lid off Facebook and Cambridge Analytica. [...] Facebook's chief strategy officer wading in. So, tell us @alexstamos (who expressed his displeasure with the use of "breach" in media reports) why didn't you inform users of this "non-breach" after The Guardian first reported the story in December 2015? Zeynep Tufekci: If your business is building a massive surveillance machinery, the data will eventually be used and misused. Hacked, breached, leaked, pilfered, conned, "targeted", "engaged", "profiled", sold.. There is no informed consent because it's not possible to reasonably inform or consent. [...] Facebook's defense that Cambridge Analytica harvesting of FB user data from millions is not technically a "breach" is a more profound and damning statement of what's wrong with Facebook's business model than a "breach." MIT Professor Dean Eckles: Definitely fascinating that Joseph Chancellor, who contributed to collection and contract-violating retention (?) of Facebook user data, now works for Facebook. Amir Efrati, a reporter at the Information: May seem like a small thing to non-reporters but Facebook loses credibility by issuing a Friday night press release to "front-run" publications that were set to publish negative articles about its platform. If you want us to become more suspicious, mission accomplished. Further reading: Facebook's latest privacy debacle stirs up more regulatory interest from lawmakers (TechCrunch).

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  1. A lesson by burtosis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For people who didn't see why they should care about who uses thier data or how it's used, thinking they had noting to hide and it wouldn't affect them, I hope you learned a lesson.

    1. Re: A lesson by jd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What was lost by people accessing your private data in your account?

      Every page you've ever visited, including any that could compromise you.

      Every post you've ever written, even to closed and secret groups.

      Every after you've chased. Every move you made. Every like you paid, every group you've saved, they've been watching you.

      Oh, don't you see, you're in their data tree, every move you've made means that they get paid.

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      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
    2. Re:A lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only problem is that they were looking for (and found) dumb people. Then they targeted those dumb people with fake news. I did not say all conservatives are dumb - clearly they aren't. Just that dumb people are easily swayed by things like "lock her up" and "but those emails!" and "that pizza place where they do x, y, z to the children". So they used this to find enough of those people to help the Russian's sway the election. Now, are those dumb people going to change their data sharing habits? Not likely. Are they going to become less gullible? Hah!

    3. Re:A lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No one will learn a lesson. They're blaming Cambridge Analytica for doing what Facebook and advertisers and dataminers are doing as you read this. The only difference is that the Trump campaign apparently commissioned the data.

      As the Facebook brass said, it wasn't a data breach. It was, in every respect, business as usual. And the public don't get that. The MA attorney general is making a big show of cracking down. Cracking down on what? Online spying? Great! But she probably has no idea that a dozen datamining companies are tracking her movements as she researches the case online.

      "Say, why do I keep seeing ads for Wired and The Nation subscriptions?"

    4. Re: A lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the US, they have quite good protection of their privacy from the government,

      Yeah. that's the theory. Not the practice.

    5. Re:A lesson by Ken+McE · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't care what Facebook knows about me. And I'm sure they know something, since my family members use it. But they can't track my location, calls, emails, and other personal stuff that could only come from me.

      That's kind of like saying that this octopus tentacle over here on my left can't hurt me when I've got this whole other side where it can't reach.

      Our problem is that this is just one single arm, not the whole beast. The actual data aggregators are obscure companies or agencies that you may have never heard of, and they are OK with that, because you are their product, not their customer.

      The consequences come when your automotive insurance shoots up for no reason (because some one in your family has hit the threshold to trigger some algorithm you've never heard of) or your medical insurance starts going up every quarter, without limit, because they've decided you're no longer a good risk and need to be shaken off, or you can't seem to buy property where you want because the HOA thinks your profile is "just not right", or when you can't get a job you're superbly prepared for because of something your son posted from your machine a few years ago and on and on.

      Facebook gathers opinions, political views, and social networks. Someone else is responsible for tracking other bits of your life like location, phone calls, and emails.

      You should be concerned about this because it is part of a larger and growing system, and that system is massively unconcerned with your best interests.

  2. Enough of the hyperbole in the headlines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dear Slashdot, please knock it off with the hyperbole in the headline. Unless the Facebook executives are literally being torn limb from limb or being ground into dust, I don't really find the over top headline informative or useful.

  3. What by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Who the hell would be worried about their data on Facebook?
    This is a place where you tell the world about what you're doing and what's going on with your life.

    What are you afraid of? Someone finding out about what you're trying to tell the whole world?

    I suppose you could be a moron and tell Facebook things like your phone number, but who would seriously do that and then expect Facebook to keep that a secret?

  4. Destroyed by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sure their tens in millions in stock options will soothe them. Give me a break.

  5. Harvesting profiles is not a breach by blogagog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm confused. The only thing they did was view 40 Million profiles on Facebook? Google, Bing, and DuckDuckGo do more than that every single day.

    1. Re:Harvesting profiles is not a breach by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it's not a breach, Facebook is correct on that point. The real issue here, and one that Facebook seems to be pulling off successfully judging by some of the replies so far, is that Facebook's response to 50m user profiles being harvested and abused is to turn it into a discussion about semantics through misdirection. That's *exactly* what Facebook wants the discussion to be on, because it puts them in a favourable light, rather than the real point of TFS, which is that their business model is not only based almost entirely on sharing user data with third parties, but also has no controls or policies in place to effectively govern what happens when they get a bad actor like Cambridge Analytics in the mix.

      tl;dr: it's not just about "All your data belong to Facebook (and the rest)", it's that they'll freely share that data with third parties and don't give a fuck what happens when someone abuses their access to it.

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    2. Re:Harvesting profiles is not a breach by Entrope · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are almost right. Facebook isn't upset that this company got so much information about Facebook users. They are upset that this company didn't pay Facebook for that information, and that the company didn't pay them more to used Facebook's targeting services.

    3. Re:Harvesting profiles is not a breach by Rob+Y. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The kind of targeted advertising that was delivered via Facebook (outright falsities and incitements to violence, etc) would be illegal on just about any other medium. Certainly on Television, and certainly as relates to electioneering rules. That it wasn't illegal in 2016 - and that it was so widespread - is just more indication that Facebook needs to be regulated as an advertising medium. Ads and other commercial items clearly labeled as such - with their sponsors identities either shown or made available.

      "Hi, I'm Vladimir Putin, and I approve this message"

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  6. Color me surprised by quonset · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who would have thought that a company founded on collecting people's personal data and selling it to third parties would be involved in a scandal about the collection of people's personal data without those people's permissions?

    It's almost as if the people using FB had no clue what was going on.

  7. Re: What's the real issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hillary's campaign was very proud of their use of social media platforms to harvest votes. Obama's campaign bragged about their efficiency at doing so.
    Trump hires advisors who beat them and suddenly it's a breach?

    That Facebook decides its response based on the politics of their customer tells us all we need to know about their lack of values

  8. Anyone surprised by this? by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The old rule still applies: don't post ANYTHING on the internet that you would be upset to seeing printed in the newspaper that next day! I'd advise against taking any digital nudes or videos in the first place; no telling where they will end up. Don't google anything that would trigger NSA keywords, no matter how interesting the subject of homemade explosives is. Avoid watching kitty porn. Don't mention online how much you would love to see Trump have a heart attack. Probably need to avoid monitored keywords in your phone conversations as well.

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    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  9. Re: What's the real issue? by Mitreya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    multiple European laws were violated, malware was used, and the military's psychological warfare division attempted?

    Yes, and Facebook is being "destroyed" as we speak.
    They might even pay a small fine when this is all over. Or not.

    Equifax is still standing, and that was financial, non-voluntarily given data, and on a far larger scale.