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How Einstein Lost His Bearings, and With Them, General Relativity (quantamagazine.org)

Kevin Hartnett, writing for Quanta magazine: Albert Einstein released his general theory of relativity at the end of 1915. He should have finished it two years earlier. When scholars look at his notebooks from the period, they see the completed equations, minus just a detail or two. "That really should have been the final theory," said John Norton, an Einstein expert and a historian of science at the University of Pittsburgh. But Einstein made a critical last-second error that set him on an odyssey of doubt and discovery -- one that nearly cost him his greatest scientific achievement. The consequences of his decision continue to reverberate in math and physics today.

Here's the error. General relativity was meant to supplant Newtonian gravity. This meant it had to explain all the same physical phenomena Newton's equations could, plus other phenomena that Newton's equations couldn't. Yet in mid-1913, Einstein convinced himself, incorrectly, that his new theory couldn't account for scenarios where the force of gravity was weak -- scenarios that Newtonian gravity handled well. "In retrospect, this is just a bizarre mistake," said Norton. To correct this perceived flaw, Einstein thought he had to abandon what had been one of the central features of his emerging theory. Einstein's field equations -- the equations of general relativity -- describe how the shape of space-time evolves in response to the presence of matter and energy. To describe that evolution, you need to impose on space-time a coordinate system -- like lines of latitude and longitude -- that tells you which points are where.
Another interesting read on Quanta: Why Stephen Hawking's Black Hole Puzzle Keeps Puzzling.

119 comments

  1. Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In this era of computers and CPU's and constant distraction, he wouldn't have managed to get to even first realization. The Theory of Relativity was a triumph of abstract thought; this is something that doesn't really happen anymore.

    1. Re: Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Abstract thinking does still occur, just that modern computing smacks em down real quick as being invalid.

    2. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      This is a good point of discussion. Things aren't as black and white as you imply, of course, but distractions are way up these days.

      I came up with my theory because of an unusual job situation -- caring for first one and later a second Alzheimer's person, on very long shifts, the second one at night -- one in the country, the second where I wasn't able to have the lights on.

      I listened to a physics series on audio player almost every waking minute for a year and a half.

      So it can be done, but circumstances will need to play a big part.

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    3. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      What the hell are you talking abou

    4. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell are you talking abou [sic]

      That encoded message was meant for me. Move along, nothing to see here.

    5. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Abstract thought" still occurs. It's just that you best keep your mouth shut or wind up being labeled a crackpot.

    6. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Einstein didn't come up with it, someone else would have in the next 5 years. He wasn't working in a vacuum. The idea that matter and energy are interchangeable some way was already well on it's way by Poincaré and others before Einstein. Lorentz already described time dilation and the Lorentz transformations is pretty much the basis of special relativity.

      Look at Hawking and the state of the art now in theoretical physics. You have many people that are/were probably on the same level as Einstein was, it's just getting more and more complicated to come up with new shiny groundbreaking theories.

      If anything, research will more faster, because there are more ways to communicate.

    7. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by HP+Hovercraft · · Score: 2

      This is why I've been contemplating switching to a feature phone and having only 1 personal computer. Maybe even get rid of a phone altogether. The problem is the rest of the world operates in the internet/smartphone paradigm, so I would be handicapping myself. But the distractions abound and continue to grow. There is no respite. Since we are all addicted to our devices, we are all equal slaves, so it doesn't really improve our lives since we are all "advancing" at the same rate.

    8. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by slew · · Score: 2

      If Einstein didn't come up with it, someone else would have in the next 5 years. He wasn't working in a vacuum.

      Actually there is considerable evidence that Hilbert was basically working on general relativity at the same time as Einstein and submitted an article for publication 5 *days* before Einstein's publication (although Hilbert needed to work out a few changes with the publisher in his result and his formulation wasn't published until 3 months later). There is an on-going dispute on who actually got the math right first for the correct field equations, although most agree that the foundational ideas/inspiration about Relativity were from Einstein...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    9. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      In fact I believe that what drive theoretical physics is not the genius of a few scientists but precision and observation.
      A few centuries ago, there is no way we could have observed the effects of relativity, measurements weren't precise enough, and we had too many unknowns. If Newtonian physics give the right answer within the margins of error of the time, then there is no reason for another, more complex theory to exist.
      In order for science to advance, we first need data to disprove the theory of the time with reasonable certainty, and then, we can search for a better model. Usually, the new model comes relatively soon after the observation.

      In fact, that's the problem we have now with the string theory. It explains everything, but we don't have enough data to refine it and test hypothesis.

    10. Re: Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the My Theory link is a hugely distracting page of disjointed pieces. it's like watching a show, but being interrupted every other spoken word with a ad.

      All it needs is blinking text and it'll be complete.

    11. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. Computers are a blessing as well as a curse. Sure, Einstein might have "wasted" some time every day on facetwit or /., but he could also have spent some time wandering around wikipedia and run across the page on Riemannian geometry much earlier, which could have saved him years of toil.

      More generally though modern physics is not wanting for triumphs of abstract thought: in fact you could argue that there are perhaps too many competing ideas - loop quantum gravity, string theory, non-commutative geometry, ER=EPR to name a tiny fraction - and too little experimental data to sort between them.

    12. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to post something, but I was distracted before I even hit Submi

    13. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Actually there is considerable evidence that Hilbert was basically working on general relativity at the same time as Einstein and submitted an article for publication 5 *days* before Einstein's publication (although Hilbert needed to work out a few changes with the publisher in his result and his formulation wasn't published until 3 months later). There is an on-going dispute on who actually got the math right first for the correct field equations, although most agree that the foundational ideas/inspiration about Relativity were from Einstein...

      That dispute was not started by Hilbert. Despite his concurrent work, Hilbert credited Einstein with the discovery of General Relativity.

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    14. Re: Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What an amusing comment. I shall enjoy reflecting on it for some time to come. I am in your debt, sir.

    15. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Einstein was right to hold back - up until the day he died, he know his theories were not accurate enough.
      For example, the supposition that nothing can travel faster than light - means that gravity by definition travels at the speed of light in order to affect our orbit around the sun. Yet my understanding is that Earth's position is relative to the position of the sun as it exists in the sky at this very moment - not 8 minutes ago. If it were not, then we'd have a sling-shot effect build up, and we'd find ourselves (Earth) being ejected out of the solar system.

      That's just one flaw. There are others. That's why in 1937?? he released a paper proving why there can't be a singularity (black hole) as we know them today. They very guy attributed with its discovery was not a believer in them. What does that say for us mere mortals? Perhaps her knew more than was published - and we're all being foolish to not heed his warnings? Yet what do we know today? As a software developer myself, I live by GIGO. (Garbage In, Garbage Out). Could our models be telling us what we think we want them to, instead of what is actually there (or not) ?

    16. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by AlejandroTejadaC · · Score: 1

      Really interesting! Later, today, I will take time to read it thoroughly. Thanks for posting about this.

    17. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by DrJimbo · · Score: 2

      I looked at some of the pages on your site trying to find an example of an actual prediction of spring-and-loop theory, not just a bunch of hand waving. For a theory that you claim solves so very many problems while the existing theories are trash, it shouldn't be so hard to come up with one explanation.

      So please, point me to an example of how to use SAL to make a numerical prediction. Since you claim to have a better replace for pretty much all of the existing mainstream physics theories there should be a plethora of worked examples that make numerical predictions. The deflection of light by the sun, the perihelion precession of Mercury, the radius of a hydrogen atom, its energy levels, the fine structure constant. The list is almost endless.

      Your saying that most of the existing theories are trash even though they make amazingly accurate predictions about many aspects of the natural world around us makes it appear you are a crackpot. The apparent lack of any numerical results from your new theory that replaces them seems to seal the deal. I think it would be really really cool if you have come up with a better theory. If you can show me a worked example then I will convince mainstream physicists whom I have worked with that they should stop working on string theory and the standard model and general relativity and instead follow your lead. It would be by far the biggest shake up of physics in history. You will almost certainly win a Nobel Prize.

      But until I see a worked example, you seem to be just another crackpot who is muddying the waters in order to garner undeserved attention.

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      -- Anais Nin
    18. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      It is not the first step of a theory but a last step to provide specific numerical results. What has been accomplished so far is not too shabby, considering it has been done with zero budget. Please compare $0.00 with the $5,000,000,000/year waste that is the LHC.

      Also note that many of the predictions made by Spring-And-Loop Theory do not need to be numeric to be significant. That is the whole point of a new model. You are like a buggy whip maker demanding I show you a new and improved buggy whip.

      For example, Albert Einstein won his Nobel for the photoelectric effect, despite that being nothing but a theory; a mere speculationj -- an "I wonder that was unsubstantiated for the next 9 years.

      ...then I will convince mainstream physicists whom I have worked with that they should stop working on string theory and the standard model and general relativity and instead follow your lead...

      Anyone who would put forward string theory as something of value evokes my empathy. And so, out of kindness, I continue.

      As to the "standard" "model", Wikipedia's List of (hundreds of) unsolved problems in physics puts the lie to anyone saying it is valid, sound or useful.

      Views like yours are the real problem -- bought and paid for "scientists" with zero incentive to support anything that actually works.

      I get it. I just can't go down that corruption route. Primarily because it is the least interesting path.

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    19. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by DrJimbo · · Score: 1

      Views like yours are the real problem -- bought and paid for "scientists" with zero incentive to support anything that actually works.

      Bullshit. I am not bought and paid for. I never was. All you seem to do is insult those around you without providing any evidence at all that your theory has any value.

      My view is I want to support you but you need to provide me with some evidence that your theory has value. If you want to replace the standard model and general relativity and so much more, that's fine but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But I'm not asking for extraordinary evidence, I'm asking for a shred of evidence. Instead of pointing me to that shred, you insult me for offering to help promote your theories.

      As for the lists of unsolved problems, it does not make the standard model useless or invalid or unsound. The standard model has made many predictions that later came true. This is the true test of a theory. That is basically what I'm asking you to show with your theory. Show me how to use it to make predictions. If it can't do that then it is not even wrong. It is not even physics.

      Didn't you say you've already solved a bunch of the unsolved problems? If so then show me one of the solutions. If you want to replace theories that make, sometimes fantastically accurate, predictions then your new theory has to be able to make the same or better predictions, otherwise we need to keep the current theories.

      Even if your new theories can't make predictions, I still honestly want to understand them. I spent time on your web site and I couldn't find anything except very vague arm waving. I got tired of wading through the arm waving so I asked you to point me in the direction of the good stuff so I could understand what you are talking about. Despite your tirades and insults, I still want to understand what you are talking about, if that is possible.

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  2. Slash is back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoa! Interesting nerdy stuff! no politics! no psuedo science!

    Hot damn!!

    This is very interesting, thanks very much.

    1. Re: Slash is back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely. Excellent article.

    2. Re: Slash is back! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

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  3. Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What actually happens when matter turns to energy and back?
    What's the difference between energy that is electromagnetic and energy that is motion?
    Why the difference?
    Can you turn motion energy into photon energy?
    Why not?
    Where does the value of C come from?
    Why is there a limit at all?
    Why is that limit exceeded by observation?
    How come there are so many forces?
    Why is gravity only an attraction force and others not?
    What is time?
    Why does inertia and momentum require time?
    Why don't things happen instantaneuosly?
    What if they do? How would we perceive that?
    What would motion look like in a world where everything happens instantaneously?
    What would that be perceived as to beings whose brains are built on the motion of electons?

    I'm curious, perhaps someone can explain.

    1. Re: Questions by guruevi · · Score: 1, Informative

      Read Einstein's books, they aren't copyrighted anymore and have all those answers.

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    2. Re: Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they don't. It's fine to say "we don't know" to any of the questions.

    3. Re: Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And luckily grandparent poster speaks German (for 3% of the world's population).

    4. Re: Questions by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      The words are a distraction. Just stare at the equations.

    5. Re: Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man I asked such simple questions, phrased in the simplest way, and all I wanted to do was to get you to explain in common sense terms what you believe to be the answer. No judgement, just interesting to see how much thought people put into these things.

      Look, lets try again. Simplify the brain, imagine our brains are one neuron with one electron travelling along it. Our perception is the position of that electron. If you consider the brain is just a system of neurons, then any equation describing the world, also describes our brains, and our perception of that world.

      And simplify the world, the world/universe/everything is one particle travelling across space from A to B..

      So the particle moves and our understanding of the motion moves too as the electron moves in the neuron, with the same math applying to both.

      t, time, in that system is simply a parameterization of the motion equations. We can define the world in terms of the position of that electron in our brains if we want and eliminate t altogether. Or we can parameterize in any other form. Time in *that* system does not exist, yet we can only perceive the world as thought it does.

      If everything happens all at once, it wouldn't change the way we see the world, because the way we see the world depends on the position of that electron in that neuron.

      In other words, t is simply a parameter WE CHOSE to represent change in a system AS PERCEIVED BY US. It's passage is simply our perception of its passage. If it incorrectly handles gravity in our equations, then the fault is with the equation. Time does not change it's nature, because it was only ever an arbitrary parameterization we chose.

      And our space, WE CHOSE to define as cartesian space, it also was OUR choice. If the equations of motion require the nature of space to change, then the equation of motion is the thing that needs to change, because the arbitrary definition of space WE CHOSE as a coordinate system.

      You see my point.

      Losing yourself in the equations really doesn't help.

    6. Re: Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Questions like these are inseparably linked to human perception, so any answer to this question will tread around philosophy and psychology. I've been down this road and every answer was disappointment.

    7. Re: Questions by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      We know the answer to all those questions. You do too.

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    8. Re: Questions by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Simplify the TL;DR.

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    9. Re: Questions by Falconhell · · Score: 3, Funny

      Its hard to explain after Harrods was destroyed by the Vogons.

    10. Re:Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What actually happens when matter turns to energy and back?

      It has never been observed to completion, only buildup of mass on high-speed particles and significant energy release on disassembly of atoms.

      What's the difference between energy that is electromagnetic and energy that is motion?

      How it interacts with other energies.

      Why the difference?

      They are essentially different, but also somewhat similar. That's why you are having trouble disconnecting the similarity in names from the difference in meaning.

      Can you turn motion energy into photon energy?

      There are many means of conversion.

      Why not?

      False.

      Where does the value of C come from?

      Observation and calculation.

      Why is there a limit at all?

      We suspect there is a limit because Maxwell's Equations have an asymptote at that value. We accept that there is a limit because high energy testing shows the predicted behavior.

      Why is that limit exceeded by observation?

      It hasn't been.

      How come there are so many forces?

      There are 4.

      Why is gravity only an attraction force and others not?

      Gravity and the strong nuclear force are attraction, the weak nuclear force is repulsion. Magnetism is directionally attraction.

      What is time?

      A direction.

      Why does inertia and momentum require time?

      By definition.

      Why don't things happen instantaneuosly?

      Things do, and trends don't.

      What if they do? How would we perceive that?

      You wouldn't. At best, your perception is functional on the order of 10^42 hypothetical distinct moments per AC observation.

      What would motion look like in a world where everything happens instantaneously?

      Have you been to a rave with a strobe light? Start from there.

    11. Re: Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're simple logic not vague philosphy.

      Matter doesn't bend space and time, because space isn't the coordinate system we chose and time isn't the tick of seconds we chose.

      Our description of the something isn't the something itself.

      i.e. its just a fixup of neutonian equations to correct for mass and shouldn't be thought of in any wibbly wobbly fluffy sense it's been magic'd up into.

    12. Re: Questions by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Mental masturbation is so unsatisfying.

    13. Re: Questions by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Can you turn motion energy into photon energy?

      Can you plug a fucking lightbulb into a generator? No; can you?? Apparently, that's up for debate...

    14. Re: Questions by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      i.e. its just a fixup of neutonian equations to correct for mass

      I thought that the Neutonians are a hostile species from the Vorxon VII star system, who are not known for their math skills.

    15. Re:Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where does the value of C come from?

      My research group thinks light interacts with virtual pairs all the time in its trajectory...

      Why is there a limit at all?

      ...slowing it down, like traveling through a viscous fluid. That would the reason both for the speed and the limit speed.

      Wait for the paper.

    16. Re:Questions by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Why is that limit exceeded by observation?

      What?

      Why is gravity only an attraction force and others not?

      Because it's not a force.

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    17. Re: Questions by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Hey, is this the Electric Universe guy? Is he trying to use the Socratic method or something to help us realize that Relativity Is Wrong?

      Well, sure it is. Newton is wrong too. There is no gravity. The universe sucks. Electrically. Just got to plug it in somewhere.

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    18. Re:Questions by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Ditto. And the fun bit at the end when the AC got a little snarky...

      "
      Why don't things happen instantaneuosly? [sic]
      Things do, and trends don't.

      What if they do? How would we perceive that?
      You wouldn't. At best, your perception is functional on the order of 10^42 hypothetical distinct moments per AC observation.
      "

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    19. Re:Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...

      I'm curious, perhaps someone can explain.

      Translated: "I'm just a fucking troll who doesn't actually give a fuck"

    20. Re:Questions by slew · · Score: 1

      Mass and energy are basically the same thing when it comes to inertia/acceleration/gravity. You measure "mass-energy" and the quantity is conserved (mass doesn't disappear, it converts to energy, and vice-versa). What most folks think of as "build-up" of mass at high velocity is really just a build up in momentum/energy (mass and energy are the same and you can store energy in momentum, what people think of as E=mc^2 is more properly E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2 + other energy terms, where p=momentum) and it is an artifact if you define mass of an object independent of velocity as simply as rest mass (e.g., ignore the pc term in energy). Also the so called conversion of mass-to-energy when an atom disassembles is mis-accounting of the binding energy of the atom. It is more correct to say mass-energy is conserved.

      As to "why" mass-energy is a conserved quantity, that is a deeper question to which physics has not yet full answer, but conservation is a consequence of Noether's theorem under the assumption that the laws of physics don't change over time (which may or may not be true).

      There is generally no difference between energy that is electromagnetic and energy that is motion. The only difference is that electromagnetic energy is accounted for in a field, and energy that is in motion is accounted for by inertia. However, fields have inertia and inertia can be abstracted into a field.

      You can turn motion energy into photon energy. Happens all the time simply with friction (turning into "heat"), although there are many other ways to do this...

      The value of 'c' is one of the "constants" of the physics we use to describe the universe. There's nothing "magical" about the number, it is simply a constant of our current model of physics. In fact many physicists use a unit system where that constant is simply equal to '1' to simplify the equations.

      The weird part is that it is also the speed of light in all reference frames. That is the "magic" about light and the structure of our universe, not the number 'c'... There are no known observations about the velocity of "light" or any other physical object that exceed this number. However, there have been some book-keeping particle (e.g., tachyons) that effectively have imaginary mass (technically space-like 4-momentum) and therefore cannot have a group velocity *slower* than 'c' (which doesn't mean the same thing as anything actually travelling faster than 'c').

      As to the number of "forces", physicist have currently think of 3 (strong, electro-weak, and gravitation). Physicist have classified 4, but back in 1979, Glashow, Salam, and Weinberg won the Nobel prize because they were able to show that the electromagnetic and the weak-force were actually the same force above energies of 250 GeV. The Electromagnetic and weak-force only appear to act differently at the lower energies of our post-big-bang epochs. Because of the electro-weak unification, many physicists think that there is probably only one fundamental force and what we see are different manifestations of that force. They are searching for the grand-unification theory that combines all of these forces, but nobody has been successful at that yet.

      As far as we know, attraction or repulsion requires different "charge" or "spin" or "color" quantities. Physicists have identified force carrying particles for the various fields and how they interact with these quantities. The electro-weak force is easier to identify the attraction/repulsion by bookkeeping the various charge, spin, hypercharge, or iso-spin, quantities. However, analogous attraction/repulsion due to the "color" strong force is currently unknown in this regard (because of confinement it doesn't appear really as a "distance" to attract or repel, but more of allowed state configuration). The gravitational force appears to mostly attractive at non-cosmological scales, but then again, we know so little about the universe (which currently needs some exotic dark energy to explain the current expansion rate) that it to

    21. Re: Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the same AC, but I always thought c was constant because of spaceTIME expansion. Lots of people forget the time part. If a photon is traveling across expanding space with static time, it would appear to slow down from our perspective. But if time is expanding at the same rate as space, you get constant c. At least inside our universe. An outside observer could tell the difference. Donmega.

    22. Re: Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever, why are you claiming that observation (I'm assuming you mean VISUAL observation) exceeds the speed of light and phrasing that as a question?

    23. Re:Questions by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Well done, thanks.

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  4. He's not wrong. by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 2

    Gravity exists in the real word, independent of any coordinate system and it behaves consistently. There's no reason why it shouldn't be able to be described as such; we just don't know what that description is.

    Saying that "oh noez Einstein ur on a wild goose chase!" is pretty darn silly.

    1. Re:He's not wrong. by fermion · · Score: 2

      Gravity tends to create it's own reference frame which can then be used to construct a coordinate system that can then be used to model the data analytically. All natural phenomena is independent of human constructed coordinate systems. It is true that classical physics is dependent on the reference frame, at least to some extent, but that is one of the many assumptions made.

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    2. Re:He's not wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nice try Ken, nobody wants to watch your dumb video.

    3. Re:He's not wrong. by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Gravity tends to create it's own reference frame which can then be used to construct a coordinate system that can then be used to model the data analytically. All natural phenomena is independent of human constructed coordinate systems. It is true that classical physics is dependent on the reference frame, at least to some extent, but that is one of the many assumptions made.

      Newtonian physics is also relative, how much changes between different frames of reference is just a lot less than in general reletivity.

    4. Re:He's not wrong. by burtosis · · Score: 1
    5. Re:He's not wrong. by tinkerton · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Classical physics does not depend on a reference frame as long as the limitspeed is infinite and until 1880 or so that was the assumption. I mean it was known that the lightspeed was finite but there was no reason to believe it was the limitspeed. You can turn newtonian mechanics into a covariant system for general coordinate systems but why would you do that? If you want to describe a merry go round , don't get all that overhead and use a shortcut.
      Then with special relativity you could again decide to do the same: support general coordinate systems, make it work for accelerated observers. You could still classify it as special relativity.

      It was Einstein who decided we couldn't avoid to formulate things in a covariant manner, and the example was that inside an elevator it was strictly impossible to distinguish between floating in space or plummetting towards the earth in free fall and and likewise there was no distinction between standing on the surface of the earth and being pulled in space.
      Therefore the math had to be the same too.

    6. Re:He's not wrong. by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Lorentz only considered inertial frames.

    7. Re:He's not wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He could have a million videos and he would still be a f-ing moron.

    8. Re:He's not wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gravity tends to create it's own reference frame which can then be used to construct a coordinate system that can then be used to model the data analytically. All natural phenomena is independent of human constructed coordinate systems. It is true that classical physics is dependent on the reference frame, at least to some extent, but that is one of the many assumptions made.

      If any reference frame is valid, then there is a chosen reference frame that is also valid.

    9. Re:He's not wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this Wheeler guy has figured out magnetism and gravity then where's his anti-gravity tech? Or any other single invention that would conflict with Einstein/general relativity? A SINGLE example would put this to rest. Put up or shut up. Post links to patents not youtube videos if you want people to believe you.

    10. Re:He's not wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this modded up? It's half gibberish.

    11. Re:He's not wrong. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Why is this modded up? It's half gibberish.

      And half is not gibberish? How can you tell?

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    12. Re:He's not wrong. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine Einstein attempting to get physicists the world over to accept his theory using this guys methods?

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    13. Re:He's not wrong. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      If this Wheeler guy has figured out magnetism and gravity then where's his anti-gravity tech? Or any other single invention that would conflict with Einstein/general relativity? A SINGLE example would put this to rest. Put up or shut up. Post links to patents not youtube videos if you want people to believe you.

      Hear hear! I want my flying car, dammit!

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    14. Re:He's not wrong. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Why is this modded up? It's half gibberish.

      And half is not gibberish? How can you tell?

      Use electricity, natch.

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    15. Re:He's not wrong. by burtosis · · Score: 1

      You just use a scalar to render any coordinate system choice or velocity differences irrelevant. For example, earths orbit around the sun is not affected by the orbit of the solar system around the galactic center, nor the galactic center traveling through space . If it was coordinate system dependent then physics would be a very different animal indeed.

    16. Re:He's not wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same reason trump got voted in. People like half-gibberish.

  5. Re:Stephen Hawking's last words by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    'Mormon' was the correct answer - South Park

  6. Re:Stephen Hawking's last words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard it was "my God it's full of stars!"

  7. Re:Stephen Hawking's last words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Christians, they were right!"

    Probably more like, "Damn, this sucks."

  8. Missing only one detail, but a big one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  9. Re: Stephen Hawking's last words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Youâ(TM)re all wrong; he didnâ(TM)t have last words, he couldnâ(TM)t talk.

  10. Re:FRAUD by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

    "he problem is you don't realize it until you can accurately calculate about 15 decimal places"

    Huh? You can calculate to any number of decimal places by hand. What's your point?

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  11. Re: Stephen Hawking's last words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Hey, how come I'm still in this chair."

  12. Re:FRAUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no idea if what the AC above wrote has any merit apart having the tools that can verify the maths accurately can make a huge difference. For instance, 22 / 7 is Pi to three significant figures but then it starts to diverge fairly seriously. If you time-travelled back a few thousand years and told a scientist that 22 / 7 really was Pi, it would have seemed right and have been verified with the (inaccurate by today's standard) tools/maths available. Which in turn would have caused a huge leap in all kinds of things and technology. But it might well have become entrenched as the truth and divergence with 22 / 7 might have been seen as some kind of phenomenon that was as yet unexplained just like dark matter/energy is today. Especially as doing maths by hand means you're not going to check everything to high precision every time unlike these days of allowing a computer to do the calculations.

    So the point is that being able to routinely calculate to a high number of decimal places can be important.

  13. Re:FRAUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Einstein is completely wrong. The problem is you don't realize it until you can accurately calculate about 15 decimal places.

    So Einstein was correct to about 14 decimal places. Doesn't actually sound too bad. Thanks for supporting Einstein.

    many of us are working hard on it in the math and experimentally.

    Us? You'll have to excuse me if I find this hard to believe... Actually I do believe people are working very hard on this. Not very effectively, but very hard yes.

  14. Re:FRAUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh, hi Ken. Thanks for sharing your videos with us. But why post here 3x as AC? Just come out and own it.

  15. Bearings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's okay to lose your bearings.

    As long as you still have your marbles.

  16. Was it a mistake? by tomhath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the monumental effort to reconcile general relativity with quantum theory flounders in part because of the difficulty of developing a theory of quantum gravity that has the same general covariance Einstein achieved with his field equations. “In some sense you could argue the reason we don’t have an adequate quantum theory of gravity is we don’t know how to express the solutions to Einstein’s equations in a way that completely removes any kind of coordinate dependence,” said Weatherall.

    It sounds like he recognized that there was something he couldn't explain, so he backed off a bit and looked for the explanation rather than charge forward and risk looking foolish.

    1. Re:Was it a mistake? by burtosis · · Score: 1

      I'm with you on this. It's not like he could just check Wikipedia (or even conduct an experiment on his own) to be sure.

    2. Re:Was it a mistake? by shoor · · Score: 2

      Einstein apparently consulted some 'pure' mathematicians for help with some of this. From the wikipedia article on David Hilbert:

      By early summer 1915, Hilbert's interest in physics had focused on general relativity, and he invited Einstein to GÃttingen to deliver a week of lectures on the subject.... Einstein learned that Hilbert was also working on the field equations and redoubled his own efforts. During November 1915 Einstein published several papers culminating in "The Field Equations of Gravitation" ...Nearly simultaneously David Hilbert published "The Foundations of Physics", an axiomatic derivation of the field equations ... Hilbert fully credited Einstein as the originator of the theory, and no public priority dispute concerning the field equations ever arose between the two men during their lives....

      Additionally, Hilbert's work anticipated and assisted several advances in the mathematical formulation of quantum mechanics....

      Throughout this immersion in physics, Hilbert worked on putting rigor into the mathematics of physics. While highly dependent on higher mathematics, physicists tended to be "sloppy" with it. To a "pure" mathematician like Hilbert, this was both "ugly" and difficult to understand. As he began to understand physics and how physicists were using mathematics, he developed a coherent mathematical theory for what he found,...
        Hilbert said "Physics is too hard for physicists", implying that the necessary mathematics was generally beyond them; the Courant-Hilbert book made it easier for them.

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  17. "lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist" by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    "lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist of all time"

    Don't do either of these, whoever writes about it.

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    1. Re:"lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist" by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      "lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist of all time"

      Don't do either of these, whoever writes about it.

      Why not? Maxwell arguably was one of the "greatests physicist of all time" and was quite lost and off the rails when he argued that it would be impossible for heavier than air objects like humans to ever fly.

    2. Re:"lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist" by tinkerton · · Score: 2

      I didn't know Maxwell ever said that but I know he was pretty damn smart and he knew about the montgolfiere, about catapults and about primitive rockets, so I'm thinking his quotes about flying will have been a bit more subtle than 'it's impossible for heavy things to fly'. There were no lightweight engines at the time that's for sure so technically it was not yet possible.

    3. Re:"lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist" by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Because it is disrespectful.

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    4. Re:"lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Birds are heavier than air - and they fly. This was known long before Maxwell.

    5. Re:"lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cant find any quotes by Maxwell, but Lord Kelvin was smart too and he said, " I can state flatly that heavier than air flying machines are impossible."

      He knew that birds were not heavier than air, yet said the above.

      William Thomson, another smart fellow, said "I have not the smallest molecule of faith in aerial navigation other than ballooning"

      Clearly he knew of flight, birds, balloons and still came to the same conclusion.

      Intelligence does not prove understanding.

    6. Re:"lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist" by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      That wasn't Kelvin's smartest moment. In general though with such quote there is too much eagerness to show them up as outright silly. Too much eagerness to fit a stereotype.
      Take Thomson, his quote is as follows:

      I am afraid I am not in the flight for âoeaerial navigationâ. I was greatly interested in your work with kites; but I have not the smallest molecule of faith in aerial navigation other than ballooning or of expectation of good results from any of the trials we hear of. So you will understand that I would not care to be a member of the aÃronautical Society.

      I think that means little more than that heavier than air flight was crackpot territory, no people he took seriously were working on it. It doesn't mean he objected to the idea.

  18. So what you're saying is. by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    That even on their best day bright, intelligent people can have a bad day? Maybe he didn't get laid or maybe he did and thought of a different angle. You'll never know the exact answer unless you were there so stop speculating.

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  19. clickbait title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Einstein did not "lose" general relativity, he just delayed publishing because he had doubts and was investigating them. The summary even says so on first paragraph.

  20. But got his bearings ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... back.

    WTF is this?

    Hawking passes and we get Slashdot Esquire magazine?

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    1. Re:But got his bearings ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't "pass", he died.

    2. Re:But got his bearings ... by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      He didn't "pass", he died.

      And saying he passed is another way to say that, Dumbass.

  21. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nerds!!!!

  22. Re:FRAUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be more clear. We need to have hyper control over a very large vacuum chamber and we need to measure an object falling via lasers and we need the accuracy of that measurement to be about 15 decimal places.

  23. Risked Missing Out On Fame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    To gain tremendous scientific integrity. It takes a truly great scientist to question his own theory and risk not "being the first". In the end though, this is better for the scientific community as a whole. Science is about asking questions, observation, and hypothesizing outcomes and it shouldn't stop just to "be the first". Just look at the ego centric origins of the theory of evolution and you will see a "me first" cock measuring contest (or finch measuring contest but I'm sure they are both birds and related). Hint you might find it wasn't Charles Darwin even though his name is stamped all over it.

    1. Re:Risked Missing Out On Fame by tinkerton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Such a bad example. Darwin delayed much longer than Einstein and it's doubtful whether anyone forced his hand at all.
      He was a brilliant thinker who deserves full credit. Wallace didn't come close in any way.

    2. Re:Risked Missing Out On Fame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such a bad example. Darwin delayed much longer than Einstein and it's doubtful whether anyone forced his hand at all.
      He was a brilliant thinker who deserves full credit. Wallace didn't come close in any way.

      Uhmmm....I will have to respectfully disagree with you on that. Darwin sat on his theory for a LOOOOONG time and he only published when he realized that Wallace was close to his own theory of natural selection and was going to publish. So Wallace forced his hand and they published the theory of natural selection together. Wallace was widely hailed in his own time as the co-discoverer of natural selection and still deserves that. At the worst, he should be viewed in the same vein as Edmond Halley of Halley's Comet fame. Halley efforts got Newton to publish his Principia. Wallace's actions got Darwin to co-publish the theory of Natural Selection.

    3. Re:Risked Missing Out On Fame by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      I know the story of Wallace and Darwin and I'm no expert but I simply think it's wrong and I can at least point out an alternative version of history, see here https://www.theguardian.com/sc...

  24. Re:FRAUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because I'm not Ken.

  25. Re:FRAUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not only is Ken Wheeler testably false, but the falsify-ability of the electric/magnetic universe theories created the need for relativity.

    If you think there's some physicist conspiracy to keep Einstein in that position, you're stupid wrong. When someone breaks Einstein with a repeatable, testable theory, they will unseat Einstein the same way Einstein unseated Newton.

  26. The evidence suggests not by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In this era of computers and CPU's and constant distraction, he wouldn't have managed to get to even first realization.

    ....and yet there are thousands of papers published by theorists each year which suggest that people still manage to come up with abstract new ideas in fundamental physics for us to test in our experiments. While it is true that none of these have been as significant as Einstein's papers that's not surprising: if papers this significant came up on a regular basis it would mean that we were doing a really bad job figuring out how the universe works. There were 200 years between Newton and Einstein and another hundred years later we are still only just seeing some of Einstein's predictions for the first time with gravitational waves being the latest discovery.

  27. ***Just a Showoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    some people use these fora for personal aggrandizement, much to their eternal shame.

  28. Re:FRAUD by meglon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and yet every experiment to verify Relativity has shown Einstein to have been correct, whether it was 4 years after, or 100 years after publishing. Your stupid fucking electric universe bullshit requires Relativity to be wrong, yet everything points to Einstein being right.

    Your pseudoscience cult is just fucking stupid.

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  29. Re:Questions Coupl'a youtube videos might help by shoor · · Score: 1

    There's a whole slew of videos explaining this stuff on youtube now, like these two (also look at Don Kennedy and Nick Lucid). I particularly like the photon box as an explanation of inertial mass.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSKzgpt4HBU

    and

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHRqibyNMpw

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  30. Re:Questions Coupl'a youtube videos might help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eww - videos. How about explaining it in writing?

  31. Re:FRAUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Gravity is magnetism". This is incorrect.

  32. Re: Stephen Hawking's last words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Puzzle: N_GGERS

    Question: people who annoy you.

    Randy marsh: i think I know it but I'm not sure I can say it.

    Host: times running out.

    Randy: ok I'd like to solve the puzzle....Nig....

    Host: ooooooo the answer we were looking for was "Naggers"

  33. Re:Questions Coupl'a youtube videos might help by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    Eww - videos. How about explaining it in writing?

    With a car analogy.

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  34. Re:FRAUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you figure things out correctly, the paradoxes and anomalies resolve.

    No they don't. Paradoxes and anomalies become resolved only with unquestioning belief.

  35. "In Retrospect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, everything is obvious in retrospect. When you are being spoon-fed the answers from the answer key.

    Einstein figured out something amazing about the universe. He received a Nobel Prize for it.

    Often these educational presentations are meant to be engaging and a bit provocative. It helps a lot if the Great Man can be shown to be human, making errors, and committing "bizarre mistakes". However this can get tedious when an over-enthusiastic education specialist winds up, even inadvertently, portraying their target as less smart, less wise than themselves and their audience. "Oh look, the Great Man was a bumbling idiot! He had the answer and then he dropped it in his soup."

    Everyone is a genius in retrospect. That's why such genius is instead called, "easy pickings" and not genius. You get no Nobel Prizes for retrospective genius.

    1. Re:"In Retrospect" by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      AC - are you kidding? There is plenty to show that Mr. Eistein was human. Study the man, you'll see he had trouble with very simple stuff and was ridiculed as a boy. Thank God he was, it is probably what made him the man he became.

  36. Re:FRAUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No! *I'm* not Ken.