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How Einstein Lost His Bearings, and With Them, General Relativity (quantamagazine.org)

Kevin Hartnett, writing for Quanta magazine: Albert Einstein released his general theory of relativity at the end of 1915. He should have finished it two years earlier. When scholars look at his notebooks from the period, they see the completed equations, minus just a detail or two. "That really should have been the final theory," said John Norton, an Einstein expert and a historian of science at the University of Pittsburgh. But Einstein made a critical last-second error that set him on an odyssey of doubt and discovery -- one that nearly cost him his greatest scientific achievement. The consequences of his decision continue to reverberate in math and physics today.

Here's the error. General relativity was meant to supplant Newtonian gravity. This meant it had to explain all the same physical phenomena Newton's equations could, plus other phenomena that Newton's equations couldn't. Yet in mid-1913, Einstein convinced himself, incorrectly, that his new theory couldn't account for scenarios where the force of gravity was weak -- scenarios that Newtonian gravity handled well. "In retrospect, this is just a bizarre mistake," said Norton. To correct this perceived flaw, Einstein thought he had to abandon what had been one of the central features of his emerging theory. Einstein's field equations -- the equations of general relativity -- describe how the shape of space-time evolves in response to the presence of matter and energy. To describe that evolution, you need to impose on space-time a coordinate system -- like lines of latitude and longitude -- that tells you which points are where.
Another interesting read on Quanta: Why Stephen Hawking's Black Hole Puzzle Keeps Puzzling.

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  1. Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In this era of computers and CPU's and constant distraction, he wouldn't have managed to get to even first realization. The Theory of Relativity was a triumph of abstract thought; this is something that doesn't really happen anymore.

    1. Re: Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Abstract thinking does still occur, just that modern computing smacks em down real quick as being invalid.

    2. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      This is a good point of discussion. Things aren't as black and white as you imply, of course, but distractions are way up these days.

      I came up with my theory because of an unusual job situation -- caring for first one and later a second Alzheimer's person, on very long shifts, the second one at night -- one in the country, the second where I wasn't able to have the lights on.

      I listened to a physics series on audio player almost every waking minute for a year and a half.

      So it can be done, but circumstances will need to play a big part.

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    3. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      What the hell are you talking abou

    4. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Abstract thought" still occurs. It's just that you best keep your mouth shut or wind up being labeled a crackpot.

    5. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Einstein didn't come up with it, someone else would have in the next 5 years. He wasn't working in a vacuum. The idea that matter and energy are interchangeable some way was already well on it's way by Poincaré and others before Einstein. Lorentz already described time dilation and the Lorentz transformations is pretty much the basis of special relativity.

      Look at Hawking and the state of the art now in theoretical physics. You have many people that are/were probably on the same level as Einstein was, it's just getting more and more complicated to come up with new shiny groundbreaking theories.

      If anything, research will more faster, because there are more ways to communicate.

    6. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by HP+Hovercraft · · Score: 2

      This is why I've been contemplating switching to a feature phone and having only 1 personal computer. Maybe even get rid of a phone altogether. The problem is the rest of the world operates in the internet/smartphone paradigm, so I would be handicapping myself. But the distractions abound and continue to grow. There is no respite. Since we are all addicted to our devices, we are all equal slaves, so it doesn't really improve our lives since we are all "advancing" at the same rate.

    7. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by slew · · Score: 2

      If Einstein didn't come up with it, someone else would have in the next 5 years. He wasn't working in a vacuum.

      Actually there is considerable evidence that Hilbert was basically working on general relativity at the same time as Einstein and submitted an article for publication 5 *days* before Einstein's publication (although Hilbert needed to work out a few changes with the publisher in his result and his formulation wasn't published until 3 months later). There is an on-going dispute on who actually got the math right first for the correct field equations, although most agree that the foundational ideas/inspiration about Relativity were from Einstein...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    8. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      In fact I believe that what drive theoretical physics is not the genius of a few scientists but precision and observation.
      A few centuries ago, there is no way we could have observed the effects of relativity, measurements weren't precise enough, and we had too many unknowns. If Newtonian physics give the right answer within the margins of error of the time, then there is no reason for another, more complex theory to exist.
      In order for science to advance, we first need data to disprove the theory of the time with reasonable certainty, and then, we can search for a better model. Usually, the new model comes relatively soon after the observation.

      In fact, that's the problem we have now with the string theory. It explains everything, but we don't have enough data to refine it and test hypothesis.

    9. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Actually there is considerable evidence that Hilbert was basically working on general relativity at the same time as Einstein and submitted an article for publication 5 *days* before Einstein's publication (although Hilbert needed to work out a few changes with the publisher in his result and his formulation wasn't published until 3 months later). There is an on-going dispute on who actually got the math right first for the correct field equations, although most agree that the foundational ideas/inspiration about Relativity were from Einstein...

      That dispute was not started by Hilbert. Despite his concurrent work, Hilbert credited Einstein with the discovery of General Relativity.

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    10. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by AlejandroTejadaC · · Score: 1

      Really interesting! Later, today, I will take time to read it thoroughly. Thanks for posting about this.

    11. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by DrJimbo · · Score: 2

      I looked at some of the pages on your site trying to find an example of an actual prediction of spring-and-loop theory, not just a bunch of hand waving. For a theory that you claim solves so very many problems while the existing theories are trash, it shouldn't be so hard to come up with one explanation.

      So please, point me to an example of how to use SAL to make a numerical prediction. Since you claim to have a better replace for pretty much all of the existing mainstream physics theories there should be a plethora of worked examples that make numerical predictions. The deflection of light by the sun, the perihelion precession of Mercury, the radius of a hydrogen atom, its energy levels, the fine structure constant. The list is almost endless.

      Your saying that most of the existing theories are trash even though they make amazingly accurate predictions about many aspects of the natural world around us makes it appear you are a crackpot. The apparent lack of any numerical results from your new theory that replaces them seems to seal the deal. I think it would be really really cool if you have come up with a better theory. If you can show me a worked example then I will convince mainstream physicists whom I have worked with that they should stop working on string theory and the standard model and general relativity and instead follow your lead. It would be by far the biggest shake up of physics in history. You will almost certainly win a Nobel Prize.

      But until I see a worked example, you seem to be just another crackpot who is muddying the waters in order to garner undeserved attention.

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    12. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      It is not the first step of a theory but a last step to provide specific numerical results. What has been accomplished so far is not too shabby, considering it has been done with zero budget. Please compare $0.00 with the $5,000,000,000/year waste that is the LHC.

      Also note that many of the predictions made by Spring-And-Loop Theory do not need to be numeric to be significant. That is the whole point of a new model. You are like a buggy whip maker demanding I show you a new and improved buggy whip.

      For example, Albert Einstein won his Nobel for the photoelectric effect, despite that being nothing but a theory; a mere speculationj -- an "I wonder that was unsubstantiated for the next 9 years.

      ...then I will convince mainstream physicists whom I have worked with that they should stop working on string theory and the standard model and general relativity and instead follow your lead...

      Anyone who would put forward string theory as something of value evokes my empathy. And so, out of kindness, I continue.

      As to the "standard" "model", Wikipedia's List of (hundreds of) unsolved problems in physics puts the lie to anyone saying it is valid, sound or useful.

      Views like yours are the real problem -- bought and paid for "scientists" with zero incentive to support anything that actually works.

      I get it. I just can't go down that corruption route. Primarily because it is the least interesting path.

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    13. Re:Einstein wouldn't happen today by DrJimbo · · Score: 1

      Views like yours are the real problem -- bought and paid for "scientists" with zero incentive to support anything that actually works.

      Bullshit. I am not bought and paid for. I never was. All you seem to do is insult those around you without providing any evidence at all that your theory has any value.

      My view is I want to support you but you need to provide me with some evidence that your theory has value. If you want to replace the standard model and general relativity and so much more, that's fine but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But I'm not asking for extraordinary evidence, I'm asking for a shred of evidence. Instead of pointing me to that shred, you insult me for offering to help promote your theories.

      As for the lists of unsolved problems, it does not make the standard model useless or invalid or unsound. The standard model has made many predictions that later came true. This is the true test of a theory. That is basically what I'm asking you to show with your theory. Show me how to use it to make predictions. If it can't do that then it is not even wrong. It is not even physics.

      Didn't you say you've already solved a bunch of the unsolved problems? If so then show me one of the solutions. If you want to replace theories that make, sometimes fantastically accurate, predictions then your new theory has to be able to make the same or better predictions, otherwise we need to keep the current theories.

      Even if your new theories can't make predictions, I still honestly want to understand them. I spent time on your web site and I couldn't find anything except very vague arm waving. I got tired of wading through the arm waving so I asked you to point me in the direction of the good stuff so I could understand what you are talking about. Despite your tirades and insults, I still want to understand what you are talking about, if that is possible.

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  2. Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What actually happens when matter turns to energy and back?
    What's the difference between energy that is electromagnetic and energy that is motion?
    Why the difference?
    Can you turn motion energy into photon energy?
    Why not?
    Where does the value of C come from?
    Why is there a limit at all?
    Why is that limit exceeded by observation?
    How come there are so many forces?
    Why is gravity only an attraction force and others not?
    What is time?
    Why does inertia and momentum require time?
    Why don't things happen instantaneuosly?
    What if they do? How would we perceive that?
    What would motion look like in a world where everything happens instantaneously?
    What would that be perceived as to beings whose brains are built on the motion of electons?

    I'm curious, perhaps someone can explain.

    1. Re: Questions by guruevi · · Score: 1, Informative

      Read Einstein's books, they aren't copyrighted anymore and have all those answers.

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    2. Re: Questions by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      The words are a distraction. Just stare at the equations.

    3. Re: Questions by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      We know the answer to all those questions. You do too.

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    4. Re: Questions by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Simplify the TL;DR.

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    5. Re: Questions by Falconhell · · Score: 3, Funny

      Its hard to explain after Harrods was destroyed by the Vogons.

    6. Re:Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What actually happens when matter turns to energy and back?

      It has never been observed to completion, only buildup of mass on high-speed particles and significant energy release on disassembly of atoms.

      What's the difference between energy that is electromagnetic and energy that is motion?

      How it interacts with other energies.

      Why the difference?

      They are essentially different, but also somewhat similar. That's why you are having trouble disconnecting the similarity in names from the difference in meaning.

      Can you turn motion energy into photon energy?

      There are many means of conversion.

      Why not?

      False.

      Where does the value of C come from?

      Observation and calculation.

      Why is there a limit at all?

      We suspect there is a limit because Maxwell's Equations have an asymptote at that value. We accept that there is a limit because high energy testing shows the predicted behavior.

      Why is that limit exceeded by observation?

      It hasn't been.

      How come there are so many forces?

      There are 4.

      Why is gravity only an attraction force and others not?

      Gravity and the strong nuclear force are attraction, the weak nuclear force is repulsion. Magnetism is directionally attraction.

      What is time?

      A direction.

      Why does inertia and momentum require time?

      By definition.

      Why don't things happen instantaneuosly?

      Things do, and trends don't.

      What if they do? How would we perceive that?

      You wouldn't. At best, your perception is functional on the order of 10^42 hypothetical distinct moments per AC observation.

      What would motion look like in a world where everything happens instantaneously?

      Have you been to a rave with a strobe light? Start from there.

    7. Re: Questions by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Mental masturbation is so unsatisfying.

    8. Re: Questions by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Can you turn motion energy into photon energy?

      Can you plug a fucking lightbulb into a generator? No; can you?? Apparently, that's up for debate...

    9. Re: Questions by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      i.e. its just a fixup of neutonian equations to correct for mass

      I thought that the Neutonians are a hostile species from the Vorxon VII star system, who are not known for their math skills.

    10. Re:Questions by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Why is that limit exceeded by observation?

      What?

      Why is gravity only an attraction force and others not?

      Because it's not a force.

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    11. Re: Questions by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Hey, is this the Electric Universe guy? Is he trying to use the Socratic method or something to help us realize that Relativity Is Wrong?

      Well, sure it is. Newton is wrong too. There is no gravity. The universe sucks. Electrically. Just got to plug it in somewhere.

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    12. Re:Questions by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Ditto. And the fun bit at the end when the AC got a little snarky...

      "
      Why don't things happen instantaneuosly? [sic]
      Things do, and trends don't.

      What if they do? How would we perceive that?
      You wouldn't. At best, your perception is functional on the order of 10^42 hypothetical distinct moments per AC observation.
      "

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    13. Re:Questions by slew · · Score: 1

      Mass and energy are basically the same thing when it comes to inertia/acceleration/gravity. You measure "mass-energy" and the quantity is conserved (mass doesn't disappear, it converts to energy, and vice-versa). What most folks think of as "build-up" of mass at high velocity is really just a build up in momentum/energy (mass and energy are the same and you can store energy in momentum, what people think of as E=mc^2 is more properly E^2 = (mc^2)^2 + (pc)^2 + other energy terms, where p=momentum) and it is an artifact if you define mass of an object independent of velocity as simply as rest mass (e.g., ignore the pc term in energy). Also the so called conversion of mass-to-energy when an atom disassembles is mis-accounting of the binding energy of the atom. It is more correct to say mass-energy is conserved.

      As to "why" mass-energy is a conserved quantity, that is a deeper question to which physics has not yet full answer, but conservation is a consequence of Noether's theorem under the assumption that the laws of physics don't change over time (which may or may not be true).

      There is generally no difference between energy that is electromagnetic and energy that is motion. The only difference is that electromagnetic energy is accounted for in a field, and energy that is in motion is accounted for by inertia. However, fields have inertia and inertia can be abstracted into a field.

      You can turn motion energy into photon energy. Happens all the time simply with friction (turning into "heat"), although there are many other ways to do this...

      The value of 'c' is one of the "constants" of the physics we use to describe the universe. There's nothing "magical" about the number, it is simply a constant of our current model of physics. In fact many physicists use a unit system where that constant is simply equal to '1' to simplify the equations.

      The weird part is that it is also the speed of light in all reference frames. That is the "magic" about light and the structure of our universe, not the number 'c'... There are no known observations about the velocity of "light" or any other physical object that exceed this number. However, there have been some book-keeping particle (e.g., tachyons) that effectively have imaginary mass (technically space-like 4-momentum) and therefore cannot have a group velocity *slower* than 'c' (which doesn't mean the same thing as anything actually travelling faster than 'c').

      As to the number of "forces", physicist have currently think of 3 (strong, electro-weak, and gravitation). Physicist have classified 4, but back in 1979, Glashow, Salam, and Weinberg won the Nobel prize because they were able to show that the electromagnetic and the weak-force were actually the same force above energies of 250 GeV. The Electromagnetic and weak-force only appear to act differently at the lower energies of our post-big-bang epochs. Because of the electro-weak unification, many physicists think that there is probably only one fundamental force and what we see are different manifestations of that force. They are searching for the grand-unification theory that combines all of these forces, but nobody has been successful at that yet.

      As far as we know, attraction or repulsion requires different "charge" or "spin" or "color" quantities. Physicists have identified force carrying particles for the various fields and how they interact with these quantities. The electro-weak force is easier to identify the attraction/repulsion by bookkeeping the various charge, spin, hypercharge, or iso-spin, quantities. However, analogous attraction/repulsion due to the "color" strong force is currently unknown in this regard (because of confinement it doesn't appear really as a "distance" to attract or repel, but more of allowed state configuration). The gravitational force appears to mostly attractive at non-cosmological scales, but then again, we know so little about the universe (which currently needs some exotic dark energy to explain the current expansion rate) that it to

    14. Re:Questions by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Well done, thanks.

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  3. He's not wrong. by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 2

    Gravity exists in the real word, independent of any coordinate system and it behaves consistently. There's no reason why it shouldn't be able to be described as such; we just don't know what that description is.

    Saying that "oh noez Einstein ur on a wild goose chase!" is pretty darn silly.

    1. Re:He's not wrong. by fermion · · Score: 2

      Gravity tends to create it's own reference frame which can then be used to construct a coordinate system that can then be used to model the data analytically. All natural phenomena is independent of human constructed coordinate systems. It is true that classical physics is dependent on the reference frame, at least to some extent, but that is one of the many assumptions made.

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    2. Re:He's not wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nice try Ken, nobody wants to watch your dumb video.

    3. Re:He's not wrong. by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Gravity tends to create it's own reference frame which can then be used to construct a coordinate system that can then be used to model the data analytically. All natural phenomena is independent of human constructed coordinate systems. It is true that classical physics is dependent on the reference frame, at least to some extent, but that is one of the many assumptions made.

      Newtonian physics is also relative, how much changes between different frames of reference is just a lot less than in general reletivity.

    4. Re:He's not wrong. by burtosis · · Score: 1
    5. Re:He's not wrong. by tinkerton · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Classical physics does not depend on a reference frame as long as the limitspeed is infinite and until 1880 or so that was the assumption. I mean it was known that the lightspeed was finite but there was no reason to believe it was the limitspeed. You can turn newtonian mechanics into a covariant system for general coordinate systems but why would you do that? If you want to describe a merry go round , don't get all that overhead and use a shortcut.
      Then with special relativity you could again decide to do the same: support general coordinate systems, make it work for accelerated observers. You could still classify it as special relativity.

      It was Einstein who decided we couldn't avoid to formulate things in a covariant manner, and the example was that inside an elevator it was strictly impossible to distinguish between floating in space or plummetting towards the earth in free fall and and likewise there was no distinction between standing on the surface of the earth and being pulled in space.
      Therefore the math had to be the same too.

    6. Re:He's not wrong. by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Lorentz only considered inertial frames.

    7. Re:He's not wrong. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Why is this modded up? It's half gibberish.

      And half is not gibberish? How can you tell?

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    8. Re:He's not wrong. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine Einstein attempting to get physicists the world over to accept his theory using this guys methods?

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    9. Re:He's not wrong. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      If this Wheeler guy has figured out magnetism and gravity then where's his anti-gravity tech? Or any other single invention that would conflict with Einstein/general relativity? A SINGLE example would put this to rest. Put up or shut up. Post links to patents not youtube videos if you want people to believe you.

      Hear hear! I want my flying car, dammit!

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    10. Re:He's not wrong. by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Why is this modded up? It's half gibberish.

      And half is not gibberish? How can you tell?

      Use electricity, natch.

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    11. Re:He's not wrong. by burtosis · · Score: 1

      You just use a scalar to render any coordinate system choice or velocity differences irrelevant. For example, earths orbit around the sun is not affected by the orbit of the solar system around the galactic center, nor the galactic center traveling through space . If it was coordinate system dependent then physics would be a very different animal indeed.

  4. Re:Stephen Hawking's last words by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    'Mormon' was the correct answer - South Park

  5. Re:FRAUD by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

    "he problem is you don't realize it until you can accurately calculate about 15 decimal places"

    Huh? You can calculate to any number of decimal places by hand. What's your point?

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  6. Re:FRAUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh, hi Ken. Thanks for sharing your videos with us. But why post here 3x as AC? Just come out and own it.

  7. Was it a mistake? by tomhath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the monumental effort to reconcile general relativity with quantum theory flounders in part because of the difficulty of developing a theory of quantum gravity that has the same general covariance Einstein achieved with his field equations. “In some sense you could argue the reason we don’t have an adequate quantum theory of gravity is we don’t know how to express the solutions to Einstein’s equations in a way that completely removes any kind of coordinate dependence,” said Weatherall.

    It sounds like he recognized that there was something he couldn't explain, so he backed off a bit and looked for the explanation rather than charge forward and risk looking foolish.

    1. Re:Was it a mistake? by burtosis · · Score: 1

      I'm with you on this. It's not like he could just check Wikipedia (or even conduct an experiment on his own) to be sure.

    2. Re:Was it a mistake? by shoor · · Score: 2

      Einstein apparently consulted some 'pure' mathematicians for help with some of this. From the wikipedia article on David Hilbert:

      By early summer 1915, Hilbert's interest in physics had focused on general relativity, and he invited Einstein to GÃttingen to deliver a week of lectures on the subject.... Einstein learned that Hilbert was also working on the field equations and redoubled his own efforts. During November 1915 Einstein published several papers culminating in "The Field Equations of Gravitation" ...Nearly simultaneously David Hilbert published "The Foundations of Physics", an axiomatic derivation of the field equations ... Hilbert fully credited Einstein as the originator of the theory, and no public priority dispute concerning the field equations ever arose between the two men during their lives....

      Additionally, Hilbert's work anticipated and assisted several advances in the mathematical formulation of quantum mechanics....

      Throughout this immersion in physics, Hilbert worked on putting rigor into the mathematics of physics. While highly dependent on higher mathematics, physicists tended to be "sloppy" with it. To a "pure" mathematician like Hilbert, this was both "ugly" and difficult to understand. As he began to understand physics and how physicists were using mathematics, he developed a coherent mathematical theory for what he found,...
        Hilbert said "Physics is too hard for physicists", implying that the necessary mathematics was generally beyond them; the Courant-Hilbert book made it easier for them.

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  8. "lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist" by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    "lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist of all time"

    Don't do either of these, whoever writes about it.

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    1. Re:"lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist" by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      "lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist of all time"

      Don't do either of these, whoever writes about it.

      Why not? Maxwell arguably was one of the "greatests physicist of all time" and was quite lost and off the rails when he argued that it would be impossible for heavier than air objects like humans to ever fly.

    2. Re:"lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist" by tinkerton · · Score: 2

      I didn't know Maxwell ever said that but I know he was pretty damn smart and he knew about the montgolfiere, about catapults and about primitive rockets, so I'm thinking his quotes about flying will have been a bit more subtle than 'it's impossible for heavy things to fly'. There were no lightweight engines at the time that's for sure so technically it was not yet possible.

    3. Re:"lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist" by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Because it is disrespectful.

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    4. Re:"lost his bearings" and "greatest physicist" by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      That wasn't Kelvin's smartest moment. In general though with such quote there is too much eagerness to show them up as outright silly. Too much eagerness to fit a stereotype.
      Take Thomson, his quote is as follows:

      I am afraid I am not in the flight for âoeaerial navigationâ. I was greatly interested in your work with kites; but I have not the smallest molecule of faith in aerial navigation other than ballooning or of expectation of good results from any of the trials we hear of. So you will understand that I would not care to be a member of the aÃronautical Society.

      I think that means little more than that heavier than air flight was crackpot territory, no people he took seriously were working on it. It doesn't mean he objected to the idea.

  9. So what you're saying is. by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    That even on their best day bright, intelligent people can have a bad day? Maybe he didn't get laid or maybe he did and thought of a different angle. You'll never know the exact answer unless you were there so stop speculating.

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  10. clickbait title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Einstein did not "lose" general relativity, he just delayed publishing because he had doubts and was investigating them. The summary even says so on first paragraph.

  11. But got his bearings ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... back.

    WTF is this?

    Hawking passes and we get Slashdot Esquire magazine?

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    1. Re:But got his bearings ... by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      He didn't "pass", he died.

      And saying he passed is another way to say that, Dumbass.

  12. Re:FRAUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not only is Ken Wheeler testably false, but the falsify-ability of the electric/magnetic universe theories created the need for relativity.

    If you think there's some physicist conspiracy to keep Einstein in that position, you're stupid wrong. When someone breaks Einstein with a repeatable, testable theory, they will unseat Einstein the same way Einstein unseated Newton.

  13. The evidence suggests not by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In this era of computers and CPU's and constant distraction, he wouldn't have managed to get to even first realization.

    ....and yet there are thousands of papers published by theorists each year which suggest that people still manage to come up with abstract new ideas in fundamental physics for us to test in our experiments. While it is true that none of these have been as significant as Einstein's papers that's not surprising: if papers this significant came up on a regular basis it would mean that we were doing a really bad job figuring out how the universe works. There were 200 years between Newton and Einstein and another hundred years later we are still only just seeing some of Einstein's predictions for the first time with gravitational waves being the latest discovery.

  14. Re:Risked Missing Out On Fame by tinkerton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Such a bad example. Darwin delayed much longer than Einstein and it's doubtful whether anyone forced his hand at all.
    He was a brilliant thinker who deserves full credit. Wallace didn't come close in any way.

  15. Re:FRAUD by meglon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and yet every experiment to verify Relativity has shown Einstein to have been correct, whether it was 4 years after, or 100 years after publishing. Your stupid fucking electric universe bullshit requires Relativity to be wrong, yet everything points to Einstein being right.

    Your pseudoscience cult is just fucking stupid.

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  16. Re:Questions Coupl'a youtube videos might help by shoor · · Score: 1

    There's a whole slew of videos explaining this stuff on youtube now, like these two (also look at Don Kennedy and Nick Lucid). I particularly like the photon box as an explanation of inertial mass.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSKzgpt4HBU

    and

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHRqibyNMpw

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  17. Re:Risked Missing Out On Fame by tinkerton · · Score: 1

    I know the story of Wallace and Darwin and I'm no expert but I simply think it's wrong and I can at least point out an alternative version of history, see here https://www.theguardian.com/sc...

  18. Re:Questions Coupl'a youtube videos might help by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    Eww - videos. How about explaining it in writing?

    With a car analogy.

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  19. Re:"In Retrospect" by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    AC - are you kidding? There is plenty to show that Mr. Eistein was human. Study the man, you'll see he had trouble with very simple stuff and was ridiculed as a boy. Thank God he was, it is probably what made him the man he became.