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Facebook Security Chief Said To Leave After Clashes Over Disinformation (theverge.com)

Facebook's chief information security officer, Alex Stamos, will leave the company after internal disagreements over how the social network should deal with its role in spreading disinformation. The New York Times reports (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source): Mr. Stamos had been a strong advocate inside the company for investigating and disclosing Russian activity on Facebook, often to the consternation of other top executives, including Sheryl Sandberg, the social network's chief operating officer, according to the current and former employees, who asked not to be identified discussing internal matters. After his day-to-day responsibilities were reassigned to others in December, Mr. Stamos said he would leave the company. He was persuaded to stay through August to oversee the transition of his duties because executives thought his departure would look bad, the current and former employees said. He has been overseeing the transfer of his security team to Facebook's product and infrastructure divisions. His group, which once had 120 people, now has three, the current and former employees said. Mr. Stamos would be the first high-ranking employee to leave Facebook since controversy erupted over disinformation on its site. His departure is a sign of heightened leadership tensions at the company.

45 comments

  1. If only.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Msmash and Beauhd would follow his lead.

  2. Troubles at the Top by brindafella · · Score: 3, Insightful
    > Facebook's chief information security officer, Alex Stamos, will leave the company after internal disagreements over how the social network should deal with its role in spreading disinformation.

    Let's hope that Facebook can weather the storm of seeming growth-spurt induced moral troubles; Russian meddling, data mining, etc.

    The moral compass like a magnetic compass has to be checked for angular deviation, due to the near presence of great attractors nearby.

    Similarly, the lines of the Earth's magnetism are misalligned with true north; an underlying social/societal moral misallignment may have a similar effect on an organisation.

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    Looking at space, radio, science and computing from a 'down-under' amateur enthusiast perspective.
    1. Re:Troubles at the Top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Let's hope that Facebook can weather the storm

      Why, we can live without it.

  3. Let's be honest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Facebook is a blight on modern society. It offers far little than it gives, even if it were a paid service. The tracking, privacy nightmare aspect of it is too real. It's almost as bad as Google.

    I've been in IT for 20 years and I have zero social media accounts, partly due to the privacy aspects, partly due to not needing approval of others to feel good about myself. While Facebook, et al do have a modicum of merit, that merit is far outweighed by the negatives.

    1. Re:Let's be honest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've been in IT for 20 years and I have zero social media accounts ... Facebook ...offers far little (sic) than it gives, even if it were a paid service.

      Let's be honest: You are as qualified to talk about what FB offers its users as a virgin nun is to give sex education classes.

    2. Re:Let's be honest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been in IT for 20 years and I have zero social media accounts ... Facebook ...offers far little (sic) than it gives, even if it were a paid service.

      Let's be honest: You are as qualified to talk about what FB offers its users as a virgin nun is to give sex education classes.

      We now have a society filled with attention whores and professional narcissists. Please feel free to elaborate as to the fucking value add of Facebook and the rest of the mind suck that is social media. I can assure you the positives don't outweigh the negatives. Not even fucking close.

    3. Re:Let's be honest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Quite the opposite, actually. As a IT security guy, it's my business to run tests such as phoning home, cross-site tracking, JS exploits, etc. Facebook is among the worst in this regard, with ad networks being chief among the perps. All of them are tracking the living daylights out of everyone. One of the most eye-opening things I've done in recent times is install a Raspberry Pi running Pi-hole, which is a bit of software that blocks ads, beacons, trackers, etc. at the DNS level. There is a real-time DNS log that is truly eye opening. It's amazing who and what phones home on a somewhat sickening basis. The Pi-hole allows one to block this dreck as one sees fit, and I block it all.

    4. Re:Let's be honest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do not ask drug addict if drugs are good, I think that IT guy is the only qualified guy to talk about Facebook.

    5. Re:Let's be honest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually that is exactly who you should ask about if drugs are good.
      They will give you a good reflection of why they did/do drugs, why their friends did/do drugs and how to avoid falling down that rabbit hole.
      From asking the drug users themselves they can give you an realistic idea of which drugs are actually addicting vs which ones are not but seem to be due to propaganda.
      If you find out someone close is doing a drug, the best thing you can do is ask someone who is experienced with drugs and ask them if they actually need a rehab or it's enough to just have a thorough talk with them.

    6. Re:Let's be honest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't use it, you're not really in a position to be commenting on the value it may or may not offer.

    7. Re: Let's be honest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you might be a little fuzzy on what Sex Ed. classes actually cover. As far as I am aware, most nuns, virgin or otherwise, are capable of reading a biology textbook. And I'll lay good odds that those nuns have firsthand knowledge of dealing with their uterine system purging itself once a month (which must be scary as all hell to girls who never have Sex Ed. or an older female peer who can explain).

      But, no, Sex Ed. is not for teaching you how to be good at sex.

    8. Re:Let's be honest... by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      We did we ever have a society not filled with attention whores and professional narcissists?

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    9. Re:Let's be honest... by Stolovaya · · Score: 1

      Staying in touch with people that are long-distance, sharing photos and videos with those people, setting up events...yes, that can all be done through other sites or services, but FB acts like a hub where you can do all of those.

    10. Re: Let's be honest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These comments are a form of social media. A lot of the same problems apply here too. I think thatâ(TM)s whatâ(TM)s so interesting. You can check out of social media platforms, but unless you consume no media and have no human contact, youâ(TM)ll still be affected by censorship, privacy and disinformation.
      After all, maybe Iâ(TM)m a state actor posting this comment to move the argument in particular direction.

  4. Re: "Russian activity on Facebook" by StandardCell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Facebook has sold everyone down the river. Republicans, Democrats, you name it, it all goes down to the highest bidder as to who gets the information about the opposition. Meanwhile, they promote stories that get people pissed off and riled up from all sides so that they comment, load pages, check for updates and (surprise!) that enhanced engagement sell more ads and promoted pages/groups/whatever. They don't give a damn about anyone's privacy as long as it can be exchanged for money. This is controlled opposition, and they want us to be the pawns in that game.

  5. Users using social media by AHuxley · · Score: 0

    Spreading links and news that interests the users and their friends is now seen as "disinformation" by a social media brand?

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    1. Re:Users using social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the links are fake news created and targetted as part of a foreign sponsored propaganda campaign, then erm, yes.

      Why would you think otherwise unless you agree with the goal of the disinformation campaign and want to try and justify it?

    2. Re:Users using social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fake news: Any news that disagrees with your political party of choice.

      Oh, and unless you want to limit Facebook to the US, every campaign is foreign sponsored for some people. E.g. for Facebook users in Europe, every American campaign is foreign sponsored. Including Facebook itself.

    3. Re:Users using social media by lgw · · Score: 1

      If the links are fake news created and targetted as part of a foreign sponsored propaganda campaign, then erm, yes.

      Why would you think otherwise unless you agree with the goal of the disinformation campaign and want to try and justify it?

      Damn right. We only want fake news created and targeted as part of an American-sponsored propaganda campaign round these parts. None of that foreign trash. Merica!

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    4. Re:Users using social media by Rakarra · · Score: 0

      Fake news: Any news that disagrees with your political party of choice.

      No, you can objectively say whether something is correct or not.

    5. Re:Users using social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    6. Re:Users using social media by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      So only the US political party supporting social medial leadership has the skills to define a disinformation campaign?
      The users have no freedom of speech to talk about and share topics they find interesting?
      Approved news and links will all be pushed down from the social media brand? With their own side of US politics as a filter?

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  6. Re: "Russian activity on Facebook" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nobody is forced to use Facebook. And privacy concerns need to take into consideration that people voluntarily use the service and voluntarily post their illustrated life stories. It's called social media not confidentiality media. Some of the corrective actions Facebook is being asked to provide comes very close to meeting the definition of censorship. Maybe Facebook should pay a visit to China and see what an effective censoring system looks like.

    Even if all your complaints are 100% true you still have a choice to walk away. Enough people walk away the more Facebook or any other similar company would be forced to make changes or fold.

    It is a sad state of affairs when the general public is incapable of applying self-censorship. Of course this has created demands for a corporations or even better the government to do the censoring for them.

    Personally I really don't give a shit one way or another since I have never used Facebook.

  7. Re: "Russian activity on Facebook" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "dumb fucks"
      -Mark Zuckerberg

  8. the joy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of being the sacrificial lamb -

    1. Re:the joy by sit1963nz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and if is ever forced to testify to any government enquiry "He is a bitter ex employee whose view points are biased and no longer reflect the company after sweeping changes made since his dismissal."

    2. Re:the joy by coastwalker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It appears that he was taking political manipulation by a hostile foriegn power seriously for which he got the sack and his function burried in "marketing". Zuckerbergs business is obviously being sold to all comers as a method of influencing voters by feeding them selective information. If this information includes fake news then this needs to be stopped. Facebook have obviously done their best to hide their activities over the last few months, they of course would do that. Whispering lies into people's ears is not the same as putting forward your pitch in public but it must be very profitable.

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      Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
    3. Re:the joy by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      By allowing foreign agents to advertise, post or create fake news about election related material Facebook has broken the laws about foreign interference in elections.

      They should be prosecuted, maybe if Zuckerberg spent a month in jail he'd decide to take it seriously and stop it.

  9. So no more CSO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What could possibly go wrong.

  10. Re: "Russian activity on Facebook" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    highest bidder? you mean it's not wholesale?

  11. At least someone has some integrity at Facebook by atrimtab · · Score: 2

    Particularly given, that if you were in charge of security that you could easily compartmentlize any moral quams about how the entire system works as "not my job."

    Good for him!

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    Facebook is billions of individual "Skinner Boxes." And if you use it you are the pigeon!
  12. Re: At least someone has some integrity at Faceboo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the most part it really isnt. And you now see why.

  13. Re: "Russian activity on Facebook" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck off, Ivan.

  14. Alterslash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worry about Alterslash. Years of alt-right postings appear to have had an effect, and some of the less lucid crayonpushers are regularly appearing as definitive posters rather than just as symptoms of Russian and Macedonian troll factories and Koch-funded media. I'm genuinely sad.

  15. "disinformation" means "truth" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other words, "disinformation" means "anything our rulers don't want us to know about". The average adult should be able to work out what is true and what isn't, if they are presented with BOTH sides of the argument. Unfortunately, for the past 50 years we have only heard one side of the argument, relentlessly, from the controlled media and from our employers... political correctness, Left wing politics, etc.

  16. Re: "Russian activity on Facebook" by ne7minder · · Score: 1

    but our techbros will tell us tat the market will correct this - all hail the unfettered market!

  17. Re: "Russian activity on Facebook" by lgw · · Score: 2

    The market is working fine, the problem is we're the product. Facebook and Google compete with each other to sell us down the river, and I'm sure that keeps the pricing competitive.

    Sadly, most people are content to be product. Government hasn't fixed this, but people aren't asking them to, and it's not obvious how to fix anything here (it's not like subscription-based social media would fly).

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    Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
  18. Mr. Stamos appears to suffer ... by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... from a debilitating case of ethical principles. He should seek treatment at the closest available MBA program.

  19. Re: "Russian activity on Facebook" by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    Facebook stock is in a nosedive. Your techbros appear to be correct again. You should keep paying attention to them.

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    Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
    Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
  20. Human canary strikes again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stamos is a literal human security canary. If he leaves a company without a very good explanation, it's the smoke signal that the security is terrible. Yahoo was the most recent example of this.

    Which is funny, because anyone that hires him risks him tripping that canary rule. Anyone that even possibly might have a skeezy thing going on or risks heavy handed government involvement should be wary of hiring him, but Yahoo and Facebook did, so I guess they weren't that smart...