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YouTube Bans Firearms Demo Videos, Entering the Gun Control Debate (bloomberg.com)

YouTube has quietly introduced tighter restrictions on videos involving weapons, becoming the latest battleground in the U.S. gun-control debate. "YouTube will ban videos that promote or link to websites selling firearms and accessories, including bump stocks, which allow a semi-automatic rifle to fire faster," reports Bloomberg. "Additionally, YouTube said it will prohibit videos with instructions on how to assemble firearms." From the report: "We routinely make updates and adjustments to our enforcement guidelines across all of our policies," a YouTube spokeswoman said in a statement. "While we've long prohibited the sale of firearms, we recently notified creators of updates we will be making around content promoting the sale or manufacture of firearms and their accessories." The National Shooting Sports Foundation, a gun industry lobbying group, called YouTube's new policy "worrisome." "We suspect it will be interpreted to block much more content than the stated goal of firearms and certain accessory sales," the foundation said in a statement. "We see the real potential for the blocking of educational content that serves instructional, skill-building and even safety purposes. Much like Facebook, YouTube now acts as a virtual public square. The exercise of what amounts to censorship, then, can legitimately be viewed as the stifling of commercial free speech."

The new YouTube policies will be enforced starting in April, but at least two video bloggers have already been affected. Spike's Tactical, a firearms company, said in a post on Facebook that it was suspended from YouTube due to "repeated or severe violations" of the video platform's guidelines.

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  1. CatTube by sycodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Won't be long before all they have are cat videos.

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    1. Re:CatTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is probably going to have the opposite effect of what the idiots at Google believe. Where once someone might have turned to a video on YouTube to learn about gun safety, disassembly/assembly, cleaning, etc. they will now attempt it with no knowledge and end up hurting themselves or others. Way to go Google.

      On the positive side, with Google turning YouTube into a children's only web site, it's the perfect opportunity for someone else to end Google's monopoly on user driven video sites.

    2. Re:CatTube by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is probably going to have the opposite effect of what the idiots at Google believe

      Yeah, it will make people look for alternatives to Youtube. Not many at first (I don't think many people look at gun assembly videos), but if they keep banning videos, more and more people will look for alternatives.

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    3. Re: CatTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, we have the URL full30.com. Gun owners are now in full swing fuck you youtube mode. This attitude leftists have will slowly bring Google to its knees. We as gun owners are also promoting duckduckgo for a search engine as well. Basically anything to get away from true facists.

    4. Re:CatTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Anyone who needs to look up a youtube video to learn about gun safety, assembly/disassembly or cleaning should not be handling guns.

    5. Re:CatTube by Q-Hack! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anyone who needs to look up a youtube video to learn about gun safety, assembly/disassembly or cleaning should not be handling guns.

      While I understand your sentiment, I have to call BS. Utilizing a quick internet video to quickly relearn how to field strip a particular weapon is very handy. Especially when one owns many guns that don't get fired very often.

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    6. Re:CatTube by gnick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...there's just no credible alternative yet.

      There's PornHub.

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    7. Re:CatTube by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The thing is....WHY is YouTube banning videos that are showing PERFECTLY LEGAL activities with perfectly legal to own tools? (yes, a gun is nothing more than a tool).

      That's what gets me....

      I can understand them not wanting to allow illegal content, but this stuff is 101% legal to do.

      It is perfectly legal for you to manufacture your own gun.

      It is perfectly legal to modify your weapon in most ways (exception, can't legally modify to full auto)....

      It is legal and actually a good idea to break down, clean and reassemble your weapon.

      So, this is clearly NOTHING more than politically motivated.

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    8. Re: CatTube by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That points to a deficiency in YouTube's system.

      There are plenty of gun related industries that would be more than happy to have their brands advertised on Hickock45, for instance.

      The idiots at Youtube seems to only be able to completely remove advertising from a channel rather than to target it. Strange since Googles targets all the time.

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    9. Re:CatTube by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The thing is....WHY is YouTube banning videos that are showing PERFECTLY LEGAL activities with perfectly legal to own tools? (yes, a gun is nothing more than a tool).

      Youtube is run by a Social Justice Warrior, Susan Wojcicki, and before anyone refutes that, they just need to DDG on her name. And she is sinking her claws deeply into YouTube now.

      That is the WHY? of YouTube's pogrom. She, along with Google's new Social Justice mission, is creating a safe space for those people who cannot handle anything other than their personal opinion.

      They've been targeting firearms, Men's rights, and I wonder if they will shut down the UNiversity of Nottingham's Periodic Table of Videos soon. who knows what things could be made if someone has a knowledge of the elements.

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  2. One sided debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Enters U.S. gun-control debate by censoring. Nice!

    1. Re:One sided debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jesus fucking Christ people. Free speech only keeps the government from impeding your speech. No one else, NO ONE ELSE, has to bear the burden of spreading your speech if they choose not to.

      I sent in all my pro trump articles to the NYT and they wont publish them... CENSORSHIP!!!!1!

    2. Re:One sided debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Shut up and bake the damn cake!

    3. Re:One sided debate by djinn6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Freedom of speech is a concept. It's not the first amendment of the US constitution. If you try to prevent ideas or knowledge from spreading because you disagree with them, then you are against freedom of speech.

    4. Re:One sided debate by diamondmagic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OP said "censoring", which isn't limited to the government.

      The First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech"

      That is, freedom of speech is something that pre-exists the government, and the First Amendment prohibits the government from infringing it.

      The New York Times doesn't claim to be a neutral platform that publishes submissions in general. YouTube does, and allowing something to be uploaded, publishing it, then taking it down later, is censorship.

      Any questions?

    5. Re:One sided debate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So you'll let me paint pictures of a giant cock dripping pus on the sides of your car?

      Lean the difference between between free speech and vandalism you stupid fucking moron.

    6. Re:One sided debate by Dutchmaan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A car is private property, with no right to public access. Youtube is a business and all about public access.

      Please, tell me more about gay wedding cakes...

  3. Fine by BlueStrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Then YouTube can do without my views (or content).

    I know that my dropping YT doesn't matter much, but I won't feel like I'm supporting censorship,even if they have the right on their platform.

    Time also to change my default search engine from Google to something else even if it's not as good.

    Strat

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    1. Re:Fine by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did you also quit Slashdot when they censored the n word?

      I for one was really pissed that they crossed that line. But it's Slashdot's dying days, and I have this stupid nostalgia for what it once was.

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    2. Re:Fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How do you know if a robber is unarmed? Do you ask him? Do you believe his answer? How much time do you spend examining him to determine his offensive capabilities? What about lighting conditions? I can see his face, but not what he's holding in his hands. Do I ask him to step into the light so I can see if he's holding a weapon before I decide whether to fire or not? What if he isn't armed, but he rushes me anyway and he's much bigger than I am? Am I supposed to just hope that he doesn't kill me with his bare hands?

      It's a split-second decision where if you hesitate, and he is armed, you are dead and likely the rest of your family as well. Any judge, court, or law that condemns you for defending yourself or your family in your own home is evil.

  4. That's odd by admin7087 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a run-off-the-mill educated European left-wing liberal and nevertheless occasionally like watching US firearms videos like FPSRussia shooting bazookas at Zombie clown figures. Don't get me wrong, I am for fairly strict gun control and think many US states would fare better with stricter control and better background checks, but I don't quite see the point of that video restriction, to be honest. It does nothing for tighter gun control and I fail to see any beneficial effect of restricting hobby videos and (legal!) sales information. Makes no sense to me.

    1. Re:That's odd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      ... eurotrash countries are turning into third world shitholes and rape capitols. Nice job taking the only means of defending yourself away from the good guys. Typical left wing stupidity

      Defending yourself from what exactly? I'm 58 years old. I've never had to defend myself. Not here in the U.S. Not anywhere in Europe (I think I've been to pretty much every country in western Europe and a few in eastern Europe. I've been in Africa, India, and Japan..Never. Once. Needed. To. Defend. Myself. I think you live in some prolonged fantasy where you think you might be attacked and will be some sort of amazing Clint Eastwood Dirty Harry type who saves himself with amazing feats of marksmanship or something. Amirite?

      And what is this rape capitol thing?

      The only Capitol that I know of is the U.S. Capitol. That's the big building where Congress sits – in Washington D.C. – our capital. Capitol is a proper noun. It's the name of the building. Is there somewhere that is a rape capital? I was kinda thinking that Trump Tower in NYC might be one such rape capital. Or maybe the White House these days?

      Godamn hicks and rubes in the flyover states don't want to be thought of as hicks and rubes, but they keep posting this stupid hick and rube shit.

    2. Re:That's odd by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but by arming everyone you have also armed the bad guys

      First of all, no one seeks to "arm everyone" — as in "hand out weapons to everyone like Universal Basic Income". Simply allow people to carry, what they procure (or already own) themselves. Second, real "bad guys" (pro criminals) are already armed — regardless of whether it is legal or not — just witness Chicago, where guns are so illegal, a museum had to remove a historical rifle from the exposition, but people are shot regularly anyway.

      Third, in many situations the bad guys aren't actually armed — because weapon-ownership requires some level of planning and forethought. Rioting mob is dangerous even when not armed — but an armed defender can put an end to the outrage even without actually shooting anyone.

      And lastly, even when all are armed, the defending party has an advantage against assailants. A homeowner, for example, defending his house against 5 bandits has a chance, if he is armed — even if they are as well. He has no chance without a weapon, even when the attackers have none either.

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    3. Re:That's odd by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Defending yourself from what exactly? I'm 58 years old. I've never had to defend myself. Not here in the U.S. Not anywhere in Europe (I think I've been to pretty much every country in western Europe and a few in eastern Europe. I've been in Africa, India, and Japan..Never. Once. Needed. To. Defend. Myself. I think you live in some prolonged fantasy where you think you might be attacked and will be some sort of amazing Clint Eastwood Dirty Harry type who saves himself with amazing feats of marksmanship or something. Amirite?

      So happy that you've led a sheltered life. You might consider that other people live in other circumstances. I've been robbed, mugged, assaulted by strangers, and generally developed a fine appreciation for defending oneself.

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    4. Re:That's odd by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It normalises and encourages people to own guns. It drives sales of guns, and helps the NRA. It's indirect but it's there.

      You could argue that instructional videos improve gun safety, but are people really using YouTube for safety lessons and given the quality of content on there is that a good thing?

      Right, it does good on multiple axes. But you don't even have the First Amendment, let alone the Second, so we'll understand that you're a bit behind and don't get it yet.

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    5. Re:That's odd by penandpaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gun ownership is a good thing.

      The NRA is only relevant because of shit like what Youtube is doing; attacking reasonable people for no good reason.

      Normalizing censorship is a lot worse than normalizing gun ownership. YouTube and the UK are doing more harm than any gun video.

    6. Re:That's odd by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No one said not to defend yourself. You're just deliberately conflating self-defence with guns. You don't need guns for self-defence.

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    7. Re:That's odd by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're just deliberately conflating self-defence with guns.

      Actually, I think conflating the two is very relevant to the debate. Gun control is strongly favored in cities. Gun ownership is strongly favored in rural areas. I don't think this is a coincidence or due to any of the silly reasons proffered by both sides (that rural people are ignorant hicks, or urban people are sheep). Police response times are shorter in densely packed cities, so urban residents are more comfortable with the idea of calling 911 and waiting for police to show up. Police response times are a lot longer in rural areas, so rural residents will feel more comfortable having some means to defend themselves rather than wait 20-45 minutes for police to arrive.

      You don't need guns for self-defence.

      Other means of defending yourself rely your physical strength exceeding that of an attacker. You have to be able to physically fight off an assailant(s). Guns are an equalizer - they remove physical strength from the equation. They're also fairly effective at equalizing an imbalance in numbers.

  5. Not sure why you brought up free speech by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Itâ(TM)s not a free-speech violation. That doesnâ(TM)t mean itâ(TM)s not censorship.

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  6. Feels like a political statement by bjdevil66 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's as if they're saying, "Let's at least make a political statement on gun control," statement.

    Also, from the tin foil hat department - How far will this go back in Youtube's HQ? While it sounds crazy today, what will the Youtube owners say about working on cars in a decade, when many people are riding around in autonomous cars? What will happen when a "terrorist" uses an old-fashioned car with a steering wheel, gas pedal, and no autobraking system to mow down dozens of people in a random city? Is Youtube going to remove auto mechanic HOWTO videos so we can't modify (or even fix) our own cars? Slippery slope 101.

  7. Google Culture by labnet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google is increasingly made up of left leaning philosophies.

    Their logic is: kids are mass murdering with guns: lets stop teaching them how to use them lest we are complicit.
    The logic is flawed because they really should be asking:
    Why are so many young men so angry at the world that they want to wreak destruction on it. That is the right question, because there are societies with lots of guns (eg switzerland) that don't have young men shooting up schools. Guns are a symptom of a deeper cultural problem.

    The left are trying to divide everyone into social groups that are victims. This doesn't help angry young men and only makes the problem worse especially white ones who are told they are the new scum of the earth.
    The message needs to be: the world is chaos, and your job is to reduce the chaos through sacrifice. Find something in the world that needs fixing, that makes the world a better place, and strive as hard as you can to fix it. Sacrifice means putting off todays gratification for a better future. A surgeon spends 15 years of hard work before he is an expert saving lives and creating order.

    So while I get what youtube is trying to do, I think it will be entirely ineffective.

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  8. Re:Gab tv just went online by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If Gab exists then why isn't that enough? You don't say specifically but your argument seems to be that YouTube is the most popular service so should be forced to publish videos.

    Can you explain why it's so important to be on YouTube and Gab isn't good enough?

    As for the bakery, it's obvious. Sexual orientation is a protected trait, gun enthusiast isn't.

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  9. Business Opportunity. by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I saw that one well-known gun vlogger has started posting his videos on PornHub. If PH plays their cards right, they could launch a site with more general branding "vidhub"? "AnythingGoesTube"? and take a significant chunk of the traffic that YT gets today.

    -jcr

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  10. Stupid, but... by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OK, it's stupid. YouTube is really going to pay dearly for this. Taking any stance on any issue is not what YouTube should be doing. BUT! They're well within their right to shoot themselves in the foot.

    As a side note, opening this can of worms is going to be a complete nightmare for Google. Once you take one stance on one issue, now you're going to be expected take more stances on issues someone feels is critical. Also, now that you've put your card on the table, refusing to take a stance when demanded to will always result in the most negative position being assumed. Sorry about that Google, but you have my sympathy.

    They, we, and everyone would have been much better off if YouTube kept silent and just said, 'We store and redistribute our user's videos, nothing more. Each user is responsible for the content of their videos.'

  11. The Anarchist Cookbook Then vs Gun Videos Now by poity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember supporting the freedom of information even though "the bad guys" might also find it?

    Remember when ISPs and server operators did it we called it censorship just as if the government had done it?

    Remember when geeks showed finesse rather than imposed their will with a hammer?

    Anyone remember?

    Nah?

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  12. Re:Gab tv just went online by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can you explain why it's so important to be on YouTube and Gab isn't good enough?

    Market share. Why were people upset with Microsoft's shenanigans, when Linux was always an option?

    Ha! Not a car analogy for once.

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  13. YouTube exposes net neutrality fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All these big tech companies in the Bay Area throw temper tantrums about net neutrality. They lobby for it and encourage their users to support it and all based on the idea that the non-governmental entities that transport out data (like AT&T, Comcast, Verizon etc) need to be forced, BY GOVERNMENT, to carry all content in the same way. Supporters insist that data packets not be throttled, and certainly not blocked because of their content.

    Then, along comes YouTube and it decides to "virtue signal" by censoring perfectly legal content that is politically unpopular with left wingers.

    Think it's a coincidence that the net neutrality these big tech giants supported did not in any way apply to THEM? These big companies that provide seach index/functions, big data storage, and serve web pages and videos are every bit as important to the users of the internet as the ISPs, and most people need all of these companies in order to get what they want over the net. What good is non-discriminatory data transport if the companies hosting the data and helping people search for and stream the data ARE discriminating?