Slashdot Mirror


CDs, Vinyl Are Outselling Digital Downloads For the First Time Since 2011 (mercurynews.com)

Digital downloads had a short run as the top-selling format in the music industry. It took until 2011, a decade after the original iPod came out, for their sales surpass those of CDs and vinyl records, and they were overtaken by music streaming services just a few years later. Now, digital downloads are once again being outsold by CDs and vinyl, according to the Recording Industry Association of America. From a report: The RIAA released its 2017 year-end revenue report on Thursday, showing that revenue from digital downloads plummeted 25 percent to $1.3 billion over the previous year. Revenue from physical products, by contrast, fell just 4 percent to $1.5 billion. Overall, the music industry grew for a second year straight. And with $8.7 billion in total revenue, it's healthier than it has been since 2008, according to the report. Nearly all of the growth was the result of the continued surge in paid music subscription services like Spotify and Apple Music. Those services grew by more than 50 percent to $5.7 billion last year and accounted for nearly two-thirds of the industry's revenue. Physical media accounted for 17 percent, while digital downloads made up just 15 percent.

20 of 136 comments (clear)

  1. Amazon autorip by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been buying CDs and never opening them when the CD version is cheaper or the same price as than the streaming version due to Amazon offering "AutoRip" on many CDs.

    --
    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    1. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Kids are using YouTube to listen to music, they don't buy music anymore.

    2. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's cheaper just to rip them from YouTube. It's not like digital is less popular. You can't count this sort of thing just by sales, lol.

    3. Re:Amazon autorip by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's cheaper just to rip them from YouTube. It's not like digital is less popular. You can't count this sort of thing just by sales, lol.

      Geez...does NO one care about fidelity at all anymore?!?!?

      Or, is that most modern music is so badly composed, performed and so compressed, that it isn't worth it to buy a good copy and play it on a really nice stereo system?

      --
      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    4. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course he is. Welcome to Slashdot. Let me give you some points of how things run around here:

      • It's not piracy. It's copyright infringement. Because, heaven forbid we use a term with negative emotional connotations to call out user's piracy.
      • Piracy is not stealing, because it doesn't deprive the record store of the CD which they can sell to someone else. It doesn't matter, in Slashdot-think, whether we deprive the content creator money for their hard work.
      • Content creators have an intrinsic desire to create content and don't care if they don't get paid. They, like Slashdot posters arguing this nonsense, live in their basements with their mommys and have no expenses (no mortgages, no food bills, no utility bills, etc.).
      • Piracy Copyright infringement actually increases sales, because everyone who gets a pirate copy immediately goes out and buys a legal copy once they decide they have properly "tried" the content.
      • The reason why music sales declined once Napster and other file sharing sites took off is because the quality of music went down so much, people just decided to stop buying music. It has nothing to do with the ease of stealing music which the sharing sites enabled.
      • Musicians did not get paid for recording music for centuries before it was possible to buy a record, so it's OK if musicians don't get paid because people steal share copies of their music.
    5. Re:Amazon autorip by OrangeTide · · Score: 5, Funny

      As long as I can drink rum and have a parrot, I don't care what you call it.

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    6. Re:Amazon autorip by VernonNemitz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Owning legal copies of music is cheaper in the long run than paying over and over again for streaming it. And one debacle after another, in the digital-music-storage industry, has made it clear that that type of ownership is not as trustworthy as owning hard copies like CDs or vinyl.

    7. Re:Amazon autorip by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      Beyond a certain point, no, nobody cares, because you really can't hear the difference. I've listened to FM radio since I was 12 years old (and still do, and that's a long time now); if it's at least that good, then I'm happy enough.
      That one time I was streaming 128kbps MP3's over stereo Bluetooth, however? That sounded awful, because BT uses it's own compression, on top of what the source is compressed with. Won't do that again.

    8. Re:Amazon autorip by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2

      Owning legal copies of music is cheaper in the long run than paying over and over again for streaming it. .

      It is?

      Buying one CD a month cost more than what I pay for streaming each month. And who bought just one per month?

      To each their own - I prefer to pay a nominal fee and have a giant catalog at my fingertips, that I don't need to worry about storing, backing up, converting, dusting off, agonizing about whether I want it anymore or to throw it away, etc.

      I've been through having to switch services (miss you MOG, sniff) and yeah, I had to build new playlists, etc. but it wasn't a big deal for me.

      I can understand why some people want to own it. But to each their own. Streaming works for me.

    9. Re:Amazon autorip by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What do you mean "any more"? The fidelity of a song downloaded from Youtube is much, much, better than a stereo tape recording of a clear, strong, FM radio broadcast, and probably better than a vinyl record too

      It might not be as good as CDs, let alone DVD Audio or SACDs, but it's a hell of an improvement on what we had in the past.

      --
      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    10. Re:Amazon autorip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bored enough to refute this

      -Piracy implies personal profit from infringing material, which 99% of "pirates" do not do
      -Record stores don't create content, the artists create content, and there are a myriad of ways to support them without middlemen
      -Content creators, outside of the independent scene, are paid by publishers/labels before their content is released, and even then they only receive a small percentage after the record store/label takes their cuts
      -There have been multiple studies proving piracy does increase sales by providing advertising or allowing people who were otherwise not interested in paying full market price to get a taste of the content in question
      -Music in the late 90s/early 00s was indeed pretty shitty, with the rise of nu-metal and oversaturation of grunge rock
      -Musicians were paid before recording was possible, either as buskers, troubadors, orchestral players or as personal musicians to the elite rich folk, also see my third point

      Piracy exists because current solutions do not provide sufficient competition. Gabe Newell went on the record saying as much, and worked on Steam to develop it as a more convenient and useful alternative to the rampant piracy of PC games. Considering he's now worth billions without being in a publicly traded company, it would behoove the recording industry to take a lesson from his example and figure out how to make music purchasing more convenient/value-added to consumers rather than using draconian practices that drive people to pirate in the first place.

    11. Re:Amazon autorip by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      I wish you the best of luck finding all of the old jazz albums on streaming.

      I wish you the best of luck finding all of the old jazz albums on streaming.

      You're way off-base. They're on Spotify. DigitalDust's Rudy Van Gelder playlist is 500 tracks long and that's just the Rudy Van Gelder Editions. jazzwhat has a playlist of records on the Impulse label from the 60s and 70s that goes 2,364 tracks deep. That's just one label.

      There are jazz records on Spotify that aren't even in print any more so you can't buy them on CD or vinyl at any price. European and Japanese editions that would cost over $100 to buy on Amazon. Two of those would cover my entire Spotify subscription for a year. Two records.

      Even if you were talking about pre-1930s jazz records, there are lots and lots of them on Spotify (or Google Music, which has about the same catalog). Do you think you could find more by digging for 78s at garage sales?

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
  2. stupid title by iggymanz · · Score: 2

    66% is music services

    the fact that downloads are separate and of the same order as CD or Vinyl is rather irrelevant, the main way of getting music is through the internet and physical media is dying.

  3. Re:I can't imagine this is good by iggymanz · · Score: 2

    read the summary again, music services are exploding, taking away share from physical and "downloads"

  4. I feel so bad for your $8.7B revenue by adosch · · Score: 2

    Boo hoo, RIAA. So, it hasn't been even this high since 2008? And streaming/downloads only makes up $1.3B of that? Unreal. It's a mere 1/8th of your total revenue stream. That's not news, it's just bragging that your portfolio shifted around and you're making more, but in different areas. If I had to guess, I'd fall into the same thought processes as others and say it's the Amazon-like approach of selling an 'pre-ripped' album that also comes with the tangible CD/Vinyl, too, albeit for a slight markup more --- and it makes sense for some because you get it encoded for none of your time and it's instant use. Then your second surprise shows up in the mail a few days later you never open and shelf as a nostalgic backup.

    This is like the NFL complaining about how 'viewership' is down this here for baseless excuses and is really impacting their product, but still manage to increase their entire network every year.

    I'm surprised to see that "CD/Vinyl" is the excuse vs. pirating. Never see a witch-hunt for that as long as it's making you something.

  5. Re:I can't imagine this is good by mysidia · · Score: 2

    So for $120/Year you can play all the music you want.... The average CD cost about $10, so that's like buying 12 CDs a year....... However, MOST people listen to a few dozen artists or a few songs they'll want to listen to over and over again, and before the advent of streaming services might have purchased 2 or 3 CDs per year.... ~$20 or $30/Year in music tops.

    So let me get this straight... the avg. subscriber will now pay 6 TIMES as much per year to listen to probably roughly the same amount of music, AND better yet.... after the year is over, you don't own anything for having subscribed, so next year you gotta pay again to listen to the same music.

    The music companies should be THRILLED by this model. All they have to do is raise CD prices even more to ensure they become less popular and get a tighter lockdown on "higher fidelity versions" they can upsell later, then make sure they eventually get an 80% or 90% cut on all subscription services, and keep renegotiating royalty rates a few % higher every year to provide growth.

  6. Re:Misinformation as usual from the RIAA by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'Streaming' is shit. Why can't you all see that the Corporate world is trying to move everything in our lives to a 'rental' model? Do you really want to live in a world where you can't own anything yourself? Rich get richer, poor get poorer.

  7. Real actual data by daver!west!fmc · · Score: 2

    TFA is at the Mercury News web site, and credits Derek Hawkins at the Washington Post. But TFA says its source is a Medium post by the RIAA's Cary Sherman, and sure enough if you go to the RIAA's web site you can find a post with a link to the Medium post as well as to the RIAA's actual report: https://www.riaa.com/riaa-rele...

    ProTip for submitters and editors: if TFA has a source, the source may well be on the web too, and may have real actual data.

  8. Always buy LPs or CDs by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Look, I support the artists, not the music industry.

    I buy my LPs and CDs (and DVDs) direct from the artists at performances, where they get 50 percent of the take, not via Amazon or some digital intermediary who takes 99 percent of the cash and maybe, if they feel like it, gives the artists less than 1 percent.

    Oh, check out Giants in the Trees and Golden Gardens, they are excellent!

    I'll be buying more at performances like UpStream this summer.

    --
    -- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
  9. Re:Misinformation as usual from the RIAA by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

    That's nice. And if the 'service' goes out of business, or there is some sort of Rights dispute with the content creator -- or your 'service' just decides that you don't have anything anymore, even if you paid for it -- then it's gone, and there's not a damned thing you can do about it. Also, enjoy knowing that ALL of your reading, listening, and viewing habits are now logged and surveiled: they know what you're doing, when you're doing it, and for how long. How does that make you feel, Hal? Loved? Or creeped out? When you own your own media, it's yours; someone would have to come to your house and physically take it from you. When you read a book, or watch a DVD/Bluray, or listen to a CD, it's nobody's business that you're doing that, and your privacy is intact. That's why owning physical copies of things is superior: they can't take it from you (or alter it after you buy it), and you use your media in privacy, and nobody has the right to know what you're reading/hearing/viewing.

    ..oh, and before you go off on a rant about how you think 'privacy doesn't matter', or 'I'm not doing anything wrong so I have nothing to fear', or 'people who want privacy must have something to hide', or 'people who think their privacy is being invaded are paranoid', or anything like that? I have no respect whatsoever for people who think that way, I think they're stupid to the extreme, and are giving away something that is beyond price, for free, to people and corporations and governments who do NOT have your best interests at heart, and I have no interest in having a conversation with people like that -- so if you're one of those, don't bother responding, I don't want to talk to you.